Zeitgiest II Coming October 2008 - Why Now?

[den carts]

I guess this is why people who investigate conspiracies get such a bad name - the religious nuts who join in and contribute nothing other than their crazy talk.

You wanna know the difference between the MIT professor who talks about 911 being a demolition and you people?

He talks about facts, experiments, computer models and analysis of available data and brings an enormous amount to the table.

You do nothing but make accusations with zero to back them up.
You people should be taking your meds regularly keeping quiet since you have nothing to contribute. You're all just like Ms. Carmody in the stephen king movie that came out last year, the mist.

Here this is for you:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r09QBnpXRAs

[chris jones]

This Nation has been raped to the core.

Since 911, the abomination. We have definelty lost our rights as US citizens.
This began with the assassination of JFK,RFK,& MLK. Americans coffin was fabricated, and we know it.
Only one reason stands for the assassintion, others exist, however the main focus is they were a light in the world of darkness. They each attempted to halt the war in Vietnam.
The assassinations were not visions of the OK Coral in the open guns blaring, they were planed orchestrated and completed. The dupes, each mental misfits or controled subject, or both. These murders were precise, a success and each had a patsy on the hook. The limelight was directed towards the Goverments dilgence in securing the murderers.
They won the hearts and minds of the peole, gained their war in Nam and created fortunes beyond our comprehension. Regardless of the 65,000 of Americas sons killed, or the 3 million innocents in Vietnam. This was their crowning glory, their key to unlimited funding and power.
Marching and demonstrations eventualy assisted in ending their war for profit . However not untill their empire had been accumilated their fortunes and power over us. This proves to me their was govenment complicity, call it Zionism, illuminati,Zeidgist, or whatever terms you feel inclined to. This was Government involvment, coverups, and our power, our elected officials and oath taking Gov. Lackeys at work. With out Goverment complicity this would never have happened.
Therfor, not being a detective, I place the blame on our beloved GOV. They contibuted and bent the truths to their needs, in order to convince the people they are our protectors, and to give them our trust and very souls.
911, similar to the JFK assassination, on a larger scale if one exists. Prepared, Goverment involvment, and a patsy to blame. A boogey man , our boogey man Osamn Bin Laden.
Iraq, Lies, Deceptions, nonexistant WMD's, non existant Taliban connection, in fact total innocence in this case. Propagandist artists commneced their convincing of the people, Iraq became our most dangerous enemy. Bush at the time, provided the actorship and rhetoric to convince the people, FEAR & retribution the tool.
And so the war continues, the innocents die, our troppers are used as cannon fodder and numbers only. Yet it continues.
WHY.
We as a nation were conned, by pros., those who call themselfs our leaders. Personaly my focus of guilt is upon them, did they not manipulate us into a war, did they not lie to the Nation and world, are they not guilty of treason, genocide, war crimes, and constitutional law.

To concern ourselfs, who is the puppet master, who is aiding and abbeting these creatures is not the point. Once we ,(if it is possible given our make believe politicians,) bring down these traitors the true minds and groups if you will, are and will be exposed.
My point, the feet of clay is within our nation itself, why attack the head, or even waste time searching for those behind these traitors.
Bring the traitors down they are right in front of us, and you will have your groups you so diligently search for. It begins with the first step, US, MARCH, prove we have morals and are not deceived by their rhetoric. Though they do not admit this, they are in fear and dread of a nation awoken to their treason, America United, not divided as they assume we are.
Their kingdoms are built upon lies and the deception of American citizens, expose the traitors and we will of couse find the rats leaving the sinking ship, or the puppet masters.
The storm brewing is ours, we can end this regime, however all great movements begin with the first step, MARCH. or SUBMIT.
Let your conscince guide you, be with courage and do not fear thsi plague upon our nation, we are the cure.

[Amd304912]

You wanna know the difference between the MIT professor who talks about 911 being a demolition and you people?

he works for the cia?

[dogmadestroyer]

Another thread of paranoia, batshit fundi rambling, and stupidity just killed a few more of my brain cells. Thanks guys.

[Amd304912]

Nothing but a futile attempt at adapting creationism to an even crazier theory, the big bang.

so where is this planet of the apes we come from then? wheres the ape man skeletons? darwin couldn't prove his way out of a room.

