Zeitgiest II Coming October 2008 - Why Now?

[PatriotX]

Yes.  I fully expect so.  And coupled with WWIII to put the final nail in the coffin on humanity the world over, while the masses will have been fully trained in their hatred for Jews and Christians real or not... 


Unfortunate and sad as it is.

Patriot X

[Red7Paladin]

I'll repost this from the other Zeitgeist thread:

The Illuminists are most likely taught that their ancestors/forebearers wrote the Bible in order to control the masses, thereby insuring that none of them will take it seriously.  Now they are simply passing on their own self-deception to the rest of us.

[LIbertAS]

The Illuminists are most likely taught that their ancestors/forebearers wrote the Bible in order to control the masses, thereby insuring that none of them will take it seriously.  Now they are simply passing on their own self-deception to the masses.

For the record the "masses" of the U.S. are Christians whom I do not see changing their minds about their religion due to an internet movie. Everyone should just relax and enjoy the one human "religion" we can all somewhat agree on, and that is Freedom. Seems to me some Christians are freaking out  too much over this movie. Let people make their own minds up over what they believe, if someone follows this "zeigeist" religion as someone called it then so what, it is not your business to interfere, it never will be. Fight for freedom, not for Religion.

[PatriotX]

I will also make another prediction.  Because of this type of lunacy in the minds of men seeking to rationalize and justify their wickedness, many will find it plausible to further rationalize the soon to be implemented RFID/bio-chip technology, even so far as taking and receiving the "MARK of the BEAST" identified in the Bible, because they will presume it to be nothing but a bunch of mind-control propaganda.  Ironically, this very thing, the likes of which so-called truth documentaries like "Zeitgeist" seek to expose (mind-control and propoganda), will ultimately backfire with devilish irony and evil usurpation.

What a hideous soul TRAP!


Patriot X

[Aden]

I suspect that the documentary named Zeitgeist so threatened the establishment, that they refuse to acknowledge/publicize it by attempting to discredit it.  Furthermore, I suspect the "other" Zeitgeists are named such to create confusion on the net.  The word zeitgeist is not a common name, so its easy to find the one thing named that on the net with a simple search.  So the elite make the Smashing Pumpkins name an album Zeitgeist and the others to attempt to confuse potential viewers away from seeing it.

[Joe(WI)]

I think its "The DaVinci Code, pt II". They seem to take what we stubbornly refuse to believe lie wise, say "Ok, its true, but this is ALSO TRUE..." Ugh, I hate the whole ball of wax.

[DCUBED]

This is ridiculous... Now The Smashing Pumpkins are in on the conspiracy.    Zeitgeist hasn't divided the 9/11 Truth Movement as far as I can tell. It's just these Christian Fundamentalists that get a hair up their ass anytime someone questions them.  9/11 Truth and religion are two different things all together.

If you have any proof that this movie has divided anything.

BTW, you do know what's going to happen now that you made a post about Zeitgeist. 

[Librium]

The Elite are naming the Smashing pumpkins albums?!!

Come on guys, paranoid much?

[pac522]

Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist.

Could his second greatest trick be convincing the world that Jesus doesn't exist?

[DCUBED]

Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist.

Could his second greatest trick be convincing the world that Jesus doesn't exist?

What if you don't believe in Satan?

[White Rose Sophie]

I understand it is for all human beings, I just wish some of them could realize it. They seem to think anyone who isn't Christian is NWO or brainwashed by them. Then I guess I would be considered NWO then. Too bad because this controlling attitude has turned so many off to what we should be fighting. You lose allies when you infight people. This thread merely started out to point out a new Zeigeist movie and it was trampled on by people doing "God's" work. It then became a pissing contest for both sides, no progress has been made in either direction.
 

Quite true. The old divide and conquer.  Unfortunately, what most people don't realize that the true enemy of the NWO is monotheistic belief, whether orthodox  following of the Torah (NOT the Talmud), Islam, or true Christianity.  One of their stated goals is the destruction of existing belief systems...so that THEY can 'remake' MAN to THEIR model.

