Breaking: New witness found, saw missile strike Pentagon on 9/11...

[Watermonkey]

I spoke to a friend of mine a few days ago who told me a friend of his was a guard in Arlington Cemetery on the morning of 9/11. He told my friend there is no doubt whatsoever what he saw that morning: A missile, possibly a Tomahawk from a sea-based platform, flew in and impacted the Pentagon building and he witnessed it with his own eyes. He did not see where it came from or any aircraft in the area that could've fired it. I'll find out how to contact this individual if anyone's interested in interviewing him or speaking with him. You can contact me via PM if interested...

[rustycat]

Did he see any other planes in the area?

[pac522]

I'd like to see him interviewed via polygraph.

[Protean]

Bump--Let's keep this one alive--if this turns out to be true, then perhaps Alex may invite this young man to speak on his show.
Looking forward to learning more about this...

[phatbob426]

Wow.  Well this kind of puts a damper on the "757 hit the Pentagon" theory.  Keep an eye on your friend and don't let him get into any "accidents" if you know what I mean.  Get him on the show!  Great find!  Keep it going!

[Mr Grinch]

With the stand down orders Cheney gave, the fact that there were so many drills and no air force fighters so long after the WTC attacks/known hijacking, arguing the minutia of what hit the pentagon is a (designed?) distraction on par with the no planers.

The FACT that it was allowed to be hit is all the proof anyone with a clear understanding of the ridiculous series of coincident "mistakes" (and any intellectual integrity) with only the courage to think it through without denial and ego can see with clarity.

The missile is a strong possibility but feeds the cowards who want to deny reality ammunition for their own denial delusion.

Its just not a good way to make people wake up to go so far from the MSM lie, IMHO.

[sid]

It really should be very easy to locate this guy.  After all, how many guards were on duty at Arlington at the time of the incident?

[yanaar]

By all means, bring him forward, if hes willing.  It's crucial to understand the Pentagon scene as clearly as possible.

[Watermonkey]

I'll make some calls and keep you all posted. I'll need a contact from the show if I'm able to talk to him myself and convince him he needs to come on the air with his account, too. As far as polygraph testing, I bet he'd do it if he's telling the truth, but who's going to pay for it? Anyone? We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. I have no idea how many guards are on duty at Arlington Cemetery, but I'm thinking it's probably twenty or so at any given time. Don't know how many of them might have seen the same thing or if they've talked to eachother... Lots of questions, I'll try and get a hold of him and find out some answers... Stay tuned.

[Brocke]

I spoke to a friend of mine a few days ago who told me a friend of his was a guard in Arlington Cemetery on the morning of 9/11. He told my friend there is no doubt whatsoever what he saw that morning: A missile, possibly a Tomahawk from a sea-based platform, flew in and impacted the Pentagon building and he witnessed it with his own eyes. He did not see where it came from or any aircraft in the area that could've fired it. I'll find out how to contact this individual if anyone's interested in interviewing him or speaking with him. You can contact me via PM if interested...

Brace for impact dude, jimd3100 is going to hit you on this subject and hit you hard.

Personally I'm still dubious about a passenger plane hitting the Pentagon, but there are a lot members on this forum that equate a missile hitting the Pentagon as a "no planer" theory.

I hope this guy comes forward. This should be an interesting threat to watch.

[DCUBED]

Brace for impact dude, jimd3100 is going to hit you on this subject and hit you hard.

My thoughts exactly.

Keep us updated on this. This could be a huge break.

[A K]

Do you know the witness?  Have you talked to him?  You say he is a friend of a friend.  Most urban legends and tall tales start off with " A friend of a friend told me...".  Color me doubtful.  Why hasn't this guy come forward before now? 

[Watermonkey]

Since I'm simply repeating the subject material from a conversation I had with a friend of mine, I don't think there's really anything anyone can do to "hit me hard". I'm open to the idea that a missile was the cause of the damage to the Pentagon because I haven't seen irrefutable evidence to the contrary. Further, I don't believe for a millisecond a plane of any size could come in at that angle and speed and do the damage that was done by the missile that penetrated that heavily armored building, especially the newly armored section where the impact was. The missile theory makes way more sense to me than the plane theory, but either way, I can't stress this enough, I did not solicit this angle from my friend. He initiated the missile impact because of his friend's testimony. So he didn't know what I thought of the whole thing before telling me about his friend. That, to me, makes me a little less vulnerable to attacks from people who are vested in the plane theory. My opinion, here, isn't on trail or in question. I'm more interested in learning what an eye-witness has to say about the event that happened right before his eyes then listening to theories. I'll encourage him to subject himself to a polygraph, too, if it comes to that. I haven't even talked to him yet though. We shall see what comes from this.

edit to add: As to your questions and your bold stance of being doubtful, A K, I most certainly hope no one takes anything I'm saying for anything more than what it is at this point: An unsubstantiated rumor brought to me second hand which means it's being brought to you third hand that has some hope of moving up the chain a notch to being broadcast on the radio, thus giving you and all the listening audience second hand information from a questionably credible source. Before bringing someone like this before an audience, I think it's a forgone conclusion that research will be done to at least substantiate his claim that he was in a place at the right time to view the incident in question. Like I said, there are many questions and we'll all just have to be patient until we hear the answers. I believe my friend, though. He's not the type to need or want this sort of attention. He was quite sincere and didn't stumble at all in relating the story. He wasn't joking.

