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Voter Suppression in the USA
« on: March 19, 2017, 04:41:33 PM »

Let's not forget voter suppression, dubbed the unoffical return of Jim Crow laws, which mostly targets Black and Hispanic voters.


Ethnic Votes Stolen in Crucial States Help Fix US Election For Trump Reveals Greg Palast

http://www.gregpalast.com/ethnic-votes-stolen-crucial-states-help-fix-us-election-trump-reveals-greg-palast/


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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 05:32:48 PM »
Let's not forget voter suppression, dubbed the unoffical return of Jim Crow laws, which mostly targets Black and Hispanic voters.

Let's also not forget the extent to which Hillary unofficially benefited from illegal voting:

-- http://investmentwatchblog.com/study-2-1-million-hispanics-may-have-illegally-voted-for-hillary/
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 08:20:57 PM »
So basically voter ID laws suppressed the vote of illegal aliens , functional illiterates and mentally disabled people or those that just stayed home and didn't vote .. hmmm

http://www.theroot.com/was-the-2016-election-stolen-by-massive-voter-suppressi-1790858003
Was the 2016 Election Stolen by Massive Voter Suppression?
Lauren Victoria Burke
12/05/16 5:48am
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The Lawyers Committee also released a report titled, "Striving to #ProtectOurVote in 2016: A Snapshot of Election Protection 2016."

"Did voter suppression have an impact? Absolutely, voter suppression had an impact," said writer Ari Berman, who is the author of Give Us the Ballot. Berman spoke at the over-crowded conference.

"Look at Wisconsin. Trump won Wisconsin by 22,000 votes, but 300,000 registered voters didn't have strict forms of voter ID [ Or stayed home ! ] . Clearly it had an impact. But even if voter suppression had no impact on the election, the fact that one party made it deliberately harder to vote was a huge national scandal," said Berman.

Within the pages of the Lawyers Committee's 30-page report on voting were details of the impact of new voter-ID laws and the gutting of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The 2016 election was the first in 50 years without the full protections of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The election turned out exactly the way one would imagine it would: with numerous examples of local officials either misrepresenting the law or making it more difficult to cast a ballot.
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http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/dec/07/tweets/were-300000-wisconsin-voters-turned-away-polls-201/
Were 300,000 Wisconsin voters turned away from the polls in the 2016 presidential election?

By Tom Kertscher on Wednesday, December 7th, 2016 at 5:00 a.m.

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By Dec. 6, 2016 -- midway through the $3.5 million recount, paid for by the campaign of Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein -- the tweet was still being retweeted.

(Stein, by the way, earned a Pants on Fire for her claim that Wisconsin uses outlawed voting machines.)

There’s no evidence that 300,000 Wisconsin voters were turned away from the polling places because they didn’t have photo identification.

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2016 election

So, how many people were turned away in the 2016 presidential election for lack of photo ID?

In Wisconsin, according to the state Elections Commission, there were 2,975,313 votes cast for president in 2016 (prior to the recount), down 93,121 votes or 3 percent from 2012.

The Milwaukee election director said the drop of 41,000 included "some of the greatest declines" in areas "we projected would have the most trouble with voter ID requirements." He also acknowledged, however, that some of the drop-off had to do with the candidates and less enthusiasm for the candidates.

But no statistics are kept on the number of people who were turned away at polling locations on election day for lack of photo ID.

In any case, it’s almost certain the figure is not 300,000.

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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 03:29:43 PM »
Let's also not forget the extent to which Hillary unofficially benefited from illegal voting:

-- http://investmentwatchblog.com/study-2-1-million-hispanics-may-have-illegally-voted-for-hillary/

The political aspect of this was not the reason for posting on the Slavery thread, which is where this post was moved from, but it came with the info, so to speak.

And this subject is relevant to modern day slavery because it is about disenfranchisement. Voter suppression also targets mostly blacks and hispanics, as Greg Palast's evidence shows.

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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2017, 03:44:12 PM »
The political aspect of this was not the reason for posting on the Slavery thread, but it came with the info, so to speak.

And this subject is relevant to modern day slavery because it is about disenfranchisement. Voter suppression also targets mostly blacks and hispanics, as Greg Palast's evidence shows.

