Zeitgiest II Coming October 2008 - Why Now?

[Dig]

dude more input. lol.

i think we are getting more occupied by info about the pope having rockerfeller for breakfast in bed then any current relevant info.

i hope things get better.

shit the pope seems like some Alzheimer's patient that has not slept in 10 days (wtf is with the bags under his eyes?).

IMO that hitler youth tool is about as powerful as neil bush (guess that is more powerful than you and me, but he ain't no rockefeller).

[zafada]

The fact that some of you are getting offended by this movie is kind of scary.  You are aware that the reason why you need to have "faith" is because there is no actual way of proving your god or that Jesus even existed.  If you say The Bible, you do know that this book was printed AND written by humans right?

I'm Buddhist and I doubt that even Buddha existed so you need to start believing in yourself rather than some mythological character that you feel will save you in this world or the afterlife because neither is true.  You're the one with the strength.  Start using it and quit the emotional uproar over the little man that has never helped you in this life.

"How do you know?"

I would say but you're too stuck on the whole faith thing so you'd probably just think it's the devil's work.

[Dig]

The fact that some of you are getting offended by this movie is kind of scary.  You are aware that the reason why you need to have "faith" is because there is no actual way of proving your god or that Jesus even existed.  If you say The Bible, you do know that this book was printed AND written by humans right?

I'm Buddhist and I doubt that even Buddha existed so you need to start believing in yourself rather than some mythological character that you feel will save you in this world or the afterlife because neither is true.  You're the one with the strength.  Start using it and quit the emotional uproar over the little man that has never helped you in this life.

"How do you know?"

I would say but you're too stuck on the whole faith thing so you'd probably just think it's the devil's work.

i respectfully disagree with your opinion

[Amd304912]

shit the pope seems like some Alzheimer's patient that has not slept in 10 days (wtf is with the bags under his eyes?).

IMO that hitler youth tool is about as powerful as neil bush (guess that is more powerful than you and me, but he ain't no rockefeller).

lol, i wonder how many "awake" people see its alive and kicking. they probably still watching nickjr.

[echoes]

No, darkness just was.

Read Genesis 1:1-5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201

contradictory statement:
Isaiah 45:7
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:7;&version=9;

[White Rose Sophie]

It is one thing to say that the Zionists are behind 9-11, and another thing altogether to say that the Jews are behind 9-11.

That is the same as the government saying that Muslims were behind it.

It creates a feeling of hatred towards a generic group of people without a true basis.  Just because you are Jewish doesn't mean that you are a Zionist as much as being Muslim doesn't mean you are a radical extremist.

Generalization of a specific group of people is one of the hardest arguments I encounter while talking with people about the truth movement.  We argue that all Muslims are not terrorists yet are easily taken to calling all "Jews" Zionists.

Tread carefully folks.  Talk like that is counterproductive to the goal of waking others to the truth.

Just a thought.

Dan

ps. Thanks for the advice on the movie.

I agree.  Trying to pin everything on "ZIonists" is the same as trying to pin everything on the Roman Catholic Church.  They are both generated from the same original belief system, but when you blame it all on "Jews" or "Catholics"...you are falling into their clever trap...Collectivization.  THAT's what they want.  People are individuals and are INDIVIDUALLY responsible for their actions. Even though we all know what the CFR and the Bilderbergers stand for - much of what we know about them has been LEAKED to us from moral people within the organizations.  Probably to their great peril too.

Who knows, maybe some of the more virulent "fundi' posters on here that are so snarky, are not really 'fundis' at all, but out to give Christianity a bad name. 

Christians are told to speak the truth, in LOVE.  

[Femacamper]

contradictory statement:
Isaiah 45:7
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2045:7;&version=9;

True, I need to further explain darkness.

Darkness comes as an absence of light. God created light, without light, you have darkness and without God, you are left in the dark!

[creat3d]

i respectfully disagree with your opinion

Care to explain why?
Zafada's right.

[White Rose Sophie]

Care to explain why?
Zafada's right.

Does he have to?  Why is he required to explain his position? 

Surely we are ALL entitled to our own opinions, no?

[vlunkk]

True, I need to further explain darkness.

Darkness comes as an absence of light. God created light, without light, you have darkness and without God, you are left in the dark!

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."
Plato.

besides (although I consider this quote to be propaganda): http://www.ahherald.com/senior/2005/ss050120_god.htm
The fact that especially "SIR" Edmund Burke the so called philosopher thought to have his say in all this, made me suspicious.

