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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2017, 05:42:50 PM »
FINALLY: GOP BACKS TRUMP ON EXPOSING CLASSIFIED LEAKER - Someone leaking secured calls just like Clinton leaked classified emails

http://www.infowars.com/finally-gop-backs-trump-on-exposing-classified-leaker/

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2017, 06:53:14 PM »
Aj Steve Pieczenik (feb 15 Hr 3 time 42:00 says some interesting things about Gen Flynn. He was never intended to stay in that job. He helped get Trump elected. He did his job.)

http://cdn1.gcnlive.com/cache/gcn_archives/TheAlexJonesShow/TheAlexJonesShowFeb152017Hour3.mp3


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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2017, 07:15:24 PM »
Reuters: Vice Admiral Harward Trump Pick for National Security Adviser

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/15/reuters-vice-admiral-harward-trump-pick-nsa-chief/

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The Trump administration has offered the job of White House national security adviser, vacated by former U.S. intelligence official Michael Flynn, to Vice Admiral Robert Harward, said two U.S. officials familiar with the matter on Wednesday.
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2017, 10:00:03 PM »
^^^

se·di·tious

adjective
... inciting or causing people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
"the letter was declared seditious"

Obama Gave NSA Special Powers
To ‘Take Down Trump’

February 16, 2017 by Sean Adl-Tabatabai

Former President Barack Obama granted the NSA special powers
shortly before leaving office that would ensure the agency
could “take down Trump”.


According to a January story in the New York Times, Obama mysteriously expanded the National Security Agency’s powers to intercept personal communications of the President – something he had never been victim of himself:

 
The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

The change means that far more officials will be searching through raw data. Essentially, the government is reducing the risk that the N.S.A. will fail to recognize that a piece of information would be valuable to another agency, but increasing the risk that officials will see private information about innocent people.


Pjmedia.com reports:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/

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Let’s call the roster of the bad guys:

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15, according to a 23-page, largely declassified copy of the procedures.

Previously, the N.S.A. filtered information before sharing intercepted communications with another agency, like the C.I.A. or the intelligence branches of the F.B.I. and the Drug Enforcement Administration. The N.S.A.’s analysts passed on only information they deemed pertinent, screening out the identities of innocent people and irrelevant personal information.

Now, other intelligence agencies will be able to search directly through raw repositories of communications intercepted by the N.S.A. and then apply such rules for “minimizing” privacy intrusions.

“This is not expanding the substantive ability of law enforcement to get access to signals intelligence,” said Robert S. Litt, the general counsel to Mr. Clapper. “It is simply widening the aperture for a larger number of analysts, who will be bound by the existing rules.”

http://yournewswire.com/obama-nsa-powers-trump/
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2017, 10:05:08 PM »


I wish Flynn would be reinstated by Trump not accepting his resignation.

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2017, 07:43:47 AM »

... related from another thread ...
the three muslim brothers arrested
for hacking CONGRESS?


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... looks like it was THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD and
their DEM lackeys who set the whole thing up:


" ... Frontpage Magazine reported the brothers are Muslims from
Pakistan, but that has not been reported elsewhere and WND could
not independently confirm it."


PRISON TIME PREDICTED IN DEMS' NATIONAL-SECURITY SCANDAL
'Muslim operatives have managed to soak their way into very heart of our republic'
GARTH KANT

WASHINGTON – Democrats may have a major national security hacking
scandal on their hands that’s on the brink of exploding into public view.


Investigators, including Capitol Police, have been looking into whether classified or other sensitive information has been hacked by former information technology, or IT, staffers employed by Democrats in Congress.

Now, a source has confirmed to WND that the problem is so big,
it is being handled as a criminal matter. And the source says
suspects will likely receive prison sentences.


A House committee that deals with security-related issues is cooperating with Capitol Police in their investigation, according to the source.

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The fact that Capitol Police have acknowledged there is an investigation, but the HPSCI is confident its computer system was not compromised, suggests investigators may be looking into whether classified or sensitive material may have been illegally accessed on the individual computer systems of the Democratic lawmakers on the committee who employed the Awan brothers.

