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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2017, 09:53:52 AM »
Bernie Sanders to California Democrats: Please Pass Single-Payer Health Care!

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/05/07/bernie-sanders-california-democrats-please-pass-single-payer-health-care/


The goal of the Dems all along, once Obamacare imploded.

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A MUST HEAR! Dr. Russell Blaylock on the Alex Jones Show (12-4-13 Hour 3 starts at time 12:20 he says the first step is destroying the system you have i.e. Obamacare used to do that) talking about how Obamacare was set up to be a disaster, so they can scrap it and bring in Single Payer which is what they wanted all along!
http://archives2013.gcnlive.com/Archives2013/dec13/AlexJones/1204133.mp3
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A MUST READ! National Health Insurance (Part 1 & 2): The Socialist Nightmare by Dr Blaylock
http://haciendapublishing.com/articles/national-health-insurance-part-i-socialist-nightmare-russell-l-blaylock-md

Part 2:
http://haciendapublishing.com/articles/national-health-insurance-part-ii-any-social-utility-elderly-russell-l-blaylock-md

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCPvDn8vvYN6rk890faj8RMg
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Canada has singlepayer. Everyone can get basic care, because its paid for through high taxes. To get more coverage on certain things many have additional coverage through their job. This is how you can get a private room in hospital, if one is available, and other perks. Those without this extra coverage will have to pay for some things.

Also, There are many problems like: thousands who have no doctor, wait lines for some surgeries are long, many provinces dont have enough doctors and they have problems recruiting them, so then import foreign doctors. If you go to a hospital outpatient system, you wait for many hours and are triaged. Its not first come first served.

However, their drugs are cheaper because they negotiate them. You pay nothing to go to your doctor.

 Seniors have to pay an annual premium I think at age 65 for drugs even if you take no drugs.

This is not a perfect system. Makes your taxes high to cover this universal system. Fed govt uses your tax money Which is given to the provinces to pay for your healthcare. They pay the doctors. You usually dont  see this info. Thats why they call it singlepayer, one payer pays the bills, your province.
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2017, 09:58:28 AM »
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT GETS OVERLOOKED AND IGNORED IN THIS HEALTHCARE DEBATE:


1) THE COSTS WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE IF BIG PHARMA AND THE MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX DIDN'T HAVE A MONOPOLY WHEREBY THEY DICTATE WHAT DOCTORS DO AND MANIPULATE AND BUY THEM INTO PUSHING DRUGS FOR EVERY AILMENT WHILE NEVER LOOKING FOR A CURE!

2) Demonizing alternative treatments and natural supplements that help people where drugs mostly maim and create other sicknesses! The medical industry is selfish and arrogant and until this changes and they learn to share, the problems in healthcare will never be fixed! There is room for both medicine and alternative nd big med needs to be told that nd put in their place!

3) big med currently focuses on all this grandiose DNA discovery and other nonsense but curiously has no interest in curing people! That shows their goal is more about keeping people sick, rather than healing them!

WELL PEOPLE BRING NO MONEY TO THE SYSTEM, ONLY KEEPING THEM SICK DOES!
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2017, 11:22:13 AM »
So the real reason why Obama told single-payer advocates (in effect) to "drop dead" was not that he was a corporate fascist dutifully serving the interests of Wall Street...

     http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/march/obama_to_single_paye.php
     https://www.prisonplanet.com/what-is-obamacare.html
     https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/11/08/hr-3962-why-i-voted-no
     http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamacare-designed-as-a-scam/5414047
     http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-s-big-sellout/16488

...but that he was part of an evil communist conspiracy to impose single-payer health insurance (aka "Medicare for all") on the American people -- and thereby turn America into Venezuela.

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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2017, 11:27:35 AM »
^^^
jofortruth

... and I know, I have harped on-and-on too much
about drug 'giveaways' and 'reduced prices' to the
third world which continues to raise prices for US
healthcare into the stratosphere. It is not politically
correct to talk about this so it is hard to find much
on the net ... not many 'studies' are done, etc, etc.
Here is an article, though, that illustrates this ... they
are talking about vaccines in general and a pneumonia
vaccine in particular ... but it applies across the board
for all manner of drugs:

Why Doctors Without Borders Refused a Million Free Vaccines
The climax of a standoff with the pharmaceutical industry over high prices
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/10/doctors-with-borders/503786/

"And this cost is the fundamental issue to Jason Cone, the executive director of Doctors Without Borders in the United States. He explained that donations from pharmaceutical companies are ineffective against a problem of this scale. While the donation would benefit people under the care of Doctors Without Borders immediately, accepting it could mean problems for others, and problems longer-term. Donations, he writes, are “often used as a way to make others ‘pay up.’ By giving the pneumonia vaccine away for free, pharmaceutical corporations can use this as justification for why prices remain high for others, including other humanitarian organizations and developing countries that also can’t afford the vaccine.”"
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2017, 11:31:58 AM »

Here is an article, though, that illustrates this ... they
are talking about vaccines in general and a pneumonia
vaccine in particular ...