[Dig]

Care to explain why?
Zafada's right.

No problem...

The fact that some of you are getting offended by this movie is kind of scary.  You are aware that the reason why you need to have "faith" is because there is no actual way of proving your god or that Jesus even existed.  If you say The Bible, you do know that this book was printed AND written by humans right?

I'm Buddhist and I doubt that even Buddha existed so you need to start believing in yourself rather than some mythological character that you feel will save you in this world or the afterlife because neither is true.  You're the one with the strength.  Start using it and quit the emotional uproar over the little man that has never helped you in this life.

"How do you know?"

I would say but you're too stuck on the whole faith thing so you'd probably just think it's the devil's work.

#1...I am not offended by the movie and appreciate the parts other than part 1.  I am surfacing an issue concerning conditioning and part 1 of the movie.  Part 1 was overly overtly supportive of paganism/astrological foundations as the true birth of human enlightenment. It also blamed monotheistic religions for causing all deception in the world (I may be exaggerating but not by much).  These 2 principals are distinctly mirrors of the "forth world strategy" found in Maurice Strong/David Rockefeller/Rothschild's planned NWO (see Hunt UNCED whistleblower video).  This to me is obvious conditioning and it would be nice if people knew that when watching it.

#2..."You are aware that the reason why you need to have "faith" is because there is no actual way of proving your god or that Jesus even existed." This does not even make sense to me.  It is a cyclical argument like the chicken and the egg yet it is not relevant concerning me (at least I have 'faith' it is not.).  I have faith because I choose to have faith.  Nothing more and nothing less.  If Zafada chooses not to have faith, or have faith in something else, then that is his choice.  The constitution and the liberty position allows both Zafada and I to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness while holding disparate beliefs.  But if you strictly wish to go down the logical argument road, just because no one can prove that Saddam Hussein did not absolutely have WMDs does not mean that he had them. 

#3..."I'm Buddhist and I doubt that even Buddha existed so you need to start believing in yourself rather than some mythological character that you feel will save you in this world or the afterlife because neither is true. "  This also makes no sense to me.  What form of Buddhism.  Chinese Buddhism is more of a philosophy (and it depends on the region), Japanese Buddhism is polytheistic and involves much idolatry.  Thai is also different, so is Indian.  But whatever, it seems like someone saying I am Christian but I do not believe Jesus existed.  Just too contradictory to have much depth.

#4..."You're the one with the strength." I wholeheartedly agree with this!

#5..."Start using it and quit the emotional uproar over the little man that has never helped you in this life." I mostly agree with 'start using it and quit the emotional uproar.'  I 150% disagree with the rest.

[vlunkk]

I mostly agree with 'start using it and quit the emotional uproar.'  I 150% disagree with the rest.

LOL
I felt almost the same way at first, I'm just wondering when you will start thinking about all that has been posted on this topic?

[dogmadestroyer]

I am surfacing an issue concerning conditioning and part 1 of the movie.  Part 1 was overly overtly supportive of paganism/astrological foundations as the true birth of human enlightenment. It also blamed monotheistic religions for causing all deception in the world (I may be exaggerating but not by much).  These 2 principals are distinctly mirrors of the "forth world strategy" found in Maurice Strong/David Rockefeller/Rothschild's planned NWO (see Hunt UNCED whistleblower video).  This to me is obvious conditioning and it would be nice if people knew that when watching it.

Obviously the powers at be want to take down the monotheistic belief systems now because its no longer as useful to divide and conquer if they want a world government. I do believe Christianity, like most of the other belief systems originated as an eclectic religion from its neighbors and that it was pushed into prominence for a uniting effect under the Roman Empire. What is being presented in Gaea worship is just a new opiate with no real power. However, the destroyed and hidden knowledge of many pagan cultures clearly is followed by the elite to a tee. If they are so successful, one would have to question if there was something to it. By dismissing their knowledge as 'evil' outright when it is merely being used for evil purposes in an evil manner may well be a huge mistake. I think the war on Christianity and Islam is pragmatic just as their usurpation for other purposes and nothing more.

[vlunkk]

blablabla

Is it too much to ask to re-read what you think to have to post before pressing the "POST"button?
Geezus.

[la Resistance]

The fact that some of you are getting offended by this movie is kind of scary.  You are aware that the reason why you need to have "faith" is because there is no actual way of proving your god or that Jesus even existed.  If you say The Bible, you do know that this book was printed AND written by humans right?