Letting people who aren't even citizens vote has potentially the same effect as voter suppression by drowning out (to one extent or another) the voices of those who are actually eligible to vote.

Can you or I walk into Mexico, China, Syria or Somalia and vote in their elections without so much as a photo ID?

Why should America be the exception to that rule?

Because a Democratic Party operative on CNN or MSNBC might scream "racist!" or "xenophobe!" ??
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2017, 04:11:27 PM »
Letting people who aren't even citizens vote has potentially the same effect as voter suppression by drowning out (to one extent or another) the voices of those who are actually eligible to vote.

Can you or I walk into Mexico, China, Syria or Somalia and vote in their elections without so much as a photo ID?

Why should America be the exception to that rule?

Because a Democratic Party operative on CNN or MSNBC might scream "racist!" or "xenophobe!" ??

Non-citizens should not be allowed to vote as a matter of principle. However some of the objections to the measures which purportedly combat this problem, revolve around the idea that they will also impact poorer and less educated legal citizens; so it becomes a form of voter suppression:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

However, Greg Palast's case is not about Voter ID directly, but rather a system which purports to combat multiple voting, but which is an obvious voter suppression scam, known as Crosscheck:

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

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Can you or I walk into Mexico, China, Syria or Somalia and vote in their elections without so much as a photo ID?

Why should America be the exception to that rule?

I'm not sure about those countries, but many countries, more comparible to the US, such as Australia, Denmark, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, do not require any ID to vote, and many others only require minimal and easy to obtain ID:

http://harvardlpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/3.2_8_Schaffer.pdf

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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 11:03:52 AM »
http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/judge-dismisses-suit-alleging-georgia-wrongly-bumped-voters-off-rolls/TQS4c2yrM5MOszAzWpiNyK/
Judge dismisses suit alleging Georgia wrongly bumped voters off rolls
    Kristina Torres The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
7:08 p.m Friday, March 17, 2017


A federal judge in Atlanta late Friday dismissed a lawsuit that had accused Secretary of State Brian Kemp of illegally bumping Georgia voters off the state’s rolls ahead of the 2016 presidential election.

In the 21-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Timothy C. Batten Sr. said the state had taken a “reasonable and nondiscriminatory” approach in trying to reach voters who had not cast a recent ballot to confirm their addresses.

Under state law, registered voters are mailed a confirmation notice following a more than three-year period of “no contact” with election officials. If voters do not respond to the notice within thirty days, they are designated as inactive — something that does not prevent them from voting and does not change their registration status.

If voters then remain inactive for two federal election cycles, meaning they have not voted or had contact with election officials for at least another four years, they are removed from voting rolls.

The suit filed early last year by the Georgia NAACP and government watchdog group Common Cause claimed the state’s “trigger” for contacting voters violated federal voting laws including the National Voter Registration Act. They argued voters had a constitutional right not to vote, and state officials could not legally demand confirmation of address if they had no reason to believe a voter had moved other than that they had not cast a ballot.
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 11:46:21 AM »
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/26/judge-tosses-lawsuit-challenging-arizona-presidential-primary-results/83561630/
Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Arizona presidential primary results
After two days testimony, Judge David Gass concludes that there was not enough evidence to move forward with a trial.

After two days of testimony, a Maricopa County Superior Court judge dismissed a lawsuit filed to invalidate the March Arizona presidential preference election.

The suit was filed against Secretary of State Michele Reagan and every Arizona county by attorney Michael Kielsky on behalf of a Tucson man named John Brakey, who says his occupation is "election integrity activist." In their pleadings, they alleged that voter-registration requests were mishandled and the number of polling places in Maricopa County was improperly cut.

Hearings Monday and Tuesday were to determine if there was legal cause to go forward with trial.
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During his argument, Kielsky further alleged that 100,000 voters were disenfranchised and that fraud had been committed. He paraded numerous angry voters to the witness stand, but on cross-examination, assistant Maricopa County attorneys were able to show that most of their votes had in fact been counted.
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After the hearing, Brakey said he did not intend to appeal the ruling.

"We've achieved what we wanted," he said.

