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US judge temporarily blocks Trump's travel ban nationwide (Media said this order is not even in written form yet, just made orally)
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/article130536239.html
http://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/judges/judicial-vacancies
http://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/judges/robart-chambers

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U.S. District Judge James Robart in Seattle

Ferguson said the order is causing significant harm to Washington residents, businesses and its education system. It will reduce tax revenue and impose significant costs on state agencies, as well as make it impossible for some state employees and students to travel, he said.

Washington-based businesses Amazon, Expedia and Microsoft support the state's efforts to stop the order. They say it's hurting their operations, too.


INTERESTING! IS THIS AN ACTIVIST JUDGE? Watch this same federal judge declare ‘black lives matter’ from the bench in Seattle

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/watch-federal-judge-declare-black-lives-matter-from-the-bench-in-seattle/

The video of U.S. District Judge James Robart in Seattle making the proclamation has been released. Watch it here.
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The law has been in place for 65 years. Last used by Carter. It wasn't unconstitutional or un-American back then...

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Wouldn’t it be interesting if, at some point during his Presidential campaign Donald Trump asked, Oh, by the way, has anyone in Washington DC ever heard of the McCarran-Walter Act Of 1952?

I did not know of this Act until recently, but it has been a law for almost 65 years.

Here are the historical facts that would seem to indicate that many, if not most, of the people we elect to work for us in Washington DC do NOT have the slightest idea of what laws already exist in OUR country.

After several terrorist incidents had been carried out in the United States, Donald Trump was severely criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities, and even people of certain religions (Muslims). The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being Un-American, dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist. Members of Congress and Senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and our illustrious President called such a prohibition on immigration unconstitutional.

Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 allows for the “Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the President, whenever the President finds that the entry of aliens or any class of foreigners into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States. The President may, by proclamation, and for such a period as he shall deem necessary, may suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose any restrictions on the entry of foreign nationals he may deem to be appropriate.”

And who do you suppose last utilized this process? Why it was Democrat President Jimmy Carter, no less than 37 years ago, in 1979, to keep Iranians out of the United States.

But he actually did more. He made ALL Iranian students, already in the United States, check in with the government. And then he deported a bunch of them. Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, and a total of 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the USA in 1979.

More:
http://www.crowsnestpolitics.com/2017/01/16/trump-law-behind-immigration-decision/
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Time to get that judge off the bench!   For one thing if he's so in bed with the elite in his decisions, what else is he in bed with?  He needs to be investigated, and let know what people think of his trying to be the president of the united states in bucking what he's told to do by the President of the United States.

Last I knew, he wasn't elected to try to run this country.  He has no basis except his personal views to do this.



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Judge in Seattle halts Trump’s immigration order nationwide

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/federal-judge-in-seattle-halts-trumps-immigration-order/

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In an oral ruling, Robart granted Ferguson’s request for temporary restraining order “on a nationwide basis,” prohibiting federal employees from enforcing Trump’s order.
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Ferguson, a Democrat (IS THIS THE DEM ACTIVIST WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE BIG CORPS IN HIS STATE?), filed the lawsuit Jan. 30, three days after Trump signed the executive order, making Washington the first state to challenge the ban.

AG of Washington, Bob Ferguson brought the Complaint
http://www.atg.wa.gov
http://atg.wa.gov/executive-order-lawsuit

The Complaint
http://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Another/News/Press_Releases/Complaint%20as%20Filed.pdf

DEFENDANTS' OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFF STATE OF WASHINGTON'S MOTION FOR TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3443747-Admin-Response-to-Ferguson-TRO.html

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3443747/Admin-Response-to-Ferguson-TRO.pdf
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Judge Robart's Written  Seven page (TRO) Temporary Restraining Order

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/federal-judge-temporarily-halts-trump-travel-ban-nationwide-ag-says/index.html

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/02/03/19717309322.pdf


James Robart bio (pg 617 forward)
https://www.congress.gov/108/chrg/shrg95617/CHRG-108shrg95617.pdf


