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Offline fanof2012

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Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« on: January 23, 2017, 10:26:23 PM »
Here is a simple question that we should all be asking to make sense of the pros and cons of Trump signing executive orders:
If the US President doesn't have Constitutional authority to sign Executive Orders that apply outside the Executive Branch, then should we shun Infowars for supporting Trump's anti-globalist but anti-Constitutional executive orders?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdU0lvtwkFw
And let me make it very clear that I don't want anyone starting a fight over me saying this on this thread. This is meant to be a serious question!

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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2017, 11:00:00 PM »
Please explain how these executive orders are anti-constitutional.
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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2017, 11:46:33 PM »
Well, I can think of one thing...
We The People don't have any voice at ALL in what gets signed in an Executive Order.

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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 12:03:25 AM »
America's Total Surveillance Society

by Stephen Lendman



February 27, 2011

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In 2003, an ACLU report warned that "Big Brother" no longer is fiction, America having advanced to where total surveillance is now possible. Barry Steinhardt, Director of the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Program said:

"Given the capabilities of today's technology, the only thing protecting us from a full-fledged surveillance society are the legal and political institutions we have inherited as Americans. Unfortunately, the September 11 attacks have led some to embrace the fallacy that weakening the Constitution will strengthen America."

As a result, civil liberties fast eroded. In 2007, another ACLU report warned about America being six minutes to midnight "as a surveillance society draws near...." Powerful new technologies potentially make total monitoring possible under a president, a compliant Congress and courts that believe national security takes precedence over constitutional freedoms.

As a result, "we confront the possibility of a dark future where our every move," transaction, and communication is "recorded, compiled, and stored away" for ready access for whatever authorities may want.

One of several earlier articles on institutionalized spying can be accessed through the following link:
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2008/01/institutionalized-spyi
ng-on-americans.html

It reviewed undiscussed police state tools used without congressional authorization, oversight, or legal standing - state-of-the-art technology, including satellite imagery, to spy on unsuspecting Americans.

In his article titled, "Creating the Domestic Surveillance State," Alfred McCoy explained that Obama embraced the same executive powers as Bush, including NSA surveillance, CIA renditions, drone assassinations, indefinite military detentions, and more - virtual lawlessness across the board. As a result, constitutional Law Professor Jack Balkin believes bipartisan affirmation of unchecked executive powers could "reverberate for generations," subverting constitutional freedoms.

As concerned, McCoy said Americans are largely unaware of the "war on terror" toll on their rights. "Think of our counterinsurgency wars abroad as so many living laboratories for the undermining of a democratic society at home, a process historians (say) has been going on for a long, long time."

In his book titled, "Policing America's Empire: The United States, the Philippines and the Rise of the Surveillance State," McCoy chronicled over a century of US imperialism from the 1899 - 1902 Philippines conquest to the present.

As a result, America developed a coercive policing, intelligence, and surveillance apparatus to ensure absolute imperial domination, using covert infiltration and violence to curb all remnants of resistance.

Repressive tactics now include a state-of-the-art coercive national security/surveillance/counterintelligence apparatus. Established in the Philippines, it was used:

-- during the 1920s Red Scare;

-- for mass WW II incarceration of Japanese Americans;

-- during post-war McCarthy witch-hunts and secret blacklisting of suspected communists; and

-- for many decades against human rights, labor, anti-war and civil liberties activists.

Other techniques include:

-- psychological warfare;

-- targeted or sweeping assassinations;

-- death squads killing thousands from Korea to Southeast Asia, Central America, Iraq, Afghanistan, and dozens of other countries covertly and overtly on the ground and overhead by drones and attack aircraft;

-- FBI subversion from red-baiting to COINTELPRO to later tactics to disrupt, sabotage and neutralize dissent by surveillance, political repression, infiltration, disinformation, assassinations, and denigration of targeted individuals or groups; and

-- sophisticated forms of intelligence, subversion and violence throughout the Cold War and thereafter, especially post-9/11 in the war on terror.