I was told by an older friend of mine that her doctor recommended she get the pneumonia vaccine, and she did and then got pneumonia (TRUE STORY). She was not happy and will never get it again. I told her you have an immune system for a reason, you don't need all of these ever increasing vaccines they are pushing left and right. Take nutrients, eat healthy and forget big pharmas scams.

People need to start thinking for themselves until the medical industry is brought to heal for their crimes against humanity.
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2017, 11:40:40 AM »

So the real reason why Obama told single-payer advocates (in effect) to "drop dead" was not that he was a corporate fascist dutifully serving the interests of Wall Street...

 

History shows that bad people say things to get you to do the very things they dispute. They did the same thing trying to get the Federal Reserve passed (See excerpt from G. Edward Griffin's book - "The Creature from Jekyll Island" linked below - talks about how they conned the politicians back then). It's reverse psychology. The globalists are very sick and cunning.  Remember they are psychopaths and lying is a major part of their cons.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=178

Obama didn't produce Obamacare, he simply implemented something he was handed by the globalists. It was all a scam!

Now we must be careful that this new bill is NOT singlepayer, and that it indeed returns healthcare to the doctors and patients and gets govt bureaucrats, big pharma big medicine, and the globalists out of healthcare. They do not have your interest in mind, only theirs.

If this bill going through the House and Senate ends up Singlepayer, then you can be sure you have been conned.

Everyone should listen to the BLAYLOCK audio posted above. He has been warning his fellow Doctors for 15+ years of what was happening, and indeed it happened with Obamacare.

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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2017, 11:54:31 AM »

History shows that bad people say things to get you to do the very things they dispute. They did the same thing trying to get the Federal Reserve passed (I believe G. Edward Griffins book - "The Creature from Jekyll Island" see link below - talks about how they conned the politicians back then). It's reverse psychology. The globalists are very sick and cunning.  Remember they are psychopaths and lying is a major part of their cons.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=178



A quote from Griffin's book:

 
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To convince Congress and the public that the establishment of a banking cartel was, somehow, a measure to protect the public, the Jekyll Island strategists laid down the following plan of action:

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1) Do not call it a cartel nor even a central bank.

2) Make it look like a government agency.

3) Establish regional branches to create the appearance of decentralization, not dominated by Wall Street banks.

4) Begin with a conservative structure including many sound banking principles knowing that the provisions can be quietly altered or removed in subsequent years.

5) Use the anger caused by recent panics and bank failures to create popular demand for monetary reform.

6) Offer the Jekyll Island plan as though it were in response to that need.

7) Employ university professors to give the plan the appearance of academic approval.

8 ) Speak out against the plan to convince the public that Wall Street bankers do not want it.


They play both sides of everything. People need to understand this, once and for all, or continue being conned by the sick globalists, who will one day control you from cradle to grave!
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2017, 12:08:14 PM »
Health Secretary, Tom Price, was on Meet the Press this morning. Find his interview and listen to it. He tries to correct the spin and lies coming out of the media about the new healthcare bill:(NOTE: Andrea Mitchell is married to former fed reserve chairman Alan Greenspan)

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/hhs-secretary-tom-price-firmly-defends-pre-existing-condition-coverage-n755971

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/07/andrea-mitchell-price-white-men-cutting-heath-care-women/

This is a process. This one bill is just a start of correcting Obamacare, which we know was a failed bill to begin with and rammed through Congress. None of us really knows whats in this bill, but I do know the media will spin it negatively because its what they do. So, we are left with listening to all of those involved in the legislation and deciding for ourselves who is being honest.

When Price says this is a bill to return healthcare to the people and their doctors, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE, and far from what Obamacare did. Therefore, we must demand that this bill be indeed that, a return to where healthcare is between the people and their doctors, and where no sick bureaucrat can dictate something they know nothing about and where corps only deal in profits and not taking care of the sick. If Price, et al, stray from this, then you will know they are no better than Obamacare advocates. Time will tell!

