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« on: April 04, 2008, 09:27:19 AM »

Protect your children today, warn them about the Secret Societies now, before it's too late. The Masons badly want to mind-control as many kids as possible to protect their power and control. Freemasonry is a dangerous criminal cult, network, organisation.

They will tell your kids it's all good when in fact it is the opposite. Your kids will become Masonic drones/slaves and they in turn will destroy your whole family and society with it. How can one person talk to another, knowing this evil is out there ?

People don't realise that Freemasonry is also Mormons, Opus Dei, Jehovah's Witnesses, Common Purpose, Round Table, Speculative Society, Knights of St. Columba, Rotarians, Shriners, Co-Masons, Eastern Star (female masons), etc.

Do not listen to one word from a Mason's mouth. They can only repeat or defend their brainwash, they are told nothing else. They are also sworn to protect each other. They have been dehumanised and will only listen to their twisted Masonic Controllers.

The Freekmasons use hundreds of different names worldwide to confuse and deceive. We have challenged them all over the Net (13 months ago) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, filmed audience and they have refused, because it's all true.

Checkout  www.secondfamily-uk.com   www.ljpr.info   www.henrymakow.com   www.rense.com    www.ivanfraser.com
Far too many to list here, just follow the links and read the truth for yourselves. Your future depends on this knowledge.

Our advice to all members of this criminal organisation is to leave today, modern technology will expose and incriminate "YOU".

Contact your local politician or media, this has to be banned immediately.  Please forward this to everyone you care about. ASAP
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 09:37:01 PM »

Joe, I have seen many of your posts and also viewed the website you setup.  I have never been or will be a Freemason.  After finding out about 911 = inside job and having studied secret societies for over 6 years now I tend to agree with your viewpoint.  Alex has talked about them many times on his show and says that at the highest degrees they are Luciferian, and that there are degrees above 33, (360) which I find absoultely fascinating.  Much of our society in the US and UK have been shaped by them such as language, architecture, government, etc., it appears.  On your site you have accounts of Freemason abuse perpetrated against you and others in the UK and I am just curious what kind of abuse you have suffered personally.  Were you abused by them as a child?  Do they do satanic type sacrifices inside their temples?  Please tell me more.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 09:46:03 PM »

If this isn't class "A" trolling with more than one acting in unison, I don't know what is.

This will be a perfect example for people to see how it works.

Now you are spouting off about Masons and right from the get go we get words like:

Protect your children today, warn them about the Secret Societies now, before it's too late.

I am just reading between the lines.  Actually I don't even have to do that "Joe".  We have nearly all at one time or another on this board discussed the evil implications of the Masonic Order (with secrets that have permeated our world with a nefarious and hidden agenda).  But we generally don't indite ALL MASONS.  Most are just illiterate as to the truth of what they are involved in.

It would seem that what you are attempting to do is make those with genuine concerns about Masonry look like baffoons, while you run around spraying bullets in the form of words without precision or aim, targeting the entire population of this organization without care for the unweary participant.  Murdering the innocent bystander will hardly get you kudos from the likes of myself and others here.


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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 09:50:27 PM »

There must be a Troll spawn near by.  Maybe a brigde or something.  This forum is starting to fill up.


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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 01:21:42 AM »

OK, PX, we have been asking for two years for just ONE good mason to come and talk to our victims group, without reply.

What advice can you offer victims ?

Brian from www.secondfamily-uk.com
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 05:11:13 AM »

A Comprehensive Listing of Masonic "Divert the Discourse" Gambits

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/masonicdisinformation.html

    *  1.  Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure or Lodge official. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

    *  2.  Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit.

    *  3.  Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such "arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact.

    *  4.  Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

    *  5.  Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    *  6.  Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to -the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

    *  7.   Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

    *  8.  Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough "jargon" and "minutiae" to illustrate you are "one who knows", and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

    *  9.   Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

    *  10.   Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

    *  11.  Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the "high road" and "confess" with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, "just isn't so." Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for "coming clean" and "owning up" to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

    *  12.   Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

    *  13.   Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

    *  14.  Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

    *  15.  Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

    *  16.   Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

    *  17.  Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

    *  18.  Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how "sensitive they are to criticism".

    *  19.   Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

    *  20.  False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

    *  21.  Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed.

    *  22.  Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

    *  23.   Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

    *  24.  Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.

