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In order to do so you would first have to accept that the hijackers existed...
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2017, 02:40:24 PM »
In order to do so you would first have to accept that the hijackers existed...

Then you would have to accept that WTC 7 wasn't even hit by a hijacked plane.



Just because the 9/11 half-truth movement wants to ignore that fact doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2017, 03:13:29 PM »
Let's talk about the hijackers......
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2017, 03:41:48 PM »
Let's talk about the hijackers......

Which ones?
The guys that were alive and well after the fact protesting the accusation from overseas?

Did they really even talk to Timmy Osman?
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 04:03:12 PM »
Nawaf al-Hazmi
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Does it matter if they talked to him
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2017, 04:42:16 PM »
Does it matter if they talked to him

And does it matter WTC 7 wasn't even hit by a plane?

Actually, it does, because it calls into question the core premise of the LIHOP argument that the 9/11 half-truth movement keeps trying to promote more than a decade after it was discredited.

9/11 SYNTHETIC TERRORISM MADE IN USA

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9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA - 2nd Edition Updates, Jan. 2006

Table of Contents

Preface:

"LIHOP and MIHOP" Analyses of 9/11
THE FIFTEEN DRILLS OF 9/11
ABLE DANGER: 2.5 TERABYTES OF TREASON
SAS CAR BOMBERS IN BASRA
Appendix:
The London Explosions, The Rogue Network, Bush, and Iran
The Phony War on Terror: Time to Quarantine the Real Aggressors
(The actual book also includes new illustrations and an expanded index. )

PREFACE TO THE SECOND EDITION

"Why the thermonuclear mushroom cloud on the cover?" That question has come from a number of readers of this book, who probably expected to find the more usual photographs of the World Trade Center tragedy, or the explosions at the Pentagon which are seen on the covers of other 9/11 books. The mushroom cloud is there to signal that this book is concerned not only with what did happen on 9/11, but with also with larger tragedies which came close to happening, but which ultimately did not occur. Among these was the threat of thermonuclear escalation among the great powers. Important material which has come to light during 2005, after the first edition of this book was published, provides decisive support for this avenue of inquiry, and to this new material we will turn presently.

But first, a note on methodology. This book argues the rogue network MIHOP ("made it happen on purpose") position. That is to say, it represents the analytical point of view which sees the events of September 11, 2001 as a deliberate provocation manufactured by an outlaw network of high officials infesting the military and security apparatus of the United States and Great Britain, a network ultimately dominated by Wall Street and City of London financiers. It is our contention that any other approach not only misrepresents what actually happened in the terror attacks, but also must tend to leave the public naive and helpless when it comes to identifying the present and future threat of state-sponsored, false flag synthetic terrorism, and therefore preventing repeat performances of 9/11, including on a far larger scale.

What are the alternatives to MIHOP? There is of course the official version as codified in the Kean-Hamilton commission report of July 2004, notoriously a tissue of lies. A demagogic variation on this is the "official version and it serves you right" or "blowback" position, which accepts all the crucial elements of the official version -- Bin Laden, Atta and the rest of the 19 hijackers, al Qaeda, the US intelligence failure, and so forth. But here the official version is endorsed with its moral signs inverted: the catastrophe of 9/11 is seen as just retribution by the victims of imperialism for the chronic crimes of the system. This is the thesis which, in understated form, underlies the approach of Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal, as the first edition made clear. "Blowback" is dear to the hearts of a whole series of left gatekeepers, to the extent that they are willing to say anything at all about 9/11. This view has been embraced in the most grotesque form by the veteran agent provocateur Ward Churchill of the University of Colorado.

Churchill learned demolitions during his career in the Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols in Vietnam, and upon his return from the war became associated with the terrorist Weatherman faction, the group of police agents who systematically destroyed Students for a Democratic Society, the largest leftist membership organization in the US in the twentieth century. "Churchill briefly taught the Weathermen and Weatherwomen how to make bombs and how to fire weapons," we read in the Denver Post of January 18, 1987 ( http://www.khow.com/img/churchill-scan.html ) Some of these Weathermen perished when they blew up a townhouse in Manhattan; they had not been well taught.

