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"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« on: April 02, 2017, 11:02:14 PM »
Ephesians 6:5 (NIV)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2017, 11:37:49 PM »
I only serve one master, and he is God [YHVH]

Ephesians 6:1-24 (KJV)

[In it's full context]

6:1  Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

6:2  Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

6:3  That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

6:4  And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

6:5  Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

6:6  Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

6:7  With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:

6:8  Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

6:9  And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

6:10  Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

6:11  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

6:13  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

6:14  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

6:15  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

6:16  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

6:18  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

6:19  And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

6:20  For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

6:21  But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:

6:22  Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.

6:23  Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

6:24  Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2017, 11:52:48 PM »
Does the book of Ephesians instruct slaves ("bondservant" is just another word for slave -- look it up) to "obey" their earthly "masters" as they would Christ himself, or doesn't it?

That's a simple yes-or-no question one cannot make go away by invoking the magic word "context."
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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2017, 01:03:40 AM »
Does the book of Ephesians instruct slaves ("bondservant" is just another word for slave -- look it up) to "obey" their earthly "masters" as they would Christ himself, or doesn't it?

That's a simple yes-or-no question one cannot make go away by invoking the magic word "context."

It's not a simple yes-or-no question.  That's why Bible Study tools are important to understand God's Word.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

6:5 Servants 1401, be obedient 5219 5720 to them that are [your] masters 2962 according to 2596 the flesh 4561, with 3326 fear 5401 and 2532 trembling 5156, in 1722 singleness 572 of your 5216 heart 2588, as 5613 unto Christ 5547;


Example of translation:
Quote
Word: douloj

Pronounce: doo'-los

Strongs Number: G1401

Orig: from 1210; a slave (literal or figurative, involuntary or voluntary; frequently, therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency):--bond(-man), servant. G1210

Use: TDNT-2:261,182 Noun

Heb Strong: H5291 H5647 H5650 H5971

1) a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
1a) a slave
1b) metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men
1c) devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
2) a servant, attendant
http://www.godrules.net/library/kjvstrongs/kjvstrongseph6.htm

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Working for someone you are a servant.
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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2017, 01:22:12 AM »
It's not a simple yes-or-no question.

Yes it is.

We can't both be right, so once again we'll simply have to agree to disagree and let readers decide for themselves with whom they most concur.
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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2017, 01:50:38 AM »
Proverbs 22:7

(NIV): "The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender."

(KJV): "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

(ESV): "The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender."

Slave, servant.

Tomato, tomahto.

Two words for the same thing.
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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2017, 02:13:17 AM »
More "out of context" quotes about slaves "servants":

1 Timothy 6:1

(NIV): "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered."

(ESV): "Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled."

(KJV): "Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed."


Colossians 3:22

(NIV): "Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

(ESV): "Bondservants, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord."

(KJV): "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God."


Titus 2:9

(NIV): "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them."

(ESV): "Bondservants are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative."

(KJV): "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again."
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

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Re: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2017, 02:56:07 AM »
To paraphrase Eric Cartman:

"'Servants'? Hoho, that is brilliant, sir."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdc0u7fDwE8

"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
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