[bennyxbo]

Zeitgeist is disinfo because the 9/11 portion does not place the blame where it is due, on Israel and Zionists in the US...and that goes for Loose Change also.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w0hmhLycNyQ
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israel_9-11_index.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315296.shtml
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/8/cheering_movers_and_art_student_spies
http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NdnaPGbNFZc&feature=related

Jews/zionists are just a chess peice in the NWO master plan, just as arabs are, and gullible Christians are, and the mexican illegal. It was the British Empire who brought us Zionism, and today we are fighting the systems of tyranny the British empire perfected in other counties.

You are in denial if you avoid placing some of the blame for 9/11 on regular white people of anglo-saxson descent.

[Amd304912]

You are in denial if you avoid placing some of the blame for 9/11 on regular white people of anglo-saxson descent.

yep no mossad, right?

[bennyxbo]

yep no mossad, right?

Absolutely involved, just like Francesco Cossiga said :

“ From circles around Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is testified from the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda would have been the author of the attack of the 11 September to the Twin Towers in New York, while all of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, with in the forefront those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan. For this, no word of solidarity arrived to Silvio Berlusconi, who has been the author of the brilliant falsification, neither from the Quirinale, nor from Palazzo Chigi, nor from representatives of the centre-left! ”

But even if you took all the Jews out of the equation, you would still have the NWO.

The Queen of England had just as much to gain from 9/11 as the neocons and the Zionists..Frankly, I find there is not near enough Queen/Royalty bashing on this forum and the AJ show when they have had the power historically, and plenty of it today.

[la Resistance]

I guess this is why people who investigate conspiracies get such a bad name - the religious nuts who join in and contribute nothing other than their crazy talk.

You wanna know the difference between the MIT professor who talks about 911 being a demolition and you people?

He talks about facts, experiments, computer models and analysis of available data and brings an enormous amount to the table.

You do nothing but make accusations with zero to back them up.
You people should be taking your meds regularly keeping quiet since you have nothing to contribute. You're all just like Ms. Carmody in the stephen king movie that came out last year, the mist.

Here this is for you:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r09QBnpXRAs

Why not just keep your nose out, if it bothers you that much?

We don't "make accusations with zero to back them up"; 'we' analyze things from 'our' paradigm; the inverted commas are there to point out the sense of division you're bringing here too, especially when the original poster dealt with that very issue, you idiot. "Religious nuts" contribute a lot more than "crazy talk" and if we were to leave, you might find this a considerably more lonely battle... Would Alex's boards exist?

Besides that, I'm sick and tired of these atheist and agnostic dirtbags who think they can contribute to our conversations while refusing to see the big picture.

See? It goes both ways, jerk. You don't catch us belittling your worldview right here do you? You had to make the first strike and butt-in on an issue you disagree with; well, that's fine, but you could have done it in a far more polite manner. And everyone knows that there are far more distracting groups than the religious groups... You only need to read forums such as ATS to see how far off-track people can pull themselves.

[Biggs]

yep no mossad, right?

plenty of Mossad, however, that does not make them behind it, merely part of the plot, just another vehicle being used by the elites to get their way.

p.s. I agree fully with DCubed here, if Zeitgeist is so divisive why is it only evangelical Christians who complain about it and start very long and boring threads about it?

you will not get many European christians getting in on the act, they can take it for what it is and get on with their day without feeling like they are being attacked.

And as for calling the Bible fact, now that is pushing the limit a bit guys, it was compiled by a Roman Emporer in 325 AD for chissake.

I am not saying the general message is not worthwhile, however, to declare your preferred rewrite of a book compiled 1700 years ago by a very corrupt man as being fact above all else  is not reasonable, although you have a right to BELIEVE what you want your faith is just that FAITH, indeed Jesus himself made comments that you have to have FAITH, he did not say anything about declaring your preferred translation and retranslation of his words and lots of other people's words to be FACT and denouncing all else.

anyway, that is my two pennies worth

[lord edward coke]

Great points!

Maybe he beieves, "DO AS THOU WILT IS THE WHOLE OF THE LAW"?

  right right right---  can't address that as it exposes the kabbilist inside.

