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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2017, 12:00:59 PM »
http://tattoosday.blogspot.com/2008/06/kurt-vonnegut-remembered-so-it-goes.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five
Slaughterhouse-Five, or The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death (1969) is a satirical novel by Kurt Vonnegut about World War II experiences and journeys through time of Billy Pilgrim,
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Soon, Billy is hospitalized with a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder and placed under psychiatric care. A man named Eliot Rosewater introduces Billy to the novels of an obscure science fiction author named Kilgore Trout. After his release, Billy marries Valencia Merble. Valencia's father owns the Ilium School of Optometry that Billy later attends. In 1947, Billy and Valencia's first child, Robert, is born. Two years later their daughter Barbara is born. On Barbara's wedding night, Billy is captured by an alien space ship and taken to a planet light-years away from Earth called Tralfamadore. The Tralfamadorians are described as seeing in four dimensions, simultaneously observing all points in the space-time continuum. They universally adopt a fatalistic worldview: Death means nothing but "so it goes".

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"SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE" - THE ROLLING STONES - "OUT OF TIME"
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So It Goes. (Kurt Vonnegut 1922 - 2007)


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Kurt Vonnegut - So it goes [documentario BBC Arena, 1983] (SUB ITA)

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Kilgore Trout @ Odom Fest 2014: Arockalypse Now! 'So It Goes'

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2017, 12:31:54 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-idUSKBN14V18L
Politics | Thu Jan 12, 2017 | 6:09am EST

Trump accuses U.S. spy agencies of Nazi practices over 'phony' Russia dossier
By Ayesha Rascoe | NEW YORK

President-elect Donald Trump escalated a fight with U.S. spy agencies on Wednesday, just nine days before he takes over their command as president, and accused them of practices reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

The Republican said leaks from the intelligence community led to some U.S. media outlets reporting unsubstantiated claims that he was caught in a compromising position in Russia.

"I think it was disgraceful, disgraceful that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out. I think it's a disgrace, and I say that ... that's something that Nazi Germany would have done and did do," Trump told a news conference in New York.

Trump acknowledged for the first time that Russia likely hacked the Democratic National Committee and the emails of top Democrats during the 2016 presidential election. "I think it was Russia,” he said, pointing out that other countries were also hacking the United States.

Trump’s comments about spy agencies such as the CIA are likely to intensify tensions between the intelligence community and the president-elect, who initially disparaged its conclusion that a Russian hacking campaign was aimed at boosting his candidacy against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, called a dossier that makes salacious claims about him in Russia "fake news" and "phony stuff."
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2017, 02:20:18 PM »
https://youtu.be/9Hn9xAaKUbw?t=34
Back To School: Sam Kinison & The Epic Vietnam Tirade W/ Rodney Dangerfield


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Sam Kinison rants about Captain Kangaroo.
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2017, 02:38:49 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z00b2bm_0JA
H. P. Lovecraft - The White Ship (1967)

The white ship has sailed and left me here again
Out in the mist, I was so near again
Sailing on the sea of dreams
How far away it seems
Sailing upon the white ship

Home through the night here in my darkened room
Sails of white across the misty moon
Floating across the sky
Burning into my eye
Sailing upon the white ship


Out of my mind nothing flows
Alone on the shore, but that's how it goes
Everyone knows
How the wind blows
The white ship

Out of my mind nothing flows
Alone on the shore, but that's how it goes
Everyone knows
How the wind blows

The white ship

The white ship has sailed and left me here again
Out in the mist, I was so near again
Sailing on the sea of dreams
How far away it seems
Sailing upon the white ship
Sailing upon the white ship
Sailing upon the white ship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ship
The White Ship  (Latin: Candida nauis, French: la Blanche-Nef) was a vessel that sank in the English Channel near the Normandy coast off Barfleur, on 25 November 1120.

Only one of those aboard survived.[1]

Those who drowned included William Adelin, the only legitimate son and heir of King Henry I of England, his half-sister Matilda, and his half-brother Richard.

William [Ætheling]  Adelin's death led to a succession crisis and a period of civil war in England known as the Anarchy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86theling
Ætheling (also spelt Aetheling, Atheling or Etheling) was an Old English term (æþeling) used in Anglo-Saxon England to designate princes of the royal dynasty who were eligible for the kingship.

The term is an Old English and Old Saxon compound of aethele, æþele or (a)ethel, meaning "noble family", and -ing, which means "belonging to",[1] It derives from the Germanic word Edeling or Edling and is etymologically related to the modern German words Adel, "nobility", and adelig or adlig, "noble".[2] It was usually rendered in Latin as clito.
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Ætheling was also used in a poetic sense to mean 'a good and noble man'. Old English verse often used ætheling to describe Christ, as well as various prophets and saints. The hero of the 8th century Beowulf is introduced as an ætheling, possibly in the sense of a relative of the King of the Geats, though some translators render ætheling as 'retainer'. Since many early Scandinavian kings were chosen by competition or election, rather than primogeniture, the term may have been reserved for a person qualified to compete for the kingship.
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2017, 04:37:52 PM »

You're going to say I should have known better when I saw Kissengers top tactician and the republicans old cuckoid bagman show up on Alex's doorstep.


That's a mega ton bombshell right there.  Is it possible to give us more details on this?  WOW!!!


First if we are going to drain the swamp and expose all the swamp monsters shouldn't we define what a swamp monster is?

A swamp monster is an Apolitical, Amoral individual, who always thinks their means are justified in the ends.

Then we have to break that down further again, there are two types of swamp monsters, those that created the swamp and those that use the swamp for their own ends and means.

What we are seeing be played out is Dr Frankenstein trying to kill the monster he created, while not trying to destroy the very means by which it was created.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_042402_pieczenik.html

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I understood very clearly, a long time ago, thirty years ago that the very essence of relationships between countries and understanding what our national security is about has to lie in the psychological political arena. Its not, necessarily that I am interested in what mother did or your father did, but I am much more interested in what kind of image perception propaganda has been created against us and what propaganda information we have to create against someone else. Steve Pieczenik

Then he tells you about office of strategic influence, strategic laws and manipulation, and how it was being used.

