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Great Article to Hopefully Spark Intelligent Discussion!
« on: April 17, 2017, 09:49:43 AM »
Please read this article....I have not seen it posted or discussed here and it should be....

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3588/Donald-Trump-Just-Another-Neocon-Warmonger.aspx

Donald Trump: Just Another Neocon Warmonger

Published: Thursday, April 13, 2017   

“Talk is cheap” is a phrase that politicians teach us constantly. This time the teacher is Donald Trump. Donald Trump campaigned as an outsider, someone that was not owned by the establishment, and someone who would fight the globalists and drain “the swamp.” But “talk is cheap.”

In 2013, AFTER Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was accused of using sarin gas against his own countrymen, Trump tweeted, “What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.” (August 29) And, “Obama’s war in Syria has the potential to widen into a worldwide conflict.” (September 5) And, “Forget Syria and make America great again.” (September 11) And, again, “We should . . . stay out of Syria and other countries that hate us, rebuild our own country and make it strong and great again--USA!” (September 12)

Then, after spending months condemning Hillary Clinton for her intentions to escalate U.S. military aggression in the Middle East--especially in Syria--and assuring the American people that if he were elected President he would NOT try to depose Syria’s President Assad or use increased military force in Syria and elsewhere, and stating that he looked forward to building a closer relationship with Russia and Vladimir Putin, it took him exactly 77 days after being inaugurated to launch 59 Tomahawk missiles into, guess where? Syria! And guess what the pretext was for this military attack? You guessed it: Assad used a chemical attack against his own people. What was it that Yogi Berra said?

You must understand: politicians live in this encapsulated, insulated world in which it is absolutely accepted that the American people cannot remember ANYTHING past yesterday’s FOX or CNN newscasts.

For years, I have been trying to get people to understand that the key agenda driving both parties in Washington, D.C., is WAR. Neocons and neolibs are all about WAR. They can argue and wrangle about social and domestic issues as much as they want, but what unites them is WAR. When will the American people come to realize that there is just ONE PARTY in Washington, D.C.: THE WAR PARTY?

It didn’t take long for the icons of the War Party to begin patting Trump on the back for his attack against Syria. War Party potentates who never had a kind word to say about Donald Trump are now praising him for his “brave” decision to bomb Syria. Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan, and the bulk of War Party propagandists in the mainstream media have joined the chorus lauding Trump’s missile attack. For example, MSNBC’s Brian Williams called the attack “beautiful.”

Even Democrats are not immune from the wrath of the War Party. “Hawaii Representative Tulsi Gabbard went on CNN Friday and said she's not sure Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad was behind the attack. The Iraq War veteran said, ‘I'm skeptical because we have to take at a premium the cost of these wars not only on the Syrian people and the people in the middle east but the cost of these wars here in the United States.’"

No sooner than the words were out of the congresswoman’s mouth, and DNC Chairman Howard Dean fumed, "This is a disgrace. Gabbard should not be in Congress."

But the gritty Gabbard fired back, “Those who've declared Trump a habitual liar now vilify those refusing to blindly follow him into another regime change war. Hypocrisy.”

See the report:

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Faces Backlash From Fellow Democrats After Her Comments On Syria

Don’t you see? Republican Party or Democrat Party doesn’t matter; it is the War Party calling the shots.

There is a real correlation here between Donald Trump and Barack Obama. Obama deceived his voting base into believing that he was going to change the Bush war doctrine. He was going to be the “peace” President. But after being elected, Obama ordered ten times more drone attacks than Bush. In 2016 alone, Obama dropped more than 26,000 bombs. He arranged the largest weapons deal in U.S. history to the terrorist regime of Saudi Arabia. And he deployed thousands of U.S. military forces on Russia’s doorstep in Poland. Now, Trump is doing much the same thing.

Donald Trump campaigned on a message of peace and goodwill. But he is governing completely opposite of his campaign rhetoric. He has increased Obama’s military transfers to Saudi Arabia (weapons that are being used to kill thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Yemen). Just last month, Trump carried out more air strikes on Yemen than Obama did in all of 2016. He has increased Obama’s troop strength on Russia’s border. He has sent thousands of troops (including U.S. Special Forces, Marines, and the 82nd Airborne) into Middle Eastern countries--not to mention a massive show of naval power in the Sea of Japan. And now, he has launched a missile attack against Syria.