    *  25.   Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 11:41:48 PM »

It would seriously be hard to garner support against freemasonry because most people are only aware of the lower levels of masonry can, almost rightfully, be called an old man's drinking club.  To really give anyone a grasp of what masonry is all about is to trace it back through time, and explain the links of the group to the things they were accomplishing or attempting to accomplish in each time.

I don't know about you, but you always find that either someone has been 'awakened' or they are in such a deep sleep that to have an in depth discussion typically meets a blank expression, and won't grasp that you are actually talking about something REAL.

If there was a way to get that into people's heads I'd like to hear it?
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 07:18:34 AM »

A post warning about Masons being bad is trolling? Huh

Only an idiot with no common sense would lump all Masons into one big bad group of people to say they are all alike. Normal people understand that not all Masons have an evil heart, and in fact are misguided and misled. The same goes for any group of any size. The bulk of the group never really knows the inner secrets of the group. Only a small number of high ranking members ever know what the group is really up to. Most members are clueless, thus they are called "secret". Duh! That applies to any group, even groups like this in the truth movement.

The main problem I have ever had with this forum is the "troll patrol", running around this place like a bunch of post nazis! For a site that espouses free speech and individual freedoms, there sure is a lot of narrow-minded individuals that make every effort to squash other people's opinions simply because they don't agree. Countless individuals have been banned from here for being "trolls", which is another way of saying "censorship".

To call someone a troll is nothing more than saying a person is not allowed to speak their mind unless it fits the groupthink mentality, and that only the admins of this forum are the ones that have the ability to seperate quality info from mindless ramblings and misinformation. It's the typical "caretaker" mentality of socialism; the lie that a select group knows whats best for the masses.

To say trolls must be stopped is to suggest people don't have the ability to understand what they are reading on their own, that they must have certain people tell them what they are reading. What a joke! Roll Eyes

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 09:37:43 AM »

Only an idiot with no common sense would lump all Masons into one big bad group of people to say they are all alike.
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"Do not listen to one word from a Mason's mouth. They can only repeat or defend their brainwash, they are told nothing else. They are also sworn to protect each other. They have been dehumanised and will only listen to their twisted Masonic Controllers."


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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 10:13:35 AM »

 Roll Eyes I rest my case.

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2008, 10:33:13 AM »

So I guess that qualifies you as the "idiot patrol" right Lefty?


LOL!


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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 10:46:29 AM »

You know what X, in the name of not stirring things up, I decided it better to leave this dialog alone, seeing there was contention starting, so I said I rest my case, as in I'm done with this subject, and yet you just couldn't leave it alone could you? You just had to throw out there one more smart ass comment.

What are you, 3 years old? All your doing is baiting the argument you want to start. Grow up.
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2008, 10:36:20 PM »

So, I guess I'm still curious to here from someone that knows something about the masons.  Can someone tell me more about high level masonry?  Do they really pledge allegience to Lucifer or what? I have seen te quotes from Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall etc. and just would like to know more about this secret society, since they seem to weild a lot of power.  Anyone know of degrees above 33?  What is it all about really?  Why would you devote so much time to reenact plays of ancient dietys and such, what is the point?  I just want more understanding about this organization as they seem very NWOish and Alex has talked about them many times also mentioning worship of a black dragon once, as well as at a certain point in degrees above 33 you must become a "principality" to progress higher, which requires not being in human form anymore.  Maybe you guys can stop calling each other trolls for once and actually have a discussion? 
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2008, 10:39:11 PM »

Also, Joe Stirling can you read my original post and please respond to it rather than just responding to someone attacking you?  I am just looking for information as you may know some things I haven't already learned.  Thanks
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 06:33:14 AM »

To all the mind-controlled masons

We at www.secondfamily-uk.com are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence.

We want transparency when we show the world our evidence. We want it done live in front of a filmed independent audience. Any takers ? We can't take this to the totally masonic infested systems in place.

This is why the Freekmasons always shout their mouths off as they hide behind the curtains.
This is why their masonic masters are praying that their ship holds water, no chance.

Why don't the big activists like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, David Icke, etc at least talk to us to find a way forward. We can bring this criminal organisation down, no problem.

There is no fabrication on our part and definitely not about money.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 05:35:05 PM »

Regarding Freemasons.

This is the folly of most people that run for offices and stuff. You ask them directly about freemasonry, and they avoid saying anything ill about it, even though you can see it that they know...