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AJ: We are talking about bin Laden(fake video of) for those that just joined us.

SP: Youve got it. I mean the whole thing was a, I mean it was such a hoax. I mean I said you would have to be, you know, blind and stupid to not realize that this is really being manipulating in trying to manipulate us.

AJ: The type of psyops that wed see coming out of Dr. Steve Pieczenik.

SP: Its not the kind of thing that I would do to the American public.

No, Steve would never try to manipulate the American public with fake binLaden news...

Mine...
How to run a Twitter revolution...Control the narrative. Hole up Assange and then kill the person closest to him, Gavin Macfadyen, who would have probably told Assange to release everything, and you send in a blonde with big boobs, and give her a message to have Assange slowly drip info out and he'll get a cut deal. Where's the Trump dirt? You mean to tell me not one email, not one electronic file made it to WiKiLeaks on TheDonald? Pretty squeaky.


And Roger Stone. Well I don't know what to say...except, well for one I don't care what you do in your own bedroom, but when you're rubbing elbows with the rich and powerful and you're up to such high-jinx, you're only one step away from taking pictures of rich and powerful people with your wife...well one can only infer...
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/the-dirty-trickster

Now theres litmus tests, that will rectify the minds of the doubters, of Trump.

Federal Reserve, dismantling of the surveillance state, and crack the corporations that grew up around the bank.

All three of these are, of course, not fiscally achievable.

Let's just see if this just isn't another, the Nazis shook hands with the Communists op to take down America, while the long con of the Fabian socialists wait for the synthesis.
This country did not achieve greatness with the mindset of "safety first" but rather "live free or die".

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2017, 04:39:09 PM »
Your elite-esque arrogance proceeds you, -Q-... tsk-tsk... see your exact quote emblazoned and emboldened above...
(Dig & I wrote the rules here, btw)

Had you watched the twin camera view of the exchange between CNN reporter Jim Acosta and Donald Trump, you might change your mind as to who was acting like the petulant spoiled child...

JTCoyoté


You're constantly getting things wrong, being unpleasant about it, and you never thank people for setting you straight. Instead you just come back with more... total... nonsense... It's like dealing with an adolescent.

Do you know what an affectation is? You should look it up. I do not tailor what I say to your or Peerless's preferences (or that of your affected personas). I don't care what you want to hear. If you think that is 'elite-esque arrogance' then that would explain a lot - it's probably why you two like Trump so much - he does care about your rhetorical preferences and he uses his reality tv acting skills to tell you want you want to hear, and how you want to hear it. And yes, he does tailor his output to appeal to the 'common man', or rather he did during the campaign when he wanted your vote, but now he tells you to shut up and know your place, for example when you talk about prosecuting Hillary (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4018632/). How many 'common men' are in Trump's cabinet? How many does he play golf with (not counting the caddies), how many could afford his hotels and resorts? How many would understand why he needs a golden shower and bathroom? The common men are the peeons to Trump, as Trump is the peeon to his masters (and mistresses by some accounts). Trump is part of the existing power structure and he knows his place within it; he thinks he knows yours too, and you seem determined to prove him right.

I expect a thank-you this time bud.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2017, 05:13:11 PM »

I was very happy, elated and excited to see Trump handle the press and Jim Acosta.  It was a good job done with the hard-nosed leadership he is capable of.

Why shouldn't he handle the fake news in this manner?  The sooner they simply go away, the better.  They are not credible as they are caught in a conspiracy of lies extending over many years.  They are not credible to report good, or bad about anything, including Trump.

Compare it to the inept management of the crowd that Obama couldn't get to settle down.  What a wimp!  Every single time he has spoken, that I have watched, he speaks like some little kid on the block with thug mannerisms.

At any rate, the media & news, needs to be taken out of the hands of the propagandists and the law making propaganda ok -- repealed.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2017, 05:41:45 PM »
quote -Q-:
"How many 'common men' are in Trump's cabinet?"

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... I looked up the backgrounds for a few of the nominees:

Defense: James N Mattis
"Mattis was born on September 8, 1950, in Pullman, Washington. His mother's name is Lucille (Proulx) Mattis. His father worked as a merchant mariner and his mother had worked in Army Intelligence in South Africa during the Second World War. He was raised in Richland, Washington, and graduated from Columbia High School in 1968. Mattis earned a BA degree in history from Central Washington University in 1971.

He initially enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in 1969. He later earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in history from Central Washington University and was commissioned a second lieutenant through the Reserve Officers' Training Corps on January 1, 1972."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mattis

Homeland security: John F Kelly
"Kelly was born on May 11, 1950 in Boston, Massachusetts, where he was also raised, in an Irish-Catholic family. Before he turned 16, he had hitch-hiked across the country at least once, including a freight-hop from Seattle to Chicago. He then served for one year as a United States Merchant Marine.

Kelly initially enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps in 1970, and was discharged from active duty as a sergeant in 1972, after serving in an infantry company with the 2nd Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. Following graduation from the University of Massachusetts Boston in 1976, he was commissioned on December 27, 1975 ... He received a Master of Science degree in National Security Studies from the Georgetown School of Foreign Service in 1984."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kelly_(Marine)

CIA director: Mike Pompeo

"Pompeo was born in Orange, California, the son of Dorothy (née Mercer) and Wayne Pompeo. He attended the U.S. Military Academy where he majored in Mechanical Engineering, graduating first in his class in 1986 and subsequently serving in the Regular Army as an Armor Branch cavalry officer from 1986 to 1991. He received his J.D. from Harvard Law School, where he was an editor of the Harvard Law Review. He then worked as a lawyer for Williams & Connolly.

As a teenager, he enrolled at the United States Military Academy at West Point. He graduated first in his class from West Point in 1986. According to his official biography, he then served as a cavalry officer patrolling the Iron Curtain before the fall of the Berlin Wall.  He also served with the 2nd Squadron, 7th Cavalry in the Fourth Infantry Division. He served his last tour in the Gulf War."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo

Attorney general: Jeff Sessions
"Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III was born in Selma, Alabama, on December 24, 1946, the son of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, Jr., and the former Abbie Powe.[2] His father owned a general store in Hybart, Alabama, and then a farm equipment dealership. Both of Sessions' parents were of primarily English ancestry, with some Scots-Irish. In 1964, Sessions became an Eagle Scout, and later, he earned the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award for his many years of service.