Senate Confirmation hearing
https://www.congress.gov/nomination/108th-congress/1196

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/trump-calls-him-so-called-judge-but-who-is-james-robart-hint-gop-appointee/

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Interestingly, he has done pro-bono work helping refugees “He has been active in the representation of the disadvantaged through his work with Evergreen Legal Services and the independent representation of Southeast Asian refugees,”  Sen Orrin Hatch said during his confirmation hearing in 2004.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a district judge countermand the entire federal executive branch. I did not know they had the authority to do that. Where was this kind of action over the past 8 years??

There is nothing in the TRO that even addresses the law already in place that authorizes the POTUS to execute such an executive order. I have a feeling that those 3 monopoly businesses have a lot to do with this.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a district judge countermand the entire federal executive branch. I have a feeling that those 3 monopoly businesses have a lot to do with this.




Its looking that way. We need to check out his background ties to those big corps. He sure was acting like a tough guy on CNN last night! I wasnt impressed.

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Federal judge declines to renew restraining order on Trump travel ban

http://fox2now.com/2017/02/03/federal-judge-temporarily-blocks-trumps-travel-ban/

Boston Judge Unblocks Trump Travel Ban, Asks "Where Does It Say Muslim Countries?"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-03/boston-judge-unblocks-trump-travel-ban-asks-where-does-it-say-muslim-countries

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only 12.5% of the world's Muslims live in the seven countries on Trump's immigration ban list...


The ACLU is another player.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/aclu-and-other-groups-challenge-trump-immigration-ban-after-refugees-detained
http://nypost.com/2017/01/30/aclu-gets-record-donations-after-trumps-immigration-ban/
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White House Vows ‘Emergency Stay’ of Judicial Order Thwarting President’s Immigration Order

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/03/white-house-vows-emergency-stay-of-judicial-order-thwarting-presidents-immigration-order/

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The White House issued a statement vowing to file for an emergency stay of a federal judge’s order to block President Donald Trump’s executive order restricting immigration and refugees from high risk countries from the Middle East.

“At the earliest possible time, the Department of Justice intends to file an emergency stay of this order and defend the executive order of the President, which we believe is lawful and appropriate,” read a statement from Sean Spicer to reporters.

The statement explained that Trump’s order was issued under his constitutional authority to protect the American people.

U.S. District Court Judge James Robart took the unusual step of issuing a emergency stay of Trump’s order as the attorneys general of Washington and Minnesota filed a lawsuit to overturn the legislation.


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Federal Judge Blocks Trump Immigration Order Nationwide

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/03/federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-order-nationwide/


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The brief notation posted on the court docket after the verbal order specifies that a written order will be filed later, providing greater detail. In the meantime it is not entirely clear which of the ten counts Judge Robart—who was appointed to the bench by George W. Bush—thinks the executive order violates.

The U.S. Department of Justice can immediately appeal this ruling to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, though it will be difficult to do so before Judge Robart releases his written opinion. If that San Francisco-based appeals court affirms the order, then the federal government can seek an emergency stay from the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Judge's blocking of travel ban sets stage for epic court battle
http://nypost.com/2017/02/04/judges-blocking-of-travel-ban-sets-stage-for-epic-court-battle/

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The decision by Robart set up a legal battle over executive power that could ultimately be fast-tracked to the Supreme Court.
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50-plus lawsuits filed against Trump refugee order

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/317822-50-pus-lawsuits-filed-against-trump-refugee-order


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The lawsuits, filed across U.S. district courts in 14 states, run the gamut.

Others, such as cases filed by the Arab American Civil Rights League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), challenged the order’s impact on Muslims more broadly. The CAIR lawsuit, filed in Virginia, alleges the order amounts to a ban on Muslim immigration, something Trump said during his run for president he would pursue.

Who is CAIR?