This brings me to something I remember from when Dan Quayle visited a college up here a good number of years ago. I asked him DIRECTLY what he was going to do to stop the New World Order. I had it on tape, and I WISH I still had it. I am going to try my best to track it down, but he said something to the effect of, "I can't talk about that, or I will get shot," and he laughed in a phony manner. I remember being there, and I remember asking him, and I remember the look on his face, but I can't remember anymore his exact words, but he did mention getting shot.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2008, 09:04:47 PM »

That's why it pisses me off when trying to talk about freemasonry, and all I get is 'freemasonry is cool'.... which it probly is cause for the lower levels that's all it is is just a bunch of drinking buddies, and probly the feeling of power being on the 'in'... even being at the bottom of another pyramid.

I've read how the majority of masons, aren't even aware of anything beyond the 3rd degree... and with these guys being the majority under the same 'elites', it'd almost be wrong (IMO) to say that freemasonry is 'Bad'....

The legitimate question that was raised when I tried telling others of some of the evils of that secret society was  : "If they are really that secretive, how do you find out about all of this, and how do you know who all are masons and what level mason they are?" I had no concrete answer for that one.

To Joe : I agree this has gone beyond money, I was informed to pay attention for masonic imagery and you'll spot them and the organisaations they control, etc.  I mean really at this point they own government, the print the money, they make the laws, we consume mostly their products, watch mostly their movies, and (I assume) play mostly their video games.

Seriously, the elites within freemasonry (and/or other secret societies) have so thoroghly corrupted the system that we may as well scrap the entire system and restart from scratch.  Like quietly annexing a discrete section of the country and just living off the land while the rest of the world carries on tearing itself apart. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2008, 09:20:24 PM »

Do your own research everybody, don't just believe anything you hear!
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2008, 11:00:45 PM »

Ya, that's why I was asking... I mean, how much research can you really do short of signing up and then be bound to secrecy for what you find out?
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2008, 08:28:47 AM »

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People don't realise that Freemasonry is also Mormons, Opus Dei, Jehovah's Witnesses, Common Purpose, Round Table, Speculative Society, Knights of St. Columba, Rotarians, Shriners, Co-Masons, Eastern Star (female masons), etc.
Huh  I have a question Mr Stirling do these youth involved have a kind of  modern primative look eg tats all over the body tribal studs in their ears ancient egyptian(eg ankhs) and buddhist tats  in various body parts?Do they pride themselves on group orgies and constanly post on dating sites  looking for couples to participate in their orgies. Huh The reason for the questions if the answer is yes I have come across such youth and adults. Only serious responses appreciated any provocateurs i wont waste time on youve been warned.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2008, 03:19:32 AM »

A Comprehensive Listing of Masonic "Divert the Discourse" Gambits

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/masonicdisinformation.html

    *  1.  Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure or Lodge official. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

    *  2.  Become incredulous and indignant. Etc. http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm

Genuine thanks for this AMD. really appreciated and exactly what all Freekmason's victims go through 24/7/365.

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2008, 07:40:36 AM »

What the hell, Patriot? You all hopped up on coffee again? C'mon, be nice!

...moving right along, officer...

Joe, I appreciate the warning, but wanted to put something minor out there - you would know that many low-level 'masons wouldn't call the rite a 'criminal organisation' so warning them of that sounds strange... Wouldn't that just compromise people's opinion of your study, to say that?

Perhaps it would pay to elaborate and say something like "...we know that your organisation, Freemasonry, is about creating privelage and power illegitimately. We know that it exists to provide power to people that are simply willing to sell their souls to others who are the same ('Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit'). We know that it wields great power over the planet, and we know that it seeks to serve its' own ends. We know that it is not a democratic group. And we will expose it for all that it is."

Because the average 'mason does not see it as being a criminal society. When you think of a fraternity, you do not think of it as a criminal organisation. These groups are, however, havens for criminals. If you are a criminal, and a 'mason, and the policeman arresting you is a 'mason, you stand a good chance of getting off the hook. If you are a student, and you are a fraternity brother; and your dean and campus security are members of the same fraternity; you stand a decent chance of having your run of the campus.

These organisations are not intrinsically criminal, but they do aid criminals and are therefore inherently evil. They do deify evil and are therefore themselves evil. They do oppose humanity and are therefore evil. Is 'evil' a better word to use (with explanation) than 'criminal'?
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2008, 06:42:10 PM »

Protect your children today, warn them about the Secret Societies now, before it's too late. The Masons badly want to mind-control as many kids as possible to protect their power and control. Freemasonry is a dangerous criminal cult, network, organisation.

