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What do you expect from 2017 ?
« on: January 02, 2017, 08:58:14 AM »
Before health and love I expect victory against Zalgiris in basketball Euroleague on Orthodox Christmas Eve
and meeting Trump with Putin of course.  :)
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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 03:49:24 AM »
I honestly do not know what to expect.

But I'm happy and hopeful :)

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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 04:38:43 AM »
I expect dis-info will be flooding the news outlets.

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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 07:58:41 AM »
Counter Attack

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The NWO took a beating last year, it lost some battles it expected to win.

The next move will be a counter offensive, or counter strike . . . call it what you will. But its standard operating procedure to launch a counter strike. How quickly it can be organised, and how effective it will be is difficult to predict.

Its all to easy to make a mistake at this point, by allowing our own bias to cloud our judgement. For example a patriotic brit might cite Nigel Farage and Brexit as the most significant event, or a patriotic american might cite The Donald. Of course they would both be only partly right.

The reason they would be both wrong, would be because they are doing what humans do, they all seem to need some sort of King. I use that word because its the truth, the President is nothing more than an elected King. The other key word was Elected... Which is the bit people don't get. "We The People" are the sovereigns.

Anyway, before getting side tracked, it was not Trump, it was not Hilary, it was not a single person that delivered 2016. It was the voters.

The voters have been traditionally controlled, by the Mushroom Treatment. That is, kept in the dark and fed on bull shite.

What really happened in 2016, began around 1998 when The Drudge Report an internet outfit operating out of one mans spare bedroom took down the most powerful man in the world. 18 yrs latter, via the same method old leaders are thrown out and the worlds largest proxy super power, The EU, is in crisis.

The world has changed, slowly.
But in 2016 it reached a critical mass.

Its got nothing to do with left versus right. After all, Jeremy Corbyn got elected by the very same method and he is left wing. He also thinks Global Warming is a hoax, and his brother is expert on the topic and a regular guest on the Alex Jones Show. But Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson did a great Gate Keeper job and deleted this from the narrative because he is a socialist. Corbyn has also been criticised for believing conspiracy theories like 911 being an inside job. Editor at large Watson decided amercians should not be told because he was and is an old skool socialist. Pathetic.

Anyway, who really lost was the Army Group Media of the New World Order. They lost, Wikileaks won. Other winners would be "The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", which supports the over throw of Assad. Its one man operating from his bedroom in a modest house in the midlands. Just about every news story on Syria in 2016 quoted "The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights".

You see the alternative media is not exclusively owned by one ideology.

This is why the press are screaming "Fake News", and campaigning again today to stop The Donald from Tweeting. The NWO are only loosing because they are using last centuries tactics, because they worked so well in the past. The problem is that when they switch tactics and go on the offensive. The new generation of New World Order oligarchs do use Twitter, have Facebook, and have no memory of a pre-internet era. The new generation of New World Order minions are going to replace the older generation. They will not make the same mistakes, they will embrace the new media and the new tactics.

The only question is how the current leadership of the New World Order decide to Counter Attack.

The historic pattern is that such "old generals" cling to the old ways, and will repeat tactics that used to work really well, but are so last century. One of the most successful was 911, but organising such an attack takes a heck of a lot of planning. Will they simply accelerate a plan that is already in motion.... I recall Hitler did his massive surprise attack, Watch on the Rhine, or as we call it the battle of the bulge, because the German Army charging through the Ardenes / Belgium worked for Germany before world war 1, during world war 1, and conquered europe in 1940 so he simply did "bitter clinger" to the tactic in 1944/45 . . . . Expect a spectacular False Flag in 2017, Assassination and anything else that does not work because we have the internet.

IF you want my best guess, the meme to watch is "Hack Attack". They may well stage a cyber attack as a False Flag, look how they are laughably running the story - but imagine if they brought down large sections of the electric grid and blamed it on Russia . . . . because that what the media have pre-programmed the public. They did a similar thing in the run up to 911, which is why several people compete for the title of predicting 911... The media told us in advance.




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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2017, 08:22:09 AM »
Counter Attack

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The NWO took a beating last year, it lost some battles it expected to win.

The next move will be a counter offensive, or counter strike . . . call it what you will. But its standard operating procedure to launch a counter strike. How quickly it can be organised, and how effective it will be is difficult to predict.

Its all to easy to make a mistake at this point, by allowing our own bias to cloud our judgement. For example a patriotic brit might cite Nigel Farage and Brexit as the most significant event, or a patriotic american might cite The Donald. Of course they would both be only partly right.

The reason they would be both wrong, would be because they are doing what humans do, they all seem to need some sort of King. I use that word because its the truth, the President is nothing more than an elected King. The other key word was Elected... Which is the bit people don't get. "We The People" are the sovereigns.