Everyone must watch this closely, but not depend on the media to tell you truth about anything THEY LIE CONSTANTLY (Ex: how many panels do you see on Meet the Press, CNN, etc who have ONE pro trump person and all the rest the opposite who gang up on that one or two people? If the media was being honest they would have 50% pro trump issues and 50% other on their panels. I have yet to see one panel on the networks which was evening split and who didn't gang up on the one pro trump person. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD NOTICE, AND PROVES THE MEDIA IS BIASED!)

NOTE: I only watch the press today to see how they are lying. The uneven panels is a dead giveaway to how they are lying! This one should be very obvious to you once you see it. I only watch them because of my total disdain for them and to expose them.
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2017, 12:11:44 PM »
Next I'll be hearing that the "Federal" Reserve is part of an evil conspiracy to bankrupt our economy in order to justify imposing a modern-day version of Lincoln's debt-free Greenbacks on the American people.

That's it, I give up.
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2017, 12:32:26 PM »

That's it, I give up.


And that is what the globalists want all Americans to do, GIVE UP in frustration and confusion which has been intentionally created by them.

The globalists deal in both sides of every issue to intentionally confuse the public, in an attempt to keep them from learning what is truly happening. Sorry, but that is part of their game. It's a psychopaths game, and that of people who love controlling others.

All I am saying is we must be aware of how they use both sides of all issues. As long as they can keep us at odds with each other debating one side or the other, they will win in the end because we are so busy arguing both sides of their games. We take their power away if we understand they indeed play both sides of every issue and start coming together AGAINST THE LIARS, AND NOT EACH OTHER.

Due to these games the globalist controllers play, we need to try to see both sides of every issue, and then decide by watching and listening to those involved (Ex: the healthcare bill), to discern who is being honest. You can't depend on the media to be honest because they are controlled by the same liars, so it means you have to do your due diligence with a lot of listening, reading, watching videos, etc in an attempt to figure things out.

ONE BIG THING I USE: If their actions don't match their words, then they are lying! Another tip is when they say ONE thing to one group, and a different thing to another group. You know they are lying!

Once you spot the liars, put them on your LIAR LIST, you can't trust them (It just takes one lie for me to not trust them going forward) and then move on to try to find a truthteller!
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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2017, 12:53:15 PM »
Next I'll be hearing that the "Federal" Reserve is part of an evil conspiracy to bankrupt our economy in order to justify imposing a modern-day version of Lincoln's debt-free Greenbacks on the American people.

That's it, I give up.

Geo, you are not a quitter. If you were, you would not have hung in there for so long in this forum. We are all frustrated by the lies, but if we give up, they win. THAT IS NOT AN OPTION!

We are kicking butt, and need to keep kicking butt, until WE WIN! America is suppose to belong to the people, NOT THE ARROGANT, SICK GLOBALIST CONTROL FREAKS, or their betrayer minions in DC.

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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2017, 01:44:58 PM »
Feinstein: I’m Worried What 13 White Republican Men Will Do to Health Care  ::)

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/07/feinstein-im-worried-13-white-republican-men-will-health-care/


Feinstein is proving her dishonest self, once again! She is a disgrace to women by acting like a dishonest fool. Also, Dianne, the country would be foolish to put little girls like you into office. They should choose real women with integrity to run for office, if they want more females in Congress.  ::) btw, It's past time you and Pelosi retired. You have nothing to offer real women in America!

Congressman Dianne Black of Tennessee is a nurse, and the chair of the budget committee and thus  has had a prominent role on this bill creation. Seema Verma, the administrator of CMS (Center for Medicaid and Medicare Services), is also involved, among other women.

This is nothing but an attempt by Dianne Feinstein  and her lowlife Dem troublemakers, with the help of dishonest media talking heads, to get ignorant women upset. This is a typical Democrat talking point that really has no truth. They have chosen qualified persons to help with the bill. Period!

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Rep. Black's Opening Statement on the American Health Care Act (Rep Black is a former nurse who has had a prominent role in the creation of the bill that passed because she is qualified to do so as a nurse.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4DGyLedm5Q

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCREZGYWeFh6-gfodmoWVUFg
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Re: * House vote to repeal replace Obamacare today. They have the votes!
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2017, 06:24:32 PM »


Repeal it.  That's it.  And while they're at it -- repeal the Patriot Act.