They will tell your kids it's all good when in fact it is the opposite. Your kids will become Masonic drones/slaves and they in turn will destroy your whole family and society with it. How can one person talk to another, knowing this evil is out there ?

People don't realise that Freemasonry is also Mormons, Opus Dei, Jehovah's Witnesses, Common Purpose, Round Table, Speculative Society, Knights of St. Columba, Rotarians, Shriners, Co-Masons, Eastern Star (female masons), etc.

Do not listen to one word from a Mason's mouth. They can only repeat or defend their brainwash, they are told nothing else. They are also sworn to protect each other. They have been dehumanised and will only listen to their twisted Masonic Controllers.

The Freekmasons use hundreds of different names worldwide to confuse and deceive. We have challenged them all over the Net (13 months ago) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, filmed audience and they have refused, because it's all true.

Checkout  www.secondfamily-uk.com   www.ljpr.info   www.henrymakow.com   www.rense.com    www.ivanfraser.com
Far too many to list here, just follow the links and read the truth for yourselves. Your future depends on this knowledge.

Our advice to all members of this criminal organisation is to leave today, modern technology will expose and incriminate "YOU".

Contact your local politician or media, this has to be banned immediately.  Please forward this to everyone you care about. ASAP
  welcome to the fighting joe.     sorry about some of the attacks we get a bit feed up with the trolls and like to be the first to call em out. Tongue   some just attack to test your metal and resolve most run away with the tail tween the leggs thing.i for one i'am glad to see you hear as we can use all the fighters we can get.i agree the masons are evil from the ground floor up.what kind of assinine control/power freak joins a devil cult like the masons Huh   many.
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 04:41:29 AM »

I found this refutation on FSTDT. I think it applies here.

The Masons badly want to mind-control as many kids as possible to protect their power and control.
That's why they only take adult men, and you have to be voted in unanimously.

Your kids will become Masonic drones/slaves and they in turn will destroy your whole family and society with it. How can one person talk to another, knowing this evil is out there
I know a few Masons, very nice people who do a lot of good in their society. Again, no children.

Freemasonry is also Mormons, Opus Dei, Jehovah's Witnesses, Common Purpose, Round Table, Speculative Society, Knights of St. Columba, Rotarians, Shriners, Co-Masons, Eastern Star (female masons), etc
You missed the Oddfellows, Moose, Elk, Eagles, Skulls, Foresters, Grotto, Illuminati, Orangemen, etc. (yes I know they're not all masonary, but neither is his list).

We have challenged them all over the Net (13 months ago) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, filmed audience and they have refused, because it's all true.
Or because they think you're a raving loon. Also it's a 'secret' society, they're not supposed to talk about it all over the internet. Especially to someone who's out to mock and discredit them.

Our advice to all members of this criminal organisation is to leave today, modern technology will expose and incriminate "YOU".
But if they're so powerful, isn't it better to be on the winning side?

Contact your local politician or media, this has to be banned immediately.
And how many politicians and media people do you think belong to a 'society'?

Also, um...

People don't realise that Freemasonry is also Mormons, Opus Dei, Jehovah's Witnesses, Common Purpose, Round Table, Speculative Society, Knights of St. Columba, Rotarians, Shriners, Co-Masons, Eastern Star (female masons), etc.

It's interesting that you're lumping in Masons with other organizations that have been demonized for being "secret".

Can I have some of what you're smoking, so I can STAY AWAY from it?
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 04:52:19 AM »

<I>People don't realise that Freemasonry is also Mormons, Opus Dei, Jehovah's Witnesses, Common Purpose, Round Table, Speculative Society, Knights of St. Columba, Rotarians, Shriners, Co-Masons, Eastern Star (female masons), etc.</I>

It's interesting that you're lumping in Masons with other organizations that have been demonized for being "secret".

Can I have some of what you're smoking, so I can STAY AWAY from it?

That bit was added by me, btw.
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 05:26:16 AM »


It's interesting that you're lumping in Masons with other organizations that have been demonized for being "secret".


masons give an invitation only policy to join. some society's are not so secret and they require a 'due', in comparison to payed-entry cubs; the masons have an invitation-only on elitist principals.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 05:33:25 AM »

Joe Stirling, why don't you just lump the whole world into Masons? No doubt everyone of us has a distant relative that use to be Mason. What you need to remember is that in the early 1800's there were different sects of Masons. Some good, some not so good. Kind of like religions these days. There were many very honourable men who were involved with the Masons. Yes I agree that many at the very top were corrupt/wicked whatever you want to call them. But there were also high order Mason's involved with the better sects that weren't corrupt.