Anyway, before getting side tracked, it was not Trump, it was not Hilary, it was not a single person that delivered 2016. It was the voters.

The voters have been traditionally controlled, by the Mushroom Treatment. That is, kept in the dark and fed on bull shite.

What really happened in 2016, began around 1998 when The Drudge Report an internet outfit operating out of one mans spare bedroom took down the most powerful man in the world. 18 yrs latter, via the same method old leaders are thrown out and the worlds largest proxy super power, The EU, is in crisis.

The world has changed, slowly.
But in 2016 it reached a critical mass.

Its got nothing to do with left versus right. After all, Jeremy Corbyn got elected by the very same method and he is left wing. He also thinks Global Warming is a hoax, and his brother is expert on the topic and a regular guest on the Alex Jones Show. But Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson did a great Gate Keeper job and deleted this from the narrative because he is a socialist. Corbyn has also been criticised for believing conspiracy theories like 911 being an inside job. Editor at large Watson decided amercians should not be told because he was and is an old skool socialist. Pathetic.

Anyway, who really lost was the Army Group Media of the New World Order. They lost, Wikileaks won. Other winners would be "The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", which supports the over throw of Assad. Its one man operating from his bedroom in a modest house in the midlands. Just about every news story on Syria in 2016 quoted "The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights".

You see the alternative media is not exclusively owned by one ideology.

This is why the press are screaming "Fake News", and campaigning again today to stop The Donald from Tweeting. The NWO are only loosing because they are using last centuries tactics, because they worked so well in the past. The problem is that when they switch tactics and go on the offensive. The new generation of New World Order oligarchs do use Twitter, have Facebook, and have no memory of a pre-internet era. The new generation of New World Order minions are going to replace the older generation. They will not make the same mistakes, they will embrace the new media and the new tactics.

The only question is how the current leadership of the New World Order decide to Counter Attack.

The historic pattern is that such "old generals" cling to the old ways, and will repeat tactics that used to work really well, but are so last century. One of the most successful was 911, but organising such an attack takes a heck of a lot of planning. Will they simply accelerate a plan that is already in motion.... I recall Hitler did his massive surprise attack, Watch on the Rhine, or as we call it the battle of the bulge, because the German Army charging through the Ardenes / Belgium worked for Germany before world war 1, during world war 1, and conquered europe in 1940 so he simply did "bitter clinger" to the tactic in 1944/45 . . . . Expect a spectacular False Flag in 2017, Assassination and anything else that does not work because we have the internet.

IF you want my best guess, the meme to watch is "Hack Attack". They may well stage a cyber attack as a False Flag, look how they are laughably running the story - but imagine if they brought down large sections of the electric grid and blamed it on Russia . . . . because that what the media have pre-programmed the public. They did a similar thing in the run up to 911, which is why several people compete for the title of predicting 911... The media told us in advance.

You are right but you are not write who could lead "Counter Attack of NWO".
NATO, EU ? I do not think so. Saudi Arabia and his puppet sheiks on Peninsula: continuing support of ISIS in Syria, Iraq and in Jordan. Also helping Taliban to recapture the Afghanistan.

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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 09:05:10 AM »
As an infowarrior we should make sure to be a watchmen as well.

I say we need to pay attention more to the UN.  When they start calling for peace, take notice.  Sounds great, I know, but don't be deceived.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV)
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These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

New UN chief Guterres pledges to make 2017 'a year for peace'

 1 January 2017 – On his first day at the helm of the United Nations, Secretary-General António Guterres today pledged to make 2017 a year for peace.

“On this New Year's Day, I ask all of you to join me in making one shared New Year's resolution: Let us resolve to put peace first,” said Mr. Guterres in an appeal for peace.

He said one question weighs heavy on his heart. “That is: how can we help the millions of people caught up in conflict, suffering massively in wars with no end in sight?”

“Peace must be our goal and our guide,” he said, urging all citizens, governments and leaders to strive to overcome differences.

“I appeal to you all to join me in committing to peace, today and every day. Let us make 2017 a year for peace,” he added.

Having been formally appointed by the UN General Assembly on 13 October 2016, Mr. Guterres, aged 67, will serve for a five-year period from today to 31 December 2021. He was Prime Minister of Portugal from 1995 to 2002, and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees from June 2005 to December 2015.
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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 11:59:05 AM »
Counter Attack

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Not so. You make very good points; thought provoking.

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The next move will be a counter offensive, or counter strike . . . call it what you will. But its standard operating procedure to launch a counter strike. How quickly it can be organised, and how effective it will be is difficult to predict.