Terror-Tied Group CAIR Causing Chaos, Promoting Protests & Lawsuits as Trump Protects Nation
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/28/terror-tied-group-cair-causing-chaos-promoting-protests-lawsuits-as-trump-protects-nation/

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CAIR has been declared a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates and was named by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding operation.

So, why do they have any say in America?

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Maybe it's about the jobs ....

Economic Consequences
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-03/judge-says-he-ll-temporarily-halt-trump-immigration-order

Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said the effects on his state included economic consequences for employers based there, including Microsoft Corp., Starbucks Corp. and Amazon.com Inc. Bellevue, Washington-based Expedia Inc. had about 1,000 customers with flight reservations in or out of the U.S. from the seven countries, he said.

Minnesota, like Washington, cited the effect of the ban on students at its colleges and universities, as well as health care centers including the Mayo Clinic. The state’s 5.4 million residents included 30,000 immigrants from the affected countries, it said in the lawsuit. Minnesota has the largest population of Somalis in the U.S.

The court order, effective immediately, will remain in place until the judge considers a motion -- probably within a month -- to permanently invalidate the president’s order, Ferguson said.

“It is not the loudest voice that prevails on the Constitution,” Ferguson said outside the courthouse. “We are a nation of laws; not even the president can violate the Constitution.”

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Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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Why is Trump’s Temp Travel Ban Authorized? Read sub-section (f) 8 U.S. Code § 1182 (Inadmissible aliens)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182




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Maybe it's about the jobs ....

Ok. Here's the latest scuttlebutt about why this EO caused problems and went to a judge. I have no sources or confirmation. So this is just rumor.

1. The aforementioned companies in Washington state had employees in those countries that were coming here to train on new systems/procedures so they could return overseas to do their jobs. The EO disrupted that process.

2. An infant was coming here for a medical procedure. Because the EO strictly said “no exceptions”, travel was delayed and the infant died.

Again, this is strictly rumor but may provide some insight into why this happened.

Other than that, green card holders, who have already been vetted, were caught in the travel ban for about the first 24 hours until the Whitehouse amended/clarified the order. For those unfamiliar with this, green card holders are lawful permanent residents with permission to enter, live, and work within the US without having citizenship.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a district judge countermand the entire federal executive branch. I did not know they had the authority to do that. Where was this kind of action over the past 8 years??

There is nothing in the TRO that even addresses the law already in place that authorizes the POTUS to execute such an executive order. I have a feeling that those 3 monopoly businesses have a lot to do with this.

There is not much explanation or reasoning in the TRO, but we can glean some information.

According to the Judge's order, the TRO refers to sections 3c; 5a,b,c,e of Trump's EO.

The reference to Section 5 is pretty clear, being that it seeks to stop any preferencial treatment of minority religions (it's the part trumpeted by some as enabling, for example, the prioritized acceptance of Christians from places like Syria). However the reference to Section 3c is not explained, but from what AG Ferguson has said, it is about freedom of movement and a person's right to due process of law. Many of the affected persons already live and work in the US, whether on green card or temporary visas of some kind, but are currently abroad or would have their ability to travel restricted by the EO. The outcome may turn on whether these persons enjoy the same constitutional benefits as citizens, and the precedents are mostly that they do (http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub).

The law mentioned, the McCarran-Walter Act, aka USC 1182(f), is what Trump specifically cited in the EO, and as said this has been used by Carter previously. However the role of the judge in this case, and when it inevitably goes to appeal and maybe even SCOTUS, is to decide whether the actions of the EO violates either the Constitution or other statutes which may take precedence. There is no magical process by which laws are automatical de-conflicted or laws are declared 'unconstitutional', but rather this needs to be established through the courts.

So the EO may have violated the Constitution, or it may have violated statute law, or the law under which it was issued may itself violate other statutes or the Constitution, or even if none of the above applies, the EO might violate individuals' rights under the Constitution. The only place to test this is through the courts.