The three Democratic lawmakers who employed the Awan brothers and who are on the HPSCI include:

Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind.
Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif.
Rep. Joaquín Castro, D-Texas
Carson is the ranking member on HPSCI’s Emerging Threats subcommittee and also serves on the Department of Defense Intelligence and Overhead Architecture subcommittee.

He is also a Muslim who has what the Center for Security Policy calls “extensive and longstanding ties to organizations and individuals associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.”

http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/prison-time-predicted-in-dems-national-security-scandal/

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CIA does not trust Trump
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2017, 08:10:50 AM »
Today its "The CIA does not trust Trump to not leak serious intel to the Russians"

I'm getting even more bored with the daily predictable vacuous Trump bashing.
Makes me wonder just how serious they was over starting a War with Russia.
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2017, 08:14:58 AM »
Today its "The CIA does not trust Trump to not leak serious intel to the Russians"

I'm getting even more bored with the daily predictable vacuous Trump bashing.
Makes me wonder just how serious they was over starting a War with Russia.

http://www.infowars.com/deep-state-resistance-spies-withhold-intel-from-trump-says-wsj/
“Deep state” officials are withholding intelligence from President Donald Trump, despite the fact that he is the nation’s commander-in-chief, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal published Wednesday evening.

Crazy.
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2017, 08:31:19 AM »
^^^

... crazy indeed! Wait until DOJ starts to arrest
'deep state Democrats' for treason/sedition ...
the MSM are already writing their stories:
"TRUMP/PUTIN IN DOUBLE-DICTATOR COUP OF US GOVERNMENT!"
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2017, 08:36:36 AM »
^^^

... crazy indeed! Wait until DOJ starts to arrest
'deep state Democrats' for treason/sedition ...
the MSM are already writing their stories:
"TRUMP/PUTIN IN DOUBLE-DICTATOR COUP OF US GOVERNMENT!"

While we might want that to happen, how much of that is wishful thinking ?

Well today the Russians and Americans are talking, but we will have to be patient for announcement. Seems to me that they are trying to prevent and soil such an announcement.
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2017, 08:39:04 AM »
While we might want that to happen, how much of that is wishful thinking ?

Well today the Russians and Americans are talking, but we will have to be patient for announcement. Seems to me that they are trying to prevent and soil such an announcement.

HERE is the BIG STORY
Lavrov, Tillerson meet for 1st time at crucial point in Russia-US relations
https://www.rt.com/news/377534-lavrov-tillerson-g20-meeting/


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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2017, 09:15:29 AM »
I woke up this morning and the papers was full of  "Trump is a Russian Agent BS"

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Re: CIA does not trust Trump
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2017, 09:28:40 AM »
http://www.infowars.com/deep-state-resistance-spies-withhold-intel-from-trump-says-wsj/
“Deep state” officials are withholding intelligence from President Donald Trump, despite the fact that he is the nation’s commander-in-chief, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal published Wednesday evening.

Crazy.

HA HA LOL
All the Hoaxes that this government done on this country by the deep state; it would take a awful long time, and just start from JFK for a starting point, it would take maybe forever.
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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2017, 10:44:30 AM »

http://www.infowars.com/deep-state-resistance-spies-withhold-intel-from-trump-says-wsj/
“Deep state” officials are withholding intelligence from President Donald Trump
Crazy.


Its treasonous! The people involved must be exposed and brought to justice for their crimes!

Good intel, you need to rise up aganst these criminals within your ranks. That is your job. You no longer take orders from criminals! Find your manhood!
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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2017, 10:59:27 AM »
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2017, 12:40:39 PM »
Notice how the Hitlery CGI pay for play has gone dark ... no talk of prosecutions ... 
then there's the shadow Obama orgs:

http://www.trunews.com/article/is-obama-forming-a-shadow-government-to-resist-trump
Is Obama forming a shadow government to resist Trump?
February 13, 2017
Klein’s suspicion was bolstered by an editorial which ran in the New York Post this weekend from Paul Sperry, the author of “The Great American Bank Robbery”.

Sperry wrote:


In what’s shaping up to be a highly unusual post-presidency, Obama isn’t just staying behind in Washington. He’s working behind the scenes to set up what will effectively be a shadow government to not only protect his threatened legacy, but to sabotage the incoming administration and its popular “America First” agenda.