Acclaimed American journalist Glenn Greenwald wrote, “In the last two months, Trump has ordered a commando raid in Yemen that has massacred children and dozens of innocent people, bombed Mosul and killed scores of civilians, and bombed a mosque near Aleppo that killed dozens.” And that was BEFORE launching missiles against Syria, of course. 

Perhaps the best analysis of Trump’s Syrian missile attack that I’ve seen is provided by “The Saker”:

I don’t think that anybody seriously believes that Assad or anybody else in the Syrian government really ordered a chemical weapons attack on anybody.  To believe that it would require you to find the following sequence logical: first, Assad pretty much wins the war against Daesh which is in full retreat.  Then, the US declares that overthrowing Assad is not a priority anymore (up to here this is all factual and true).  Then, Assad decides to use weapons he does not have.  He decides to bomb a location with no military value, but with lots of kids and cameras.  Then, when the Russians demand a full investigation, the Americans strike as fast as they can before this idea gets any support.  And now the Americans are probing a possible Russian role in this so-called attack.  Frankly, if you believe any of that, you should immediately stop reading and go back to watching TV.  For the rest of us, there are three options:

1. a classical US-executed false flag.
2. a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin.  This option requires you to believe in coincidences.  I don’t.  Unless,
3. the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.

What is evident is that the Syrians did not drop chemical weapons from their aircraft and that no chemical gas was ever stored at the al-Shayrat airbase.  There is no footage showing any munitions or containers which would have delivered the toxic gas.  As for US and other radar recordings, all they can show is that an aircraft was in the sky, its heading, altitude and speed.  There is no way to distinguish a chemical munition or a chemical attack by means of radar.

Whatever option you chose, the Syrian government is obviously and self-evidently innocent of the accusation of having used chemical weapons.

See the report here: 

A Multi-Level Analysis Of The US Cruise Missile Attack On Syria And Its Consequences

And we cannot ignore the fact that Donald Trump’s attack on Syria violated international law, the U.S. Constitution, and, most importantly, the Natural Law of God. To again quote “The Saker”:

The US attack happened in direct violation of US law, of international law and of the UN charter.  First, I would say that there is strong legal evidence that the US attack violated the US Constitution, Presidential War Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization of Military Force (AUMF) resolution.  But since I don’t really care about this aspect of Trump’s criminal behavior, I will . . . just simply summarize the argument of those who say that what Trump did was legal.  It boils down to this: “yeah, it’s illegal, but all US Presidents have been doing it for so long that they have thereby created a legal precedent which, uh, makes it legal after all”.  I don’t think this kind of “defense” is worthy of a reply or rebuttal.  So now let’s turn to international law.

Most people think that crimes against humanity or genocide must be the ultimate crime under international law.  They are wrong.  The ultimate crime is aggression.  This is the conclusion of the Nuremberg Trial on this topic:

To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.

I have no idea who “The Saker” is, but he is the only person, other than myself, that I have read who publicly acknowledges that “The Crime of Aggression” is the most serious crime any nation can commit. I reached that conclusion through my study of Natural and Revealed Law. I am guessing “The Saker” came to that conclusion via other studies, but I am proud as a peacock that he had the heart and mind to understand and speak it.

I have a DVD on this topic. It’s called “The Crime Of Aggression: Condemned By The Law Of Nature And Nature’s God.” Find it here:

The Crime Of Aggression: Condemned By The Law Of Nature And Nature’s God

In my mind, it is no coincidence that Trump has suddenly decided to join the War Party. After Trump betrayed General Michael Flynn and Stephen Bannon (signaling everyone close to him that he will quickly throw anyone under the bus no matter how loyal they are to him--and to the principles he articulated on the campaign trail--and that his word is absolutely meaningless; not to mention the fact that Flynn and Bannon were the two guys Trump appointed to ostensibly keep an eye on “the swamp”), he immediately took counsel from two of his warmongering CFR appointees, General Herbert McMaster and K.T. McFarland. And never lose sight of the fact that Zionist son-in-law Jared Kurshner is the man who, for all intents and purposes, is overseeing Trump’s entire cabinet and overall foreign policy.