During the first few months of 2005, the Fox News O 'Reilly Factor attempted to promote Churchill to the status of chief spokesman for the 9/11 truth movement by paying obsessive attention to his demagogic claims that the office workers who perished on 9/11 were war criminals in the service of imperialism. With this, the 9/1l truth movement was demonized in the eyes of millions. More important for our purposes here, Churchill also ranted that anyone who rejected the attribution of the crimes of 9/11 to Atta, Bin Laden, and al Qaeda was a racist who was really arguing that Arabs were genetically inferior and thus incapable of carrying out this complex and spectacular attack. Churchill is thus the leading contender for the Arlen Spector Award for the most imaginative defense of the official version so far recorded. Academics, in particular, seemed unable to see him for what he was. His posturing, which was given lavish attention by the corporate media, did more than anything else to discredit and disorient the 9/11 truth movement, precisely at a time when an advertising campaign by the political philanthropist Jimmy Walter was actually beginning to educate the public about how it had been hoodwinked.

Other commentators tentatively accept the 9/11 commission report, but hasten to add that they have unanswered questions. "Official version with unanswered questions" is the most nondescript of views, and it has not stood the test of time. Unanswered questions were a mark of courage in October 2001, and were still a healthy symptom in 2002. By 2004 this position had been rendered obsolete and untenable by the progress of research, and by 2005 it had come to embody a basic refusal to understand, whether out of fear or prejudice. But the "unanswered questions" gambit remained popular, perhaps because it was quite compatible with the continued receipt of foundation funding. On Judgment Day, when Gabriel blows his horn and the dead rise from their sepulchers, this contingent will still be parading their unanswered questions as an alibi for their political impotence and paralysis.

"Let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP) is a better analysis, although ultimately an inadequate one. LIHOP assumes that Bin Laden, al Qaeda, Atta, and company actually have at least a semi-independent existence and possess the will and the physical- technical capability to strike the United States in the ways seen on 9/11. But LIHOP also posits that the al Qaeda attack could not have been successful without the active cooperation of elements of the Pentagon and Bush administration who deliberately sabotaged US air defenses so as to allow the suicide pilots to reach their targets at the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The LIHOP view of things has been vociferously and voluminously defended by Mike Ruppert, whose book features the constant refrain borrowed from Delmart "Mike" Vreeland, "Let one happen. Stop the rest!" Nafeez Ahmed's first book also verged on LIHOP.

LIHOP is increasingly at war with masses of evidence. A more outre version of LIHOP admits that Atta and his cohorts were working for the CIA, but only as gun-runners and drug- runners, not terrorists. At a certain point, this view alleges, the drug- runners decided to revolt against their arrogant CIA masters by blowing up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon! But even this recondite scheme cannot address the absence of air defense for one hour and forty-five minutes, nor the controlled demolition which overtook the two trade towers.

In 2002 and 2003, LIHOP represented progress beyond the unanswered questions way station. But here too, as more new material has come to light, LIHOP has also become untenable, as I will try to show below. A Zogby poll commissioned by Jimmy Walter in August 2004 showed that almost 50% of New Yorkers believed that US officials knew in advance that 9/11 was going to happen -- a reasonable approximation of LIHOP. The statement by MI-5 whistleblower David Shayler to a London gathering in early June 2005 -- "I was LIHOP; I am MIHOP," -- is therefore coherent with the increasingly successful quest for truth. Today the LIHOP position is increasingly unstable. Some devotees of LIHOP have a curious habit of reverting to a very tepid unanswered questions posture as soon as a microphone or television camera approaches.

David Ray Griffin's New Pearl Harbor exemplified what might be called Bush-Cheney MIHOP, although this must be qualified by Griffin's repeated caveat that he was not advancing an overall explanation for what happened on 9/11. The emphasis on Bush-Cheney as the possible masterminds of 9/11 is problematic, since the rogue network has demonstrably been around since the blowing up of the USS Maine more than a century ago -- long before Bush and Cheney. In addition, we must ask if serious plotters would ever dream of assigning an important role to a moron, or to a man who has had multiple heart attacks, who has had a pacemaker installed and who is living on borrowed time. These objections apply to all allegations that assign Cheney an absolutely central role, including those of Mike Ruppert. The invisible government, in fact, will not necessarily be defeated if its puppets of the moment -- Bush, Cheney, and company -- are ousted. Griffin then turned to a detailed refutation of the Kean- Hamilton report, a task that could easily have been left to the unanswered questions people or even relegated as fiction to literary critics, as Griffin himself has suggested. We are left with Griffin's basically agnostic view, which means that we are effectively disarmed in the face of new threats of state-sponsored terrorism as they continued to emerge, especially during the second half of 2005.