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The White House issued a statement vowing to file for an emergency stay of a federal judge’s order to block President Donald Trump’s executive order restricting immigration and refugees from high risk countries from the Middle East.
“At the earliest possible time, the Department of Justice intends to file an emergency stay of this order and defend the executive order of the President, which we believe is lawful and appropriate,” read a statement from Sean Spicer to reporters.
The statement explained that Trump’s order was issued under his constitutional authority to protect the American people.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/03/white-house-vows-emergency-stay-of-judicial-order-thwarting-presidents-immigration-order/http://

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There is not much explanation or reasoning in the TRO, but we can glean some information.

According to the Judge's order, the TRO refers to sections 3c; 5a,b,c,e of Trump's EO.

The reference to Section 5 is pretty clear, being that it seeks to stop any preferencial treatment of minority religions (it's the part trumpeted by some as enabling, for example, the prioritized acceptance of Christians from places like Syria). However the reference to Section 3c is not explained, but from what AG Ferguson has said, it is about freedom of movement and a person's right to due process of law. Many of the affected persons already live and work in the US, whether on green card or temporary visas of some kind, but are currently abroad or would have their ability to travel restricted by the EO. The outcome may turn on whether these persons enjoy the same constitutional benefits as citizens, and the precedents are mostly that they do (http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub).

The law mentioned, the McCarran-Walter Act, aka USC 1182(f), is what Trump specifically cited in the EO, and as said this has been used by Carter previously. However the role of the judge in this case, and when it inevitably goes to appeal and maybe even SCOTUS, is to decide whether the actions of the EO violates either the Constitution or other statutes which may take precedence. There is no magical process by which laws are automatical de-conflicted or laws are declared 'unconstitutional', but rather this needs to be established through the courts.

So the EO may have violated the Constitution, or it may have violated statute law, or the law under which it was issued may itself violate other statutes or the Constitution, or even if none of the above applies, the EO might violate individuals' rights under the Constitution. The only place to test this is through the courts.

FWIW, NPR (ugh) commented on section 3c.

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  (c)  To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

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After initial confusion over which countries this order actually refers to (because they are not listed here), the Department of Homeland Security issued a fact sheet that specified Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, Libya and Yemen. These countries were also specified in restrictions to the visa waiver program made by the Obama administration last year. Under the program, people from 38 countries can enter the U.S. with no visa whatsoever. These include most of our EU allies. Some 20 million people entered the U.S. under the visa waiver program in 2014, the Department of Homeland Security reports. Members of Congress had called for a tightening of the program, noting, for instance, that foreign fighters from several European nations have traveled to Syria to fight alongside ISIS and then returned to Europe.

Brian Naylor NPR Washington Desk Correspondent

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As the order took effect, travelers who had previously been issued valid visas were detained at airports around the country, prompting protests and calls for their release. Judge Ann Donnelly in Brooklyn, N.Y., issued a temporary restraining order barring the deportation of as many as 200 people, citing the “irreparable harm” they would face. The mixed signals continue, however, as refugee advocates and resettlement groups say they lack guidance for helping refugees already in the pipeline, as NPR’s Deborah Amos reports.

Dana Farrington NPR Politics Digital Editor

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/31/512439121/trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-annotated

So we have the refugee program and the visa waiver program in play.

Visa waiver seemed straightforward enough until I ran in to this wiki entry.

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Visitors may stay for 90 days in the United States which also includes the time spent in Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, or the islands in the Caribbean if the arrival was through the United States. The ESTA is required if arriving by air or cruise ship. Visa Waiver applies without ESTA for land border crossings, but the VWP does not apply at all (i.e. a visa is required) if a passenger is arriving via air or sea on an unapproved carrier.

As of January 2016, the visa waiver does not apply in cases where a person had previously traveled to Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria or Yemen on or after 1 March 2011 or for those who are dual citizens of Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria.[27] Certain categories such as diplomats, military, journalists, humanitarian workers or legitimate businessmen may have their visa requirement waived by the Secretary of Homeland Security.[28]

So, if you were, say,  a UK citizen, but had previously traveled to Syria, you suddenly needed a visa where none was required before. Or you would need a written waiver from the  Secretary of Homeland Security for entry.