It's not just religious monotheistic faiths they are out to destroy, but also the unit of "family", and nationalism.  Why?  Because those are things that people profess LOYALTY to, and are willing to FIGHT FOR. Those are basic to man's IDENTITY and self-view.  So, THOSE must be destroyed to give man a 'different' self-view.

Perhaps that is why so many 'Christians' view Zeitgeist as a NWO tool.  Because that is exactly what is happening here, no?   

[Aden]

Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist.

Could his second greatest trick be convincing the world that Jesus doesn't exist?

Could his 3rd greatest trick be convincing the world that Santa Claus doesn't exist?
Maybe his 4th greatest trick was convincing the world that Zeus never existed...?

[DCUBED]

Alex uses the word "zeitgeist" all the time. He used it the other day on his show.

I guess he's part of the Zeitgeist conspiracy now too. 

[SolSkye]

Quite true. The old divide and conquer.  Unfortunately, what most people don't realize that the true enemy of the NWO is monotheistic belief, whether orthodox  following of the Torah (NOT the Talmud), Islam, or true Christianity.  One of their stated goals is the destruction of existing belief systems...so that THEY can 'remake' MAN to THEIR model.

It's not just religious monotheistic faiths they are out to destroy, but also the unit of "family", and nationalism.  Why?  Because those are things that people profess LOYALTY to, and are willing to FIGHT FOR. Those are basic to man's IDENTITY and self-view.  So, THOSE must be destroyed to give man a 'different' self-view.

Perhaps that is why so many 'Christians' view Zeitgeist as a NWO tool.  Because that is exactly what is happening here, no?   

Exactly.

As one perceives themselves within their finite shell with their finite senses it's real easy to get caught up in the output and think that the buck stops with you. Let's entertain the concepts, 'you' and 'I', for a quick second. What does that signify? Something outside your current definition of 'self', and what you can easily relate to as 'self'... so again, we come back to one's own willingness and perceptions. It's just a question of how open and ready you are to relate to everyone as yourself, or not?

It's impossible to prove me or anyone wrong on any stance of where 'they' and 'you' stand, because technically both parties are right and wrong in their own right, since it's all a matter of their own perception. That's all we ever deal in, and with. Once you attempt to falsify one's perceptions, deny them existing, or attempt to call them explainable variables you enter the realm of absurdity since you are using the very perceptions to assign labels into the nature of themselves. If you have to give it a label, you don't understand, and if you put it into words, the meaning is already lost.

It's like the one of the cells of a fly's eye denying and debating about how separate and different each of the sections of the perceiving eye is, and the other saying we are actually all connected to the fly...


If that's what the parts of the eye choose to look at, that's what they'll see. If they choose to understand and see they are connected to the fly, they'll see that...

As I said before, The elitists hollow power to disenfranchise minds is the true guise to their seemingly impenetrable false sense of strength. The ability to distract and pit two sides of the same coin against each other in order to prevent them from looking deeper for our implicit connection. Democrat... Republican. Libertarian... Progressive. Conservative... Liberal. Right-winger... Left-winger. Atheist... Theist. Christianity... Islam. Buddhism... Hinduism. It's all the same... The universe doesn't care what it's called.

Buddhists worship "nothing"... Christians worship "Jehovah"... Muslims worship "Allah"... Hindu worship "Krishna/Shiva/Vishnu"... Reductionists/Atheists worship "The Big Bang"... and an unending plethora of other names...

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but it's all the same. The universe and everything in it, can be every and no name...

Settling for and stopping one's search after something as simple as, "Dog" spelled backwards sets a finite boundary to the boundless. In that mindset, your journey for truth stops at a non-truth.

Every truth, whether true or not, is true in that individual's mind which is all that matters, I suppose...