I'm Buddhist and I doubt that even Buddha existed so you need to start believing in yourself rather than some mythological character that you feel will save you in this world or the afterlife because neither is true.  You're the one with the strength.  Start using it and quit the emotional uproar over the little man that has never helped you in this life.

"How do you know?"

I would say but you're too stuck on the whole faith thing so you'd probably just think it's the devil's work.

#1: This whole discussion is away from what I would like it to be, RE: Zeitgeist. The problem I personally have with Zeitgeist is not with the film itself, but some of its' fans. The movie rightfully notes that modern Christianity has quite a few pagan heirlooms which unfortunately are given undue respect in the modern Church (as they say, "time sanctifies tradition") but to tell the truth, none of these facts should oppose Jesus and the writings of Paul, and the rest. The notes on the incorporation of pagan ideals are important and relevant; unfortunately too many (this means you) are so blinded by their dogma that they take it as an excuse to attack Christianity - rather than call to account the people who introduced the pagan rites in the first place.

#2: You're an American, and you doubt Buddha existed because you probably don't ever read anything longer than a text message. Jesus, Buddha, and even Kung Fu Tze were very real people, whose lives are exceptionally well documented. The texts supporting the testimony of Jesus' life are exhaustive; from negative Roman accounts, through to the positive writings of Josephus, through to a surviving original letter from the apostle Paul (not to mention several writers of the New Testament, some of whom did not know each other (and yet their accounts correlate)). Proof for Jesus' existence is very strong, for such an ancient figure.

#3: Don't talk about someone's life other than your own. You claim that you can only rely on (and know?) yourself, and then proceed to dictate to others the events of their lives - you state that the "little man" has never helped us as if you have lived our lives and not your own. Stay the hell out of my mind, 'cause you don't know Jack about it, Jack.

#4: You probably shouldn't finish such a post with an insult, if you want people to take you seriously. I would be interested to hear "how you know" - though you never really framed what we are "knowing".

Your doubleplus-ungood logic-(de)programming is on show, mate...

[EDIT - I wish to retract my note on Buddha's reality - further reading shows Buddha's story to be legend, rather than verifyable fact.]

[vlunkk]

seeing zafada's reaction... I guess it is. No room for discussion, the more scarier pictures, more chance to "WIN".

[lord edward coke]

Soley honey, I did NOT include Masonry, Theosophy, and Kabbala in that list of monotheistic faiths.   

grneyelady      i think your KARMA ran over his DOGMA 

[lord edward coke]

How is this "proof" of the existence of your god? Nothing but a futile attempt at adapting creationism to an even crazier theory, the big bang.

  ya just can't argue with the facts!   http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/index.shtml#creation_vs_evolution       

[creat3d]

  ya just can't argue with the facts!   http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/index.shtml#creation_vs_evolution       

What facts?


And the reason I asked Sane to explain himself was because he just said "I disagree" and I wanted to know why, that's all.

[lord edward coke]

No, darkness just was.

Read Genesis 1:1-5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201

nice try femacamper but you will have to do better than that.   #1   rule     PERSPECTIVE-  darkness was (WHERE?) over the surface of the deep.(whose perspective?   gods)  and the spirit of god was hovering over the waters.  (than) god said ''let there be light'' (god parted the clouds and allowed light to reach the surface of the earth.(all "EARTH" is covered with water at this point) light and darkness were ''made'' in gen 1:1 not at 1:3

[creat3d]

Who created the deep and the waters?

[lord edward coke]

I used to love reciting the philosophical BS in college, but time is precious and I almost get disgusted when i read that kind of stuff now.  We have no moments left to create fantastic liberal drum circles or feel the energy of the mystique abyss of love and peace. 

Hey everyone, Rockefeller is still killing the middle class and putting our troops into harms way.  He is still funding the genocide in Iraq, Darfur, Afghanistan, Zaire, New Orleans, etc.

You want to know who threw that puppy off the cliff?  It was not the soldier in the video.

IT WAS DAVID ROCKEFELLER!

Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it!

right on the money as usual ,sane. i looked into that psychic grid,reality illusion crap when i was 16 years old a positive dead end. they try to tell you that its all in your head................{your perception is that you are looking at the world out there.    but in reality the images are constructed in your brain.   its all inside your head.total $hit}  even at 16 i could see it to be god killing piffle. they state that if you stop "believing" in gravity you can levitate and other such blather.anyone sucked into that drivel has really got there head stuck up the a$$.  and i feel sorry for the load of bilge they are swilling.                   -----------------l.e.c.