Just because founders or their families of different religions/groups were involved in Masons back then, doesn't make their congregations Masonic, or illuminati controlled.

If you want to look at history, look at the murders evolutionist/Darwinist have committed against different cultures because they classed them as animals or less intelligent humans. I also agree some leaders of different religions have also done the same eg. Constantine who founded the Catholics. But I am beginning to think that we can't blame the belief or the religions. You have to blame human nature and their personal pride who use the religion as an excuse.
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2008, 06:20:27 AM »

If this isn't class "A" trolling with more than one acting in unison, I don't know what is.

This will be a perfect example for people to see how it works.

thanks, I had no idea it was this bad. Is there any way of tracing the ips?
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2008, 09:35:25 AM »

thanks, I had no idea it was this bad. Is there any way of tracing the ips?

IP Addresses are logged whenever you submit a post, and they can be reviewed by administrators.

If they were an issue I'm sure the moderators would be able to handle it.
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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2008, 11:23:55 AM »

Joe is a great example of trollism...when you add jrh90210 to the mix, you have a great example of Tag-Team-Trolling...

To all the mind-controlled masons

We at www.secondfamily-uk.com are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence.

We want transparency when we show the world our evidence. We want it done live in front of a filmed independent audience. Any takers ? We can't take this to the totally masonic infested systems in place.

This is why the Freekmasons always shout their mouths off as they hide behind the curtains.
This is why their masonic masters are praying that their ship holds water, no chance.

Why don't the big activists like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, David Icke, etc at least talk to us to find a way forward. We can bring this criminal organisation down, no problem.

There is no fabrication on our part and definitely not about money.

To all the mind-controlled masons

We at www.secondfamily-uk.com are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence.

We want transparency when we show the world our evidence. We want it done live in front of a filmed independent audience. Any takers ? We can't take this to the totally masonic infested systems in place.

This is why the Freekmasons always shout their mouths off as they hide behind the curtains.
This is why their masonic masters are praying that their ship holds water, no chance.

Why don't the big activists like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, David Icke, etc at least talk to us to find a way forward. We can bring this criminal organisation down, no problem.

There is no fabrication on our part and definitely not about money.

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On the other thread this post proves Joe to be a liar because in his first post he says...

The real people in this world, H.Makow, A Jones, David Icke, K.Adachi, Ray Dickenson, Tony Gosling, Ivan Fraser, Dr. Les Dove, Jeff Rense, LJPR, SACL, (far too many to list here) etc, have already checked us out.  SF is transparent.
Why don't the big activists like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, David Icke, etc at least talk to us to find a way forward. We can bring this criminal organisation down, no problem.

Alex, Jeff and David checked them out and, apparently, found SF so ridiculous that they never bothered to reply...
The name of that thread, which Joe started, is "Can This Forum Be Trusted?". 

Question is...."Can YOU be trusted"?

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Another similarity between the two threads is that jrh pops up to support Stirling and insinuate that the forum is full of untrustworthy people...

This thread...

Huh  I have a question Mr Stirling do these youth involved have a kind of  modern primative look eg tats all over the body tribal studs in their ears ancient egyptian(eg ankhs) and buddhist tats  in various body parts?Do they pride themselves on group orgies and constanly post on dating sites  looking for couples to participate in their orgies. Huh The reason for the questions if the answer is yes I have come across such youth and adults. Only serious responses appreciated any provocateurs i wont waste time on youve been warned.
(This provocateur doesn't want to waste his time talking to other provocateurs...besides he already has his halfwit sidekick)

The other thread...

Huh Well Joe  I can say one thing with certainty about this forum and that is that senior posters here seem to dominate the place and have self proclaimed themselves a kind of elite. They feel so conceited they think no one new has the right to post here with any authority on subjects except for them thus they do not want to learn and have turned conceited and inwards. I have news for guys you dont know everything and personally I have been studying esoterica and illumin conspiracy long before i started posting in these forums so the amount of posts you have to your name here means diddly squat to me!.One more difference i noticed i seem to have alot less time on my hands for posting here some people seem to mysterously have an awful lot. Huh

(A)Its easy for the regular posters to mob the new posters and call them all  trolls etc  however much harder for the new posters to do anything when bunch of paranoid regulars jump on everthing as a troll blah blah like I said elitist conceited behaviour.
(B)Personally i find illumin conspiracy researcher like canadian Henry Makow much more balanced than either Alex Jones or David Icke anyday and better educated as well!
(C)I was visiting savemales.com and posting on his forums long before i came here. Huh

(A)They call you a troll because you act like one...