[PatriotX]

Who said anything about "FACT" Biggs?   I said we are following the "script"-ure here.  My words seem to be lost on you guys.  Probably because I am not spending countless hours trying to fully explain what I mean in extremely long and exhaustive essays. 

Additionally, I don't see how this disclosure of their methods is irrelevant when it is at the CORE of what is happening... Den Carts.

We are ALL having our strings pulled constantly.  And to me, this thread just continues to demonstrate as much.

But yes,  I do believe in GOD.  And yes, I do believe that TRUTH and LOVE will lead us to all understanding.  Again.  How is that an endorsement of the Bible as FACT??? 


To others, I have posted a good deal more information regarding the implementation of this global strategy (in other threads) apart from the pyschology (I think just as important) in this thread used to divide us.  It is by no means senseless fundi ramblings when I explain how religions are important to their agenda every bit as much as the controlled opposition to "religion" is ALSO part of their overall goal to divide and conquer.

But we are mostly divided because we do not fully LOVE and fully tell and/or endorse the TRUTH!  We are mostly divided because we have been intentionally led astray.  Hence the immediate attacks on me and others in this thread without knowing my intent or desire to help.


Patriot X

(Anyway.  Call me what you want.  In the end.  I have spoken the truth.  Forgive me for entertaining these comments further demonstrating only to some that a "fundi" has lost some manner of restraint and committed the gross error of arguing his case in the face of negligible return on that investment.)

[lord edward coke]

that's a good question.  i had never thought about this before.  but i guess angels are not considered part of creation then are they?  (when viewed from a christian perspective).  they would be equal with jesus in a sense cuz they would have had to have been around forever like jesus was with god.  (which is something that was discussed & decided {aka nicene creed} in a council when the church had to "unify" the beliefs & books into a single canon).

this is a great explanation of judaism's view of satan.

satan and the devil are not the same thing when compared from an objective/neutral perspective.  (if you have researched the history of devil in regards to judaism & christianity, you'd know this already).

angels are created being(lucifer and/satan) god the son inhabits eternity(always is)

[PatriotX]

Now.  Let's see where the rest of you want to take this.  Can we learn anything?  I will make good on refraining from further comment.  Tear me to shreds now if you like.


Patriot X   

[Biggs]

I was not singling you out PatriotX, that was not at all my intention, I respect people's faith I am just no big on proclamations of Biblical fundamentalism - i.e. absolute literal belief in every biblical word as fact, in my view (and Jesus himself backs me up on this one) it is a question of faith.

Although I would agree that the Bible's record on prophecies is pretty good.

[Biggs]

what i really mean is that at no point does Zeitgeisty say that jesus was not the son of God or that what he is reputed to have done or said is false.

Merely they point out stuff like 25th December being an astrological holiday, or that other cultures and their religious stories had similar themes, it makes it quite obvious that christianity amongst others, has been manipulated by man to fulfill the objectives of man and not God.

I hope to see the next release spell this out more clearly and hence avoid the arguments, I believe this was a design fault by the film makers rather than a psyops as it is a superbly produced truth movie, it just happens not to be from a christian angle, but from a multifaith angle, and that is the only way to reach a wide enough audience these days.

This is also the reason why people such as Dr Walter Veith are not huge, as they come from too limited an angle for most people outside of the midwest and southern USA.

Most people do not see christianity as "the one truth", especially given the fact that there are lots and lots of radically different versions of christianity. And we cannot get away from the fact that christianity has been used by man to fulfill man's agendas and not God's.

[ringo78]

"GOOD" and "EVIL"

Good and Evil are not physical things that you can grasp.  I also do not believe true Evil exists.  I do believe in true Good,  that being God.  But there is no true Evil,  think about it,  no matter what sin you do there is always some good you will experience out of it.  Let me try and explain this.  Please do not get the wrong idea what I am suggesting,  I just can not think of a better way to describe it than like this,  say you were to rape a women,  ok,  obviously a sin and wrong.  The rapists is going to feel pleasure in doing so as warped as it may seem.  Is pleasure Evil?  The way it was arrived at was wrong and a sin.  But it was done for a good feeling.  Another way of putting it that might make more sense is that there is light but no darkness,  darkness is just the absence of light.  God created the universe and everything in it and it was "very good".  He did not create Evil,  we ate of the fruit ourselves and brought free will upon us.  God is truth,  when we disregard truth we believe a lie.  The lie is not real,  but we believe it.   When we believe a lie that is a sin.  Sin brings forth death according to scriptures.  Some might say death is evil.  Death was caused by believing in a lie.  God did not create that lie,  we choose the lie,  which is just disregarding God,  with our free will. 

