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IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit
« on: March 14, 2017, 04:33:26 AM »
IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit

Here we go AGAIN
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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit - A G A I N !
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2017, 04:44:27 AM »
What Nicola Sturgeon said and what she really meant[
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/scottish-independence-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-said-really/


Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants another Scottish independence referendum before the UK leaves the EU. Here we examine what she said – and what she meant.



'Made in Scotland, by the People of Scotland'

What she said:

“The UK Government was clear in 2014 that an independence referendum should be, in their words, 'made in Scotland, by the people of Scotland' – that is a principle that should be respected today.”

Analysis

Nicola Sturgeon wants to give the impression that Scots can control their own fate, and vote on whether to leave the UK when they like.

But this is not the case – the Scottish government has to request the right to hold a referendum; and the UK Government has to agree.

Theresa May, the Prime Minister, has a difficult path to tread, stating that now is not the time for a referendum, rather than ruling one out altogether.


The section 30 order

What she said:

“Next week I will seek the approval of the Scottish Parliament to agree with the UK government the details of a section 30 order - the procedure that will enable the Scottish Parliament to legislate for an independence referendum.”

Analysis

Scotland can hold a referendum as long as the Scottish Parliament, and both Houses of Parliament agree to trigger section 30 of the 1998 Scotland Act.

This will trigger the transfer of the power to hold the referendum to Edinburgh.It is thought she will accept the principle of a vote but refuse to transfer the powers until after Brexit, arguing that only then will Scots know the choice they face.


'When the terms of Brexit are known'

What she said:

 “If Scotland is to have a real choice - when the terms of Brexit are known, but before it is too late to choose our own course - then that choice must be offered between the autumn of next year, 2018, and the spring of 2019.”

Analysis

Ms Sturgeon wants Scots to vote on their future in the European Union before Brexit, which is likely to be at the end of March 2019.

This would help the nationalists capitalise on uncertainty caused by Brexit and make voting to leave the UK and rejoin the EU more attractive.


An independent Scotland will 'secure our relationship with Europe'

What she said:

“We will be frank about the challenges we face and clear about the opportunities independence will give us to secure our relationship with Europe, build a stronger and more sustainable economy and create a fairer society.”

Analysis

Ms Sturgeon believes Scotland has a better future inside the European Union but outside the United Kingdom, justified by the fact that a majority of Scots voted to remain in the EU at last June’s referendum.

But the EU does not see it this way, not least because it could potential nationalist uprisings in other member states, like Catalonia in Spain.

The European Commission has suggested an independent Scotland would join the back of the queue of other countries hoping for EU membership.


'A common travel area'

What she said:

“There is across these islands a common travel area – there is absolutely no reason why that would or should change if Scotland became an independent country.”

Analysis

Ms Sturgeon will be worried that a “hard” Scottish border after Brexit would be devastating for Scottish companies that “export” into England.

She envisages a common travel area will exist within the islands of Great Britain citing the likely post-Brexit solution in the island of Ireland.


'The kind of change we want'

What she said:

“Having Scotland’s referendum - at a time when the terms of Brexit are known - will give the Scottish people a choice about the kind of change we want. And it must be a choice for all of us.”

Analysis

Ms Sturgeon is careful not to say she will win any vote – what she wants is to give Scots a “choice” about their future.

No wonder - the latest polling published hours before Ms Sturgeon spoke suggests that Scots would vote 52-48 in favour of remaining in the UK.

However a big worry for Mrs May will be that the nationalists started the last referendum campaign at just 32 per cent in early 2013 and rose to 45 per cent by September 2014.

With the polls on a knife-edge, Ms Sturgeon is gambling a considerable amount on winning. No wonder that less than 12 hours after Ms Sturgeon had spoken nearly £100,000 had been raised for the natoinalists' cause.

Last time leading political figures like David Cameron and Ed Miliband could argue that Scotland was better together with the UK and in the EU.

But this time such arguments by their successors will be harder to make because Scotland and Britain is leaving the EU and face a far more uncertain future.



'The same question as last time'

What she said:

“I can see no reason why it can’t be the same question as last time, but I don’t want to get ahead of ourselves, we have a process to go through.”

Analysis

In 2014 Scots were asked a simple question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?” Ms Sturgeon wants to ask it all over again.

David Cameron, the then-Prime Minister, was criticised for allowing the nationalists to campaign for a positive “Yes” vote.

Theresa May is likely to opt for a question which will elicit a more neutral “Remain/Leave” answer.

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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2017, 04:51:55 AM »
'It's deeply UNDEMOCRATIC' George Galloway scolds Nicola Sturgeon over Scottish referendum
GEORGE GALLOWAY has joined a host of critics berating Nicola Sturgeon over her announcement to call a second Scottish independence referendum.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778814/george-galloway-scolds-nicola-sturgeon-talkradio-undemocratic-scottish-referendum-indyref2
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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2017, 10:21:23 AM »
‘She's gone FULL TRUMP!’
 Davidson MOCKS Sturgeon as SNP chief has Twitter meltdown

NICOLA Sturgeon has been taken apart by her Holyrood rival Ruth Davidson for posting a series of petty Tweets this morning - with the leader of the Scottish Conservatives comparing her to Donald Trump.
By Joey Millar
PUBLISHED: 13:05, Tue, Mar 14, 2017 | UPDATED: 14:13, Tue, Mar 14, 2017
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/779017/ruth-davidson-nicola-sturgeon-tweets-trump-scottish-referendum



'At least I was elected!'
Nicola Sturgeon takes unbelievable SWIPE at May on social media

NICOLA STURGEON has taken a swipe at Theresa May this morning - reminding the Prime Minister she was never elected by the voting public.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/778972/nicola-sturgeon-theresa-may-scottish-referendum-twitter-elected
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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit <-----ROFL
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2017, 08:47:56 PM »
Nicola Sturgeon 'abandons plans to stay in the EU if she wins referendum' as polls show most Scots are Eurosceptics
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4314372/Nicola-Sturgeon-abandons-plans-stay-EU.html


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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit <-----ROFL
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 05:13:34 AM »
Sturgeon's SHOCK backtrack on bid to stay in EU as anti-Brussels sentiment SWEEPS Scotland
NICOLA Sturgeon has suffered a double humiliation with public support dramatically falling away from her plans to put Scotland under Brussels rule.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/779229/double-blow-Nicola-Sturgeon-humiliation-public-support-Scotland-EU

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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 09:42:24 AM »
Brexit won by a massive margin then if we remove the Scottish vote. It is obvious the scottish vote should no longer be counted.
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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 09:46:46 AM »
The shock horror - ( well maybe no surprise to us lot ) - is that the public support for Brexit has increased.
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Re: IndyRef2 - Scotland - EU - Brexit
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 02:45:40 PM »
Scottish Parliament DEFIES Theresa May to vote for a new independence referendum after Nicola Sturgeon warns the PM she WON'T back down even if Westminster says no
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4356890/Sturgeon-warns-WON-T-independence-vote-demand.html

HERE WE GO > >  > A GAIN !

Its the silly season because Brexit happens tomorrow

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