He’s doing it through a network of leftist nonprofits led by Organizing for Action. Normally you’d expect an organization set up to support a politician and his agenda to close up shop after that candidate leaves office, but not Obama’s OFA. Rather, it’s gearing up for battle, with a growing war chest and more than 250 offices across the country.

Since Donald Trump’s election, this little-known but well-funded protesting arm has beefed up staff and ramped up recruitment of young liberal activists, declaring on its website, “We’re not backing down.” Determined to salvage Obama’s legacy,”it’s drawing battle lines on immigration, ObamaCare, race relations and climate change.

Obama is intimately involved in OFA operations and even tweets from the group’s account. In fact, he gave marching orders to OFA foot soldiers following Trump’s upset victory…

…Obama is intimately involved in OFA operations and even tweets from the group’s account. In fact, he gave marching orders to OFA foot soldiers following Trump’s upset victory.

TRUNEWS correspondent Edward Szall received an email last week inviting him to sign up for updates from the ‘press office’ of Barack and Michelle Obama.

 This email added to previous discoveries on inauguration day, that an archive of Obama’s WhiteHouse.gov activity was being hosted on a stand alone website which maintains a striking resemblance to the current official government page for President Trump.

These actions, which seemingly chose to imitate the parallel official government equivalent in both appearance and branding, leave the average observer wondering if FORMER President Barack Obama has actually left office.
- See more at: http://www.trunews.com/article/is-obama-forming-a-shadow-government-to-resist-trump#sthash.a15A2aWN.dpuf


http://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-is-scheming-to-sabotage-trumps-presidency/
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He’s doing it through a network of leftist nonprofits led by Organizing for Action. Normally you’d expect an organization set up to support a politician and his agenda to close up shop after that candidate leaves office, but not Obama’s OFA. Rather, it’s gearing up for battle, with a growing war chest and more than 250 offices across the country.

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Far from sulking, OFA activists helped organize anti-Trump marches across US cities, some of which turned into riots. After Trump issued a temporary ban on immigration from seven terror-prone Muslim nations, the demonstrators jammed airports, chanting: “No ban, no wall, sanctuary for all!”

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It will be aided in that effort by the Obama Foundation, run by Obama’s former political director, and the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, launched last month by Obama pal Eric Holder to end what he and Obama call GOP “gerrymandering” of congressional districts.

Obama will be overseeing it all from a shadow White House located within two miles of Trump. It features a mansion, which he’s fortifying with construction of a tall brick perimeter, and a nearby taxpayer-funded office with his own chief of staff and press secretary. Michelle Obama will also open an office there, along with the Obama Foundation.

Run by old Obama aides and campaign workers, federal tax records show “nonpartisan” OFA marshals 32,525 volunteers nationwide. Registered as a 501(c)(4), it doesn’t have to disclose its donors, but they’ve been generous. OFA has raised more than $40 million in contributions and grants since evolving from Obama’s campaign organization Obama for America in 2013.

OFA, in IRS filings, says it trains young activists to develop “organizing skills.” Armed with Obama’s 2012 campaign database, OFA plans to get out the vote for Democratic candidates it’s grooming to win back Congress and erect a wall of resistance to Trump at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

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The 55-year-old Obama is not content to go quietly into the night like other ex-presidents.

“You’re going to see me early next year,” he told his OFA troops after the election, “and we’re going to be in a position where we can start cooking up all kinds of great stuff.”

Added the ex-president: “Point is, I’m still fired up and ready to go.”

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« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2017, 12:57:37 PM »
http://www.infowars.com/deep-state-resistance-spies-withhold-intel-from-trump-says-wsj/
“Deep state” officials are withholding intelligence from President Donald Trump, despite the fact that he is the nation’s commander-in-chief, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal published Wednesday evening.

Crazy.

It might sound counter-intuitive, but Trump, or any president, does not have the automatic right to classified information, even though he is the commander in chief and even though classification itself stems from executive orders going way back.