Differences among these categories are worth stressing, even though they may be blurred. For example, a successful terrorist provocation generally has a LIHOP function built into it, since it typically is the job of the moles in the FBI and Justice Department to make sure that normal law enforcement does not interfere with the patsies and throw them into jail, thus stripping the operation of its indispensable scapegoats. But this is only one part of the terror deployment, and the presence of trained professionals who actually produce the results observed, which the patsies could never produce, suffices to validate a MIHOP analysis for the entire operation.

Some other commentators have, either consciously or unconsciously, advanced an outlook which might be called Mossad MIHOP. As I show in this book, it is a well-established fact that the Mossad meticulously observed every phase of the preparation and execution of 9/11. The Mossad is also known to be a very nefarious organization. But what is missing is convincing proof of a direct operative role for the Mossad in 9/11. So far not even limited subcontracting of specific 9/11 tasks by CIA to Mossad, a standard practice, has been established. Mossad MIHOP would appear to appeal to a chauvinistic mentality which implicitly believes that Americans would never do such a thing to their fellow Americans, so a foreign group, the Mossad, has to be blamed. This is dangerous nonsense, and those who profess it need to be reminded of the Operation Northwoods documents, which contemplate precisely the sort of killing of Americans by Americans they think is impossible. As far as I know, MI-6 MIHOP, another possible variant, has not been argued; here the evidence is greater, but still not enough. Therefore, my second edition still asserts on the cover that the 9/11 terror was: "Made In USA."

THE FIFTEEN DRILLS OF 9/11

Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon is aware of five exercises related to 9/11 -- Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian, Northern Vigilance, Tripod II, and the National Reconnaissance Office drill. The first printing of my book discusses these, plus Northern Guardian, Amalgam Virgo, and a local DC-area drill, for a total of eight. As of this writing, it has been established that there were as many as 15 drills either ongoing on 9/11 or directly related to the events of that day. This figure may be slightly higher or lower according to the counting criteria used.
911 WAR GAMES AND TERROR DRILLS
     
Amalgam Virgo   Air defense against rogue state/terror cruise missiles, hijackings
Vigilant Guardian    Air defense against hijacking
Northern Guardian   Air defense
Vigilant Warrior   NORAD exercise
Northern Vigilance   NORAD deploys fighters to Alaska, northern Canada
Amalgam Warrior   Large live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking surveillance
Global Guardian   Nuclear warfighting, "Armageddon"
Crown Vigilance   Air combat command exercise
Apollo Guardian   Large scale live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking surveillance
National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)    Crashing planes into buildings
AWACS   AWACS over Florida, Washington DC
Fort Meyer, Virginia   Firemen (Pentagon), "aircraft crash refresher course" for firefighters
TRIPOD II, Manhattan   Response to biochemical attack
Timely Alert II   Emergency response to bomb attack

Ruppert focuses exclusively on the drills which crippled air defense, the ones we may call LIHOP drills. It is of course vital to know about these war games which moved fighter planes to northern Canada and Alaska, which introduced fake radar blips on the screens of military personnel, and which deployed civilian and military aircraft in the guise of hijacked airliners. This was one way the vaunted US air defense in the northeast corridor was paralyzed for about one hour and forty-five minutes. But even this argument has limits. Loyal military officers would have positioned their interceptor assets in the skies over Washington DC to prevent their recurrent nightmare, the decapitation of the national command authority by a lightning stroke. The fact that this was not done for so many minutes is irrefutable evidence that the commanders were not loyal. It does no good to argue that red-blooded US fighter pilots would never have obeyed a stand-down order when this is manifestly exactly what they did, for the critical hour and three quarters.

But there are additional 9/11 maneuvers which claim our attention. These are the MIHOP drills, which provided cover and operational capabilities for terror operations run through the official bureaucracy. The most obvious is the exercise that morning at the headquarters of the National Reconnaissance Office in Chantilly, Virginia involving the simulation of an airliner crashing into the NRO's headquarters tower. It involved, in other words, a plane crashing into a building. Given all we have learned about the intimate relationship between military drills and terrorist acts, it is clear that there is a strong prima facie case here that the NRO drill in question was in fact a control center or vehicle for crashing aircraft or other flying objects into the towers of the World Trade Center. This is no weird happenstance, but a crucial window on the entire operation.