Its all to easy to make a mistake at this point, by allowing our own bias to cloud our judgement. For example a patriotic brit might cite Nigel Farage and Brexit as the most significant event, or a patriotic american might cite The Donald. Of course they would both be only partly right.

The reason they would be both wrong, would be because they are doing what humans do, they all seem to need some sort of King. I use that word because its the truth, the President is nothing more than an elected King. The other key word was Elected... Which is the bit people don't get. "We The People" are the sovereigns.


I agree about humans needing "some sort of King" - it's true, and until we can manage to make enough people aware of their need to protect their rights, we'll be depending on a 'king' to do it for us. We'll be disappointed. I remember when Obama signed the "indefinite detention" order, allowing the US government to put ANYONE in jail without a trial, for as long as they want. This was from the Nobel-prize-winning-left-liberal-socially-responsible-president - the president that all the liberals were so happy about (Hope, Change) - signing an order that takes away fundamental rights to a fair trial. And no loud outcries were heard from the left; everyone made excuses ..."well, he had no choice really..." etc.

Now a new king, and we'll see what he does. He's promising jobs... we'll see how that works out. As long as we following a 'leader' however, we put ourselves into someone else's hands; at someone else's mercy, and we'll (this time from the right) make excuses when it doesn't work out. Even abused children will defend their parents; this feels like similar psychology.

Martin Luther King spoke about the need for people to come together in unity in order to defeat the pharaoh --
"We've got to stay together and maintain unity. You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the slaves fighting amongst themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh's court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery. Now let us maintain unity." ~ Martin Luther King


Right now you can barely find any civil discourse in the MSM, in 'comments' about articles posted in magazines, newspapers, blogs, in either left or right or "independent" media... people are AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS! And this is such wonderful news for Pharaoh, isn't it? Keep the slaves fighting; and they've done a masterful job pitting us against each other.

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Its got nothing to do with left versus right. After all, Jeremy Corbyn got elected by the very same method and he is left wing. He also thinks Global Warming is a hoax, and his brother is expert on the topic and a regular guest on the Alex Jones Show. But Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson did a great Gate Keeper job and deleted this from the narrative because he is a socialist. Corbyn has also been criticised for believing conspiracy theories like 911 being an inside job. Editor at large Watson decided amercians should not be told because he was and is an old skool socialist. Pathetic.


I agree - not left, not right. If people really did the research, they would find that the NWO agenda has moved forward through both left and right administrations - even though the rhetoric is "different" - the decisions, the legislation, the agenda remains the same. Which is why the Nobel-winning president brought us into more wars than ANY of his predecessors. And FYI, (you won't hear this in the 'right' media), he also deported more illegals than any of his predecessors. Go figure. We don't hear what we doesn't fit into the script.

There is not a single person in the media (AJ included) who is 100% correct about everything; 100% awake to the NWO, and also willing to listen to alternative viewpoints. That is pathetic, and is the engine that keeps us fighting amongst ourselves. It keeps us separate and adversarial.

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The only question is how the current leadership of the New World Order decide to Counter Attack...

IF you want my best guess, the meme to watch is "Hack Attack". They may well stage a cyber attack as a False Flag, look how they are laughably running the story - but imagine if they brought down large sections of the electric grid and blamed it on Russia . . . . because that what the media have pre-programmed the public. They did a similar thing in the run up to 911, which is why several people compete for the title of predicting 911... The media told us in advance.


They've been pushing this narrative for years, and perhaps this will be the big false flag. And don't forget the SCADA systems, and the Stuxnet software, attacks on critical infrastructure ... the tools to execute are in place:

SCADA - STUXNET - See a pattern here?

March 24, 2011 1:36 PM PDT
U.S. warns of more SCADA software holes
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20046912-245.html#ixzz1Ha2QQcG1

Flaws in SCADA software, used to monitor and control sensors and operations at utilities and other critical infrastructure facilities, seem to keep coming out of the woodwork:

• Last week, the U.S. ICS-CERT (Industrial Control System Computer Emergency Response Team) issued several advisories about vulnerabilities exposed in SCADA (supervisory control and data acquisition) software. One was in an ActiveXcontrol in WellinTech KingView V6.53 human machine interface (HMI) software used in power, water, and aerospace industries, mostly in China. The researcher publicly released exploit code for the hole and the vendor released an update that resolves the problem. The second vulnerability was reported in Progea's Movicon 11 HMI product, used primarily in Italy. It too has been patched.

• Also last week, a Russian firm released exploits targeting 11 unpatched, or zero-day, holes in SCADA software, which The Register was first to report.

• Three days ago, an Italian researcher publicly released information on dozens of unpatched holes in four different products and released exploits for targeting them. The move prompted an ICS-CERT warning.

