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« on: March 27, 2008, 04:53:27 PM »

See what the Israelis teach their own children.  They are signing artillery that was used on the latest illegal war on Lebanon.  What a hateful culture Israel has.



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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 05:15:52 PM »

See what the Israelis teach their own children.  They are signing artillery that was used on the latest illegal war on Lebanon.  What a hateful culture Israel has.



read the love doublespeak.




that started in america regardless its some sick twisted s**t.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 05:34:14 PM »

that started in america regardless its some sick twisted s**t.

How so?
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2008, 05:36:52 PM »

How so?
WWII soldiers writing messages on 500lb bombs before bombing raids
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2008, 05:40:13 PM »

Forgiveness is not a trait of either Jews or Moslem's, it stems from Christianity.

Those living in Christian nations, even though they may not be Christian, just don't understand this.

The Middle East is not like America or Europe.  Such talk here is viewed as despicably evil, such talk there is viewed as normal.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 07:11:24 PM »

I remember hearing that there were writing from soldiers on both atomic bombs.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 08:51:43 PM »

why are they writing in english?

in any case this seems to be more planned creation of distractions.  Israeli neo-cons are some f**ked up psychopathic genocidal warmongerers, but they still have yet to kill over 1,000,000 innocent women and children in iraq like rockefeller/cheney is continuing to do.
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2008, 09:04:34 PM »

that started in america regardless its some sick twisted s**t.

I don't recall seeing pictures of American children(Under the age of 18, of course) writing messages on bombs.

Soldiers, yes, but not children. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2008, 09:05:05 PM »


Not trying to be funny here, but in the middle picture, the one in the orange shirt in the background, kind of looks like Celine Dion.

Weird.

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 09:18:54 PM »

The other one kinda looks like an Olsen twin. Go do some research on these photos and see how the neocons bloggers tried to spin these pictures. It's a lot like how the neocons tried to spin the puppy throwing video.
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 09:23:37 PM »

why are they writing in english?

in any case this seems to be more planned creation of distractions.  Israeli neo-cons are some f**ked up psychopathic genocidal warmongerers, but they still have yet to kill over 1,000,000 innocent women and children in iraq like rockefeller/cheney is continuing to do.

Hebrew is Gods language according to Jews. The words are supposed to have divine qualities. I suppose you don't write them on munitions out of respect. Just a guess.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 09:24:29 PM »

HEY I DID NOT CREATE THIS TOPIC.  WHO IS MESSING WITH MY ACCOUNT?!
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2008, 09:25:50 PM »

HEY I DID NOT CREATE THIS TOPIC.  WHO IS MESSING WITH MY ACCOUNT?!

Really!? Someone else logged in as you and posted this?
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2008, 09:27:33 PM »

Really!? Someone else logged in as you and posted this?

YES I DID NOT CREATE THIS TOPIC.  SOMEONE HAS LOGGED THIS TOPIC UNDER MY NAME!
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2008, 09:29:20 PM »

HEY I DID NOT CREATE THIS TOPIC.  WHO IS MESSING WITH MY ACCOUNT?!

Hmm thats not good.... at least its a valid topic.. I've seen this picture before.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2008, 09:30:05 PM »

YES I DID NOT CREATE THIS TOPIC.  SOMEONE HAS LOGGED THIS TOPIC UNDER MY NAME!

Report the first post to a moderator! Maybe there is a IP attached to that log in. Weird and creepy, has this happened to you before on this forum? Check your past posts in your profile!
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YES I DID NOT CREATE THIS TOPIC.  SOMEONE HAS LOGGED THIS TOPIC UNDER MY NAME!

I suggest that you watch your posts carefully, log them and let any moderator be made aware of this. Careful and check your computer for any spyware, hacking, keystroke loggers, etc.

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2008, 09:34:55 PM »

I POSTED THIS AS A REPLY TO ANOTHER TOPIC.  SOMEONE MADE A TOPIC INTO IT AND IS SAYING IT IS PROPAGANDA.  THIS IS REALLY SHADY!
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2008, 09:42:09 PM »

why are they writing in english?

in any case this seems to be more planned creation of distractions.  Israeli neo-cons are some f**ked up psychopathic genocidal warmongerers, but they still have yet to kill over 1,000,000 innocent women and children in iraq like rockefeller/cheney is continuing to do.