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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2017, 10:25:01 AM »
Don`t you guys have a grip on this !    I consider this the lowest form of scumsucking USA..Pharma is a miltibillon profit making industry, but they are far from alone in this mafia...For Gods sake, if our duly elected wonders and the fat cats involved continue this con, mucking us with the Medd Industry,remember PHARMA is orchestrating the choir. A high placed MAFIA feeding on the lil people.
  Pay up or drop dead is their moto, the med industry has turned into a collosal syndicate, led by these freaks.
  They have the power over your finacial situation, and your very mucken life, if they are not hit on forget health care in any form.
SEE.. Rense, SC
The chart below speaks for itself.   PLEASE CHECK THE CHART, if you don`t agree I would appreciate a response.
My bottom line, if the ADM doesnt have the courage to stand up to these crooks, the games over no matter what.
 
Celebrex 100 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
Percent markup: 21,712%

 
Claritin 10 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71
Percent markup: 30,306%

 
Keflex 250 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88
Percent markup: 8,372%

 
Lipitor 20 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80
Percent markup: 4,696%

 
Norvasec 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $188.29
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14
Percent markup: 134,493%

 
Paxil 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $220.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60
Percent markup: 2,898%

 
Prevacid 30 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $44.77
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.01
Percent markup: 34,136%

 
Prilosec 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $360.97
Cost of general active ingredients $0.52
Percent markup: 69,417%
 

  I get it the cost of the chemicals is zip, consider the extraction and fabrication, no problem, give them a  100% profit for their profit after costs, we coud still pay 700% minimum more and they still make a fortune.
  Our mucken AMA aproves this, our pols, the people....Again, if folks want to take on medicare--squash BIGPHARMA or it wont`t worth jack Sh**T> That`s it for me guys.
IF you beleive this is fake news do a research.
 
 
Tenormin 50 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $104.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13
Percent markup: 80,362%
 
Vasotec 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $102.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20
Percent markup: 51,185%
 
 
Xanax 1 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024
Percent markup: 569,958%
 
Zestril 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) $89.89
Cost of general active ingredients $3.20
Percent markup: 2,809%
 
Zithromax 600 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19
Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78
Percent markup: 7,892%
 
Zocor 40 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $350.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63
Percent markup: 4,059%
 
Zoloft 50 mg
Consumer price: $206.87
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75
Percent markup: 11,821%
 
Since the cost of prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought everyone I knew should know about this. Please read the following and pass it on. It pays to shop around. This helps to solve the mystery as to why they can afford to put a Walgreen's on every corner.
 
On Monday night, Steve Wilson, an investigative reporter for Channel 7 News in Detroit, did a story on generic drug price gouging by pharmacies. He found in his investigation, that some of these generic drugs were marked up as much as 3,000% or more. Yes, that's not a typo ... three thousand percent! So often, we blame the drug companies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves. For example, if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills. The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, they would only cost $80, making you think you are "saving" $20. What the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost him $10!
 

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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2017, 12:43:35 PM »
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/why-60-percent-of-small-business-owners-want-obamacare-repealed.html
Why 60 percent of small-business owners want Obamacare repealed
Elaine Pofeldt, special to CNBC.com
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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2017, 05:32:26 PM »
In 1984, prescription PHARMA monopolies were GIVEN THE RIGHT with Reagan Adm after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act allowed the extension of patents over 20 years.   Actually the ole gov allowed drug companies to bribe docs to prescribe a variety of expensive drugs.
In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were ba*ls to the wall during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.

BUT THE DRUG COSTS $$ WERE OFF THE GRID.. GET the drift,,,PHARMA WAS THEIR ACE IN THE HOLE.
  All this sh**t sounded humane, was it ?

If Trump seriously takes on bigpharms, he needs a platoon of body guards, full body armor, and a few food tasters

He went along with the MIC, i can understand that to a degree,  defense...Domestically the drug INDUSTRY is the edge of the sword for the fat cats, take them down too a reasonable profit (Regulated pricing) margin and all hell will break out. Add to this , how much did pharma make with their forced vaccines, and what is in them?
  In my opinion Pharma is almost up there with the oil industry monopoly.
  Will drug pricing be hit on, will the COC ever bring them to taks, or the ADM..If so the medical INDUSTRY will have an impact on this entire health care movement.