Then there is the case of Amalgam Virgo, which did come up during the 9/11 commission hearings. Thanks to cooperativeresearch.org, we know that Amalgam Virgo 01 was run on June 1-2, 2001. It was "a multi-agency planning exercise sponsored by NORAD involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile being launched by "a rogue [government] or somebody" from a barge off the East Coast. Bin Laden is pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. [American Forces Press Service, 6/4/02] The exercise takes place at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida. [Global Security, 4/14/02]" Although the barge could have been located somewhere else, this looks very much like what happened at the Pentagon, since it is clear that no commercial airliner ever hit that building on 9/11. The 2002 edition of this exercise was set to include "two simultaneous commercial aircraft hijackings," with FBI agents impersonating the hijackers -- another component which may have occurred in the real world on 9/1l.

These are leading examples of what may be termed MIHOP drills, since they point towards the basic fact that the 9/11 terror operations were not just facilitated or allowed, but manufactured and produced, by activities taking place inside the US military- security bureaucracy, under the cover of theoretically legal and sanctioned drills.

As I showed in the original edition, the open secret about drills is that they often hide the real thing, as illustrated by the examples of Hilex 75 (a cover for possible nuclear confrontation with the Warsaw Pact) and Nine Lives 81 (a cover for the Hinckley hit on President Reagan). Another excellent example is Able Archer 83, a US nuclear weapons exercise which looked so realistic that Soviet leaders became concerned that it was a cover for a real sneak attack on their country with nuclear missiles. They put their own Strategic Rocket Troops and related units on highest alert, and the world found itself on the brink of an all-out nuclear exchange. (See William M. Arkin, Code Names (Hanover, NH: Steerforth Press, 2005, p. 245, and Benjamin B. Fischer, A Cold War Conundrum, History Staff, Center for the Study of Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, 1997, online at http://www.cia.gov/csi/monograph/coldwar/source.htm ).

The principle directly at stake here is that state terrorists wishing to conduct an illegal terror operation often find it highly advantageous to conduit or bootleg that illegal operation through the government military/security bureaucracy with the help of an exercise or drill that closely resembles or mimics the illegal operation. Once the entire apparatus is set up, it is only necessary to make apparently small changes to have the exercise go live, and turn into a real hecatomb. If there is a gas dispersion drill announced in Manhattan, as there was in August 2005, it is merely necessary to replace the inert gas with a highly toxic one to go from drill to mass slaughter. A drill simulating a terror attack provides the greatest possible camouflage of the criminal intent of the perpetrators and allows the terror attack to occur through minor departures from the scenario script. All these drills try to be as realistic as possible. But the greatest realism is an actual terror attack. The fact that attempts at disruption, infiltration, harassment, and sabotage may be built in simply increases the opportunities available to the plotters, as do the varying levels of awareness of the participants, only a very few of whom need to know that a real terror attack is intended, or what the fate of certain patsies might be. To prevent new terror attacks from providing the pretexts for new wars, it is imperative that this mechanism be understood, but it cannot be understood in the unanswered questions, LIHOP, and agnostic frames of reference. That is why the apparent moderation of these theoretical points of view is so crippling and so dangerous.
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 04:53:12 PM »
Nawaf al-Hazmi
Khalid Al-Midhar
Saeed Al-Ghamdi

Does it matter if they talked to him

Seven.

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National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

The muscle hijackers 'picked by bin Ladin':

Satam al Suqami, Wail and Waleed al Shehri (two brothers) Both Alive, Abdul Aziz al Omari Alive, Fayez Banihammad (from the UAE), Ahmed al Ghamdi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri Alive, Saeed al Ghamdi Alive, Ahmad al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami Alive, Majed Moqed, and Salem al Hazmi Alive (the brother of Nawaf al Hazmi).

How can the 9/11 Commission be taken seriously when they refer to alive 'hijackers'?
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html

Actually none of the fairy-tale that came from officialdom matters. The visible government's not even running this country anymore. Trump was the last chance to turn it around and he's on a tightrope.

9/11 has been looked at 6 ways from Sunday for the past 16 years. Tons of man-hours from people that weren't paid a dime. All the citizen analysis just gets stonewalled.