Bombing Syria and escalating global military aggression is EXACTLY what Hillary Clinton would have done had she been elected President. Although, I’m not sure she would have done it as quickly as Trump. And you can count on this: if this was President Clinton bombing Syria instead of President Trump, “conservative” radio talk show hosts, websites, and publications would NOT be giving her a pass on it like they are Trump. It seems that’s why the gamemakers let neocon Republicans win elections: they are the ones who are better able to take America into hot wars. “Conservatives” will let a Bush or a Trump do in the war department what they would never let a Clinton or an Obama do. And we MUST face it: talk is indeed cheap. Donald Trump has proven that he is just another neocon warmonger.

Folks, this could get REAL serious REAL fast. Of course, it’s been serious for those poor folks in the Middle East who are the victims of both ISIS and U.S. aggression. If you are a mom or dad living in the Middle East, what difference does it make to you whether your family is killed by ISIS terrorists or American drone and missile attacks? Your family is just as dead. But this could get real serious for the people of the United States as well.

People in America think themselves impervious to the violence and bloodshed taking place all over the world: violence and bloodshed of which we are a major instigator. We are constantly told that America is the “exceptional” nation and that God would never let anything like that happen HERE. We are wrong!

God is VERY angry with the United States. The blood of over 60 million unborn babies cries out from the ground. The Zionist-led war against America’s Christian heritage has totally triumphed, leaving America in the throes of a burgeoning godless, pagan country--no better than any pagan country on earth. For the most part, our churches are little more than carnivals and our pastors carnival barkers. Our economic, education, and political systems are totally corrupt. Our news media are mere puppets and propagandists. The Gospel is thriving in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, and it is dying in Western Europe and the United States. Don’t blame Muslims for the proliferation of mosques in the West; blame Christians.

From Day One, this has been my nagging concern about Donald Trump. No, Hillary Clinton was not an option. (The power elite always make sure that the real options, i.e., Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, et al., are always defeated in the primaries.) But neither is sitting back and excusing Donald Trump’s warmongering an option. The voting public did NOT elect Donald Trump so that he might continue these endless Middle Eastern wars--all fought on behalf of Israel, of course. Neither did they elect him to take us into a nuclear war with Russia.

I like “The Saker’s” take on this, too:

1. The Russians are afraid of war. The Americans are not.
2. The Russians are ready for war. The Americans are not.

If the voting bloc that elected Donald Trump doesn’t stand up LOUDLY and CLEARLY against Trump’s warmongering RIGHT NOW, what was 59 Tomahawk missiles raining down on Syria a few days ago could be scores of ICBMs raining down on the United States a few days from now.

P.S. We carry Major General Smedley Butler’s (USMC) outstanding book, “War Is A Racket,” in our online store. At the time, General Butler was the most decorated soldier in U.S. history. He twice received the Congressional Medal of Honor. He led several successful military operations in the Caribbean and in Central America as well as in Europe during the First World War. Despite his success and his heroic status, however, General Butler came away from these experiences with a deeply troubled view of both the purpose and the results of war.

Read this book, and you will NEVER look at war the same way again. And the book is inexpensive enough that you should get several copies for your friends.

Find General Smedley Butler’s fantastic book, “War Is A Racket,” here:

War Is A Racket



© Chuck Baldwin 

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 10:29:54 AM »
Great Article to Hopefully Spark Intelligent Discussion!

Funniest thing I've seen on here all day.
Feel Free to prove me completely wrong with elegant thoughtful replies....
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 10:34:41 AM »
EvadingGrid...What do you mean by your post? I made a bad subject line??

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 11:05:17 AM »
EvadingGrid...What do you mean by your post? I made a bad subject line??

Sorry, that was not the intention.
It was a cynical criticism of the resident Trump fans inability to defend Trump with anything but recycled talking points.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 11:18:51 AM »
EvadingGrid...What do you mean by your post? I made a bad subject line??

No Judge, you did not, it was a great article and I think many feel exactly that way. We all have had to step back and go OH SHIT and trying to make or figure out a way to make the best of a really bad situation.
Pray would be at this time a really good idea, because right now it looks like we are in a deep bunch of crap.

As far as EG goes you are going to have to ignore or take it with a grain of salt; because he is hard to figure out sometimes.
What do you under-stand?