After attending Wilcox County High School in nearby Camden, Sessions studied at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, graduating with a B.A. degree in 1969. He was active in the Young Republicans and was student body president. Sessions attended the University of Alabama School of Law and graduated with a J.D. degree in 1973... Sessions is a Sunday school teacher at the Ashland Place United Methodist Church in Mobile, where he and his wife are members."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sessions

Energy: Rick Perry
"A fifth-generation Texan, Perry was born on March 4, 1950, in Haskell, Haskell County, Texas, and raised in Paint Creek, Haskell County in West Texas, the son of cotton farmers Joseph Ray Perry and Amelia June Holt Perry, and he has an older sister, Amelia Shaye "Milla" Perry Jones (born July 27, 1948). Perry's ancestry is almost entirely English, dating as far back as the original Thirteen Colonies. His family has been in Texas since before the Texas Revolution.

His father, a Democrat, was a long-time Haskell County commissioner and school board member. Perry has said that his interest in politics probably began in November 1961, when his father took him to the funeral of U.S. Representative Sam Rayburn.

Perry was in the Boy Scouts (BSA) and earned the rank of Eagle Scout. The BSA has honored Perry with the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award. Perry graduated from Paint Creek High School in 1968."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry

Housing and urban development: Ben Carson
"Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan, the son of Sonya (Johnnie) (née Copeland) and Robert Solomon Carson, Jr. (December 27, 1914 – August 29, 1992), a World War II U.S. Army veteran, then a Baptist minister, and later a Cadillac automobile plant laborer. Both parents came from large families in rural Georgia and were living in rural Tennessee when they met and married. Carson's mother was 13 and his father was 28 when they married, and after his father finished his military service, they moved from Chattanooga, Tennessee to Detroit, where they lived in a large house in the Indian Village neighborhood...

In 1959, when Carson was eight, his parents separated and he moved with mother and brother to live for two years with his mother’s Seventh-day Adventist older sister and her sister’s husband in multi-family dwellings in the Dorchester and Roxbury neighborhoods of Boston. In Boston, Carson’s mother attempted suicide, had several psychiatric hospitalizations for depression, and for the first time began working outside the home as a domestic worker ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson

Small business administration: Linda McMahon
"McMahon was born Linda Marie Edwards in New Bern, North Carolina, the daughter of Evelyn and Henry Edwards. She was an only child and grew up as a "tomboy", playing basketball and baseball.  Her parents were both employees at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, a military base. She grew up in a conservative Baptist family, and was raised a Baptist, though she converted to Catholicism in her later years.

Linda M. Edwards, at the age of 13, met Vincent K. McMahon, then age 16.  Her mother worked in the same building as McMahon's mother, although they had not met.
Vince's mother became good friends with the Edwards family, and Vince, who had lived with several abusive stepfathers, enjoyed the feeling of stability that he felt at the home. Edwards and McMahon dated throughout their high school years. She attended New Bern High School  and Vince attended nearby Fishburne Military School."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_McMahon
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2017, 06:19:21 PM »
Q:

Common Man politics begins with voting your choice of of a representative into office.  This takes place in your State.  If one doesn't like the choices, they can run, themselves without much cost via Jesse Ventura style.

America -- above all other countries ever -- is based onWe The People having "their" representatives act for them.  Most all the laws that could be passed, had already been passed.   Hence, when referring to something impossible, an adage to describe this was "It would take an Act of Congress."  Laws were not rammed through in our country, in the past.  But, just like before the Russian communism takeover in their Parliament, laws were rammed through by the communists.

One  telltale sign that a communist takeover is happening is laws being rammed through.  Pelosi infamously said -- you get to read what's in the bill *after* you pass it.   Our Congress is ~not~ ceremonial.   Sorry, these types of communist takeover operations don't hold water in our country.  I don't care for the NDAA stating it is ok to torture Americans, for instance.

Hundreds of countries have gone through communist takeover.  The results have never been good, to say the least.  The People couldn't wait to get rid of it.

It's a movement.  The federal government along with State governments have grown too large.   Trump was voted in because Americans don't want to run death camps.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2017, 08:14:25 PM »
No, that was a graffiti tantrum. But I suppose a little charity work won't hurt me..

So Peerless, do you agree that CNN's story was accurate and newsworthy? If not give your reasons.

firstly, let's clear the air on a certain subject: I note you italicize my nick...this nick was created almost 15 years ago and its meaning is related to p2p (peer to peer) network filesharing clients. having no peers on such a network means you can't even get connected.

I joined this forum sometime after I had gained SuperModerator status at that filesharing forum and as such used this nick for various reasons, one of them simple identity and as such an indication I had nothing to hide.  I at one point tried to initiate a subforum there dealing with issues this forum covers...no go, too much *edited* there.

now, to deal with your query: NO, I do not find that actions of CNN to be legitimate...it's fake news...and the subject itself is so highly inflammatory that not even taking the time to vet it is criminal...but hey, that's the Criminal News Network in action, isn't it?

you seem to really like using progressive liberal terms like 'adolescent', 'childish', etc...

huh...well you know Acosta was acting just like a spoiled little brat: he refused to take no for an answer, just like a child who has been spared the rod.  AFAIC this whole situation played perfectly into DT's hands: it gave him an opportunity to illustrate just how "the media is going to pay".

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2017, 09:28:00 PM »
" ... he believes the dossier was “written by an American,
not a Brit. Brits simply talk and write differently.”


EXCLUSIVE: Intel Vets Say Trump
‘Dossier’ Is A ‘Complete Fraud’


Veteran intelligence officials familiar with Russian disinformation campaigns conclude the Trump “dossier” released by BuzzFeed earlier this week is fraudulent and its author violated basic standards for intelligence reporting, the Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned.