McCoy's book exposed imperial America's dark side, a shadowy public/private world of repressive policing, sophisticated surveillance, active informers, counterintelligence, secret agents, and state terror, undermining human rights, civil liberties, and democratic freedoms at home and abroad. It proved Mark Twain right saying you can't have an overseas empire and democracy at home.

From 1898, America developed an invasive internal security blueprint, more sophisticated than ever today. Today's global war on terror developed a "technological template, (including) omnipresent cameras, deep data-mining, nono-second biometric identification," global drone patrols, killer drones, satellite surveillance, and other forms of sophisticated lawless spying, intelligence, subversion, disruption, and destruction of constitutional freedoms.

McCoy said America's war on terror involves a "massive expansion of (FBI, NSA, Pentagon, and CIA) data-mining systems, (amassing billions of) private documents (on) US citizens" kept in classified data banks.

"Abroad, after years of failing counterinsurgency efforts in the Middle East, the Pentagon began applying biometrics - the science of identification via facial shape, fingerprints, and retinal or iris patterns - to the pacification of Iraqi cities, as well as....electronic intercepts for instant intelligence and split-second" satellite imagery use to aid drone assassinations from Africa to South Asia to perhaps America after a future homeland attack.

Today, the combination of biometric identification, global surveillance, and digital warfare makes counterinsurgency more sophisticated than ever. With everyone in a database, authorities can get instantaneous feedback from iris, retinal, or other data to identify, target, arrest or kill.

In Iraq under General Stanley McChrystal, "every tool available....from signal intercepts to human intelligence (was employed for) lightening quick strikes." The same technology is used in Afghanistan, Pakistan, dozens of other countries, and perhaps soon, if not already, in communities across America.

McCoy explained:

"While those running US combat operations overseas were experimenting with intercepts, satellites, drones, and biometrics, inside Washington....FBI and NSA (operatives) began expanding domestic surveillance through thoroughly conventional data sweeps, legal and extra-legal, and - with White House help - several abortive attempts to revive a tradition that dates back to World War I of citizens spying on suspected subversives."

In 2002, Operation TIPS (Terrorism Information and Prevention System) was launched to have "millions of American truckers, letter carriers, train conductors, ship captains, utility employees and others" snitch on other Americans.

At the same time, the Pentagon developed a Total Information Awareness program with "detailed electronic dossiers" on millions of unsuspecting Americans. Public outrage got Congress to ban it, but the NSA, CIA and FBI continued it, monitoring Americans electronically, including private email and phone communications as well as access to financial, medical and other personal information.

In 2004, the FBI established an Investigative Data Warehouse "centralized (counterterrorism) repository," and in two years amassed 659 million individual records, now perhaps double that amount. It includes social security data, drivers' licenses, financial records, and virtually any information considered important to monitor - potentially making everyone's private life an open book to know about and abuse, including by warrantless wiretaps and other lawless methods.

Since taking office, Obama advanced the Bush agenda, endangering Americans more than ever under surveillance. For example, the FBI's "Terrorist Watchlist" adds 1,600 names daily to hundreds of thousands already included. A new Lackland Air Base cyber-command is charged with targeting enemy computers and repelling hostile cyber-attacks against US networks. Official denials notwithstanding, no one escapes surveillance.

The combined intelligence/Homeland Security/US Northern Command (NORTHCOM)/local authorities apparatus constitutes a formidable force against civil unrest, mass protests, designated terrorists, dissidents, and other perceived homeland threats - their combined might and sophisticated technology charged with containing them. Already, constitutional freedoms have been seriously compromised on their way toward total abolition.

Moreover, "presidential power has grown relentlessly"
after Bush claimed "unitary Executive" authority,
what Chalmers Johnson called a "ball-faced assertion of presidential supremacy
dressed up in legal mumbo jumbo," but it persists under Obama
to rule by Executive Orders and other unilateral directives,
unchecked by congressional approval.