• On Tuesday, Spanish researcher Ruben Santamarta told the BugTraq e-mail list that he had found flaws in BroadWin WebAccess, a Web browser-based HMI product from Advantech that ICS-CERT says is used in energy and other industries in North America, Asia, North Africa and the Middle East. Santamarta released details of the vulnerability and exploit code and ICS-CERT issued an alert.

• And yesterday, ICS-CERT released yet another advisory, this one warning about a SQL (Structured Query Language) vulnerability in the Ecava IntegraX or HMI product that could allow data leakage or manipulation as well as remote code execution on the backend host running the database service. Ecava has developed a patch for the hole.
Security problems with software used to monitor and control systems in the electric grid, refineries, gas pipelines, and other critical operations are moving to the forefront as the industries adopt Web-based technologies and connect previously isolated networks to the Internet.

"What is the acceptable tolerable level for security with industrial control systems? We don't know," Mike Ahmadi, co-founder of consultancy GraniteKey told CNET. "Systems have been isolated from the outside world...It's a very significant change we're going through right now."

While the SCADA bug reports appear to be accelerating, it's unclear if any of the vulnerabilities have been used in attacks on working plants or systems.


However, last year the threat became reality with Stuxnet, sophisticated and multipronged attack targeting specific Siemens software used in industrial control operations that experts said appeared to be directed at nuclear facilities in Iran.



Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20046912-245.html#ixzz1Ha2c6CNO
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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 08:57:37 PM »
 i expect more bullshit on a different day.  I  am worn out with global events such as war an diseases and scum bag politicians ,  i trust Trump a tiny bit, a teeny tiny bit to do something honest and right for the country. 

im glad some people can be optimistic and have a bright outlook to their life for a new year, but honestly my depression beats me down time and again, and i seriously doubt ill ever have a job again, and its like what ever. fk it.

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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 05:48:19 AM »
Webster Tarpley :
Thrown off the show for his "socialist" dream of rebuilding America.

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 09:30:07 AM »
Webster Tarpley :
Thrown off the show for his "socialist" dream of rebuilding America.



to bad no one knows what the show is, and now everyone who doesn't know who Webster Tarpley is has to google him to find out.

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 09:41:09 AM »
Webster Tarpley :
Thrown off the show for his "socialist" dream of rebuilding America.

Webster G. Tarpley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/webster-tarpley-melania-trump-blogger-lawsuit-photos-website-conspiracy-theories-journalist-twitter-youtube/
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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 11:05:44 AM »
Webster G. Tarpley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/webster-tarpley-melania-trump-blogger-lawsuit-photos-website-conspiracy-theories-journalist-twitter-youtube/

I do not know what happened with him but you forgot that Tarpley predicted Obama as candidate of Establishment and Wall Street. See in film "Obama Deception". 

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 12:18:32 PM »
Webster Tarpley :
Thrown off the show for his "socialist" dream of rebuilding America.

Thrown off what show?

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 12:20:44 PM »
I do not know what happened with him but you forgot that Tarpley predicted Obama as candidate of Establishment and Wall Street. See in film "Obama Deception".

And then I thought Tarpley endorsed Obama on his second term...
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 12:21:28 PM »
I do not know what happened with him but you forgot that Tarpley predicted Obama as candidate of Establishment and Wall Street. See in film "Obama Deception".

Tarpley has been very consistent in his political commentary, unlike others I could mention, so in that regard nothing has 'happened' with him.

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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2017, 01:40:00 PM »
Trump wants to rebuild America - Tick
Tarpley wants to rebuild America - and he is a "socialist"

Its utter bollox

This only makes sense if you've had some ideological lobotomy.

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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2017, 02:01:11 PM »
Trump wants to rebuild America - Tick
Tarpley wants to rebuild America - and he is a "socialist"

Its utter bollox

This only makes sense if you've had some ideological lobotomy.


Tarpley has some good qualities and thoughts about what processes need to be taken. But as with all Idealists their perception and intellect are too far ahead of what is normal.

I think bringing back prosperity first might solve a lot of the social problems we have now. And after that we can start taking care of whats left.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2017, 02:17:52 PM »
Trump wants to rebuild America - Tick
Tarpley wants to rebuild America - and he is a "socialist"

Its utter bollox

This only makes sense if you've had some ideological lobotomy.

Which show was Tarpley thrown off?

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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2017, 05:56:14 PM »
Which show was Tarpley thrown off?

Alex Jones hasn't interviewed Tarpley for quite a while AFAIK.

However, Alex did interview Tarpley at Bilderberg just prior to the 2012 election that Obama won against Romney.
In this interview, Tarpley correctly predicted the eventual turnover of the Ron Paul base to Romney (the never-Romney folks were asked to support Romney, as Ron Paul exited the race.) This was not something that fervent supporters of Ron Paul wanted to hear, but Tarpley made his case for what he expected to see unfolding. And that's exactly what would wind up happening at the Republican convention...