Kielsky elaborated: "We did achieve one of our goals. We were able to present the evidence that we could muster to expose some of the (voting) misdeeds."
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 11:56:04 AM »
Voter suppression - easy :   Problem voter fraud millions of illegals etc..., Reactions from BrightFart to Hillary etc... , Solution ---> Demands for Voter ID.


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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 12:10:49 PM »
Voter suppression - easy :   Problem voter fraud millions of illegals etc..., Reactions from BrightFart to Hillary etc... , Solution ---> Demands for Voter ID.

I live in Ohio. The last time I voted, I had to show a photo ID. Does that mean I was being discriminated against for being white?

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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 12:21:34 PM »
Palast's whole push was that minority voters ("Hernandez")  votes were not / are not counted ... I just don't buy the bs  ....
The ACLA etc would be all over it and expose it ... or Palast would show it .....
Making a list doesn't equate to disenfranchisement . And especially in Demoncat controlled precincts they want "their" votes counted often more than once.  Anyway ... I haven't seen the proof of it all ...  Your name is not on a ballot ...

And the last votes counted are provisional ,... or on a recount ... and then they need to verify the provisional ..
 


Let's not forget voter suppression, dubbed the unoffical return of Jim Crow laws, which mostly targets Black and Hispanic voters.

Ethnic Votes Stolen in Crucial States Help Fix US Election For Trump Reveals Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/ethnic-votes-stolen-crucial-states-help-fix-us-election-trump-reveals-greg-palast/
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 12:25:53 PM »
I live in Ohio. The last time I voted, I had to show a photo ID. Does that mean I was being discriminated against for being white?

I have a lot of problems because I do not have any Photo ID.

As for colour, no politicians ever cared about colour - that is just an issue for the muppet sheeple.
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 12:53:32 PM »
Check out these names on the voter roles :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-riNIqqtIRc
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 01:31:01 PM »
I have a lot of problems because I do not have any Photo ID.

As for colour, no politicians ever cared about colour - that is just an issue for the muppet sheeple.

Does that mean a U.S. citizen -- and Trump supporter -- should be allowed to fly over to England or France or Germany and vote in whatever election they feel like without having to show any proof that he or she is an actual citizen of that country?
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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2017, 09:51:12 AM »
I agree with Geo. It's a reasonable request to prove you are who you say you are when voting in elections.

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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2017, 01:55:48 PM »
Does that mean a U.S. citizen -- and Trump supporter -- should be allowed to fly over to England or France or Germany and vote in whatever election they feel like without having to show any proof that he or she is an actual citizen of that country?
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you have to be on the electoral register and receive a polling card to vote at the polling station or receive a postal vote in the uk

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Re: Voter Suppression in the USA
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2017, 02:21:59 PM »
This whole story was to refute and counter the Trump and Tea Party allegation of  Voter Fraud ...  ie election shenanigans of multiple voting (which I have a seen myself where Californians are registered in multiple counties and voting in federal elections ... ( maybe legal in state elections!)   " the election is rigged " ( but by who ? the demoncats? no that could not be ... )

Bussing people to vote ... infirmed veters ... illegal aliens voting ...  ballot stuffing ( electronic too ! )

Not to mention long term precinct gerrymandering


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/310163-report-too-many-votes-registered-in-detroit-precincts
Report: Too many votes registered in Detroit precincts
By Rebecca Savransky - 12/13/16 11:54 AM EST

President-elect Donald Trump  won Michigan by 10,704 votes, but Hillary Clinton  received more votes in Detroit and Wayne County.
The state's recount effort ended Friday after a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Detroit precincts were among some of the precincts that couldn't be counted during the presidential recount because of a state law that bars the precincts from being recounted if the numbers don't match, unless there's a valid explanation.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-14/mass-detroit-voter-fraud-37-detroit-precincts-tallied-more-ballots-voters
Mass Detroit Voter Fraud? - 37% Of Precincts Counted More Ballots Than Voters
by Tyler Durden
Dec 14, 2016[/b] 10:40 PM


Team Hillary, which was supportive of Jill Stein's recount efforts, should be careful what they wish for.  New data from Michigan's State Elections Director Chris Thomas, reveals that voting machines in 37% of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they had of actual voters showing up at the polls.  The scale of the "voting irregularities" has prompted an automatic vote audit by the Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson.  Per the Detroit News:
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