McCoy said it "open(ed) the way to unchecked electronic (satellite, drone, biometric, and other type) surveillance, the endless detention of (uncharged) terror suspects (including US citizens), and a variety of inhumane forms of interrogation" after Bush made torture official US policy. It continues seamlessly, though quietly, under Obama more than ever hardening America's police state apparatus.

Big Brother now watches everyone, including with growing numbers of digital cameras monitoring streets, commercial areas, airports, highways, public and private transportation, government and office buildings, and shopping malls - virtually everywhere people congregate, work, reside, recreate, or inhabit for any reason. Anti-terrorist SWAT teams are ready to react against any suspected provocation or threat.

As a result, American democracy fundamentally changed. Always more illusion than reality, total surveillance reveals a harshness too ugly to hide, especially when sophisticated technologies target anyone for any reason, what McCoy calls "the stuff of dystopian science fiction."

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.
 
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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2017, 02:48:45 AM »
Well, I can think of one thing...
We The People don't have any voice at ALL in what gets signed in an Executive Order.

Oh, but we do have a voice... these orders don't become Law or color of law if congress votes the order down with a 2/3 veto proof majority. In our Republic the people have the right and duty to push their representatives to vote against any Executive Order they believe to be a constitutional overreach...

What President Trump is doing is overriding what Obama and others initiated with Executive Order, Presidential Decision Directives, Executive Memorandums or federal regulations... President Trump has that power of the pen to undue what his predecessors initiated with the pen...

DJT is being very transparent if you have noticed, in letting us all in on what he's doing. He wants us to know... I find that most refreshing.

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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 05:16:51 AM »
Its possible to go back and check what people said when Obama signed executive orders.


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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2017, 08:36:04 AM »

 these orders don't become Law or color of law if congress votes the order down with a 2/3 veto proof majority.


Thanks JT... I didn't know that.
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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 08:37:36 AM »
Its possible to go back and check what people said when Obama signed executive orders.

Good suggestion - and I'm thinking they said NADA.
People fell into comas after the election.
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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2017, 08:56:37 AM »
Trump is draining the swamp, cleaning up behind O and his many Exe Orders he had no authority to invoke in the first place, along with stupid ones that should never have been invoked. (Example: making it easy for people who don't qualify to get a mortgage, while looking the opposite way to their inability to handle a mortgage, thus setting them up for failure. Pure stupidity! One of many acts by O and the stupid Democrats going back to Clinton.)

I see that as smart and what a REAL AMERICAN PRESIDENT would do!

Thanks, President Trump for what you will do to bring the PEOPLES HOUSE back to the people, and the government back to the people! The establishment/globalists have had their decades of deceitfulness & lies, and now its time for them to be sidelined, and some brought to justice in a real court of law, for their crimes against the American people.

Those establishment hacks who still sit in Congress, and elsewhere are going to have to make a decision, do they continue their deceptiveness and get thrown out (some prosecuted), or will they become real American men/women and do their job. I doubt that a hack could ever be rehabilitated because they are cowards who follow, so the best thing for them is to be thrown out in every election upcoming until these troublemaker cowards are removed from DC.

When you know something is wrong, you don't let it stand. That is what Trump is doing. Destroying the destruction Obama (and crew, and some before him) brought to the White House and American government. Only a real man would have the spine to do such. Finally that man is in the White House, and is hiring other real men to help him reverse the decades of filth that has inhabited the US government.

I think it's time to respect this real man and get on board with helping him, since the media is determined to undermine him at every turn because they are part of the same cowardly crew who is helping destroy the country.


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Re: Pros and Cons of Trump Signing Executive Orders
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2017, 06:31:21 AM »
Good suggestion - and I'm thinking they said NADA.
People fell into comas after the election.

99.9% of Democrats said NADA

How many of "our side" squealed like pigs pretty much every time Obama signed a decree - eh ?


Use Google or Startpage, chuck in something like : obama unconstitutional executive orders - and look for the pre-Trump era results.

Even if they did not / could not claim that the actual executive order itself, was illegal, they attacked the contents as illegal. While some people might want to split hairs, and play word games - the point is that its utter hypocrisy on BOTH sides.

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