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 11:21:45 AM »
Thanks guys...I gotcha...

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 09:52:48 PM »
 Given the fact the attack in Syria gave the Russins and most likely the Syrian mill time to get to a bunker, I suggest he was not intending on simply wacking out the lot of them, Yes-No? Putin may be aware of this, yes-No?
 The MOAB being dropped on a known terrorist stronghold base, tech, weaponry, with tunnels leading to escape to turkey was definelty a difinitve message .
  GWB opened Pandoras box under the guize of Arab Spring, just an oppinion this act will prove to these radical elements no matter what there motive is, be it money, power, revenge, forced recruiting does it indicate to folks he is attempting to bring the madness to an end. it is essential we bear in mind Trump was on the edge as to 911, his remark was (follow the money 911) , he advised against the invasion of Iraq long ago. Now what, is he about to allow expansion of the wars or attempt to stop the insanity.
 I don`t go along with Trump concerning Assad, that said the negotiations can`t begin untill the terrorists,ISIS or whatever they name themselves (among others unamed)are clearly aware resistance is futile, Americans didn`t invade these nations, the regimes did, their lies, deceptions, began this, is there any other way to end this nightmare. Perhaps Joining hands and singing kumbalha will  do it.
  If Im` wrong , and Trump wants more wars I will eat my shirt online. Pakistans name of their intelligence service is ISI, a coincidence I know, but I beleive the Paky`s are playing both sides.
 I feel for the innocents much more than the I can express in words.
   

 

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 10:22:52 PM »
^^^
OP

... I hate Baldwin calling DJT a 'warmonger'. He stepped into
what common sense would demand we call a near 'worldwide
war', especially if you include the spiraling jihad being waged
by imported crazy muslims throughout the West. We got boots-
on-the-ground everywhere you look. He hasn't started a d@mn
thing ... he is trying to complete (and win) what was started
years/decades ago and 'bring our boys & girls home'.
  I wish the second-guessing, Barcalounger-Chuck Baldwin-Generals
would just shut up and watch ... they are disgracing themselves.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 02:52:03 AM »
^^^
OP

... I hate Baldwin calling DJT a 'warmonger'. He stepped into
what common sense would demand we call a near 'worldwide
war', especially if you include the spiraling jihad being waged
by imported crazy muslims throughout the West. We got boots-
on-the-ground everywhere you look. He hasn't started a d@mn
thing ... he is trying to complete (and win) what was started
years/decades ago and 'bring our boys & girls home'.
  I wish the second-guessing, Barcalounger-Chuck Baldwin-Generals
would just shut up and watch ... they are disgracing themselves.

Jack

I'm with you and chris... I find it curious, the number of "members" who haven't posted here in years who are back... as rabid anti-Trumpers no less. We elected Trump to put the brakes on the industrial war machine, stop the unconstitutional multi-lateral trade agreements (treaties), repeal the Obama "legalized" health insurance fraud, remove the enticement and seal the breeches in the country's border, and return prosperity to the country...

The backstory on the "try not to hit the runways" Syrian Tomahawk strike, and the "just kill the combatants and prove to alCIAda/Isis/Muslim brotherhood/atal," that their deep mountain underground 'silk road and training facility' is a death trap when push comes to shove MOAB strike, becomes inclusively academic if you have more than 2 healthy brain cells firing.

Read The Art of the Deal you don't make deals with the crooked, the criminal, and terrorists.

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 08:31:02 AM »
Well said, Chris, Jackson, JT!


I use to think Baldwin had some good things to say, but now Im not so sure.
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 07:49:09 PM »
Another great article from Chuck Baldwin, thanks for posting.

Instead of performing mental contortions to justify what Trump is doing, Trump supporters would serve themselves and Trump much better by recognizing his serious errors and blunders, and vociferously pointing them out.

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 10:41:57 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4qkIh4bjWU
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 09:19:39 AM »
I'm confused.

Is Trump what you call "New World Order" ?


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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 10:33:40 AM »
The Trump Victory: What We Saw And What We Need To See
http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3533/The-Trump-Victory-What-We-Saw-And-What-We-Need-To-See.aspx

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Let’s be honest: we saw a historic election Tuesday night. The only election coming close to the stunning proportions of this election was Ronald Reagan’s first election in 1980. And even that one didn’t match Trump’s victory. Yes, it was a stunning victory for Donald Trump.