One of the importasnt factors in this is whether he 'needs to know'. From the WSJ article:

"In some of these cases of withheld information, officials have decided not to show Mr. Trump the sources and methods that the intelligence agencies use to collect information, the current and former officials said. Those sources and methods could include, for instance, the means that an agency uses to spy on a foreign governments"

Trump might be curious about what the sources are and what methods were used, but he has no need to know any of that. And if he did know it, is there a chance he could let something slip in a private conversation with Putin, who is a trained former intel officer, or someone else who he liked or who flattered him? If it was you (to everyone), with the responsibility for the security of the nation on your shoulders, would you really want to give the keys to the kingdom to Donald Trump?

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2017, 01:09:13 PM »
Will The CIA Assassinate Trump? Ron Paul Warns Of "More Powerful, Shadow Government"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-14/will-cia-assassinate-trump-ron-paul-warns-more-powerful-shadow-government
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Re: CIA does not trust Trump
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2017, 02:13:06 PM »
It might sound counter-intuitive, but Trump, or any president, does not have the automatic right to classified information, even though he is the commander in chief and even though classification itself stems from executive orders going way back.

One of the importasnt factors in this is whether he 'needs to know'. From the WSJ article:

"In some of these cases of withheld information, officials have decided not to show Mr. Trump the sources and methods that the intelligence agencies use to collect information, the current and former officials said. Those sources and methods could include, for instance, the means that an agency uses to spy on a foreign governments"

Trump might be curious about what the sources are and what methods were used, but he has no need to know any of that. And if he did know it, is there a chance he could let something slip in a private conversation with Putin, who is a trained former intel officer, or someone else who he liked or who flattered him? If it was you (to everyone), with the responsibility for the security of the nation on your shoulders, would you really want to give the keys to the kingdom to Donald Trump?

Yes, it seems JFK was denied information about off-world aliens.  So, who runs who and for what reason?  If CIA cannot hand over all information to the President, in order for the President to make a well-informed decision, then what good are they?  oh, just feed what information gets CIA's desired response?  Yea, so CIA runs *everything.*

IMHO, this needs to stop.  CIA should be dismantled and a reasonable organization take its place.   One that serves America (since we pay for it) by working *for* America and the President.

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2017, 02:34:50 PM »


http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/prosecute-soros-for-sedition/
Prosecute Soros for sedition
Exclusive: Erik Rush envisions stripping billionaire of citizenship
Published: 02/01/2017 at 7:40 PM

The recent protests against President Donald Trump and his policies pertaining to Muslim-nation émigrés present a valuable object lesson regarding contrived popular misrepresentations of First Amendment liberties. Here, we are able to see examples of individuals and organizations engaging in seditious behavior that is commonly tolerated due to fallacious interpretations of the First Amendment advanced by American socialists.

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We have learned that organizations tied to uber-socialist billionaire activist George Soros have had a hand in driving anti-Trump protests since his election, as have certain Islamist groups. The latter is certainly no surprise, since it reflects the 1,400-year-old Islamic tradition of insidiously ingratiating Islam to host nations with one hand whilst preparing to slide the scimitar in with the other. All we need do is look to Europe to see how this develops just a little further down the road we’re on, with riots, no-go zones, mass rapes and demands for conversion to Islam having become commonplace.
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In the case of George Soros, there are ample devices under the law that could be used to neutralize him if we moved away from the paradigm of tolerating the “America Sucks” culture. He has used his billions to institutionalize sedition on a variety of fronts, was instrumental in getting Obama elected to the presidency and tried his level best to do the same for Hillary Clinton.

Soros became an American citizen in December of 1961, but the Hungarian-born former World War II Nazi collaborator could easily be stripped of his citizenship on any number of grounds and unceremoniously deposited back on Hungarian soil if our leaders found sufficient vertebral fortitude to initiate the requisite proceedings. T

Tying up his financial holdings and confounding the efforts of his shell organizations would put a stop to many detrimental processes Soros has in place.