(B)Makow is a disinfo agent who believes in the "homosexual agenda"...he has sent many a homophobe chasing after the wrong enemy.

(C)This is yet another elitist statement on your part...you know more than anybody...that's why you love Henry Makow and his three little letters...phd. 

"I have noticed that the people here are mis-informed, unemployed, elitists who worship a man half as smart as Henry Makow...but, I still post here because I like the smell..."   Roll Eyes

These two are a couple of trolls.  They are playing a version of good cop/bad cop...the troll version is Looney Tunes and Pompous Ass.  They go around making the forum look both ridiculous(i.e. The masons are behind everything!!) and also full of insincere and elitist windbags(jrh90210 is talented because he accuses members of being elitists, while simultaneously proving himself correct).

They may not be here together...but they are helping each other for the same purpose...to convince people to not listen to what they hear on this forum.  It's a classic tag-team disinfo campaign.

jrh Condems our members for being elitists...at the same time he is acting like an elitist, conceited, know it all.  The message he puts forth is..."They are all elitists, but so am I...so, why don't you go somewhere else."

Also, you should visit Joe Stirling's website and check out his awesome understanding of the English language.  I know what Alex would say about both of these guys...

"Your mothers didn't breast feed you..."

jrh is correct...this forum is infested with a bunch of elitist and rude punks.

Him and Joe are prime examples of that fact.



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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2008, 11:26:49 AM »

I hate to break it too you guys, but unless your talking about the very top of the freemason's pyramid, most freemasons are not evil, if they were don't you think SOMEBODY within the millions worldwide would break the silence?
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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2008, 11:36:45 AM »

I hate to break it too you guys, but unless your talking about the very top of the freemason's pyramid, most freemasons are not evil, if they were don't you think SOMEBODY within the millions worldwide would break the silence?

LOL the mayor needs his grass cut. sorry to break it to you but they are guilty, maybe they only hire mexicans to support the economy.

defend those bankers huh? must lover your towers to BABEL.
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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2008, 01:02:09 PM »

I know people who are masons buddy, and their not evil, put quite simply.  You need to wake up and not just believe every conspiracy theory out there.  Do you really think OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP THE FREEMASONS, SOME BODY WOULDN'T SPEAK OUT?
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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2008, 02:41:01 PM »

OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP THE FREEMASONS, SOME BODY WOULDN'T SPEAK OUT?

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http://mexfiles.wordpress.com/category/politica-mexicana/masonic-conspiracy-theories/

Anyway where are the shriners for stopping child death or a foreign legion for stopping war. sorry to say it but the people your buddy masons, if are masons and procrastinating at the stoop why the f**k they become masons? maybe its to make a buck but it does not matter, what does is oh no there are these good "secret society"(mas) opposed to "communal society"(columba). You, i must say are defending a group that eats off different plates then the general public. they enjoy the conspiracy of silence, i dont care if your friends with cops, masons, catholics or jews. what i do care about is how stupid people like to use the tin=straw man "one bad apple doesnt spoil the bunch" well if you ask me what can you expect from individuals who profess indignant equality but follow with blinders. looks like just another bunch of slaves who believe they own their masters, and why join to stand on the stoop?

Maybe masons think they do no harm, just as all people have inherent wrongs, its equally ignorant to bash felipe calderon buch mahmoud etc. but
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not the right thing. in the megalithic cannibalistic system you say that im wrong, but im just looking after MY economic position.

yes they know they are funding A future conflict on the american continent. keep telling me to be content, i know.
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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2008, 03:18:21 PM »

A post warning about Masons being bad is trolling? Huh

Only an idiot with no common sense would lump all Masons into one big bad group of people to say they are all alike. Normal people understand that not all Masons have an evil heart, and in fact are misguided and misled. The same goes for any group of any size. The bulk of the group never really knows the inner secrets of the group. Only a small number of high ranking members ever know what the group is really up to. Most members are clueless, thus they are called "secret". Duh! That applies to any group, even groups like this in the truth movement.