The dossier purports to provide secret information about President-elect Donald Trump’s links to Russian officials and business interests, as well as his sexual proclivities. The 35-page document reportedly was written by Christopher Steele, a former British MI-6 official who co-owns the London-based Orbis Business Intelligence, Ltd. opposition research firm.

FusionGPS, a similar firm in Washington, D.C., reportedly retained Orbis to write the document. Fusion GPS was founded by former Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn Simpson. Steele reportedly has gone into hiding since BuzzFeed published the dossier.

But multiple intelligence community sources interviewed by
TheDCNF said the dossier is almost certainly a clumsily created fake.


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“The devil is in the content and the content is just garbage.  I don’t believe a word of it,” said Fred Rustmann, a 24-year veteran of the CIA’s clandestine ranks and the agency’s Senior Intelligence Service.
The dossier doesn’t describe the access and reliability of its sources, a key element that “any reasonable agent would spell that out.  I don’t see that here. I think it’s a fabrication. If this guy is who he is reported to be, this is just too sloppy for even a low-level type of officer,” Rustmann said.

√ CONTINUE: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/13/exclusive-intel-vets-say-trump-dossier-is-a-complete-fraud/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2017, 10:29:22 PM »
firstly, let's clear the air on a certain subject: I note you italicize my nick...this nick was created almost 15 years ago and its meaning is related to p2p (peer to peer) network filesharing clients. having no peers on such a network means you can't even get connected.

Interesting to know the derivtion of your username. I usually italicize for emphasis, to simulate the effect of the word being spoken.

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now, to deal with your query: NO, I do not find that actions of CNN to be legitimate...it's fake news...and the subject itself is so highly inflammatory that not even taking the time to vet it is criminal...but hey, that's the Criminal News Network in action, isn't it?

As I set out in my earlier post, CNN's story concerned the report that Trump and Obama were briefed on the 'dossier' as part of their intelligence briefing, and is almost certain to be factually accurate, has now been confirmed by other sources, and has not been denied by anyone. So if the story is correct then it cannot reasonably be described as fake news. The contents of the actual dossier is another matter, which might be fake and might not be, we don't know, but the fact that it was part of the intel briiefing given to Obama and Trump is legitimate news and something I would want to be informed about.

However I suspect that this whole business is a soft ball to Trump, in order to make him look good when the dossier is 'demonstrated' to be fraudulent.

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you seem to really like using progressive liberal terms like 'adolescent', 'childish', etc...

Really..I wasn't aware that these terms were 'progressive liberal', do you have a reference for that? I would suggest that the words I use be taken at face definition and not by association with some arbitrary group or other.

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huh...well you know Acosta was acting just like a spoiled little brat: he refused to take no for an answer, just like a child who has been spared the rod.  AFAIC this whole situation played perfectly into DT's hands: it gave him an opportunity to illustrate just how "the media is going to pay".

Is 'spoiled brat' progressive liberal terminology as well? Anyway, the whole scene was ridiculous. Trump had wrongly stated that CNN's story was untrue, and he was probably told not to take the question becasue he would have been asked to confirm or deny that he was briefed on the dossier.

As I said earleir, this whole buisness is probably set up to fail in order to strengthen Trump. However it only played into Trump's hands at this stage to the extent that people believe his spin and do not check into what the story actually entailed. Trump trades on his ability to convince through the power of his will and demagoguery, and people's active reluctance to scrutinize what he says; he did so during the campaign and continues it now.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2017, 01:47:13 PM »
The "Fake News" CNN parody's are rolling off the Twitter presses in profusion... some of them are quite good... I pulled this one from the mix last night...



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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2017, 02:18:17 PM »
You're constantly getting things wrong, being unpleasant about it, and you never thank people for setting you straight. Instead you just come back with more... total... nonsense... It's like dealing with an adolescent.

Do you know what an affectation is? You should look it up. I do not tailor what I say to your or Peerless's preferences (or that of your affected personas). I don't care what you want to hear. If you think that is 'elite-esque arrogance' then that would explain a lot - it's probably why you two like Trump so much - he does care about your rhetorical preferences and he uses his reality tv acting skills to tell you want you want to hear, and how you want to hear it. And yes, he does tailor his output to appeal to the 'common man', or rather he did during the campaign when he wanted your vote, but now he tells you to shut up and know your place, for example when you talk about prosecuting Hillary (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4018632/). How many 'common men' are in Trump's cabinet? How many does he play golf with (not counting the caddies), how many could afford his hotels and resorts? How many would understand why he needs a golden shower and bathroom? The common men are the peeons to Trump, as Trump is the peeon to his masters (and mistresses by some accounts). Trump is part of the existing power structure and he knows his place within it; he thinks he knows yours too, and you seem determined to prove him right.

I expect a thank-you this time bud.

Ad hominem attacks are against the rules. -Q-... even cleverly veiled attacks. As a counter you pontificate at the expense of those who challenge your assumptions and assertions which you state as fact, with reasoned argument that you fail to counter or refute. Instead you bloviate off topic gibberish as above proving without doubt that my reasoned take on the situation has your cerebral spin machine rattled... "Bud"...

Trump represents and gives voice to the average American, the common man... who can distinguish a spoiled brat a mile away albeit a CNN "reporter" spoiled brat.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2017, 02:39:12 PM »
Ad hominem attacks are against the rules. -Q-... even cleverly veiled attacks. As a counter you pontificate at the expense of those who challenge your assumptions and assertions which you state as fact, with reasoned argument that you fail to counter or refute. Instead you bloviate off topic gibberish as above proving without doubt that my reasoned take on the situation has your cerebral spin machine rattled... "Bud"...

Trump represents and gives voice to the average American, the common man... who can distinguish a spoiled brat a mile away albeit a CNN "reporter" spoiled brat.

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Ad-hom attacks like 'elite-esque arrogance' you mean?

All of my arguments have been carefully reasoned and explained. If you are able to, please point out any arguments (relevant to the points I have made) which I have not countered or refuted, or agreed with, and I will point out where I have done so, or I will do so if applicable.