Same goes for dual citizens. If you lived most of your life in France, but were born in Iran, and retained citizenship there, maybe because a lot of family still lives there, then suddenly no VWP for you.

Combine this with the sheer volume of international travelers and I can see how it all got messy overnight.
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This is the first time I've ever seen a district judge countermand the entire federal executive branch. I did not know they had the authority to do that. Where was this kind of action over the past 8 years??

There is nothing in the TRO that even addresses the law already in place that authorizes the POTUS to execute such an executive order. I have a feeling that those 3 monopoly businesses have a lot to do with this.

Exactly!
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Judge in Seattle halts Trump’s immigration order nationwide; White House vows fight (Video of hearing Friday)

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/federal-judge-in-seattle-halts-trumps-immigration-order/

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Exactly!

Seems to me there's a higher, shadowy, world authority than the Federal government. POTUS can do whatever he wants with the people. But the slightest disruption of world commerce seems to immediately trigger something else.

I've seen pictures of the old west. A developmental time in history. A lot of the guys chasing down notorious bank robbers sported the square and compass somewhere on their clothing. It's obvious to me what interests they were protecting.
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Seems to me there's a higher, shadowy, world authority than the Federal government. POTUS can do whatever he wants with the people. But the slightest disruption of world commerce seems to immediately trigger something else.

I've seen pictures of the old west. A developmental time in history. A lot of the guys chasing down notorious bank robbers sported the square and compass somewhere on their clothing. It's obvious to me what interests they were protecting.

I want to know where were these SOB's when all the other presidents were spewing out EO's against the Constitution for all these years?

It is telling me that the Federal Judges do not give a crap about US citizens.  I say impeach the whole lot of them!
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I want to know where were these SOB's when all the other presidents were spewing out EO's against the Constitution for all these years?

The other Presidents were heavily groomed before taking office. Their EOs did not threaten to disrupt hidden control of commerce.

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It is telling me that the Federal Judges do not give a crap about US citizens.

I think it depends on which citizen.

Many years ago, I had my car ransacked at a hotel. Reported it to the local PD and didn't expect much else to happen. Very surprised when a cop showed up in less than an hour with a fingerprint kit to collect evidence. At the time, I had been temporarily sent to an affluent area.

Since then, I've had a retired lawyer tell me that a judge's real role is to prevent riots from happening.
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Turley: Trump Has ‘Upper Hand’ on Immigration Halt Executive Order

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/01/28/turley-trump-upper-hand-immigration-halt-executive-order/


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"Well, it’s very, very difficult to prevail on a stay of that kind,” Turley said. “You have to show a likelihood of prevailing on the merits. The court precedent actually supports President Trump. I don’t like this rule. I don’t support it. I think it’s a real mistake. But whether it is unlawful, whether it’s unconstitutional is a different question. The courts have historically granted presidents a great deal of deference. This country has excluded people in the past on these types of orders. It has often been directed toward, for example, Asians and Chinese individuals. These were terrible periods during our country. But those actions were not found to be unconstitutional.”

“Even President Obama argued to the court just last year that executive power over immigration are decisions that don’t belong in the courts and that he had sweeping authority in this area,” he continued.

“President Trump is building on that precedent, and I think he has an upper hand. I do not think that the courts will treat this as a Muslim ban. They can’t treat it that way because there are many Muslim countries that are not covered. And a court’s not going to read into this even if many people believe that’s the motivation of religious discriminatory purpose.”
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Alan Dershowitz: Acting AG Made a Mistake on Trump Exec Order, It Was ‘Political Decision’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/alan-dershowitz-acting-ag-made-a-mistake-on-trump-exec-order-it-was-political-decision/

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Dershowitz, himself a Democrat who backed Trump’s 2016 election opponent, Hillary Clinton, noted his own opposition to the executive order as a matter of policy, even while rejecting suggestions it violates the Constitution’s ban on religious tests.