Tarpley had a lot of information packed into the interview Alex did with him at Bilderberg. I've transcribed it and put it into sections, as they moved to different topics. His comments about Ron Paul and Rand Paul were offensive to Ron Paul supporters, although they have somewhat been bourne out by Rands endorsement of Romney.  But at the time the video was posted, that endorsement had not yet been made.

I think that Tarpley, whether or not you agree with his politics, or his view of the Paul candidacy, has a lot of good information to offer, and I would encourage you to watch the videos, and read the following transcript. His perspective of geopolitical gamesmanship is valuable to help understand what we see happening right here. The reasons Bilderberg chooses to make a 'sharp right turn' to Romney is discussed by Tarpley; in relation to events happening in Russia and elsewhere. 

There are a few videos floating around; to get the text clearly, I listened to a couple different videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRFwInTsxkk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_HwnFcEt4&feature=relmfu


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Tarpley on the Rand Paul Deception:
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Tarpley:  My information is that Rand Paul made a pilgrimage, secretly,  to the offices of the Weekly Standard and essentially deal with William Kristol, that Rand Paul would commit to being 'open' to an attack on Iran (which he is in public - in the sense that he's willing to enter to an attack on Iran), and that he would support, vote for, economic warfare measures against Iran.

Now we've just had Rand Paul flirting in public with Romney, and he's obviously making a bid for the vice presidential spot. Now, based on the Bilderberger group here, it looks like Mitch Daniels is in the line ahead of Rand Paul, but even so, we should remember that the whole idea of the Ron Paul campaign was to get Rand as vice president. In other words, if you've been knocking yourself out, sweating blood, giving money bombs and whatever it is to Ron Paul, you've got to realize that the whole purpose of that was to get Rand on the republican ticket for vice president. Because, even though he has no qualifications, he thinks he should be president. It reminds me of other people that we've, we've passed.
The fact is though, that Romney has gone over the 1144 mark on his own power, so he won't need Ron Paul at the convention to transfer the delegates to him. So at that point, Rand (interrupted)...

Alex:  My info was is that Romney reached out to Rand, I mean Rand shouldn't meet with him?

Tarpley:  It's the deal in the background, now let's talk about the deal. The deal is that Romney is a weak candidate, and he knows it --

Alex:  He needs conservative credentials ..

Tarpley:  He's got to have two wingmen: he's gotta have a left wingman, that was his cousin - his cousin Huntsman, Huntsman being this Mormon billionaire , so Huntsman's main purpose in those debates was to run interference for Romney, to fend off attacks.  And whoever was the main enemy of Romney at the time, whether it was Bachman, or Cain, or Perry, or Gingrich, or Santorum - whoever it was, the main activity of Ron Paul was to attack Romney's main enemy at any given time.

He also did other services; in Virginia primary - here we are in Virginia - we had a primary; this was a head-on, a one-to-one primary, Paul against Romney.  Ron Paul punted! He wouldn't campaign, because he was afraid of defeating Romney, now that might have caused the collapse of the Romney campaign. But Ron Paul's goal is to keep Romney as the leading candidate, but at the same time, get enough delegates so that he is indispensable for Romney. And he wasn't able to thread-(unintelligible)...

A couple of other things, Romney wanted to avoid debates. The Georgia debate was aborted because Romney said he didn't want to go; Ron Paul agreed he didn't want to go. The Arkansas debate - same story, didn't want to go. So Ron Paul is a kind of an auxilliary to the entire Romney campaign.

Alex:   That was always a talking point, what's your proof? What's your proof?

Tarpley:  I was out of the gate on the 10th of January with this - the 10th of January. My proof is, if you watch those Republican debates and you can't see that Romney is being helped by Ron Paul, you don't have any political judgment. In other words, it's all (interrupted)..

Alex:  Ron Paul ran five different ads, forgive me, that was an establishment democratic talking point...

Tarpley:  It was the first one, it was mild, it was that he was a 'flip-flopper'; everybody else was a 'criminal' or whatever it was they are - but Romney was only a 'flip-flopper'. 

Let's take the Michigan primary. The function of Ron Paul is to take 10 or 15 percent of anti-Bush republican voters and put them in the deep freeze. Put them in the candidate who's never going to win - can't get the nomination. Romney's problem was that the republican party is maybe 40 percent, people - you know, country club plutocrats, whatever, who would vote for Romney. That leaves 50, 60 percent who would vote for an anti-establishment candidate. So what Ron Paul does is take 15 percent, sometimes 17 percent of the anti-establishment republican votes off the table.