[lord edward coke]

True, I need to further explain darkness.

Darkness comes as an absence of light. God created light, without light, you have darkness and without God, you are left in the dark!

i form light and CREATE darkness.....................god also creates evil.     as he is the final word on what is good and what is evil.  interesting verse.

[Overcast]

I want to believe in Jesus H. Christ like the next person does, Im not an atheist but science has already proven the earth to be far older then the bible lets on thanks to carbon dating. Im not even an evolutionist per se, although its a lot more plausible than some dude creating the earth in 7 days. I can even believe aliens propagating the earth with their seeds more than I can someone creating an entire planet with living breathing creatures, an atmosphere, etc all in 7 days.

On that - since the rest of the thread more or less followed this core topic.

What if.. say.. we believe that God created the world through evolution? Of course - neither side would ever agree with that... That's why I think all the much more, it's in fact - true.

There is plenty of solid justification to believe in a 'hypothesis' like this.

(These points make some assumptions, so just bear with it... )

First off - if one believes in an 'Omnipotent' God - then you must agree that God is perfect and doesn't change the way things are done. Why would you need to change a perfect process?

Today - life is still created through single cells - humans included. In sexual reproduction, it takes two cells, in asexual, a single cell splits, but requires single cells - nonetheless. All life, as we know it - anyway.
The order in which things are said to be created in Genesis makes sense from a scientific standpoint as well.

Let's say we make a pretty safe assumption of the order things would need to be created in:

First - you need energy and Matter - perhaps 'tangible energy' such as: And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light (Light is energy, of course... )

Then I suppose you would need to create specific chemicals and such: "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." (Does 'water' mean water specifically? Or could it be considered the various primordial 'soup' of chemicals that supposedly 'spark' life? Who knows - maybe only the end result was what was mentioned. Or perhaps there was no good reason to attempt to explain to people that lived thousands of years ago the differences between various chemicals needed for all of this. And of course - why would one 'separate water from water' unless we are simply talking about a variety of liquids and gasses. There had to be some significant difference there.)

I guess then after that, you might want to separate the environment a bit more - like maybe the formation of land masses and the like. "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." (Perhaps some geothermal activity caused something like a volcano... that physically separated dry land from the lands under the water.. )

Maybe then, it could be assumed that vegetation would appear. After all - even at Chernobyl, we know well vegetation will adapt before anything else. Not to mention it's basically a 'life support' system for everything else. "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds."

It might seen after all this vegetation sprouts up, perhaps it might start to form a distinct atmosphere. "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, (The statement seems to be from the viewpoint of a particular planet. I have a feeling the stars existed already, or were forming... Heck - they are forming and dying as we speak; but perhaps there was a key point to where solar energy was able to penetrate the atmosphere and likely had a very critical role in the next steps... )

What is next said to happen? Life forms in the seas and air - begins to slowly evolve into land based creatures as well.. "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."
(*Note - no life on land here - just in the water and in the air. )

But then, the very next step - well, life is now on land. "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." *Note... Let the land produce [Read that well. Why is that mentioned that the land produced living creatures? (The King James states the same point, differently: Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind)]

And - like he had planned - from day one - a creature called 'Man' appeared. (26) Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,  and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

 (27) So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.

******

Now - let's say we liken it to a project you are working on. Let's say your intent is to make a car. You know - one of those car kits.

From day one - you know exactly what you are building. But as you assemble the pieces - it's not a car... It's a chassis, body, engine, interior.. but until the project is done, you are "working on a car". You know full well what your end result will be - it's planned, but things must first go in a logical order - but at a point, your final product is a car. You can then get in there and drive it. But as it's taking shape, you couldn't really call it a 'car'. Perhaps a 'car project' or you are 'building a car', but with pieces lying all over - it's no more of a car at that stage than an iron block is... from the purest sense.

Is it so very crazy to say we did evolve and that at some point, God seen that 'man' resulted from his project and it was time to put in a soul?

Yeah.. maybe it is crazy. But it's odd... how it seems to fit. If nothing else - you might be inclined to ask - why it's taken thousands of years of scientific study to determine how evolution worked - but Genesis was already written in pretty much the correct order - before man even knew why (scientifically) fire really burns... (rapid oxidization).

I don't think - even for one second it goes against God's word, nor does it take one gram of substance away from the fact of who's creation is actually is.

