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mr anderson:
After sending him an email with sourced links, documents and quotes.......

Sorry Matt but we have seen it all before. I wouldn’t worry about the global warming conspiracy though mate. The other big conspiracy about oil being a finite reserve that is in decline will no doubt have you hot under the collar fairly soon. Go and buy a big V8 and live like there is no tomorrow. Have fun, enjoy yourself. In fact take your money and invest in seaside real estate and leave it for your grandchildren.

Attack you? Why? I do not try to debate the human genome with a creationist as their beliefs are entirely up to them even if they transgress scientific evidence. Neither would I be interested in debating real climate science with you.

Have fun.

Steve Posselt -

Please email Steve and others about this issue, politely

Tel: 61 02 4998 6286

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mr anderson:,25197,23908592-26103,00.html

By Cathy Alexander | June 23, 2008

FEARS that petrol and electricity prices will soar when a carbon tax is introduced are unfounded, according to a new report. In 2010 Australia will enter the bold new world of an emissions trading scheme (ETS), which will put a price on greenhouse gas emissions to tackle climate change.

There are concerns the scheme will leave people struggling to pay their bills.

But the report by CSIRO and the Australian National University has found people will hardly notice the price rises - because incomes will rise much more quickly.

"There's nothing to be afraid of," said report co-author Steve Hatfield-Dodds, senior policy economist with the CSIRO.

"In the long-run perspective we can be reasonably relaxed about it."

Professor Hatfield-Dodds said the ETS would increase energy prices relatively slowly, over a long period of time.

Incomes would rise more quickly, as they have been doing for some time, outstripping energy price rises.

So, "almost despite" the ETS, households will spend less of their income on energy.

The report commissioned by the Climate Institute lobby group modelled the impact of the carbon price.

Electricity prices would rise by 18 per cent by 2025 if a low carbon price was set, and by 67 per cent if a high price was set.

The scheme would add 8 per cent to petrol prices by 2025 at the lower level, and 36 per cent at the highest.

While the report found incomes would generally outstrip that growth, it did warn low-income households could be worse off in the short term.

The report recommended the government make an "affordability payment" to poorer households of $50-$185 a year to cover the gap.

This could be in the form of a direct payment, increases to social security or cuts to income tax.

The Federal Government is tipped to rake in billions of dollars a year from the sale of emissions permits. The report advocates spending the money on the greenhouse payments, energy efficiency measures and better public transport.

Climate Change Minister Penny Wong said the government would help families cope with the ETS.

"We will ensure also that there are measures to assist Australian households to adjust to the impact of a carbon price," Senator Wong told Sky News.

She would not be drawn on how much households would have to pay under the ETS, saying the government would release a green paper in about a month.

Coalition climate change spokesman Greg Hunt said he was concerned the ETS would have "huge implications" for consumers.

He called on the government to make it clear what the impact would be on petrol and electricity prices, and said petrol could rise by 25 cents a litre in the short term.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said the former Howard government had planned to include transport in emissions trading.

"(The coalition has) now signalled quite plainly that they are committed to running a scare campaign on climate change," Mr Rudd told parliament.

Australian Greens leader Bob Brown said it was a good idea to compensate people on low incomes for higher prices under the ETS, as the report recommended.

He said the government needed to change its spending to help people cut their energy use, for example by redirecting funding from roads to public transport.

mr anderson:
Alcoa, Shell Want Climate Plan, Global Carbon Limits

 June 20 (Bloomberg) -- Alcoa Inc., Royal Dutch Shell Plc and 97 other companies are urging world leaders to devise a plan for fighting global warming by setting greenhouse-gas targets for all nations and creating an international carbon market.

A new climate-change treaty is needed with incentives to capture and store carbon dioxide and protect forests, the 99 companies said in a statement prepared by the World Economic Forum, a Geneva-based business coalition. The group presented the proposals today to Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda, who hosts a meeting of the Group of Eight nations next month in Japan.

Oil, power and metal industries are among the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming. To cut their output in half by 2050, an extra $45 trillion must be invested in clean-air technologies, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said this month. The business group said it wants government guidance on how new climate policies may affect investment decisions.

``The report makes clear that businesses can't operate in a policy vacuum,'' Willie Walsh, chief executive officer of London- based British Airways Plc, Europe's third-largest airline, said in a conference call yesterday. He is one of 16 corporate leaders who developed the proposals.

The group, representing 10 percent of the market value of the world's listed companies, also is led by Jeroen Van der Veer, chief executive officer of Shell, Europe's largest oil company, based in The Hague; Chairman Alain Belda of New York-based Alcoa, the world's third-biggest aluminum producer; and Chief Executive James Rogers of Charlotte, North Carolina-based Duke Energy Corp., owner of electric utilities in the Carolinas and the U.S. Midwest. Klaus Schwab, founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, presented the proposals to Fukuda in Tokyo.