On a wider note, I am bored by your petty nonsense and distractions, and I'm sure I am not the only one, so you should stop it bud.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2017, 06:37:38 PM »
... talk about fake news! Have you been reading about this
BS move to declare Trump is 'receiving gifts' from foreign
governments because his company owns hotels, etc, in
foreign lands ... and impeach him straight away? From
FAKE NEWS, The New Yorker:


WILL TRUMP AVOID A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS?
By Ryan Lizza   

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On Wednesday, Donald Trump is scheduled to hold a press conference in New York outlining his plan to deal with the myriad conflicts of interests raised by his stake in the Trump Organization, an international real-estate empire that accepts emoluments (cash) from foreign states in so many ways that his continued involvement with the company as President would make Franklin’s diamond snuffbox seem quaint.

A recent paper published by the Brookings Institution notes that President Trump would be violating the Constitution “whenever a foreign diplomat stays in a Trump hotel or hosts a reception in one; whenever foreign-owned banks offer loans to Mr. Trump’s businesses or pay rent for office space in his buildings; whenever projects are jump-started or expedited or licensed or otherwise advantaged because Mr. Trump is associated with them; whenever foreign prosecutors and regulators treat a Trump entity favorably; and whenever the Trump Organization makes a profit on a business transaction with any foreign state or foreign-owned entity.”

√ GOTTA READ THIS! http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-trump-avoid-a-constitutional-crisis?mbid=social_facebook_aud_dev_kw_jansub-will-trump-avoid-a-constitutional-crisis&kwp_0=311429&kwp_4=1196057&kwp_1=540522
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2017, 07:11:05 PM »
That article was published before Trump's news conference, on January 10, 2017.
In his news conference, he made it clear he was turning everything over to his sons.
That giant pile of documents on the table... his lawyers present...

I would expect THAT to be sufficient to avoid a constitutional crisis. Good grief.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2017, 09:38:40 PM »
^^^

... you would think! But apparently it doesn't matter
what he does, it will never be enough for the sharks.
This article from LAT is from 1/12:


Trump may violate the Constitution on Day One
Erwin Chemerinsky

President-elect Donald Trump either does not appreciate, or does not care, that his extensive business holdings pose serious legal problems. At his news conference on Wednesday morning, Trump and a lawyer said that he would donate hotel profits from foreign governments to the United States Treasury and let his children manage all operations. Although the plan is vague on crucial details, it clearly isn’t strong enough to keep him on the right side of the Constitution.

Article I, Section 9 states: “And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.”

The so-called emoluments clause was meant to restrict the ability of foreign governments to influence American officeholders, a matter of great concern to a fledgling nation. It was also designed to prevent conflicts of interests. As Edmunds Jennings Randolph said in 1787, “This restriction is provided to prevent corruption.”

"In a word, Trump’s proposed
solutions are laughable."


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The only solution is for Trump to divest himself of his businesses, and especially all foreign holdings, or at least to place them in a blind trust. Otherwise, Trump risks violating the Constitution from his first moments in office.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-chemerinsky-trump-emoluments-20170111-story.html
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2017, 05:20:31 AM »
^^^

... you would think! But apparently it doesn't matter
what he does, it will never be enough for the sharks.
This article from LAT is from 1/12:


Trump may violate the Constitution on Day One
Erwin Chemerinsky

President-elect Donald Trump either does not appreciate, or does not care, that his extensive business holdings pose serious legal problems. At his news conference on Wednesday morning, Trump and a lawyer said that he would donate hotel profits from foreign governments to the United States Treasury and let his children manage all operations. Although the plan is vague on crucial details, it clearly isn’t strong enough to keep him on the right side of the Constitution.

Article I, Section 9 states: “And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.”

The so-called emoluments clause was meant to restrict the ability of foreign governments to influence American officeholders, a matter of great concern to a fledgling nation. It was also designed to prevent conflicts of interests. As Edmunds Jennings Randolph said in 1787, “This restriction is provided to prevent corruption.”

"In a word, Trump’s proposed
solutions are laughable."


http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-chemerinsky-trump-emoluments-20170111-story.html

This Erwin Chemerinsky guy is a complete journalistic joke... inventing meanings for words and phrases, creating supposed crimes and consequences that are pure invention on his part. I love the way he parses the Article 1 Section 9, "Emolument Clause." Snipping designed no doubt to lead the reader away from it's true meaning by leaving out it's first sentence which sets the general meaning of the Clause.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8

"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States:
And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under
them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept
of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind
whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

   
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that anyone accepting office in the government of the United States must divest themselves of all wealth or business holdings... only that any emolument that may arise through foreign governments or officials thereof, cannot be accepted without the Consent of the Congress.

Trump would be completely within the law if each time a foreign official stayed in one of his hotels, played golf on one of his courses, or dined in one of his restaurants, he would lay the payment before Congress for permission to accept, or reject the "gift." if rejected by Congress he would then turn the payment over to the US Treasury. This process requires a vote to be called each time there is an "emolument."

Instead, President Trump has arranged that all payments "emoluments" made outside the country and certain ones here at home, by government officials will automatically be paid to the US Treasury. Thus, the President has freed Congress to carry on with business as usual in it's daily legislative and regulatory harassment of the American people.

Trump is not becoming a monk... a vow of poverty is not required to become an office holder in the US government. Erwin Chemerinsky didn't mention that President Trump will be applying to wave his salary which will also be returned to the US Treasury...

It's fricking mercenary morons who write pure tripe bait and bilge spew like this guy, that give real Journalists a bad name, makes me want to call him out into the street for some air clearing straight talk, man to man....

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2017, 09:34:18 AM »
^^^

... THANK YOU JT!

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... NYT didn't say anything about Democrat presidents JFK
and CLINTON appointing their brother and wife to govt posts ... jeez!


" ... Congress, which passed the measure in 1967
partly in response to President John F. Kennedy’s
appointment of his brother Robert to be attorney general ..."


Family-Owned New York Times Rips Trump for Nepotism
New York Times is a 'family enterprise,' owned by the
Ochs-Sulzberger family for more than 120 years

David Rutz

A New York Times editorial blasts President-elect Donald Trump for nepotism after selecting his son-in-law for a key White House position, in spite of the family-owned newspaper’s record of keeping the company in the hands of relatives.