[blackbeagle]

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade but I do not believe any witnesses. They are not credible. The only think I believe is visual evidence. Now if 100 people saw the same thing, then it would be different. But in this case, we have people saying that they saw a few different things: helicopters, a 757, a small jet, a Tomahawk, a Globalhawk, a Sky Warrior, etc.

From evidence, it appears to me that it CANNOT be a cruise missile. They found an engine and a wheel, which a Global Hawk has. But there's no definitive proof.

There is enough proof that a 757 DID NOT fly into the Pentagon. That's all the evidence that I need.

[Watermonkey]

So, are you saying you'd rather not hear from a veteran who says he saw a missile fly into the building while on duty nearby? Is there some harm that can come from hearing the testimony of a former soldier who was at the right place (allegedly) and right time to see this historic event?

[thrashbassist]

If you can get in contact with the guy, be sure to pass along the PP forum address and tell him to join! Nothing better than hearing it from the horses' mouth. Who knows, this may prove to be very important.

[GoodBush]

If there is such a man he needs to step forward through the proper channels and make a public announcement with full name and all details of his accounts that day.

[thrashbassist]

There is enough proof that a 757 DID NOT fly into the Pentagon. That's all the evidence that I need.

ditto.

We caught them lying, and there's no way they can lie themselves out of this one. Kinda like the Larry Silverstein "pull it" comment in WTC7.

[phatbob426]

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade but I do not believe any witnesses. They are not credible. The only think I believe is visual evidence. Now if 100 people saw the same thing, then it would be different. But in this case, we have people saying that they saw a few different things: helicopters, a 757, a small jet, a Tomahawk, a Globalhawk, a Sky Warrior, etc.

From evidence, it appears to me that it CANNOT be a cruise missile. They found an engine and a wheel, which a Global Hawk has. But there's no definitive proof.

There is enough proof that a 757 DID NOT fly into the Pentagon. That's all the evidence that I need.

The wheel found doesn't match one on a Global Hawk.  It does match that of a 757.  If a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, I believe that it didn't, then that evidence must have been planted.

[A K]

Watermonkey - I encourage you to talk to this guy face to face, and if he seems legit, ask him to talk to Alex Jones and/or the Loose Change crew. 

[DAVIDENGLAND]

Just adding my 2 pence worth. I've looked at the pre collapse photos of the Pentagon and I just can't see where the 2 engines impacted. If it was a jumbo that hit it then where are the engine impact marks?

[saint405]

thwe impact pictures of the pentagon show no impact holes from the massive engines.notice that the pillars are still standing on both sides of the hole....

[GoodBush]

Just adding my 2 pence worth. I've looked at the pre collapse photos of the Pentagon and I just can't see where the 2 engines impacted. If it was a jumbo that hit it then where are the engine impact marks?

If it was a jumbo that hit it then where are the engine impact marks?

Is how that should be printed.

[pac522]

With the stand down orders Cheney gave, the fact that there were so many drills and no air force fighters so long after the WTC attacks/known hijacking, arguing the minutia of what hit the pentagon is a (designed?) distraction on par with the no planers.

The FACT that it was allowed to be hit is all the proof anyone with a clear understanding of the ridiculous series of coincident "mistakes" (and any intellectual integrity) with only the courage to think it through without denial and ego can see with clarity.

The missile is a strong possibility but feeds the cowards who want to deny reality ammunition for their own denial delusion.

Its just not a good way to make people wake up to go so far from the MSM lie, IMHO.

Yeah, I'm one who finds it hard to believe that a plane hit the Pentagon either. Just for the simple fact that it was done with surgical precision, where the auditing of the 3 trillion dollars was being done, the size of the impact hole, the lack of video footage release. But I also understand why it shouldn't be argued about. It's like pissing down someone's back and telling them it's raining. But if this guy is legit I'm sure he can find someone to pay for the polygraph.

[Ford]

If there was a guard who saw a missle hit the Pentagon and he told the story to a member of this forum, then it is possible that in the next 24-48 hours he will be found by the bad guys and either his story will change or it will become very hard to find him. The bad guys read these things too.

[Watermonkey]

Well, Ford, you bring up a very valid point. I'm not exactly an old hat at this whole thing, and if it were me, I don't know what I'd do either. What's the most effective protocol for getting a witness to a crime to come forward without endangering his life?