Rather than consciously engaging in sedition, a certain number of the protesters currently being engaged in these Islamophilic rallies are simply well-intentioned if profoundly ignorant and unaware of their own exploitation. Many more have been bought and paid for by the organizers, however, who can and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/prosecute-soros-for-sedition/#pcV6sRoEE1Vu4mlZ.99
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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2017, 04:41:54 PM »
^^^

... lock him up!
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Empowering the "Deep State" to Undermine Trump is Destroying Democracy
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2017, 04:46:55 PM »
In an excellent interview with LEFT LEANING DemocracyNow, Glenn Greenwald tells the TRUTH about Kristol's statements today - and also about how HYPOCRITICAL the media has been with regard to offenses committed by Hillary vs. Trump. Even if you don't agree with everything Greenwald has to say, you have to admit that it's refreshing to see a REAL journalist** come out in defense of the truth.

Greenwald: Empowering the "Deep State" to Undermine Trump is Prescription for Destroying Democracy
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/2/16/greenwald_empowering_the_deep_state_to
STORYFEBRUARY 16, 2017

Greenwald:

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... this is not just about Russia. You go all the way back to the campaign, and what you saw was that leading members of the intelligence community, including Mike Morell, who was the acting CIA chief under President Obama, and Michael Hayden, who ran both the CIA and the NSA under George W. Bush, were very outspoken supporters of Hillary Clinton. In fact, Michael Morell went to The New York Times, and Michael Hayden went to The Washington Post, during the campaign to praise Hillary Clinton and to say that Donald Trump had become a recruit of Russia. The CIA and the intelligence community were vehemently in support of Clinton and vehemently opposed to Trump, from the beginning. And the reason was, was because they liked Hillary Clinton’s policies better than they liked Donald Trump’s.

One of the main priorities of the CIA for the last five years has been a proxy war in Syria, designed to achieve regime change with the Assad regime. Hillary Clinton was not only for that, she was critical of Obama for not allowing it to go further, and wanted to impose a no-fly zone in Syria and confront the Russians. Donald Trump took exactly the opposite view. He said we shouldn’t care who rules Syria; we should allow the Russians, and even help the Russians, kill ISIS and al-Qaeda and other people in Syria. So, Trump’s agenda that he ran on was completely antithetical to what the CIA wanted. Clinton’s was exactly what the CIA wanted, and so they were behind her.


And so, they’ve been trying to undermine Trump for many months throughout the election.
And now that he won, they are not just undermining him with leaks,
but actively subverting him. There’s claims that they’re withholding information from him,
on the grounds that they don’t think he should have it and can be trusted with it.
They are empowering themselves to enact policy.


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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2017, 04:51:59 PM »
Andrew Napolitano: Donald Trump Has to ‘Fear the Intelligence Community’
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2017/february/16/andrew-napolitano-donald-trump-has-to-fear-the-intelligence-community/
Written by Adam Dick
Thursday February 16, 2017

President Donald Trump has to “fear the intelligence community,” declared Andrew Napolitano in a new interview with host Neil Cavuto at Fox News, after “American scoundrels” in the “unelected deep state bureaucracy” leaked information about Michael Flynn’s conversation with the Russian ambassador to the United States to get Flynn fired and “humiliate” Trump.

Looking to Trump’s situation now with the intelligence community, Napolitano, who is the Fox News senior judicial analyst and a Ron Paul Institute Advisory Board member, states:

    Now the president is confronted with this problem, Neil: Will the intelligence community truthfully and accurately tell the president what they know about threats to the United States, or do they not trust the president and will they keep vital information from him? “They” [being] the same people who leaked this stuff about General Flynn.

Watch Napolitano’s short and powerful interview here:
(Video at source link)

UPDATE: Napolitano discussed the intelligence community threat to Trump more in a new video commentary. In the commentary, Napolitano declares:

    There are obviously elements in the United States government, in the intelligence community, that want to frustrate Donald Trump. They want to frustrate his presidency because he is a threat to their power center, because he knows that they wish them ill and they have caused him harm, and now they are striking back.

Napolitano concludes his commentary with this advice for Trump: “There are elements in the government — executive branch of the government that works for you, Mr. President — that you need to get rid of.”

Watch Napolitano’s video commentary here: (Video at source link)
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« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2017, 05:52:17 PM »
Yes, it seems JFK was denied information about off-world aliens.  So, who runs who and for what reason?  If CIA cannot hand over all information to the President, in order for the President to make a well-informed decision, then what good are they?  oh, just feed what information gets CIA's desired response?  Yea, so CIA runs *everything.*

IMHO, this needs to stop. CIA should be dismantled and a reasonable organization take its place.   One that serves America (since we pay for it) by working *for* America and the President.