The main problem I have ever had with this forum is the "troll patrol", running around this place like a bunch of post nazis! For a site that espouses free speech and individual freedoms, there sure is a lot of narrow-minded individuals that make every effort to squash other people's opinions simply because they don't agree. Countless individuals have been banned from here for being "trolls", which is another way of saying "censorship".

To call someone a troll is nothing more than saying a person is not allowed to speak their mind unless it fits the groupthink mentality, and that only the admins of this forum are the ones that have the ability to seperate quality info from mindless ramblings and misinformation. It's the typical "caretaker" mentality of socialism; the lie that a select group knows whats best for the masses.

To say trolls must be stopped is to suggest people don't have the ability to understand what they are reading on their own, that they must have certain people tell them what they are reading. What a joke! Roll Eyes




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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2008, 03:37:38 PM »

Is David Mayer de Rothschild a Freemason?
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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2008, 03:56:55 PM »

I do agree that there are evil people within the freemasons, just take Pat Robertson, but I'm just making the point that not all of the people that belong to the group are evil, in fact they probably don't even know whats really going on.
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« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2008, 04:15:04 PM »

http://journals.aol.com/suehon5/empire-taken-over-by-greece-egyp/atom.xml

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http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/apocalypse/red_double_cross.html

Is David Mayer de Rothschild a Freemason?

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The Scottish Rite was brought to America during the French and Indian war (1754-1760), settling at Charleston, S.C. on the 33rd degree parallel. In 1786 the Southern Jurisdiction of Scottish Rite Freemasonry adopted the French Masonic constitution as a basis for its constitution. It is therefore Templar and republican in origin. In 1801 the 33rd and final degree was created at Charleston. Today the Masonic world is ruled from that city, with its secretariat headquartered in Washington, D.C.
Masonic Lodges with French Constitutions end their prayers in the name of the Great Architect of the Universe. (Sometimes the title “Grand Architect” is substituted for the title “Great Architect”).
The other force of Freemasonry is of Rosicrucian origin headquartered in London. In 1717, after the exile of the Stuarts to France, seven British Rosicrucians united English Freemasonry under a Grand Lodge. Placed at its head was the king of England. From then until now, English Masonry has remained royalist and Rosicrucian. The British kept the three original degrees of Freemasonry until 1860, when they added the additional degrees of the Scottish Rite, but for competitive reason dropped the name “Scottish.”
Before the French and Indian War, American lodges were of British origin under British constitutions. Within the lodges were two factions vying for control — Moderns and Ancients. Moderns wanted to update the ancient rituals. Under their control prayers ended in the Name of Jesus Christ. When the Ancients merged with the Moderns in 1813, lodges became purely deistic and prayers in Christ’s name gradually died out as the ancient rit-uals returned. Under the Ancients, prayers began to be offered in the name of the Great Architect of the Universe, as is done in French Freemasonry.
A few Ancient lodges existed in America before 1813. For example, the Boston lodge went Ancient in 1751, as did St. John’s Lodge in Philadelphia ten years later. The British founded the Philadelphia lodge in 1730, which was the earliest known lodge in the North American colonies. One of its first initiates was Ben Franklin, who received his degrees in February of 1731.
As stated earlier, French lodges did not appear in America until the French and Indian War, where young George Washington first learned soldiering. These lodges were “military” or “traveling lodges,” exclusively for soldiers and diplomats. Military lodges became famous during our War of Independence. George Washington officiated in them, as we shall see.
George Washington is an important figure, both in Masonic history and in understanding the story of William Morgan. Morgan, a Royal Arch Mason, renounced Freemasonry, and in 1826 planned to expose the dangers of its secrets in a book. Washington likewise warned the whole country on the eve of his death to beware of secret societies. Both men were specific in their warning; the European Illuminati had infiltrated American Freemasonry.

9/11 Masonic Terrorism in Early America
The 9/11 Masonic Capture & Subsequent Terrorist
Murder of Capt. William Morgan in the year 1826
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2008, 04:23:59 PM »

I certainly hope that my question is not taken to be anything more than a question.  I believe that one of the sons of Mayer Amschel Rothschild was initiated into Freemasonry. 

My question becomes this: what happens if some activist in the Truth Movement is a Mason, and he interviews a Rothschild or similar who is also a Mason?

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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2008, 04:26:53 PM »

wait whos in greenpeace or WWF.. never mind the jupiter blocking the sun..

they use handshakes, or the hand in the lapel napoleon style. search.
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