That's ok - flame away and feel free to commit me for 'insane thinking'.

[echoes]

i form light and CREATE darkness.....................god also creates evil.     as he is the final word on what is good and what is evil.  interesting verse.

yes indeed.
if you read the link i posted before (http://www.beingjewish.com/basics/satan.html), this verse would make more sense.

[Dan]

I thought this thread was about Zeitgiest not whether or not your religon is true.  For that topic I redirect those interested to this thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=10700.msg41597#msg41597

Good luck there.

Dan

[zafada]

No problem...

#1...I am not offended by the movie and appreciate the parts other than part 1.  I am surfacing an issue concerning conditioning and part 1 of the movie.  Part 1 was overly overtly supportive of paganism/astrological foundations as the true birth of human enlightenment. It also blamed monotheistic religions for causing all deception in the world (I may be exaggerating but not by much).  These 2 principals are distinctly mirrors of the "forth world strategy" found in Maurice Strong/David Rockefeller/Rothschild's planned NWO (see Hunt UNCED whistleblower video).  This to me is obvious conditioning and it would be nice if people knew that when watching it.

#2..."You are aware that the reason why you need to have "faith" is because there is no actual way of proving your god or that Jesus even existed." This does not even make sense to me.  It is a cyclical argument like the chicken and the egg yet it is not relevant concerning me (at least I have 'faith' it is not.).  I have faith because I choose to have faith.  Nothing more and nothing less.  If Zafada chooses not to have faith, or have faith in something else, then that is his choice.  The constitution and the liberty position allows both Zafada and I to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness while holding disparate beliefs.  But if you strictly wish to go down the logical argument road, just because no one can prove that Saddam Hussein did not absolutely have WMDs does not mean that he had them. 

#3..."I'm Buddhist and I doubt that even Buddha existed so you need to start believing in yourself rather than some mythological character that you feel will save you in this world or the afterlife because neither is true. "  This also makes no sense to me.  What form of Buddhism.  Chinese Buddhism is more of a philosophy (and it depends on the region), Japanese Buddhism is polytheistic and involves much idolatry.  Thai is also different, so is Indian.  But whatever, it seems like someone saying I am Christian but I do not believe Jesus existed.  Just too contradictory to have much depth.

#4..."You're the one with the strength." I wholeheartedly agree with this!

#5..."Start using it and quit the emotional uproar over the little man that has never helped you in this life." I mostly agree with 'start using it and quit the emotional uproar.'  I 150% disagree with the rest.

Buddhism is dubbed a religion however whenever someone calls it a religion I say it is not, because it isn't.  The knowledge and techniques you find in Buddhism are methods of overcoming the self through meditation, martial arts, etc.  I have not seen these methods in any other idea.  Buddhism is a refined Hinduism though so it has religious roots and based on the fact that there ARE gods and such in Buddhism would commonly classify it as a religion.  Buddhism is an atheist philosophy really..  Even though gods exist, a creator god does not.  They see it as a machine that is infinite.  They also say how praying to gods is not suggested considering gods have power where in every case power can cause corruption.  They also describe them as "jealous" beings.  So concerning enlightenment, any one sentient being can become powerful enough as to attain the power of a god or goddess but even this is not advised.  The path the Dalai Lama suggests is that of the bodhisattava which is an enlightened being who has chosen to remain in the cycle of rebirth to free other sentient beings of suffering.

So I appologize, when I say Buddhism I am referring to Tibetan Mahayana Buddhism.  The Buddhists (Tibetan, maybe others however I do not study any other form.) also have a remedy for those who do not wish to pray to the enlightened ones which is called deity yoga.  It is where you meditate however instead of visualizing Avilokiteshvara (the Buddha of compassion commonly known as Quan Yin who was born female yet once enlightened took the form of a male) you would visualize yourself within a glowing positive light.  This is actually very helpful also in awakening the chakras which can cause side effects such as astral projection, ESP, and believe it or not...seeing with your eyes closed.  Only through experience you will figure this out.