Now the Michigan primary - look at a couple of others - but Michigan was the clearest. Romney won Michigan by a paper-thin margin, that's the Ron Paul effect. Now Ron Paul didn't win Michigan, but he did pay with his money for anti-Santorum election ads. So, you're in the presence of a deception operation; this is not real.  Ron Paul is famous as a nepotist: my figures are that he's got 60 people plus, of his relatives, relatives from the congressional office payroll, or on the payroll of his campaign. Jesse Benton, that a lot of people in the Ron Paul campaign tell me they can't stand, is married to Ron Paul's granddaughter, I believe, right? And remember, the entire purpose of the campaign is nepotism; it's to feather the nest for little Rand so that he has a future.  And again, let's look at who this is: this is Romney. Now people, I think the better people who are interested in Ron Paul, they don't really understand his economics, although they should...

Alex: So Obama's gonna save us...

Tarpley: No, the Bilderberg people are turning for Romney. Romney-Mitch Daniels but they just...

Alex: The word I've got is that Romney's in. From all the big power brokers...

Tarpley: That's the Bilderberg - Bilderberg is throwing their weight, which is considerable, on this side of Romney/Mitch Daniels.. but now you - you want to get me away from this last point that I had...

Alex: I'm not trying to get you away Webster, I came over here to interview you ... and nicely, you're my friend, I was going to interview you, you were interrupting, telling me 'shut up', and now you're saying I want to keep you from the audience, that's bullshit... No listen, that's bullshit... no no no no no, I'm saying, I'm interviewing you, I'm not trying to censor you, but I have views on all of this, that's all. For heaven's sake, I'm not trying to shut you down, make your point. I want to get your point on Al Qaeda, Syria, Libya, Russia - the Russian at the meeting. I want to talk about that instead of this obsession about Ron Paul.

Tarpley:  A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Romney. This is the tragic reality, and I sympathize with the people who were duped in this regard. Remember, Ron Paul runs as an anti-war candidate, even though he voted for the Afghan war. Everybody should remember, Ron Paul voted for the Afghan war. Like Kerry, he was for the Afghan war before he was against it.

Now let's look at Romney, if your supporting Romney, what are you going to get? The biggest war-monger; Romney is out there saying that Russia is the main strategic enemy of the United States, and Romney is out there saying he doesn't want the option to attack Iran on the table - he wants it in his hand.  So, a vote for.. (interrupted)

Alex: Well there you go, Webster, Ron Paul's a war monger. Two days after 911, he says, 'ok, use the force in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden', now you're saying he's a war monger. He's been against all these damn wars, (interrupted)

Tarpley... he voted for the Afghan war. Barbara Lee voted against it. (interrupted)

Alex: I think this is sophistic*, Tarpley, I'm very embarrassed. The difference is you have a belief in the state to empower people, Ron Paul doesn't.

(* In reality, Tarpley's statement was not sophistic, it's a fact. He's raising the point that Barbara Lee voted against going to war with Afghanistan, even though she was in the same 'shock and awe' circumstances as Ron Paul. So Ron's vote for war (even though he changed his mind later) was a fact, not a 'plausible but fallacious contention, as claimed by Alex's use of the word "sophistic".)

Tarpley: ... Barbara Lee voted against it, Ron Paul voted for it. You look for a statesman, Barbara Lee is a statesman, Ron Paul didn't make the grade.

Alex:  The difference is you have a belief in the state to empower humans; Ron Paul doesn't.

Tarpley: No, you're dodging the issue. If the big thing about Ron Paul is that he's against imperialist wars, how come he voted for the Afghan war? Where's the beef, in other words?

Now, underlying all this, right, we're talking about the Mormon's, ok? An important issue. The theology of the Mormons is that they are anti-black. The holy books of the Mormon church say, say that the blacks, the black population, afro-americans, are the spawn of the people who sided with Lucifer in the great battle in heaven. This was then sort of gotten away in 1978. 

I would say that Ron Paul represents the southern jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, which means the old confederates.

Alex: Hold on, Masons are a diverse group - some good, some bad, there's no proof of Ron Paul in Masonry. You are pulling out... why are... why are the globalists so upset at Ron Paul?

Tarpley: ... the wife is in the Eastern Star, the daughters are in the Rainbow Girls, the parents are all Free Masons, I think there's a pretty good case.

Alex: Really, where's the proof of that? They never produced the proof of that -- I think you're going off rumors, Tarpley...

Tarpley: I think that's pretty good research.

Alex: .. so now, I thought you liked the American system, I'm not endorsing the Masons, but George Washington, all those guys.. now if you're a Mason, you're the devil.