I see the UK has recently decided to crank up the FF terrorism again. I wonder who made that decision.
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2017, 05:08:51 PM »
The most hopeful moment I've had in all my life of watching politics was when Donald Trump challenged Jeb Bush on 9/11.  Bush said that his brother kept us safe, and Trump said he didn't.  And he offered to discuss 9/11.  Jeb Bush went dead pale.  Old man Bush and Barbara, in the gallery, actually hissed (or it looked like they did).  Trump was on his way to destroy the Clintons, and it looked as if he would expose 9/11 and destroy the Bushes, too.

Issuing the fake Kean Commission report makes the government a part of the crime.  In a court of law the commission report alone would make the govt guilty.

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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2017, 05:36:16 PM »
Osama Nooh was a Saudi naval officer

Nooh is connected to the hijackers in California

Nooh also shared an address in Pensacola which was used by hijackers of Flight 93

How many connections does one Saudi naval officer have to have to the 911 terrorists before things get suspicious.
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2017, 08:03:31 PM »
How many connections does one Saudi naval officer have to have to the 911 terrorists before things get suspicious.

To me, it's obvious. Saudi Arabia controls Mecca and the rather radical Wahabbis. I'd say they have de facto control over Islam.

We've always been friendly with the Saudis. They were key to establishing the petrodollar in the 70's.

It brought them out of the tents and into the palaces. And it gave the west leveraged financial control over most of the world's oil supply.

The Coalition Complex on Prince Sultan Air Base near the capital of Riyadh was built by......

…....the Saudi Binladin Group.

This area was used exclusively to house non-Saudi military, including Americans.

It's in western interests to have an alliance with a country that controls the ideology of the “bad guys”. Good for business. An my, how business has boomed since 9/11.
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2017, 07:55:29 AM »
What I am saying has a direct tie to 9/11

The FBI maintains Osama Nooh has no direct ties to the hijackers.
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2017, 11:41:43 AM »
I want to have a serious conversation about 9/11. I see y'all already are, but I'm just going to say I want to see more of this. We need to go back to our roots in order to remind ourselves what got us here in the first place. That's a big reason why I've been making posts about 9/11 more so than even current events lately. I'm pretty sure most of everybody is here because of 9/11...
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2017, 07:11:44 PM »
If The FBI was unable to identify any of the 911 hijackers prior to 911

And one Saudi naval officer is able to interact with up to 7 of the hijackers, that we know of.

Shurley, shurley, we as a movement should be able to ask some questions about that.

Otherwise what is the point of us as a movement.
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2017, 09:01:00 PM »
Otherwise what is the point of us as a movement.

It would seem that the point has been to inform a tied-up public that doesn't have time to look into this stuff because they work in cubicles and struggle to raise a family.

The government already knows and goes out of it's way to display amnesia over any information discovered by independent researchers.

Even Trump fights a gatekeeping system hellbent on controlling what everybody thinks by maintaining his twitter account.
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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2017, 06:49:39 AM »
We need to hold the FBIs feet to the fire OR we will never get real answers
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Re: Who wants to have a serious conversation about the 9/11 incident
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2017, 07:00:25 AM »
Here is a background check on Osama Nooh.  -  https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/osama+nooh/G2183347661616898251
Please review it. You will see the address 10 Radford.

In this Newsweek article that same address appears, linked to up to 3 of the hijackers. -  http://www.newsweek.com/alleged-hijackers-may-have-trained-us-bases-152495

Osama Nooh also appears linked to the San Diego cell via the 28 pages, in particular Nawaf al-Hazmi.  -  https://28pages.org/2016/04/18/911-commission-investigators-proposed-examining-possible-political-economic-and-other-influences-on-inquiries-into-saudi-ties-to-attacks/

Is it just me on planet earth who has to ask the FBI this question. How can I pressure a federal agency all by myself.
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Remembering Col George Nelson, USAF, 9/11 Truther, Dead at 80
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2017, 02:35:31 PM »
9/11 has been looked at 6 ways from Sunday for the past 16 years. Tons of man-hours from people that weren't paid a dime. All the citizen analysis just gets stonewalled.

George Nelson: Mourning a 9-11 Truth Teller
June 18, 2017


Col. George Nelson was a leading part of a large network of US Military veterans, pilots and engineers who challenged  the lies of 9-11.  Gregory Zeigler remembers a colleague and a friend. 



by Gregory M. Zeigler Ph.D.

former Captain, US Army Military Intelligence
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Colonel George F. Nelson passed away
on the 12th of June, 2017, at age eighty. We are all part of a network of human associations. Colonel Nelson was no exception to this rule. I knew him for about twelve years, in the context of the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement. I want to discuss the role he played in that body of thought. 