[lord edward coke]

god created darkness also.

[Dan]

I have heard many things about this movie.  I have yet to see it.  Is it worth watching in the big scheme of the Truth Movement? or is it a side note, filled with debatable information that will turn some people off yet inflame others?  You guys have me torn now as to watch or not.

Dan

[creat3d]

so where is this planet of the apes we come from then? wheres the ape man skeletons? darwin couldn't prove his way out of a room.

So you can't imagine any serious possibilities outside of creationism? I never mentioned Darwin, nor any "planet of the apes".

[creat3d]

Go ahead and watch it. If only for the NWO part, it's definately worth it. As for the first third of the movie, I personnally loved it, I don't believe 100% of it but it is worth a watch.

[dogmadestroyer]

Always give an arguement a proper hearing out. Worst case scenario: you wasted some time. Best case scenario: you gain a deeper understanding on a subject.

[redpills1]

Any info of Israel and Zionists not being responsible for 9/11 is disinfo.  Most of the time, the source of this disinfo are Jewish and you fall for it like a bunch of suckers.

[Amd304912]

Any info of Israel and Zionists not being responsible for 9/11 is disinfo.  Most of the time, the source of this disinfo are Jewish and you fall for it like a bunch of suckers.

i bet they are eating blue pills (tylonol)

zionists cause blowback.

[redpills1]

i bet they are eating blue pills (tylonol)

zionists cause blowback.

It is not from blowback, the Zionists DID 9/11.  Review the links:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w0hmhLycNyQ
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israel_9-11_index.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315296.shtml
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/8/cheering_movers_and_art_student_spies
http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NdnaPGbNFZc&feature=related

[Dan]

It is one thing to say that the Zionists are behind 9-11, and another thing altogether to say that the Jews are behind 9-11.

That is the same as the government saying that Muslims were behind it.

It creates a feeling of hatred towards a generic group of people without a true basis.  Just because you are Jewish doesn't mean that you are a Zionist as much as being Muslim doesn't mean you are a radical extremist.

Generalization of a specific group of people is one of the hardest arguments I encounter while talking with people about the truth movement.  We argue that all Muslims are not terrorists yet are easily taken to calling all "Jews" Zionists.

Tread carefully folks.  Talk like that is counterproductive to the goal of waking others to the truth.

Just a thought.

Dan

ps. Thanks for the advice on the movie.

[The_Dude]

After listening to Ron Paul on Coast to Coast and speaking of defending freedom of religion and protecting religious diversity or something along those lines. I find it kind of funny there is so much finger pointing when it comes to that topic in this message board.

[Femacamper]

FWIW, here is the statistical breakdown of the faiths:

According to the 2005 survey of Encyclopædia Britannica, the vast majority of religious and spiritual adherents follow Christianity (33.06% of world population), Islam (20.28%), Hinduism (13.33%), Chinese folk religion (6.27%) or Buddhism (5.87%). The irreligious and atheists are 14.27% and 3.97% follow indigenous tribal religions.



I'm not sure how that applies to those on this forum - I'm guessing we're closer to a 50/50 split on monotheists versus all other types. Perhaps more.

[monkeyboy]

Although I would agree that the Bible's record on prophecies is pretty good.

Care to name a few?

[Femacamper]

For anyone who's interested, there's a poll on this forum regarding belief systems:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=32747.0

I think everyone should have their say.

[Amishism]

Care to name a few?

70 Weeks of Daniel foretold the Coming of Messiah Christ Jesus 500 years before it happened, and several other events.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=29710.msg120878#msg120878
The Books of Daniel and Revelation tell of four earthly kingdoms that would rule until the Second Coming.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=29710.msg121476#msg121476

[Femacamper]

god created darkness also.