Tarpley: Not 'the devil', but when you put that together with the rest of this stuff, what I see ...(interrupted)

Alex: El Diablo...

Tarpley: I see a convergence between the Scottish Rite Free Masons, Mormonism, which is a religion which has profound Free Masonic overtones...

Alex: It is a Masonic religion.

Tarpley: Yes, I think there is this element to it. Yes, so, right now we have Rand Paul, flirting with Romney in public, and if I were a Ron Paul supporter, my worldview would be crashing to the ground right now. After all that work and all those sacrifices, now Alex - let me talk to you --

Alex:  Be sure that states' rights' movement is destroyed...

Tarpley: States' rights has always been a reactionary slogan, states rights meant... (interrupted)

Alex:  (Sarcastic) Only the federal supreme government will save us for Soviet recollectivization, yes, only Sovietism will save us...

Tarpley: Yes, c'mon, be serious now.... I'm almost finished .. if I can just remember what the last point was...

(Unfortunately - the last point - the connection between Mormonism and Free Masonry, was derailed by Alex's heckling comments about states rights' and the sarcastic reference to the Soviets.  Too bad. We need to learn more about the Mormon-Freemason connection; particularly as we look at Bilderberg's choice -Romney's possible presidential win, and the Pauls' assistance in that effort.)

Alex: (sarcastic comments...)

Tarpley: To talk then about Ron Paul's economics. Let's get down- the thing that got me going - Ron Paul made a terrible mistake; he published his economic views on his website, in the Restore America Program.  Now, Ron Paul - when he gets up on the stump, Ron Paul can dance and bob, and weave and shuffle with the best of them.  But, when he puts the numbers on the page -- let's look at the United States. You've got about 50 million people, who, thanks to Bill Clinton, are ...(Interrupted)

Alex:  He said it's going to be slowly phased in ... no one can say dependence has been successful..

Tarpley: No.. no..no.. he talks about one trillion dollars in cuts in one year. One trillion dollars in cuts in the first year, and then balance the budget (interrupted)

Alex:  But the bankers; they don't want that, they want - they want us dependent...

Tarpley: They seem to want that - quite a few of them do want it. Peter Thiel is a pretty good banker and he seems to think it's great.

Alex: He's only one member; all the other Bilderbergs hate him... all right so...

Tarpley: I don't know how many you need.

Alex: (continuing heckling)

Tarpley: You gotta stop this stuff -

Alex: ..your obsession with Ron Paul...

Tarpley: No - your obsession with defending him.

Alex: No - you are obsessed.

Tarpley: Let me talk to you - you are better than Ron Paul.  You don't need Ron Paul. Let's take an issue like 911. You have stuck to your guns on 911 Truth. [/b]

Alex:  Alright, since you brought that up, Ron Paul was asked four years ago about it, and after he said, well, (interrupted)

Tarpley: And again on January 1st he repudiated it --

Alex: he's been so busy he hasn't been able to deal with it..

Tarpley: wow, it's the greatest issue of our time...

Alex: But he knows about false flags, Ron Paul knows false flag terror is real, there's been a CIA coup, all of that - Ron Paul; I know him...

Tarpley:  When did he say that? Did he say that on the presidential debates?

Alex: He said that on my show and others... I know Ron Paul's family, man, Ron Paul is good. All I know is there's bigger -- why are you so obsessed with Ron Paul?

Tarpley: In the presidential debates he was asked... he was asked ...Because I see lots of people who are useful and productive people...(interrupted)

Alex: Useful idiots for your soviet model?

Tarpley: ... who have been highjacked by a flim-flam artist. Ron Paul is the most successful con artist in the entire campaign.

Alex:  60 seconds on your obsession because I want to get to other issues... oh really, only Ron Paul, in the entire galaxy, it's all Ron Paul ... not Syria, not Libya, not Russia, not NATO, not Europe collapsing, not the pigs being sucked dry, Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! He's so Evil! He's so Bad! Tarpley -Tarpley - he'll save us - along with the communists!

Tarpley: You are undercutting, if you want to protest Bilderberg, I would say to you, 'don't go out there and say Ron Paul, Ron Paul - I know a lot of people, including myself, who say, 'I don't want to hear about any reactionary republican for the rest of my life. I'm sick of republicans, I don't want any of them'. I know a lot of people who, after Bush, swore that they would never vote for a reactionary republican for 10 thousand years, and now (interrupted)

Alex: hey, I'm against the whole power structure..

Tarpley:  but you're tied to the republican party - are you guys all registered republicans? What is this?

Alex: Can we now move on to the next topic..(interrupted)

Tarpley: Why do we have to be tied to a cynical politican of the republican power structure?