"There is also a distinction between what’s constitutional, what’s statutorily prohibited, what’s bad policy. This is very bad policy, but that’s lawful. And I think by lumping all of them together, she has made a political decision, rather than a legal one."

"These are very complicated legal issues and people shouldn't jump into them,” Dershowitz added.

"We have a hobby in this country; if you don't like something, you assume it's unconstitutional. Even my colleague, Elizabeth Warren, pointed to a part of the constitution that says 'No religious test shall ever be required'. But she didn't read the second part of it - 'for holding of office under the United States government'. It has nothing to do with visas."

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Interesting that after scanning the court docs, the complaint is mostly about financial harm to the State universities (their foreign students brought in) and corps (foreign workers). But they use the "unconstitutional" mantra  as a fallback because that grabs the media headlines.

Prove it guys. You will fail. Oh, but you love to disrupt. Thats your game! Shameful!
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Interesting that after scanning the court docs, the complaint is mostly about financial harm to the State universities (their foreign students brought in) and corps (foreign workers).

That sounds about right. They're worried about their overseas cash cow that's keeping the tuition sky-high for American students. Now I know how these indoctrination mills are surviving.
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Is this another attempt at getting the COMMERCE CLAUSE to the Supreme court?

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=6872
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That sounds about right. They're worried about their overseas cash cow that's keeping the tuition sky-high for American students. Now I know how these indoctrination mills are surviving.

Wonder how much federal tax dollars these Washington Universities receive? Time to defund them until they act like real Americans!

Well look here:
http://depts.washington.edu/opbblog/2013/04/uw-ranks-1st-among-public-schools-and-2nd-overall-for-federal-rd-funding/

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UW Ranks 1st among Public Schools and 2nd Overall for Federal R&D Funding

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2. University of Washington, Seattle
> Total federal R&D grant money: $949 million
> Pct. R&D spending from government: 82.9%
> 2012 endowment: $2.11 billion

The University of Washington in Seattle acts as the primary public medical school for Washington, Alaska, Idaho Montana and Wyoming by offering subsidies to students from those other states. This is likely a reason the federal government gives them a lot of money. Although the majority of the money came from HHS, the university was the top recipient of money from the National Science Foundation, receiving more than $145 million in 2011. Researchers at the university said the institution could face $83 million in budget cuts due to the sequester. Among the concerns expressed are that entire labs could shut down and that employees whose money is tied to federal grants could lose their jobs.

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That sounds about right. They're worried about their overseas cash cow that's keeping the tuition sky-high for American students. Now I know how these indoctrination mills are surviving.


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Not that surprising that they used the courts.

If you followed the Gina Miller Article 50 Court Case.

I am on my tablet, so please excuse me if I fail to list all the similarities. Both carry a mandate from the voters that shocked the establishment to its foundations. The response has been to pretend the courts and constitution magically appear. I say by magic because in both cases, when the ruler did exactly the same thing acting for the establishment it was all perfectly legal. The split second a ruler acting aganst the divine establishment attempts an identical action its illegal. The media then mimics paaleo-conservative reverence for a constituion its been their lifework to eviscerate.

The effect is enough to make one vomit.

I suppose the bait is logical.

They place law and constitution as THE OBSTICLE to be assulted.

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What I find interesting is how they keep pushing the DEM vs REP ,,, while its US Nationalism  vs Globalism ...

BUSH I and II were GLOBALISTS ,,, period ,,, like Nixon Carter Bush I /Reagan and Clinton and Obama ... 