No, darkness just was.

Read Genesis 1:1-5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201

[Amishism]

Great!
Maybe if we could pin a couple of these threads someone won't have to keep starting new ones and we can move on to other topics.

[DCUBED]

Oh no, Paul Watson used the word "Zeitgeist" in one of his articles. He must be a psy-op for the NWO. 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/271107_endgame_zeitgeist.htm

[thrashbassist]

I'm not sure how that applies to those on this forum - I'm guessing we're closer to a 50/50 split on monotheists versus all other types. Perhaps more.

That's probably about right, give or take a bit.

[Dig]

Falsehood of universalism? How can one falsify the universal moment and your implicit connection to it? Why even attempt to deny that implicit connection between all things? It's undeniable... How would one not be manifested from the "origin"? Did you somehow not come from your mother's womb, and her from hers', or me from mine? All essence is one, and the same...

"Opposition, distinction, pronunciation, conflict all result of dividing things apart, they are products of grouping order. Oppositely, unity, similarity, harmony, and symmetry results of blending things together evenly. These basic patterns actually represent the basic reality that we exist within."

I don't know if i buy all that stuff

I mean, sure the everything, nothing, all the same, all different philosophical mumbo jumbo seems fine and dandy....but deception is evil and murder is murder.  you cannot philosophically argue away wholesale carnage by pointing out the ying/yang of life. 

I think the point of the concern over zeitgeist is the opening of a doorway to a grander and more intense deception that the BS war on terrorism.

There is an over 100 year plan to abolish the 1st amendment including the freedom of religion.  Project bluebeam plays nicely into it.  zeitgeist part I is overly obvious in its wholesale attack on judeochistianislamic faiths.  It also is overly overtly supportive of paganism/astrological foundations as the true birth of human enlightenment.  Hopefully it woke up a lot of people to 9/11 and the tyrannical federal reserve, but if the cost is freedom of religion then that bill is way too high.

the conditioning always preempts the events.

true lies
the siege
the peacemaker
etc.

zeitgeist and others are nice conditioning for project bluebeam. 

maybe the planned fantastical laser light show is another reason for all the fricking metallic chemtrails.

[Dig]

Any info of Israel and Zionists not being responsible for 9/11 is disinfo.  Most of the time, the source of this disinfo are Jewish and you fall for it like a bunch of suckers.

any info of "sources of this disinfo are jewish" is disinfo

rothschild, silverstein, kissinger, rockefeller, buffett, cheney, beatrice, clinton, swarzinazi, deutche bank, CACI, BCCI, Krull, hart, bush, abromoff's guys, and others played key roles in 9/11.

what we need is a new investigation

[Amd304912]

yep, that supercold galaxy stuff is garbage, its about cold/hot matter star wars stuff.

good to see you post sane, i was havin trouble reading that.

[Dig]

yep, that supercold galaxy stuff is garbage, its about cold/hot matter star wars stuff.

good to see you post sane, i was havin trouble reading that.

I used to love reciting the philosophical BS in college, but time is precious and I almost get disgusted when i read that kind of stuff now.  We have no moments left to create fantastic liberal drum circles or feel the energy of the mystique abyss of love and peace. 

Hey everyone, Rockefeller is still killing the middle class and putting our troops into harms way.  He is still funding the genocide in Iraq, Darfur, Afghanistan, Zaire, New Orleans, etc.

You want to know who threw that puppy off the cliff?  It was not the soldier in the video.

IT WAS DAVID ROCKEFELLER!

Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it!

[Amd304912]

I used to love reciting the philosophical BS in college, but time is precious and I almost get disgusted when i read that kind of stuff now.  We have no moments left to create fantastic liberal drum circles or feel the energy of the mystique abyss of love and peace. 

Hey everyone, Rockefeller is still killing the middle class and putting our troops into harms way.  He is still funding the genocide in Iraq, Darfur, Afghanistan, Zaire, New Orleans, etc.

You want to know who threw that puppy off the cliff?  It was not the soldier in the video.

IT WAS DAVID ROCKEFELLER!

Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it!

dude more input. lol.

i think we are getting more occupied by info about the pope having rockerfeller for breakfast in bed then any current relevant info.

i hope things get better.