Let’s be clear about what we witnessed. In one presidential election, we saw a man completely demolish the neocon and neolib establishments of both major parties; the media establishment; the globalist establishment; Wall Street; the political machine of an incumbent President; and the Clinton/Bush political/criminal empires. The odds of ANYONE being able to overcome the combined wealth and power of the leviathans above was absolutely zero. Each one of the listed cabals has enough power to destroy any would-be challenger. That Donald Trump was able to beat them all was truly incredible--maybe even miraculous. And he not only beat them; he trounced them.


So, Baldwin speaks out of both sides of his mouth?
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 10:36:34 AM »
I'm confused.

Is Trump what you call "New World Order" ?

He is fighting the globalist NWO which is why he is getting so much flack from the globalist minions in the media and govt. if he was one of them the globalist owned  liberal media would fall all over themselves to support him. Your media lies which is also why you are confused.

When people write two articles saying opposite things (see above post), this is always confusing. This is why you and everyone must do your own research.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 10:46:04 AM »
He is fighting the globalist NWO which is why he is getting so much flack from the globalist minions in the media and govt.

Do you have any evidence to support that statement ?


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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 11:08:49 AM »
What a shame, really.  I do not think the US should be in conflicts aboard.  We should bow out gracefully and say our mea culpa's now.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 03:17:45 PM »
Do you have any evidence to support that statement ?

Do you have any evidence to support your view? You have only 2 posts?

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 03:22:46 PM »
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=319427.msg1624725#new


The public doesnt understand how corrupt DC is and how Trump is under an unprecedented attack from all angles. Trump voters are foolish if they give up on him this early. It shows they dont understand how bad things are in DC.

If you think you could deal with all these attacks, run for office. Otherwise you must support Trump!
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 03:33:55 PM »
He is fighting the globalist NWO which is why he is getting so much flack from the globalist minions in the media and govt.

I was only enquiring why you think Trump is fighting the New World Order ?

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 03:35:38 PM »
I was only enquiring why you think Trump is fighting the New World Order ?

Adam, this forum is full of info. So are many other websites. Its time to start doing a lot of reading, if you truly want to be informed!
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 03:46:34 PM »
Adam, this forum is full of info. So are many other websites. Its time to start doing a lot of reading, if you truly want to be informed!

Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I did look for threads about Trump and the New World Order, but I only found threads on Obama and his predecessor Bush. Also found odd comments, which taken out of context did not make any sense. I understood the politics of broken post election politics in the article and comments.

What I do not understand is by which judgements or processes it is decided if a president is a member of the New World Order.

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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 07:22:10 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I did look for threads about Trump and the New World Order, but I only found threads on Obama and his predecessor Bush. Also found odd comments, which taken out of context did not make any sense. I understood the politics of broken post election politics in the article and comments.

What I do not understand is by which judgements or processes it is decided if a president is a member of the New World Order.

Notice that your first search showed Obama and Bush were NWO.

Once you learn what the NWO is, then you can tell who wants it and who is trying to stop it. If you want to learn, start reading here.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=5530

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showforum=91

Btw, why did you just join the forum?
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2017, 07:51:31 PM »
I'm not giving up on Trump yet but I am disappointed that it appears he is at that behest of Zionists who have him internationally (and publicly) dipping his dick into another regime change war.
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2017, 09:39:22 AM »
Adam,

Go here to continue your questions and comments On the topics you are concerned about. You will get more answers by starting your own topic.

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Re: Great Article to Hopefully Spark Intelligent Discussion!
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2017, 01:51:47 PM »
Another great article from Chuck Baldwin, thanks for posting.