The editorial ripped Trump for ignoring his “ethical and legal obligations” after selecting Jared Kushner, the husband of his eldest daughter Ivanka, to be a senior adviser:

Lawyers for Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner have argued that the appointment is legal because the law applies only to executive branch agencies, and the White House is not an agency. The law, under this reasoning, would bar Mr. Trump from appointing Mr. Kushner to a job in, say, the State Department, not to a senior advisory position in the White House.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/family-owned-new-york-times-rips-trump-nepotism/
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2017, 12:40:22 PM »
... realignments:

Bob Woodward: ‘Trump’s Right’ — Intel Community Has Treated Him Like ‘Garbage’

Bob Woodward backed Donald Trump in his ongoing feud against the U.S. intelligence
community during a panel discussion on “Fox News Sunday.”

"That is a garbage document.”

√ w/VIDEO: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/15/bob-woodward-trumps-right-intel-community-has-treated-him-like-garbage-video/#ixzz4VqwubnP6
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2017, 04:04:24 PM »
This Erwin Chemerinsky guy is a complete journalistic joke... inventing meanings for words and phrases, creating supposed crimes and consequences that are pure invention on his part.

'This Erwin Chemerinsky guy' is Distinguished Professor of Law and Dean of the Law Faculty at UC Irvine, with a speciality in Constitutional Law (http://www.law.uci.edu/faculty/full-time/chemerinsky/). So for you to dismiss him as a 'joke', is .. unwise to say the very least. Also where has he 'invented meanings for words and phrases' and created 'supposed crimes and consequences that are pure invention on his part'?

He's actually a pretty decent journalist, although it's obviously not his primary occupation. He wrote in defence of the 1st Amendment on campus (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/offensive-740311-basic-speech.html) and a good piece in support of reforming the Electoral College (http://www.law.uci.edu/news/in-the-news/2016/ocregister-chemerinsky-reforming-electoral-college-091516.pdf). Sure he's probably a leftish liberal of sorts, but he sets out his cases well.

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I love the way he parses the Article 1 Section 9, "Emolument Clause." Snipping designed no doubt to lead the reader away from it's true meaning by leaving out it's first sentence which sets the general meaning of the Clause.

You take a very jaded and cynical view of people's intent. But on the facts, how do you suppose that the opening statement 'sets the general meaning'? Leaving out the 'titles of nobility' statement does not affect any commentary on the emoluments part, especially as precedents show that even small gifts are to be subject to the clause.

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Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that anyone accepting office in the government of the United States must divest themselves of all wealth or business holdings... only that any emolument that may arise through foreign governments or officials thereof, cannot be accepted without the Consent of the Congress.

No-one is saying he should do that (bib). The Constitution did not contemplate a sprawling global business like Trumps's, in which he not only has many foreign holdings but he also has debts to foreign entities, both state run and not. Divestment of particularly the foreign holdings, or placing in blind trust, is sensible because it removes the taint of suspected conflicts of interest which would otherwise potentially dog his presidency.

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Instead, President Trump has arranged that all payments "emoluments" made outside the country and certain ones here at home, by government officials will automatically be paid to the US Treasury. Thus, the President has freed Congress to carry on with business as usual in it's daily legislative and regulatory harassment of the American people.

Not really. As Cherminsky and many other experts argue, congress gets to decide whether the gift is accepted and only then what to do with it. So they might say 'yes accept it but sell it and give the proceeds to the treasury' or they may allow it to be kept. Either way this scheme of Trump's is presuming on the consent of congress to the first element, the acceptance of the gift. It's a technical point but again, it would solve all these problems if he was simply not the beneficiary by divesting from holdings which may be affected.

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Trump is not becoming a monk... a vow of poverty is not required to become an office holder in the US government. Erwin Chemerinsky didn't mention that President Trump will be applying to wave his salary which will also be returned to the US Treasury...

That is not relevant to the points he was making. It's not about virtue, it's about not falling foul of the Constitution.

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It's fricking mercenary morons who write pure tripe bait and bilge spew like this guy, that give real Journalists a bad name, makes me want to call him out into the street for some air clearing straight talk, man to man....

If the encounter was as laden with baseless invective as your comments here then I suspect he would have better things to do.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2017, 05:21:28 PM »
^^^

... THANK YOU JT!

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... NYT didn't say anything about Democrat presidents JFK
and CLINTON appointing their brother and wife to govt posts ... jeez!


" ... Congress, which passed the measure in 1967
partly in response to President John F. Kennedy’s
appointment of his brother Robert to be attorney general ..."


Family-Owned New York Times Rips Trump for Nepotism
New York Times is a 'family enterprise,' owned by the
Ochs-Sulzberger family for more than 120 years

David Rutz

A New York Times editorial blasts President-elect Donald Trump for nepotism after selecting his son-in-law for a key White House position, in spite of the family-owned newspaper’s record of keeping the company in the hands of relatives.

The editorial ripped Trump for ignoring his “ethical and legal obligations” after selecting Jared Kushner, the husband of his eldest daughter Ivanka, to be a senior adviser:

Lawyers for Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner have argued that the appointment is legal because the law applies only to executive branch agencies, and the White House is not an agency. The law, under this reasoning, would bar Mr. Trump from appointing Mr. Kushner to a job in, say, the State Department, not to a senior advisory position in the White House.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/family-owned-new-york-times-rips-trump-nepotism/

I'm just calling a 'spade a spade,' Jack... This article is written by a statist dissembler of constitutional law much like Barry and Bill... all of whom studied and excelled in the field, not for their reinforcement and constructionist understanding of the Constitution, but for their concentration on the exploitation of it's gray areas... Chemerinsky is a dissembling mercenary for the establishment globalists... in my 45+year studied opinion.