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Dismantleing the CIA is a bad idea and would please all of our adversaries very much. There are of course rogue elements which need to be reined in.

On the 'working for America and the President' statement, they should be working for America and the Constitution, that is the oath they took, NOT to the president. It's amazing that this was a well known fact here and at infowars until just a few weeks ago when suddenly that went down the memory hole. It is therefore entirely possible that government employees can be working against the president while keeping their oath.

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« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2017, 06:37:12 PM »
Dismantleing the CIA is a bad idea and would please all of our adversaries very much. There are of course rogue elements which need to be reined in.

On the 'working for America and the President' statement, they should be working for America and the Constitution, that is the oath they took, NOT to the president. It's amazing that this was a well known fact here and at infowars until just a few weeks ago when suddenly that went down the memory hole. It is therefore entirely possible that government employees can be working against the president while keeping their oath.

It's one thing to hold state secrets from foreign enemies for national security reasons. It's quite another to undermine your own chain of command by withholding information and acting out secretly. And if they undermine that, then what assurances do we have that they're not undermining the Constitution?

Does Trump control the agencies or do the agencies control Trump? Because if it's the latter, then the thing controlling the POTUS is a threat to national security.
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« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2017, 07:22:51 PM »
Dismantleing the CIA is a bad idea and would please all of our adversaries very much. There are of course rogue elements which need to be reined in.

On the 'working for America and the President' statement, they should be working for America and the Constitution, that is the oath they took, NOT to the president. It's amazing that this was a well known fact here and at infowars until just a few weeks ago when suddenly that went down the memory hole. It is therefore entirely possible that government employees can be working against the president while keeping their oath.

and just how do you suggest reining in those rogue elements? I vote for a small caliber bullet right behind the ear...

" On the executive side, the CIA must answer to three groups -- the National Security Council, the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and the Intelligence Oversight Board.

The National Security Council is made up of the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense. "

http://people.howstuffworks.com/cia.htm

so the CIA does work for the President as they must answer to him...

entirely possible???

yeah, sure, whatever...

its also "entirely possible" that three structures made a perfect fall to footprint, a camel jockey flew an airliner in a 270° ground level turn (read that as a military maneuver) pulling about 3 G's and too boot the aluminum nosecone blew through multiple hardened concrete walls, and also there's the little hole in the ground with no debris (parts, luggage, bodies) of Flight 93. surely possible, but in totality, on one day, highly improbable.

traitors, the lot of them, end of reasonable discussion as any other discussion plays with the concept of Trump is a traitor as justification and that has some very serious repercussions unlike what the media seems to believe.  Schumer, the whole left and its media arm can call the leakers heroes all the want, in the end they are guilty of high crimes and should be dealt with accordingly, swiftly and with brutality.

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« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2017, 08:41:58 PM »
Peerless, you like writing uppity posts  full of complete crap and waffle, but you never thank me for setting you straight; here is the previous example:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=318855.msg1620065#msg1620065

and just how do you suggest reining in those rogue elements? I vote for a small caliber bullet right behind the ear...
" On the executive side, the CIA must answer to three groups -- the National Security Council, the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and the Intelligence Oversight Board.
The National Security Council is made up of the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense. "
http://people.howstuffworks.com/cia.htm
so the CIA does work for the President as they must answer to him...
entirely possible???
yeah, sure, whatever...


No, fundamentally wrong. The Director of the CIA is an appointee and he/she is answerable to the NSC and to the president directly, but the CIA is made up of individuals who are answerable to their chain which ultimately ends up at the Director, but none of them serve at the pleasure of the president (unlike the Director) and none are answerable to the president. Specifically, their oath and responibility is to the country and the constitution.

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its also "entirely possible" that three structures made a perfect fall to footprint, a camel jockey flew an airliner in a 270° ground level turn (read that as a military maneuver) pulling about 3 G's and too boot the aluminum nosecone blew through multiple hardened concrete walls, and also there's the little hole in the ground with no debris (parts, luggage, bodies) of Flight 93. surely possible, but in totality, on one day, highly improbable.

traitors, the lot of them, end of reasonable discussion as any other discussion plays with the concept of Trump is a traitor as justification and that has some very serious repercussions unlike what the media seems to believe.  Schumer, the whole left and its media arm can call the leakers heroes all the want, in the end they are guilty of high crimes and should be dealt with accordingly, swiftly and with brutality.