Alex: Webster, I exposed Obama, I exposed Bush...(interrupted)

Tarpley: How about Ron Paul? When are you going to expose him? But you're running interference for Ron Paul...and he's running interference for Romney - where does that leave you? You see what I mean?

Alex: Listen, Romney's an unknown country, I've exposed his ties to banking and all of it. Now listen, stop right there. Finish up with your Ron Paul fetish. Let's move on to the next subject, go ahead.

Tarpley: A vote for Ron Paul was a vote for Romney.

Alex: So you love Obama?

Tarpley:No, no, no.  (over Alex heckling) I take second place to nobody - (Alex heckling) - I was the first out of the gate - the first, I think, in the relevant universe to expose Obama, so I have the credentials, in other words, I was telling left liberals in 2008 - "You're being duped - watch out!"

Alex: Webster, I like you - can we move on to WWIII please...

Tarpley: Today, I will tell people like you "you're being duped by Ron Paul. Stop it. Same story."

Alex: we're going to move on to the next issue.

Tarpley: I suppose, now, let me just talk about your triumphalism, right, what you're saying that the patriot movement is winning, whatever this is...

Alex: (sarcasm) Oh - we're failing... you're such a good friend of liberty... we're going to run out of live feed real soon... we've got about 10 minutes on batteries... infowars.com...

Tarpley:  Let's talk about, let's talk about something real... let's talk about what it takes, you want to break the power of finance capitalism?  Because that's what Bilderberg is - Bilderberg is the finance capitalism in the NATO framework.

Alex: this is the phoney centralized government.

Tarpley: You wanna break their power - you better find an example that works.

Alex: Infowars.com

Tarpley: Doesn't work -- Ron Paul doesn't work - Adbusters doesn't work.  (Asks Alex to stop heckling)...

Alex: Ok Webster, now I've got an earpiece in, get into the other issues...tell everybody how bad Ron Paul is...



Interview continues on topics including:

1. Success of the Syriza Movement in Greece
2. How dictatorship comes to a country
3. The situation in Italy and BRICS
4. The situation in Russia
5. The globalists wanting Obama out (Romney in)

The point is this: if you don't agree with someone's politics, fine. But if you shut your ears, shut off your brain cells to information they may offer, then you're going to remain in the dark, and be "surprised" when your hero turns out to be human after all.
Tarpley was anti-Obama, anti-Romney, anti-Bush... and until he was anti-Trump, Alex was listening to him. (More or less).

Tarpley has a tremendous historical perspective on events around the world, and he's well-worth listening to, even if he's not your political cup of tea. :)

Find him here: www.tarpley.net
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2017, 09:13:20 PM »
In 2017 I expect a mess.

Sorry, I cannot envision anyone getting elected in this country unless the “Bilderberg” group approves.  Therefore, why did Mr. Trump win?  Are “they” ready to collapse this country, with a capitalist in the white house, and a republican majority in congress?  Consider it.
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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2017, 05:05:42 PM »
Before health and love I expect victory against Zalgiris in basketball Euroleague on Orthodox Christmas Eve
and meeting Trump with Putin of course.  :)
You ?

On Orthodox Christmas Eve, today Red Star Belgrade beat Zalgiris in Lithuania in basketball Euroleague. Next please :)

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Re: What do you expect from 2017 ?
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2017, 07:46:37 PM »
Alex Jones hasn't interviewed Tarpley for quite a while AFAIK.

However, Alex did interview Tarpley at Bilderberg just prior to the 2012 election that Obama won against Romney.
In this interview, Tarpley correctly predicted the eventual turnover of the Ron Paul base to Romney (the never-Romney folks were asked to support Romney, as Ron Paul exited the race.) This was not something that fervent supporters of Ron Paul wanted to hear, but Tarpley made his case for what he expected to see unfolding. And that's exactly what would wind up happening at the Republican convention...

Interview continues on topics including:

1. Success of the Syriza Movement in Greece
2. How dictatorship comes to a country
3. The situation in Italy and BRICS
4. The situation in Russia
5. The globalists wanting Obama out (Romney in)

The point is this: if you don't agree with someone's politics, fine. But if you shut your ears, shut off your brain cells to information they may offer, then you're going to remain in the dark, and be "surprised" when your hero turns out to be human after all.
Tarpley was anti-Obama, anti-Romney, anti-Bush... and until he was anti-Trump, Alex was listening to him. (More or less).

Tarpley has a tremendous historical perspective on events around the world, and he's well-worth listening to, even if he's not your political cup of tea. :)

Find him here: www.tarpley.net

I agree, Tarpley is an essential read/listen in my view. Alex Jones is more towards the entertainment end of the spectrum, although that might be a tad unfair. It is also unsurprising that Alex has not invited such an intelligent, articulate and focused critic of Donald Trump on his show.