Acceptance of that boundary disillusion is the one objective truth, to me... Then you, as the universe can accept all forms of yourself...

Start to see yourself as the fly... not the individual cell...

[pac522]

Got two fools right off the bat! 

[White Rose Sophie]

Exactly.

Soley honey, I did NOT include Masonry, Theosophy, and Kabbala in that list of monotheistic faiths.   

[DCUBED]

Got two fools right off the bat! 

Yep, sure did. Since I just fell off the turnip truck the other day.

And who's the one trying to divide the movement? I forgot.

[ES]

who cares about zeitgeist? If you want to watch it then watch it. if you don't then don't. What the f**k does it matter. Stop whining about shit that you don't agree with. I don't agree with everything I see in every documentary but I always learn something new from them.

[Femacamper]

Zeitgeist is not much more than a Universalism propaganda movie.

I think discrimination, decoding the truth, recognizing the falsehood and contrasting it to the reality, is our primary concern.

[SolSkye]

Falsehood of universalism? How can one falsify the universal moment and your implicit connection to it? Why even attempt to deny that implicit connection between all things? It's undeniable... How would one not be manifested from the "origin"? Did you somehow not come from your mother's womb, and her from hers', or me from mine? All essence is one, and the same...

"Opposition, distinction, pronunciation, conflict all result of dividing things apart, they are products of grouping order. Oppositely, unity, similarity, harmony, and symmetry results of blending things together evenly. These basic patterns actually represent the basic reality that we exist within."

[Femacamper]

who cares about zeitgeist? If you want to watch it then watch it. if you don't then don't. What the f**k does it matter. Stop whining about shit that you don't agree with. I don't agree with everything I see in every documentary but I always learn something new from them.

Most of us have seen it, that's not the issue. The real concern is how will this psy-op affect other people, and will it deceive them into believing a false paradigm regarding religion and the New World Order.

This is ridiculous... Now The Smashing Pumpkins are in on the conspiracy.  Roll Eyes  Zeitgeist hasn't divided the 9/11 Truth Movement as far as I can tell. It's just these Christian Fundamentalists that get a hair up their ass anytime someone questions them.  9/11 Truth and religion are two different things all together.

If you have any proof that this movie has divided anything.

BTW, you do know what's going to happen now that you made a post about Zeitgeist.

Don't tell me that popular culture is never used in mind control. Heck, look at television. It operates on a frequency (around 60 HZ) that makes the mind highly suggestible, and can bring mass groups of people into a hypnotic-like state. I know how much TV has brainwashed me. Propaganda is in our news, our entertainment, our media - of course they're gonna use popular musical groups to spread their "zeitgeist."

Kurt Cobain and other MK Ultra victims, the LSD/drug phenomenon of the 70's and 80's, and the occult indoctrination within every segment of our media.

I mean, hey, look at Digg. Talk about a rigged social news network if I ever saw one. And the last time I checked, they are negotiating with the big boys (Microsoft, Google & Yahoo) for a more mainstream syndication.

Zeitgeist has already divided the truth movement on this board - it's created a more solid line between the universalists/pagans/new agers/atheists and the traditional christians (and mainstream religious types).

We will spend more time bickering about the origins of religion because Zeitgeist has casted inaccurate doubts in our minds.

[DCUBED]

Zeitgeist has already divided the truth movement on this board - it's created a more solid line between the universalists/pagans/new agers/atheists and the traditional christians (and mainstream religions).

If it's dividing the movement, then why are the Christians the only ones to start threads on Zeitgeist?

[pac522]

Yep, sure did. Since I just fell off the turnip truck the other day.

And who's the one trying to divide the movement? I forgot.

I don't know. Satan? OK I'll stop with the jokes.

But if every time someone mentions Jesus and you question them aren't you adding fuel to that fire? I believe a person's belief system should be left out or at least not have someone question them on it causing endless debates. Now of course religion must be discussed because of the crucial role it plays in the NWO, there is just no room for people to jump down each others throats every time an opposing personal belief comes up. I also know that there is evil not of this world. I've had personal experiences with ghosts and playing with Ouija boards and that has nothing to do with religion.