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what meaning may be squeezed out of the text,
or invented against it, conform to the probable
one in which it was passed.''
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2017, 05:34:28 PM »
^^^

... yes, these MSM hit pieces are just designed to create in
damaged libtard mind the notion that DJT is in this for the money! LOL!  ;D
This was an undercurrent throughout the election and now it is
all they got left ... just baseless noise about him selling out
the country to Russia and Israel (whatever) to enrich himself ...
GIVE ME A BREAK!
... actually I can't figure how they would ever hope to get
an impeachment bill passed in a Republican-controlled House anyway ...
so it's just for the noise/harassment factor.
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2017, 05:42:27 PM »
Maybe Chemerinsky can look in to this?

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Has the Clinton Foundation underwritten or profited from linked terror groups per the intelligence warehoused in FinCEN’s vast Treasury database? It is distinctly possible the Clinton Foundation has conducted business — knowingly or not — with terror-backed financial concerns or groups, federal agents said, especially because these are the exact suspicious transactions the U.S. Treasury mandates compliance and security officials in U.S. financial institutions to report to FinCEN under threat of hefty fines and imprisonment.

Triggered by such anti-money laundering controls, federal investigators, for example, said they have examined a Clinton-affiliated offshore entity that essentially is a multi-million dollar private for-profit equity firm operated like an unsanctioned U.S. hedge fund outside the regulatory reach of the Securities and Exchange Commission. That for-profit business however, is controlled by New York-based Clinton Foundation, a not-for-profit registered charity. Also, while the profits of the offshore company are taxable in its foreign domicile, the parent company — the Clinton Foundation — is exempt from the same annual taxes in the United States.

Likewise, because the affiliate of the Clinton Foundation operates as a private offshore company, no one — including regulators in the United States — is privy to its clients, its investments or whether it perhaps served as a front company to secretly commission pay-for-play political schemes and favors during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state.

The challenge for the investigators? The Clinton Foundation and family have dozens of such affiliates and companies, a intricate corporate tapestry confusing to outsiders and intentionally complex by design.That’s why FBI agents in more than five separate field offices are working this case, federal sources said.

http://truepundit.com/fbi-nypd-clinton-foundation-probed-for-global-money-laundering-financial-transactions-with-islamic-terror-groups/
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2017, 06:20:43 PM »
I'm just calling a 'spade a spade,' Jack... This article is written by a statist dissembler of constitutional law much like Barry and Bill... all of whom studied and excelled in the field, not for their reinforcement and constructionist understanding of the Constitution, but for their concentration on the exploitation of it's gray areas... Chemerinsky is a dissembling mercenary for the establishment globalists... in my 45+year studied opinion.

So you've now looked up who he is, and decided to indulge in some more baseless invective. How is he a dissembler of constitutional law? Do you know what that word means? Show us some evidence that you've even read any of his material.

You conflate Chemerinsky with Clinton and Obama and claim he concentrates on 'the exploitation of the constitution's grey areas'. Where is your evidence?

You like to slander with no evidence, but I'll bet you wouldn't like it done to you bud.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2017, 07:01:31 PM »
So you've now looked up who he is, and decided to indulge in some more baseless invective. How is he a dissembler of constitutional law? Do you know what that word means? Show us some evidence that you've even read any of his material.

You conflate Chemerinsky with Clinton and Obama and claim he concentrates on 'the exploitation of the constitution's grey areas'. Where is your evidence?

You like to slander with no evidence, but I'll bet you wouldn't like it done to you bud.

I Know who he is... his words and his article born assumptions and assertions are just more of his "living constitution" dissembling, these facts regards his article here, even if I didn't know who he is, would be sufficient evidence to condemn who and what he is. And my opinion in this or any other case is always based on my honest assessment of the facts.

...and now to 'the rat killin' '...  Are you threatening me from me behind that red veil there -Q- ?

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2017, 07:24:30 PM »
Maybe Chemerinsky can look in to this?

http://truepundit.com/fbi-nypd-clinton-foundation-probed-for-global-money-laundering-financial-transactions-with-islamic-terror-groups/

He would wave that off like a Cardinal of the Church would wave off a soiled and shrunken child pauper begging for a penny, on the streets of Rome in the year thirteen hundred...

The globalists through the Clinton and other foundations fund this guy... looking at the facts you quoted would be too much like biting the demonic hand that feeds him...

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2017, 07:34:06 PM »
I Know who he is... his words and his article born assumptions and assertions are just more of his "living constitution" dissembling, these facts regards his article here, even if I didn't know who he is, would be sufficient evidence to condemn who and what he is. And my opinion in this or any other case is always based on my honest assessment of the facts.

You didn't know who he was, had only read one article, but still felt that you could attack and besmirch his character. Which assumptions and assertions are 'living constitution dissembling'? Where has he 'invented meanings for words and phrases' and created 'supposed crimes and consequences that are pure invention on his part'?  You'll have to do better than waffle I'm afraid. Where does he concentrate on 'the exploitation of the constitution's grey areas'? Please give your references.

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...and now to 'the rat killin' '...  Are you threatening me from me behind that red veil there -Q- ?

Hilarious! Your absurd melodrama knows no bounds. No threat, and of course it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain cell what I meant by that. It's the Golden Rule bud, something you should think about before going out a'slanderin'.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2017, 07:38:53 PM »
He would wave that off like a Cardinal of the Church would wave off a soiled and shrunken child pauper begging for a penny, on the streets of Rome in the year thirteen hundred...

The globalists through the Clinton and other foundations fund this guy... looking at the facts you quoted would be too much like biting the demonic hand that feeds him...

Evidence for his funding from the Clinton foundation? You have no evidence for anything, just abuse, baseless accusations and pontification on subjects you know absolutely nothing about.


Maybe Chemerinsky can look in to this?

http://truepundit.com/fbi-nypd-clinton-foundation-probed-for-global-money-laundering-financial-transactions-with-islamic-terror-groups/

I guess not, because he is a legal scholar not an investigator. This is a criminal investigation, either they find evidence to indict or they don't.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2017, 08:21:21 PM »
I guess not, because he is a legal scholar not an investigator. This is a criminal investigation, either they find evidence to indict or they don't.

Actually legal scholars, as well as others such as History and Anthropology should be running parallel investigations in to the Clinton Foundation as well as other conflicts and areas of interest for the US. It might keep us out of wars and hot spots.