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Bush-appointed judge halts Trump travel ban nationwide
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Judge James Robart, who was appointed by former President George Bush in 2003, ruled the executive order would be stopped nationwide, effective immediately.
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Lawyers for the government had argued the states lacked standing to sue, according to the Seattle Times, and that the order was within Trump's executive powers.
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Boston Judge Gorton ruling Friday evening, before Seattle got involved, supported Trump:

http://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2017/02/Gorton-order.pdf

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Pg 4 - On February 1, 2017, White House counsel issued a clarification to the Acting Secretary of State, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security that Sections 3(c) and 3(e) do not apply to lawful permanent residents.

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Judge Nathaniel Gorton, a President George H.W. Bush appointee, issued his ruling just after 5 p.m. Friday — a few hours after a hearing on the matter in federal court.

"Because the plaintiffs have not demonstrated that they are likely to succeed on the merits of any of their claims," Gorton wrote in his 21-page decision, "an extension of the restraining order at the present time is not warranted."
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What I find interesting is how they keep pushing the DEM vs REP ,,, while its US Nationalism  vs Globalism ...

BUSH I and II were GLOBALISTS ,,, period ,,, like Nixon Carter Bush I /Reagan and Clinton and Obama ... 


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317884-washington-state-judge-halts-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide
Bush-appointed judge halts Trump travel ban nationwide
By Brooke Seipel - 02/03/17 07:06 PM EST

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Judge James Robart, who was appointed by former President George Bush in 2003, ruled the executive order would be stopped nationwide, effective immediately.
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Lawyers for the government had argued the states lacked standing to sue, according to the Seattle Times, and that the order was within Trump's executive powers.

Trumps travel restriction EO does nothing more than remove restrictions constraining long established constitutional law as can be clearly shown. The Order puts immigration policing and control back in federal hands as prescribed by the Constitution...

"Judge" Robart's ruling is in direct defiance of the Constitution and the USC... I'm curious how this idiot judge plans to enforce his unconstitutional ruling...

The starting gun for the Globalist take over was fired on November 22, 1963... when the last American President's brains were splattered all over Dealy Plaza that day and the first globalist puppet President, Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on the airplane carrying the last American President's body back to Washington DC. All presidents since have been globalist puppets whether they wanted to be or not...

Donald J. Trump is showing signs of being the glowing, long awaited exception.

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Dershowitz: Trump Shows Respect for Independent Judiciary
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President Donald Trump avoided a constitutional crisis by appealing, rather than defying, an overbroad injunction against his visa executive order issued by a federal judge in Washington State. Justice James Robart’s injunction is nation-wide in effect, despite another federal judge in Massachusetts having rendered a decision refusing to renew a similar injunction, and thus allowing the visa restrictions to be implemented.
In light of these conflicting rulings, the President could have said that he was going to follow the one he and his lawyers believed was correct. Had he done so, the judge in Washington might well have held the President in contempt of court, thus creating a constitutional crisis between co-equal branches of our government.

Whatever one thinks about the merits or demerits of Justice Robart’s injunction – or of the Massachusetts Federal Judge’s refusal to renew the injunction – we are observing in action the American system of checks and balances, and separation of powers

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Donald Trump says Americans should hold judge who blocked travel ban responsible if US is attacked
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/donald-trump-slams-so-called-judge-blocked-ban-vows-overturn/
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Donald Trump says Americans should hold judge who blocked travel ban responsible if US is attacked
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/donald-trump-slams-so-called-judge-blocked-ban-vows-overturn/

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Shameless fearmongering. Just like Dubya's "you are with us, or you are with the terrorists" spiel.

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... I must say, GREAT THREAD ... this has to be the very BEST
discussion of this issue on the Internets. Great points by all posters,
pro and con, though truth is, the EXECUTIVE Branch controls
immigration ... end of story. The arguments AGAINST seem to be
based on the fact that the ORDER is too 'broad brushed' ... however,
law and convention prevents otherwise. ROBARTS is just another
EXTREME LEFT activist Judge with little or no footing here.
At the very MOST, wording in some sections may have to be re-written.
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Let it loose; it will defend itself."