[InsideJob]

That movie was made by somebody who gets their info through some freemasonry channel. It's not disinfo - it's just masonic teachings coupled with masonic understanding of the world.

[creat3d]

That movie was made by somebody who gets their info through some freemasonry channel. It's not disinfo - it's just masonic teachings coupled with masonic understanding of the world.

Oh yeah, exposing the 9/11 inside job, the religious corruption of the human mind, the banking cartel's dominion and the New World Order agenda sure sounds masonic to the core...

[InsideJob]

Oh yeah, exposing the 9/11 inside job, the religious corruption of the human mind, the banking cartel's dominion and the New World Order agenda sure sounds masonic to the core...

I didn't say it was a committed mason. Just made by someone who understands or has studied freemasonry. The study of Egyptology and astronomy are not masonic?

[Femacamper]

What really irks me is how people can be so blind to think that they can have their own facts. Each man is entitled to their own opinion, but facts on the other hand are a shared reality.

That's the problem with universalistic/existentialistic perceptions like those promoted in Zeitgeist.

[la Resistance]

Yes.  I fully expect so.  And coupled with WWIII to put the final nail in the coffin on humanity the world over, while the masses will have been fully trained in their hatred for Jews and Christians real or not... 


Unfortunate and sad as it is.

Patriot X

+1; excellent note you've put out there, PatriotX.

The Jews are always a scapegoat for the masses, a false hand to distract the public while the power elite work with their other hand. They would use Christians, if there weren't so many - so instead they just corrupt Christianity; the whole thing is just the devil's hate of Abrahamic religion reflected - and it started with them demonizing Islam (and we did nothing - which is why our black birds will come home to roost!)...

Seriously, they get this stuff from the Bible... They're not creative - the devil is not creative. Only destructive and insane. That's why we have so much destruction, and insanity.

[PatriotX]

Just as I thought.   You are together proving my point.

Additionally, this is a war between two versions of "FREEDOM":

Those who say "Do as thou SHOULDest!"

and,

Those who say "Do as thou WILLst!"


Funny thing is, those who subscribe to the latter will be lining up for bio-chips and pretend they are being "rebellious"   .

HAHAHAHA!

What a JOKE!


Patriot X 

(When in reality,....to "Do as thou SHOULDest" - as led by the spirit of TRUTH and LOVE - is the great defender of what you pretend to cherish above all things - your FREEDOM!)  

[ringo78]

just to throw out a thought after looking at the image of the early lumpiness that you are suggesting in your post solskye,  if you have all the matter in the universe clumped into one area and spreading out then the matter would be evenly distributed and if you look in one direction ( that would be towards the center ),  remember you are suggesting a center in space, you would find more matter and stars then the opposite direction.  Remember all the matter in the universe spreading out would encounter no resistance.   I would also point out that matter has a gravitational pull and that spreading apart would not likely happen, I should say never happen,  unless you are suggesting some force not yet known about in science.  And yes there is symmetry all around us with matter and DNA,  we are a part of the creation,  but we are not one with it.  We are created out of the dust of the ground,  nothing unscientific about that statement.  But we did not evolve out of the dust of the ground,  there is a lot of things unscientific about that statement namely there is no method by which  it could happen on its own and lacks empirical data to demonstrate that claim.  We all do come from the same mother,  which came from a rib of adam,  that can be a scientific statement,  you can get DNA from a rib, also a man has both an x and y chromosome while a woman only has x,  we can also mathematically prove we are all inbred let alone the proof from mytocondria,  that we all came from the same human.  We can not prove that we came from another animal,  we can only hypothesizes about it.    I do not mean to lecture most of you about creation,  but it does seem like it is needed.  In other words the only connection between all things in this universe is that it was all created by God. 