But its not profitable for the Alphabet boys corporate masters to have too much light shown on their operations, it would be hard to control both sides of the paradigm.
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2017, 10:18:11 PM »
You didn't know who he was, had only read one article, but still felt that you could attack and besmirch his character. Which assumptions and assertions are 'living constitution dissembling'? Where has he 'invented meanings for words and phrases' and created 'supposed crimes and consequences that are pure invention on his part'?  You'll have to do better than waffle I'm afraid. Where does he concentrate on 'the exploitation of the constitution's grey areas'? Please give your references.

Hilarious! Your absurd melodrama knows no bounds. No threat, and of course it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain cell what I meant by that. It's the Golden Rule bud, something you should think about before going out a'slanderin'.

Evidence for his funding from the Clinton foundation? You have no evidence for anything, just abuse, baseless accusations and pontification on subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

I guess not, because he is a legal scholar not an investigator. This is a criminal investigation, either they find evidence to indict or they don't.

You sidestep everything here using accusatory remarks regarding things you cannot know or don't know, fishing about with red herrings trailing to draw out new fallacies to attack... your mentor or associate, E.C. would be proud how well you use his professed stock in trade ...

Well good luck with all that.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2017, 08:24:20 PM »
You sidestep everything here using accusatory remarks regarding things you cannot know or don't know, fishing about with red herrings trailing to draw out new fallacies to attack... your mentor or associate, E.C. would be proud how well you use his professed stock in trade ...


Ridiculous inversion of reality.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2017, 08:41:27 PM »
Ridiculous inversion of reality.

Well, good luck with that as well...

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2017, 09:19:04 PM »
Well, good luck with that as well...

JTCoyoté

Thanks bud, and if you ever get tired of this position you find yourself in again and again, you could try making substantive and supportable points, and/or substantiating your assertions when asked to do so. It's actually not that hard.

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #75 on: January 26, 2017, 03:27:16 PM »
Seymour Hersh Blasts Media for Uncritically Promoting Russian Hacking Story

Jeremy Scahill
January 26 2017, 1:29 a.m.

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh said in an interview that he does not believe the U.S. intelligence community proved its case that President Vladimir Putin directed a hacking campaign aimed at securing the election of Donald Trump. He blasted news organizations for lazily broadcasting the assertions of U.S. intelligence officials as established facts.

Hersh denounced news organizations as “crazy town” for their uncritical promotion of the pronouncements of the director of national intelligence and the CIA, given their track records of lying and misleading the public.

“The way they behaved on the Russia stuff was outrageous,” Hersh said when I sat down with him at his home in Washington, D.C., two days after Trump was inaugurated. “They were just so willing to believe stuff. And when the heads of intelligence give them that summary of the allegations, instead of attacking the CIA for doing that, which is what I would have done,” they reported it as fact. Hersh said most news organizations missed an important component of the story: “the extent to which the White House was going and permitting the agency to go public with the assessment.”

More - https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/seymour-hersh-blasts-media-for-uncritically-promoting-russian-hacking-story/


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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2017, 09:24:05 PM »
“We were shocked to see our good name wrongly
included and published in this unsubstantiated report."


BuzzFeed sued over its publication of
uncorroborated Trump dossier

KEVIN G. HALL, DAVID GOLDSTEIN AND GREG GORDON

WASHINGTON -
A Russian-tied tech firm named in a controversial dossier containing uncorroborated allegations about President Donald Trump and the hacking of Democratic National Committee email accounts announced late Friday that it has filed defamation suits against the online news site BuzzFeed, its editor in chief and a former British intelligence agent.

The lawsuits were brought by XBT Holdings, a Cyprus-based company owned by Russian tech magnate Aleksej Gubarev. Lawyers for his firm filed complaints Friday in London against the former spy and his company, and against BuzzFeed and its editor in chief, Ben Smith, in Broward County Circuit Court in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where XBT’s subsidiary Webzilla is headquartered.

“The dossier included libelous, unverified and untrue allegations regarding XBT, Webzilla and Gubarev. The lawsuits seek yet undetermined compensation for the damages suffered by XBT, Webzilla and Gubarev as the result of the publication of the dossier,” a statement said.

... The British lawsuit against Steele and Orbis Business Intelligence Limited charges that they “deliberately and without consent” claimed that the plaintiffs had hacked into the emails of the Democratic Party, “and had used such unlawful access to transmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and alter files and programs.”

√ Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article130659399.html#storylink=cpy

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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2017, 05:32:43 PM »
Trump: CNN cut off Sanders for using term 'fake news' to describe network (I saw this happen and thought it was intentional. Thats CNN, folks! The most untrustworthy fake news network!)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319117-trump-sanders-was-cut-off-by-cnn-for-using-term-fake-news-to-describe
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2017, 10:02:13 PM »
Trump: CNN cut off Sanders for using term 'fake news' to describe network (I saw this happen and thought it was intentional. Thats CNN, folks! The most untrustworthy fake news network!)
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319117-trump-sanders-was-cut-off-by-cnn-for-using-term-fake-news-to-describe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3bbsDJWlXQ
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Re: * Trump to CNN "YOU ARE THE FAKE NEWS" Stop it. No one trusts you!
« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2017, 09:31:00 AM »
Cnn continues its fake news in collusion with despicable Demicrats like this guy who continue the "Russia" lies (Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) the latest pile on non leader liar.)
https://www.conservativereview.com/members/seth-moulton/biography/

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/02/14/dem-rep-2/


THE GLOBALISTS AND pathetic Dems, aided by the extremely pathetic media,  have a full on assault against Trump. THE MANTRA IS ALWAYS RUSSIA THIS, RUSSIA THAT. Note how they use this mantra all over the complicit media, and are attacking all of Trumps top staff n an attempt to destabilize his Presidency. HOWEVER, TRUMP IS SMARTER THAN THEM AND TOUGH, SO IT WILL NOT STOP HIM! THESE ANTI AMERICAN PUNKS WILL FAIL, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO JAIL FOR TREASON! THEY ARE OUT IN THE OPEN FOR ALL THINKING AMERICANS TO SEE. THEIR GAMES WILL NOT WORK THIS TIME!

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