Green Industry

``This is the first time you've had an international group of business leaders set out in a great degree of depth their vision for what the new framework should look like, and put their name to it,'' Dominic Waughray, the World Economic Forum's head of environmental initiatives, said in a telephone interview.

To limit the risks of global warming, a ``paradigm shift to a low-carbon economy'' is needed, the companies said in the statement prepared by the Forum and the World Business Council for Sustainable Development, also based in Geneva. The statement called for a ``green industrial revolution,'' with rich nations taking the lead in cutting greenhouse gases and developing a global market for carbon credits, or permits to pollute.

``We see enormous opportunity here for the global financial industry,'' Caio Koch-Weser, vice chairman of Frankfurt-based Deutsche Bank AG, Germany's biggest bank, said on the conference call. An emissions treaty enforced beyond 2012 might produce ``the makings of the global carbon market, with carbon almost as a currency 10 years from now.''

New Accord

World leaders aim to reach an accord by the end of 2009 to limit emissions, replacing the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012. Negotiations have stalled because of disagreement over what commitments different countries should make. The U.S. says it won't agree to binding targets unless China and India also agree to limits. Those nations say it's up to the industrialized world to first control emissions.

``We need strong leadership from governments to enable the business community to take advantage of opportunities,'' British Airways' Walsh said.

Under carbon trading, companies are given emission limits and enough permits to meet that cap. If they undershoot, they're able to sell those excess credits to other businesses that are unable to meet their targets.

`Unambiguous' Goal

``The new framework must be designed to harness the power of the market,'' the chief executives wrote in the 12-page proposal. ``A well-designed market-based framework in developed countries that enables the emergence of an international market for carbon can help catalyze the required flows of private capital and clean-energy technology to developing nations.''

The new treaty must include an ``unambiguous'' international goal to cut emissions, the companies said, suggesting a target for 2050 to halve output of the gases, produced mainly from burning fossil fuels. All major economies should be involved, including developing countries such as China and India, which have no binding targets under Kyoto, the companies said.

The proposal called for incentives to avoid cutting down forests and to develop technologies including solar energy, nuclear power, and carbon capture and storage, or CCS, an experimental technique that removes carbon dioxide from factory and power-plant exhaust and pumps it underground for storage.

Carbon Capture

``Acceleration of the demonstration and deployment of a range of CCS technologies is particularly important,'' the report said. ``If all new coal-fired electricity generation plants are not operating with CCS from 2015 to 2020 onward, it will be difficult to realize the target of a 50-percent reduction in global emissions by 2050.''

The executives also said licensing agreements and funds are needed to allow clean technologies to be used in poorer nations.

While no companies from mainland China have endorsed the plan, Rick Samans, managing director of the forum, said invitations are there for Chinese firms to sign up. Walsh and Koch-Weser said awareness of climate change is high among Chinese business leaders.

To contact the reporter on this story: Alex Morales in London at

mr anderson:

To reach Professor J. Scott Armstrong with questions regarding The Global Warming Challenge, email
How about it? A Public Debate? Life depends on it as you imply. Then there seems no time to waste in contacting him.

mr anderson:
Electricity, petrol emissions soaring

By Cathy Alexander | June 24, 2008

AUSTRALIA is on track to meet its Kyoto commitments on greenhouse gas emissions - but electricity and transport emissions are soaring. Government data released today showed Australia produced 585 million tonnes of greenhouse gases in 2007, six per cent more than in 1990.

Under the Kyoto deal, Australia can increase its emissions by eight per cent of 1990 levels by 2012.

But the data shows it's only a reduced rate of land clearing which is keeping emissions in check.

Emissions from electricity, petrol, farming and industry are all increasing.

If land clearing is taken out of the equation, emissions have risen 31 per cent since 1990.

Electricity emissions have increased by 47 per cent since 1990.

Emissions from transport - largely cars - was next in line, increasing 27 per cent.

Per capita emissions are 28 tonnes per year, among the highest in the world.

The data is contained in the National Greenhouse Gas Inventory 2006, which includes figures for 2007 and is partly based on estimates.

Federal Climate Change Minister Penny Wong said the report showed there were challenges ahead.

"We have a lot of work to do in the coming years to reduce Australia's greenhouse gas emissions," she said.

Senator Wong said the reduced rate of land clearing had been a significant factor in restraining emissions, but that this option would be less useful in future calculations.

She reiterated her support for an emissions trading scheme, but would not be drawn on whether petrol or agriculture would be included.

Opposition climate change spokesman Greg Hunt said the data showed Australia had long been on track to meet its Kyoto commitments due to "real action under the coalition".

Greens climate change spokeswoman Christine Milne was concerned by the data.

"There's no good news for Australia in our greenhouse gas inventory, what we're showing is increased emissions," she said.

Senator Milne said the data showed transport emissions responded to price - and coal was the main culprit behind increasing emissions.


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