That's because they didn't need to. Our Military Industrial complex was happy to do it for them. Then they were supposed to go after Syria and pussed out. They would rather..... the U.S. do that too.

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They are a unified group of American intellectuals, who held key positions in Bush administration and were blamed for getting US into Iraq. Most of them are Jews, so they are obviously accused of risking America in favor of Israel. Israeli Meyrav Wurmser claims that if situation is bad, Israelis are also to blame
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WASHINGTON - It hasn't been a good year for neocons, that group of conservative American intellectuals pulling some strings of US policy, particularly during the George W. Bush administration.

The strongest indictment against them is the war in Iraq, a quagmire in which the US is currently stuck up to its neck. And as Bush's days in the White House grow numbered, they are leaving one by one.


Among the few remaining neocons is David Wurmser, an advisor for Vice President Dick Cheney on Middle Eastern affairs. Wurmser is a Middle East expert, just like his wife, Israeli Meyrav Wurmser, a researcher at the conservative Hudson Institute.


Meyrav Wurmser was also one of the co-founders of MEMRI, which tracks Arab leaders and translating their political statements from Arabic to English.


Despite the fact that many neocons are no longer part of the government, it turns out they're still one big happy family, who make sure to remain in touch.


Many are Jews, who share a love for Israel. Some of the accusations against the government regarding the war in Iraq is that it was undertaken primarily for Israel's sake and that the attack on Iraq was actually an Israeli objective.


In an interview with Ynet, Dr. Meyrav Wurmser refutes the accusations and criticism.


"Since I'm an Israeli in the gang, you wouldn't believe what's been written about me," she said. "That I'm proof of the covert neoconservative connection with Israel and the Mossad."


What are you trying to achieve?


"We believe in a strong and active American foreign policy. America is a good force in the world, a nation that believes in freedom. We believe in exporting American ideas of freedom and democracy, to promote greater stability."


Did you, in practice, bring about the war in Iraq?


"We expressed ideas, but the policy in Iraq was taken out of neocon hands very quickly. The idea was that America has a war on terror and that the only actual place for coping with it is in the Middle East and that a fundamental change would come through a change in leadership. We had to start somewhere.


"The objective was to change the face of the Middle East. But it was impossible to create a mini-democracy amidst a sea of dictatorships looking to destroy this poor democracy, and thus, where do insurgents in Iraq come from? From Iran and Syria."


Should they have been conquered?


"No. There was a need for massive political action, of threats and pressure on these governments, financial pressure, for example. The sanctions on Syria were nothing. There was a period of time when the Syrians were afraid that they were next. It would have been possible to use this momentum in a smarter way. There's no need to go in militarily."


Everyone feels beaten after last 5 years

At their prime, the neocons held the reigns of American decision making. In the Pentagon, there were Deputy Defense Minister Paul Wolfowitz, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, and Harold Rhode, a senior Pentagon advisor on Islam.


In the vice president's office were Louis Libby and John Hannah. Richard Perle headed the committee advising to the Pentagon. In the White House were Deputy National Security Adviser for Global Democracy Strategy Elliott Abrams and Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, who later became the US ambassador to the UN.


Iraq. Today it's already a disaster


According to Wurmser's description, the group is comprised of academics, most of them lacking operational experience, who became part of the Bush administration but failed to get their ideas through bureaucracy.


"These are intellectuals who came with great ideas, in which I still believe, but did not find a way to promote their beliefs in the complexities of bureaucracy," she says.


Your people held senior positions in the Pentagon. Didn’t Deputy Defense Minister Paul Wolfowitz and Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith implement your theories?

"The final decisions were no in their hands. In the Pentagon, the decisions were in the hands of the military, and the political leadership had a lot of clashes with the military leadership."

Did the military leadership ask for more soldiers in Iraq?

"Rumsfeld prevented that. He was a failure. The State Department opposed the neocons' stances. Also John Bolton, who is also part of the family, and was no. 4 at the State Department under Colin Powell, was incapable of passing decisions…


"Powell curbed our ideas and they did not pass. There was a lot of frustration over the years in the administration because we didn’t feel we were succeeding.