That is a mixture of ridiculous babble and bizarre fantasy.

If Hillary was in power these 'criminal traitorous leakers' would be 'heroic whistle blowers'.

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"Swiftly and with brutality"

haha a little less hysteria and hypocrisy is required I think (and maybe a some meds and a lie down?)

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« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2017, 09:14:10 PM »
It's one thing to hold state secrets from foreign enemies for national security reasons. It's quite another to undermine your own chain of command by withholding information and acting out secretly. And if they undermine that, then what assurances do we have that they're not undermining the Constitution?

Does Trump control the agencies or do the agencies control Trump? Because if it's the latter, then the thing controlling the POTUS is a threat to national security.

I think a certain amount of time is required to get someone like Trump up to speed on what sort of information is available and what can be done with it. However I suspect that a 'secret' security clearance of sorts is assigned to a president and some are given more information than others, and Trump is probably on the low side. Trump is controlled by those who decide what he is told - the balance of information on which he makes a 'decision' - and the CIA is certainly part of that equation, but it's not as simple as either one controls the other or vice versa imo.

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« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2017, 11:19:16 PM »
It's one thing to hold state secrets from foreign enemies for national security reasons. It's quite another to undermine your own chain of command by withholding information and acting out secretly. And if they undermine that, then what assurances do we have that they're not undermining the Constitution?

Does Trump control the agencies or do the agencies control Trump? Because if it's the latter, then the thing controlling the POTUS is a threat to national security.

exactly,

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2017, 11:21:44 AM »
Insiders: Obama Holdover ‘Shadow Government’ Plotting to Undermine Trump
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/obama-shadow-government-may-working-undermine-trump/

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Retired Lt. Colonel Tony Schaffer, formerly a CIA-trained defense intelligence officer, said in a Fox Business appearance on Wednesday: “I put this right at the feet of John Brennan, and Jim Clapper, and I would even go so far as to say the White House was directly involved before they left.” He also mentioned Ben Rhodes


Its time to start prosecuting criminals who lurk behind the scenes and just cause trouble. One or more big maggots must be made an example of, so the lower maggot minions get the message.



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« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2017, 04:04:46 PM »
Peerless, you like writing uppity posts  full of complete crap and waffle, but you never thank me for setting you straight; here is the previous example:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=318855.msg1620065#msg1620065

No, fundamentally wrong. The Director of the CIA is an appointee and he/she is answerable to the NSC and to the president directly, but the CIA is made up of individuals who are answerable to their chain which ultimately ends up at the Director, but none of them serve at the pleasure of the president (unlike the Director) and none are answerable to the president. Specifically, their oath and responibility is to the country and the constitution.

That is a mixture of ridiculous babble and bizarre fantasy.

If Hillary was in power these 'criminal traitorous leakers' would be 'heroic whistle blowers'.

haha a little less hysteria and hypocrisy is required I think (and maybe a some meds and a lie down?)

really....uh huh...

the following is how a man deals with your insults: he doesn't run whining to a mod with a complaint like you do...

for someone who obviously has the education to correctly use the word rein (as opposed to reign) you certainly are oblivious to the concept of brutality being used in a non-physical way.  I'm just Jack's lack of surprise on that one  ;D

have a mighty fine day reading your Quran   ;)

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2017, 08:32:09 AM »
lmao love that one peerless ......

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2017, 09:24:04 AM »
Well, Trump nor the people trust the CIA (at least the rogue among them). They have a PR problem, and only they can fix that by removing the rogue among them.

Its time to clean your own house, boyz of intelligence. You are not looking very smart right now. Nor are you looking very honest withholding info from the President. But then if you give him lies, that you can withhold.

Little boys need to grow up, or be fired. Had it with all of you!

Lets hope the little boys leaking get prosecuted real fast, to set an example for the rest of the punks. Its shameful that this has to be even discussed. You people are shameful and do a disservice to your country.