Instead of performing mental contortions to justify what Trump is doing, Trump supporters would serve themselves and Trump much better by recognizing his serious errors and blunders, and vociferously pointing them out.
                 Hi chanegeling...
  During my tours in nam for the majority of time on the Cambodian border, not that I gree with the Vietnam war, I do not. 
There is  a corelaltion in the reasoning, though we could be mortar and  rocket attacked from the enemy crossing the border, we could not, it was forbidden . In effect they could attack us and we could not  simply defend troops without crossing the Cambodian border, in short they simply went back to safe territory, liken it to a safe house.
  (Please know I was against the war before challenging this as were 80% of he troopers I served with).
That said, Pakistan reminds me of this situation, not that I agree with any of these invasion, just that Trump inherited a 15 year war, if he didn`t stop the massive infiltration and put to rest the age old stronghold the resistance would continue as it would be unavoidable,  build up would continue.  He did not attack the Paky`s, he reamined within the law internationaly, but they were sent a message as well it has been said the Paky`s have supplied weaponry to the so called Jihadists since 2011, check it out.
  The air strike on the SYrian air base,  this was in my opinion a gaffer, puzzle that could prompt various theorys.
He did warn the Russians working with Syrian troops, doesn`t it go to follow the Syrian troops would get a heads up as well..Of course.. I can only imagine the insanity of a civil war, you know we had one, it was horror on steroids.   Syria has cooperated with Russia, bases, funding, trade etc..The powermongers &nutters and their backers want syria, in short I beleive most of the rebs invovled from the beggining were backed.
  Main stream news promoted the rhetoric Assad killed 400,000 *CNN* of his people, do you beleive this guy actually wanted to wack out his own people  or perhaps to stop the targeted agression, you realize all of these so called Civil war fighters have been finacialy backed, armed to the teeth and determined to take out Syria, controll, domination, etc.    My problem with Assad is simple, he was not next in line as a leader, his older brother was but was killed in a auto accident. SO, Assad at this time was attending a medical university to become an eye surgeon, a humane gesture to say the least.  He was forced into position, from wanabe eye doc to genocide artist.UMMH
,Now that he took the throne there is a civil war. Considering Arab Sring had begun, nation after nation invaded he may have realized he was on the list.  End rant.. These powers NEED to get together, not simply send envoys..

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Re: Great Article to Hopefully Spark Intelligent Discussion!
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2017, 06:17:49 PM »
Cool, we got some gears turning in new members' brains and that's intelligent discussion.
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Re: Great Article to Hopefully Spark Intelligent Discussion!
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2017, 09:59:59 PM »
I'm not giving up on Trump yet but I am disappointed that it appears he is at that behest of Zionists who have him internationally (and publicly) dipping his dick into another regime change war.
Hi Fragus & welcome to the site.
             Trump didn`t start this shitshow, you know that. So give me a heads up, how can he stop it.
Independent of who is behind this be it Zionists, Globalists, Elites, Govs.  the Cabal, whatever works to give this movement a name, Arab Spring-that was cool, it sounds like grass growing and flowers budding.
              Assad given the opportunity I beleive would step down if it meant peace would reign and his people could have a chance to live and the following regime would not be a tribe of nutters or a globalist sit in. A return to sanity would be refreshing for the lil people, the ones who truly pay the price for this multi national con.
             That out the way, wars are planned thats it. Stopping them is a different can of worms, how does that work unless it becomes a reality for those who invaded, they are dettered & exposed. Now we are getting to the base of the ole iceberg, there is so much to say without a long boring rant. We, USA and globally have been conned for decades, the fat cats on high don`t think we have an IQ`s above 60, emotions to them are a weakness, the manipulation, controll, greed, power is truly beyond us average guys comprehension. The Zionists exist, even Joey Biden was caught telling an Iz diplomat, ( ~ I too am a Zionist ~), I get it, but it is simply a peice of the cabal.
    Without profit there would be no wars, an oldy but a goody.
There are multudes of sucklings, parasites who feed from the blood of humanity, it`s kinda historical.
    GWB invaded Iraq conning the masses they were chock full of Factorys of  WMD`s, was the bushmaster a Zionist, was Chenney, Rice, HRC etc.. Did Bush work for IZ?  Or was there a team-a global club on high, my bitch is the GP didn`t demand an answer after a few hundred thousand were obliviated, a nation tumbled, and the fat cats knowledge that a vaccum would be created and filled with mercs , finatics, forced recruits etc. They knew these wars would rag on and on. What is neglected is what happens here USA, the true target-just an opinion.
  My op, our regimes began this, our present regime must stop it.
  Question> How would you stop the ISIS?     If Damascus is leveled what happens next?.