George had a 34 year career in the US Air Force, starting as an enlisted man and ending up as a full colonel. During most of this time he was involved in crash investigations. What aroused his suspicion about the official 9/11 story was the fact that all the standard procedures for investigating crashes were not only bypassed, but aggressively flouted by destruction of evidence. As he explained both publicly and privately, in such investigations, it is normal to examine each serial-numbered part. Instead, those parts were reportedly discarded. 

The importance of serial-numbered parts, as Colonel Nelson explained it, is to ensure that worn parts are not substituted for other worn parts during scheduled maintenance. The mere presence of a part number is not enough. Critical parts such as landing gear can only be deployed a certain number of times before they become unsafe. Thus, the need for unique serial numbers. 

Colonel Nelson's public announcement on this topic became an internet center of interest. I contacted him to find out if he really was the author and why he went public. His answer was simple. He respected his oath of loyalty to the United States of America and felt that that oath required his public statement. 

As the years went on, Colonel Nelson involved himself with others. Dave von Kleist and William Lewis, under the auspices of the Power Hour radio station, produced the video "9/11 in Plane Site/Director's Cut". (Yes, that is spelled correctly.) 



Phil Jayhan, a Chicago courier, had the idea of slowing down four network videos of the 9/11 plane striking the South Tower of the WTC frame-by-frame and came up with some startling conclusions: there appeared to be some kind of a pod attached to the starboard belly of the Boeing 767 and there was a red flash on the South Tower just before impact. Although some skeptics question Jayhan's claim, the Spanish newspaper Vanguardia researched the topic and supported his analysis. Jayhan's work was incorporated into the Power Hour video and into the follow-on video by Jason Bermas and Dylan Avery entitled "Loose Change."

Others contributed their work. Canadian Professor AK Dewdney put out two seminal articles. One, entitled "Project Achilles," put forth the thesis that ordinary cell phone technology of September 2001 did not permit sustained conversations from passenger aircraft at cruising altitude. This finding would invalidate the official reports of extended cell phone conversations taking place between passengers on the allegedly hijacked planes and families on the ground. 

The Japanese TV network Asahi Shimbun took a lively interest in Dewdney's findings. They sent out a team to Canada to confirm Dewdney's findings. Their report went into a two-hour production under the auspices of Japanese media giant Beat Takeshi, fully confirming Dewdey's findings. In addition Dewdney wrote and published an article entitled "The Missing Wings," which argued that no passenger plane struck the Pentagon, since the wings and tail section should have sheared off. 

Dewdney's analysis was subsequently reinforced by retired US Army Major General Albert B. Stubblebine, former head of all US Army Intelligence. General Stubblebine's analysis can be found at www.patriotsquestion911.com. Dewdney's articles can be found at his website, www.physics911.net. Alan Miller, one of the giants in 9/11 research, put out his seminal website www.patriotsquestion911.com, where Colonel Nelson's work and those of many others can be found. Although the website has not been updated since 2010, its material is still timely and copious. 

The so-called 9/11Truth Movement has had its fair share of acrimony, as do all collective human activities. Many major researchers, such as Christopher Bollyn (see www.bollyn.com), Wayne Madsen, and the incredibly prolific Professor David Ray Griffin moved in different, though not antagonistic circles. The sheer volume of internet-based research, starting from the work of a few pioneers, eventually turned into a flood of mutually supporting analyses all pointing unmistakably to the conclusion that the official story about 9/11 was false. Alan Miller collected a huge sample of such analyses in his website www.patriotsquestion911.com, and the beginner in this topic would do well to look at that site. 

My reason for putting out this professional eulogy for Colonel Nelson, for that is what it is, stems from my personal background as a former captain in US Army Military Intelligence. Like Colonel Nelson, I swore an oath to defend my beloved country, the United States of America, from all enemies domestic and foreign. Like Colonel Nelson, I take that oath seriously. 

Were we friends? In a sense, since I admired the man enormously and he always showed the deepest respect for me. Nevertheless, during our twelve years of association, I never addressed him by his first name, nor did he invite me to do so. The reason is that we had to assemble a team to defend our country from an attack on the lives of its citizens, its Constitution and Bill of Rights. He was a colonel. I was a captain. So he was my commander. My final words to Colonel George Nelson, USAF(ret) are these. "Proud to have served under you in the defense of our nation... Sir!"

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