Another important aspect of Buddhism is how it is very important to not reside on faith except for one instance.  Even though the Dalai Lama suggests that you should have faith in karma just in case, he advises that all areas of Buddhism should be explored and proven because they simply can be.  Karma is an exception because the results of karma can be seen all around us however someone without the ability to see this must try to have faith in it because of the possible consequences.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the whole "little man" statement because that's not very fair.  I just don't enjoy seeing humans bow down to anyone.  That's seriously my main problem with religions.  I went to the Quan Yin monostary in New York and I saw people bowing and praying as if they're weak, even my father figure did this.  He told me too but I declined.  I'm not sure how this is taken in Buddhism, maybe as an insult..but either way I see it as a sign of weakness.  Yeah I know, I got issues.  One day I'm sure I will bow down but I'm sure I can attain the blessings of the Buddhas by doing good deeds and ensuring the survival of my loved ones and more importantly, my enemies.  Actually, sometimes I'm not too sure that my enemies should be alive 

Thanks for the input.

[zafada]

#1: This whole discussion is away from what I would like it to be, RE: Zeitgeist. The problem I personally have with Zeitgeist is not with the film itself, but some of its' fans. The movie rightfully notes that modern Christianity has quite a few pagan heirlooms which unfortunately are given undue respect in the modern Church (as they say, "time sanctifies tradition") but to tell the truth, none of these facts should oppose Jesus and the writings of Paul, and the rest. The notes on the incorporation of pagan ideals are important and relevant; unfortunately too many (this means you) are so blinded by their dogma that they take it as an excuse to attack Christianity - rather than call to account the people who introduced the pagan rites in the first place.

#2: You're an American, and you doubt Buddha existed because you probably don't ever read anything longer than a text message. Jesus, Buddha, and even Kung Fu Tze were very real people, whose lives are exceptionally well documented. The texts supporting the testimony of Jesus' life are exhaustive; from negative Roman accounts, through to the positive writings of Josephus, through to a surviving original letter from the apostle Paul (not to mention several writers of the New Testament, some of whom did not know each other (and yet their accounts correlate)). Proof for Jesus' existence is very strong, for such an ancient figure.

#3: Don't talk about someone's life other than your own. You claim that you can only rely on (and know?) yourself, and then proceed to dictate to others the events of their lives - you state that the "little man" has never helped us as if you have lived our lives and not your own. Stay the hell out of my mind, 'cause you don't know Jack about it, Jack.

#4: You probably shouldn't finish such a post with an insult, if you want people to take you seriously. I would be interested to hear "how you know" - though you never really framed what we are "knowing".

Your doubleplus-ungood logic-(de)programming is on show, mate...

[EDIT - I wish to retract my note on Buddha's reality - further reading shows Buddha's story to be legend, rather than verifyable fact.]

I'm not questioning your beliefs and I know I had somewhat of an arrogant tone.  This was explained in my previous post.  Ah screw it, this is my point.  Am I offended that you call Buddha a legend?  No, therefore you shouldn't be offended I called Jesus as such.

I'm not sure if there is any reliable evidence that Jesus did exist.  Supposedly there are relics dating 2500 years back which prove Buddha to be real but even that I doubt.

[lord edward coke]

Who created the deep and the waters?

god almighty, creator of the universe,stop fighting him and get to know him.

[Novus Ordo]

god almighty, creator of the universe,stop fighting him and get to know him.

Will he send me to Hell if I don't?

[Femacamper]

Will he send me to Hell if I don't?

Hell is the absence of God.

[Novus Ordo]

Hell is the absence of God.

I must be in Hell then.../sigh

[Femacamper]

I must be in Hell then.../sigh

Not yet, God still is here with us.

BTW...let's continue this religious discussion on the religious thread:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=10700.360

[cold fusion]

Re:

"Hell is the absence of God."

Ah-h-h...  not a very good definition.

Lots of people WISH they could get away from God both now and for eternity, and some even seem to succeed temporarily, when God gives them over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1).  In the Tribulation they will try to hide from Him, even calling out to the rocks and the mountains to fall them and hide them from God.


If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10   The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11   And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

[lord edward coke]

Will he send me to Hell if I don't?

  THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

[dogmadestroyer]

  THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

I loled.

[zafada]

I loled.

Loled is correctness.  Thus Abraham speaks of such LOLing and says ye shall be glorious and gay.  Sorry,  I'm really just joking around. 

[White Rose Sophie]

Loled is correctness.  Thus Abraham speaks of such LOLing and says ye shall be glorious and gay.  Sorry,  I'm really just joking around. 

Zafada, be careful.

You ARE within smiting distance.   

[thrashbassist]

You ARE within smiting distance.   

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[White Rose Sophie]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Excellent thrashie!!!!!

See? No better proof that there is a GOD who loves us and wants us to be happy than Monty Python. 

OOps. sorry, wrong thread.