"Now Bolton left (the UN – Y.B.) and there are others who are about to leave. This administration is in its twilight days. Everyone is now looking for work, looking to make money… We all feel beaten after the past five years… We miss the peace and quiet and writing books…


"When you enter the administration you have to keep your mouth shut. Now many will resume their writing… Now, from the outside, they will be able to convey all the criticism they kept inside."

In the meantime you left the US inside Iraq?


"We did not bring the US into Iraq in such a way. Our biggest war which we lost was the idea that before entering Iraq we must train an exile Iraqi government and an Iraqi military force, and hand over the rule to them immediately after the occupation and leave Iraq. That was our idea and it was not accepted."


Your man was Ahmed Chalabi, who was later suspected of spying for Iran?

"That is true, but we didn’t want him as a dictator but as a person in a government that will act democratically… We must help the current democratic government. The borders with Iran and Syria should have been blocked immediately when we entered Iraq. Now it's already a disaster."

Why didn’t you attack Syria?

Many of Wurmser's friends believe the disaster is not only in Iraq, but in the entire region. They are also very frustrated over the way in which Israel embarked on the war against Hizbullah this summer, and on the way it returned from it.


"Hizbullah defeated Israel in the war. This is the first war Israel lost," Dr. Wurmser declares.


Is this a popular stance in the administration, that Israel lost the war?


"Yes, there is no doubt. It's not something one can argue about it. There is a lot of anger at Israel."


What caused the anger?


"I know this will annoy many of your readers… But the anger is over the fact that Israel did not fight against the Syrians. Instead of Israel fighting against Hizbullah, many parts of the American administration believe that Israel should have fought against the real enemy, which is Syria and not Hizbullah."

Did the administration expect Israel to attack Syria?


"They hoped Israel would do it. You cannot come to another country and order it to launch a war, but there was hope, and more than hope, that Israel would do the right thing. It would have served both the American and Israeli interests.

"The neocons are responsible for the fact that Israel got a lot of time and space… They believed that Israel should be allowed to win. A great part of it was the thought that Israel should fight against the real enemy, the one backing Hizbullah. It was obvious that it is impossible to fight directly against Iran, but the thought was that its strategic and important ally should be hit."

"It is difficult for Iran to export its Shiite revolution without joining Syria, which is the last nationalistic Arab country. If Israel had hit Syria, it would have been such a harsh blow for Iran, that it would have weakened it and changes the strategic map in the Middle East.

"The final outcome is that Israel did not do it. It fought the wrong war and lost. Instead of a strategic war that would serve Israel's objectives, as well as the US objectives in Iraq. If Syria had been defeated, the rebellion in Iraq would have ended."

Wurmser says that what most frustrates her is hearing people close to decision makers in Israel asking her if the US would have let Israel attack Syria.

"No one would have stopped you. It was an American interest. They would have applauded you. Think why you received so much time and space to operate. Rice was in the region and Israel embarrassed her with Qana, and still Israel got more time. Why aren't they reading the map correctly in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?"
 
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2008, 09:44:04 PM »

I POSTED THIS AS A REPLY TO ANOTHER TOPIC.  SOMEONE MADE A TOPIC INTO IT AND IS SAYING IT IS PROPAGANDA.  THIS IS REALLY SHADY!

Maybe a moderator Split your post into a separate topic because they thought it was worthy of it's own thread.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2008, 09:48:01 PM »

Maybe a moderator Split your post into a separate topic because they thought it was worthy of it's own thread.

My hunch it was a moderator, and who ever did is implying that this is propaganda.  This is NOT propaganda, this is real. No one should be posting anything under my name, moderator or not.
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2008, 09:52:46 PM »

It does seem questionable that Israeli girls would write in english on the bombs rather than in hebrew. That is probably why it was moved to its own thread with the (propaganda?) question in the title to see if someone can verify that it's not propaganda. Just my thought on it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2008, 09:56:10 PM »

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/071806dnintisrael_.1ef7fbae.html
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2008, 09:56:59 PM »

Hey you punk kids. Get off my ammo dump and stop vandalizing my munitions!
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2008, 09:57:09 PM »

It does seem questionable that Israeli girls would write in english on the bombs rather than in hebrew. That is probably why it was moved to its own thread with the (propaganda?) question in the title to see if someone can verify that it's not propaganda. Just my thought on it.