[A K]

Go public.  Hernandez and the other 9-11 witnesses who have gone public are fine.  Like I said you hearing this from a friend telling you about his friend leaves me suspect.  The story could be fabricated - by you, your friend, or your friend's friend - or subject to intentional or unintentional distortion.  I find it a little odd that this guy has never come forward before.  But if you are on the level, I encourage you to talk to this guy face to face and see what you think, and if legit have him talk to Alex. 

[trixi1]

To some extent, I agree about going public is better for your safety. However, many don't simply because they don't have the numbers behind them and the fear is too great.

We need more people to come out in the sheer numbers that we know exist to show the proof that this wasn't done by arab hijackers and that it was an inside job.

Osama don't live around here no mo. They got to stop using his ghost as the boogey man that we know isn't there.

[Nailer]

I believe it, as on live TV  when they were showing the pentagon i never saw any plane wreckage, luggage or anything from the cargo hold.
We all have seen pics of where planes have hit mountains and the wreckage is spread over a wide area. well where is the wreckage? a 747 does not vaporize when it crashes, DUH..

[Ford]

If you found this info from a friend of a friend, he might be ok. True or not, it is hearsay at this point.

[Watermonkey]

...I'm working on it... may take some time... must be patient... I'll contact AJ's office when I confirm...

[SuzakaDusk]

...I'm working on it... may take some time... must be patient... I'll contact AJ's office when I confirm...

God luck and I hope this comes to fruitition..

[Overcast]

By all means, bring him forward, if hes willing.  It's crucial to understand the Pentagon scene as clearly as possible.

Yes... what saddens me most of all - is soldiers who die for the concept and intention of the US - all the while just being used as expendable pawns of the people running the show.

It's a shame some may have to deal with imprisonment or death because they choose to fight for our country... REGARDLESS of who the enemy is.

[jimwill]

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade but I do not believe any witnesses. They are not credible. The only think I believe is visual evidence. Now if 100 people saw the same thing, then it would be different. But in this case, we have people saying that they saw a few different things: helicopters, a 757, a small jet, a Tomahawk, a Globalhawk, a Sky Warrior, etc.

From evidence, it appears to me that it CANNOT be a cruise missile. They found an engine and a wheel, which a Global Hawk has. But there's no definitive proof.

There is enough proof that a 757 DID NOT fly into the Pentagon. That's all the evidence that I need.

Ok, so we don't listen to anyone - the only valid proof is if we go and examine the destruction personally. OH - wait a minute - the damage has been repaired. Hmp... must be as the MSM says. Everyone go back to sleep, nothings happening!!

[yanaar]

<snip>  From evidence, it appears to me that it CANNOT be a cruise missile. They found an engine and a wheel,

The engine and wheel were planted evidence. 

[Overcast]

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade but I do not believe any witnesses. They are not credible. The only think I believe is visual evidence.

Watch the Video

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/

Please tell where the plane is?

I can understand missing a small plane - but we are talking a 155 foot long commercial jet liner. It's hard to think even at 350 MPH it would just be a 'blur' on the video. I watched it over and over, and just can't seem to find a plane.

This animated GIF from Wikipedia shows a... flying device (let's say) and highlights it - damn, that's a lot smaller than the 757's I have imagined... but then it's kind of hard to determine the distance there.

They show a 'fuselage' with a fin on the back.

I suppose it could be the rudder of a plane. Let's just suppose it was a 757 - it still doesn't really answer the question of who all was behind it. Even if Bin Laden talked a buncha' zealots into flying these planes, I still have to wonder what his specific goals were and if - in spite of what's said - he still had a 'gig' going on with his former employers...

I am also a bit curious... why the plane left a contrail? I didn't know that would happen at a lower altitude in fair weather? Especially since the plane would have had to been diving - meaning there really wasn't a load on the engines, as it would have already had plenty of inertia - I mean at least a turbine style engine anyway. But then - I'm not an aeronautical engineer either. (*cough* Exhaust vapor trails or contrails usually occur at above 26,000 feet. where the temperature is below -40°C (-40°F).[1])

[Mr Grinch]

The wheel found doesn't match one on a Global Hawk.  It does match that of a 757.  If a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, I believe that it didn't, then that evidence must have been planted.

Heres some food for thought for any who havent yet seen it....

http://physics911.net/pdf/schwarz.pdf

There was one credible witness found that saw “a two-engine jet airplane, the engines were under the wings.” That is a visual description of a 737, 757, or 767, but it is also a description of an A-3 Skywarrior

http://physics911.net

[beedee]

If there is such a man he needs to step forward through the proper channels and make a public announcement with full name and all details of his accounts that day.

he should tell his story under oath, in a sworn affidavit

[Watermonkey]

Well, this isn't a big update, but I just thought I'd give a shout out and say that I finally found my direct route in to Jack Blood and Alex Jones. I'll talk to my friend on the 3rd and we'll make the connection between this alleged witness and this "direct route" acquaintance I just met today. So that's one less thing to worry about. Making the connection, assuming his story is legit should be the easy part. Crossing my fingers...

[yanaar]

Go for it Watermonkey.  And thank-you for all this work.