Good intel guys must get these bad guys fired and bring some honor back to the CIA, and elsewhere. Do your damn job! We have had it with losers today n high places.

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2017, 07:52:09 PM »
Former CIA Officer Robert David Steele Lays Out The Purple Revolution Plan
http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/02/former-cia-officer-robert-david-steele-lays-out-the-purple-revolution-plan/

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Key Points:

• Former CIA officer Robert David Steele explains how Flynn was really fired because he was in possession of a high-level Washington DC

• Pedophile list with many names. One of those names was Vice President Mike Pence’s “best friend”.

• Steele also says that there are restaurants in Washington DC and Saudi Arabia where you can literally order children off of the menu.

• Former CIA officer: Flynn fired over high-level DC pedophile list


Is Steele a credible source? Others are saying similar things. Anyone know?

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #75 on: February 23, 2017, 08:19:27 PM »
Robert David Steele-Deep State Isolating Trump from We the People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfX5QhqbCpM

The problem I have with Steele is that he is positioning himself as a critical person to "save Trump"...
He wants to go on the road with Trump & Cynthia McKinney and visit every state in advance of the "MAY DAY revolution".

Hmmm...

Not sure about this guy. Very good for Steele's PR. But it begs the question: why is Trump in office if he needs David Steele and Cynthia McKinney to save him? Didn't the American people just elect a decisive businessman, billionaire-even, with a cabinet full of Generals and Goldman Sachs guys, his own 'house organ' in Breitbart?
I think Steele is kidding himself, perhaps genuinely (who knows), but I tend to think Trump will do as he wants, and send in the National Guard (or DynCorp) if things get revolutionary in DC in May.

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Re: The Political Assassination of Flynn by the "Permanent Government"
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2017, 10:24:16 PM »
^^^


.... there are about 50 conspiracies outlined there ... some have
the ring of truth and are things we have kicked around here
forever. Basically, if we drain the WHOLE swamp the US and
a bunch of our "allies" are gonna lose mucho "prestige". How,
for instance, can we go to war with head-chopping pedophiles
if we are, basically, a bunch of head-chopping pedophiles?
Trump may find that he can only drain a few inches of the
swamp since the WHOLE damn place is so interwoven and
inbred ... connected at the hip?
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« Reply #77 on: March 11, 2017, 10:37:53 AM »
Now WaPO NBC NPR etc are blasting this story ... hmmm ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/flynn-told-trump-team-he-might-register-as-a-foreign-agent/2017/03/10/7e30713a-05cb-11e7-b9fa-ed727b644a0b_story.html?utm_term=.0613be00174c
Flynn told Trump team he might register as a foreign agent

 By Ashley Parker March 10 at 11:53 PM

Attorneys for Michael Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, informed the incoming White House legal counsel during the transition that Flynn might need to register with the government as a foreign agent — a phone call that raised no alarms within Trump’s team, despite the unusual circumstance of having a top national security post filled by someone whose work may have benefited a foreign government.

The firm Flynn headed, Flynn Intel Group, was hired last year when Flynn was an adviser to the Trump campaign by the Netherlands-based firm ­Inovo BV, which is owned by Turkish businessman Ekim Alptekin. Alptekin has close ties to Turkish President Recep Tay­yip Erdogan.

Although the contract ended after the election, new details about the work Flynn did for Inovo resurrect the controversy over his short tenure as Trump’s top national security aide.
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“The primary bone of contention between the U.S. and Turkey is Fethullah Gülen, a shady ­Islamic mullah residing in Pennsylvania whom former president Clinton once called his ‘friend’ in a well circulated video,” Flynn wrote.

“Gülen portrays himself as a moderate, but he is in fact a radical Islamist,” he wrote.

Flynn resigned from his White House post last month after just 24 days on the job amid reports he misled Vice President Pence about his contacts with the Russian ambassador.


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...Flynn’s ties to Turkey underscore how the specter of the controversial retired lieutenant general still hangs over the White House.
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Trump was never informed that his top national security pick felt he might need to register as a foreign agent, the White House said Friday.
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Nearly four weeks after his departure, the White House still can’t seem to escape Flynn.
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