[PatriotX]

By the way.  When the Smashing Pumpkins name their album "Zeitgeist" this is mostly a symptom of group awareness (generally subconscious, though sometimes consciously observed) regarding what has been termed "synchromysticism".  This includes various terms, signs, and symbols that all seem to be interconnected but unregulated and seemingly without corporate or what would be better described as "unified" agenda.  It is a general subscription to a slice of reality that is hardly a direct consequence of "conspiracy" but lends itself to the whole and is used by the conspirators nonetheless.  I find the timing of this well-publicized band and the name of this album rather interesting to say the least, especially now that it is gaining steam and being so hotly endorsed.

And on a side note, to address another poster, Alex speaks of many and varied themes in his passionate diatribes.  Hardly an endorsement.  Would you contend that he endorses the "NWO" just because he speaks regularly about it?


Please.



Patriot X

[PatriotX]

In other words the only connection between all things in this universe is that it was all created by God.

Precisely Ringo.

Even

"GOOD" and "EVIL"


Patriot X

(So that no man may BOAST!)

[PatriotX]

O.K.  I just had to get that out of my system.  Carry on.  I am not here to tit for tat.  As much fun as it might be.

Time is of the essence.


Patriot X   

[Femacamper]

Proponents of Zeitgeist would rather worship the creation than the creator...it's all idolatry.

Self-worship, universe-worship, it's a religion unto itself.

[Femacamper]

O.K.  I just had to get that out of my system.  Carry on.  I am not here to tit for tat.  As much fun as it might be.

Patriot X   

Excellent, it needed to be said.

[Amd304912]

Proponents of Zeitgeist would rather worship the creation than the creator...it's all idolatry.

Self-worship, universe-worship, it's a religion unto itself.

yin yang choose an idol

[lord edward coke]

just to throw out a thought after looking at the image of the early lumpiness that you are suggesting in your post solskye,  if you have all the matter in the universe clumped into one area and spreading out then the matter would be evenly distributed and if you look in one direction ( that would be towards the center ),  remember you are suggesting a center in space, you would find more matter and stars then the opposite direction.  Remember all the matter in the universe spreading out would encounter no resistance.   I would also point out that matter has a gravitational pull and that spreading apart would not likely happen, I should say never happen,  unless you are suggesting some force not yet known about in science.  And yes there is symmetry all around us with matter and DNA,  we are a part of the creation,  but we are not one with it.  We are created out of the dust of the ground,  nothing unscientific about that statement.  But we did not evolve out of the dust of the ground,  there is a lot of things unscientific about that statement namely there is no method by which  it could happen on its own and lacks empirical data to demonstrate that claim.  We all do come from the same mother,  which came from a rib of adam,  that can be a scientific statement,  you can get DNA from a rib, also a man has both an x and y chromosome while a woman only has x,  we can also mathematically prove we are all inbred let alone the proof from mytocondria,  that we all came from the same human.  We can not prove that we came from another animal,  we can only hypothesizes about it.    I do not mean to lecture most of you about creation,  but it does seem like it is needed.  In other words the only connection between all things in this universe is that it was all created by God. 

science proves god    -        http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/vic_stenger/schrev.html

[lord edward coke]

or here         http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7143844201875642538&q=Gerald+Schroder&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1  1959 75% of scientist say the univers had no begining.

[redpills1]

Zeitgeist is disinfo because the 9/11 portion does not place the blame where it is due, on Israel and Zionists in the US...and that goes for Loose Change also.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w0hmhLycNyQ
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israel_9-11_index.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315296.shtml
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/8/cheering_movers_and_art_student_spies
http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1047.shtml
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NdnaPGbNFZc&feature=related

[creat3d]

science proves god    -        http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/vic_stenger/schrev.html

How is this "proof" of the existence of your god? Nothing but a futile attempt at adapting creationism to an even crazier theory, the big bang.