I agree it seems odd that does.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2008, 10:00:40 PM »

I agree it seems odd that does.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/071806dnintisrael_.1ef7fbae.html
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2008, 10:06:43 PM »

This should clarify my sentiments...

See what the Israelis teach their own children.  They are signing artillery that was used on the latest illegal war on Lebanon.  What a hateful culture Israel has.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/071806dnintisrael_.1ef7fbae.html



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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2008, 10:24:54 PM »

You didn't think one thread was enough?

Children taught to write messages on bombs (propaganda?) - posted by redpills1

Are you a troll? Why do you spam the same thing?

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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2008, 10:29:37 PM »


Read the other one first before speaking.  Someone created that post under my name.
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« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2008, 10:35:07 PM »

wurmser is a traitor to every american citizen and why he is not in prison is beyond all rational thought.

patriotic admiral fallon gets fired for protecting american lives and wurmser is still a rampant genocidal apocalyptic psychopath who gets large sums of money to play hitler for zionist elites.  wtf?

but that is just my opinion.
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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2008, 10:35:33 PM »

Read the other one first before speaking.  Someone created that post under my name.

OK. So let's get to the thread you created here. You did create this thread, right? Or was that somebody else?

Do you think Israel and zionists are behind everything?
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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2008, 10:41:12 PM »

Ok a moderator deleted my other post and kept this one that they created.  More proof the Zionist conspiracy is being hidden from you.  I figured things would be a bit "tricky" around here.  The disinfo agents are strong and plentiful.
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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2008, 10:41:59 PM »

OK. So let's get to the thread you created here. You did create this thread, right? Or was that somebody else?

Do you think Israel and zionists are behind everything?

What's "everything"?
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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2008, 10:46:24 PM »

What's "everything"?

What is "is"?
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2008, 10:48:59 PM »

I swear I could have swallowed the redpill before somewhere?

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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2008, 10:49:43 PM »

wurmser is a traitor to every american citizen and why he is not in prison is beyond all rational thought.

patriotic admiral fallon gets fired for protecting american lives and wurmser is still a rampant genocidal apocalyptic psychopath who gets large sums of money to play hitler for zionist elites.  wtf?

but that is just my opinion.

Sane,

Can you answer why somone would create this post as me, implying it is propganda on top of that?
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2008, 10:53:58 PM »

I swear I could have swallowed the redpill before somewhere?

Not sure where though.


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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2008, 10:55:20 PM »

Sane,

Can you answer why somone would create this post as me, implying it is propganda on top of that?

omfg, dude the post was split from the post about the rabbi talking about hanging arab kids.

they were completely different and the other post is in the middle east/israel room.

the thread went completely toward the kids writing on bombs so the original title made no sense

the thing about propaganda is a question not a declaration.

for example...

they are writing in english

two people are seen in the background with cameras (this is obviously a photo oportunity)

you do have a tendency to post propaganda against israel (not like israel does not deserve it but perspective is a nice thing to have).

so the question is still out there.

i am a bit curious myself, is it propaganda, staged, or is this a daily school activity in israel?

inquiring minds want to know.
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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2008, 11:06:36 PM »

omfg, dude the post was split from the post about the rabbi talking about hanging arab kids.

they were completely different and the other post is in the middle east/israel room.

the thread went completely toward the kids writing on bombs so the original title made no sense

the thing about propaganda is a question not a declaration.

for example...

they are writing in english

two people are seen in the background with cameras (this is obviously a photo oportunity)

you do have a tendency to post propaganda against israel (not like israel does not deserve it but perspective is a nice thing to have).

so the question is still out there.

i am a bit curious myself, is it propaganda, staged, or is this a daily school activity in israel?

inquiring minds want to know.

I did not want to create this as a topic and if I did, would not have titled it as such.  I am asking nicely, could you please not do this in the future?

Yes, I take issue with Israel as all people should.  Is there a reason why any of us should be defending them is my question.  Would you have defended apartheid South Africa?  (..and if only racism was Israel's only problem)

I do not know if Israel does this as a daily habit with their children but I got this from the mainstream news.  I am surprised many of you have not heard this story as it was fairly popular.
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