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Trump intervention fails as Obama allows Palestine UN Resolution
« on: December 23, 2016, 02:51:28 PM »
Earlier today, at the behest of mad dog Netanyahoo, Trump shamefully pressured Egypt's Sisi into dropping the UN resolution which would have criminalized the Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

Just minutes ago, after the vote was returned to the UN with new sponsors, the US abstained and allowed the resolution to go through. Obama has done something right for a change, while the craven stooge Trump has once again shown his true colors and allegiances.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV

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Earlier today, at the behest of mad dog Netanyahoo, Trump shamefully pressured Egypt's Sisi into dropping the UN resolution which would have criminalized the Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

Just minutes ago, after the vote was returned to the UN with new sponsors, the US abstained and allowed the resolution to go through. Obama has done something right for a change, while the craven stooge Trump has once again shown his true colors and allegiances.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV

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Earlier today, at the behest of mad dog Netanyahoo, Trump shamefully pressured Egypt's Sisi into dropping the UN resolution which would have criminalized the Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

Just minutes ago, after the vote was returned to the UN with new sponsors, the US abstained and allowed the resolution to go through. Obama has done something right for a change, while the craven stooge Trump has once again shown his true colors and allegiances.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV

seriously?  "shamefully" "craven stood Trump"...WOW...just wow d00d....hey, thanks for making it crystal clear where your allegiances lie. 

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seriously?  "shamefully" "craven stood Trump"...WOW...just wow d00d....hey, thanks for making it crystal clear where your allegiances lie.

Yes, I am very up front about my views about Trump and anything else. What about you? You are 'wowed' by my apt terminology but what about this resolution and Trump's ignominious role in trying to scupper it?

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This is a question which is impossible to answer. There are two ways to address it, from a theological perspective and from a historical perspective. When we use religious arguments, we reach violent extremes with no possibility of dialogue. Here is a very good video with the millions of lives lost fighting for the promised land (Nina Paley is its author). Historical arguments do not seem to contribute much either. The truth is that right properties of former land never existed, and though Israel can argue that its territory was given by the United Nations, if we go back in history no one would resist the proof of murder or steal in the origin of times.
The controversy goes back century's, the hatred is generational and will simply not evaporate.. The Palestinians have been caged in, each time there is a rocket or shot fired by the P, they get hammerd by Israel..* severly hammered.
 DT, should not have been involved at this point,its evident  he is pro Israel, though as president elect he is surely allowed his oppinion, but interference on a political level in foreign affairs should be his philosophy only.
Does anyone beleive there is a peacefull solution to this insanity, to include would a two state being effected -change anything? DOUBTFULL!
 This is a debate that could go on for a few more century's, as for DT I wish he had remained domesticly involved at this time, we all know he is backing Israel..
 
 
 


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If you go back in time. 

One of the many FAKE attacks by the MSM was involved with Trump's FAKE statement that he was against Israel expanding (illegally) it's boarders.

It was that statement where we got the FAKE meme that the Israel oligarchs were, of course, "out to get Trump" and did not want him to win the election.

Yet another legacy of the lie that is Donald Trump.
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This is a question which is impossible to answer. There are two ways to address it, from a theological perspective and from a historical perspective. When we use religious arguments, we reach violent extremes with no possibility of dialogue. Here is a very good video with the millions of lives lost fighting for the promised land (Nina Paley is its author). Historical arguments do not seem to contribute much either. The truth is that right properties of former land never existed, and though Israel can argue that its territory was given by the United Nations, if we go back in history no one would resist the proof of murder or steal in the origin of times.
The controversy goes back century's, the hatred is generational and will simply not evaporate.. The Palestinians have been caged in, each time there is a rocket or shot fired by the P, they get hammerd by Israel..* severly hammered.
 DT, should not have been involved at this point,its evident  he is pro Israel, though as president elect he is surely allowed his oppinion, but interference on a political level in foreign affairs should be his philosophy only.
Does anyone beleive there is a peacefull solution to this insanity, to include would a two state being effected -change anything? DOUBTFULL!
 This is a debate that could go on for a few more century's, as for DT I wish he had remained domesticly involved at this time, we all know he is backing Israel..
 
 

both theological and historical perspectives on land ownership are a joke...

in a nutshell, almost every square inch of this planet is controlled, though not necessarily populated, by conquerors...

I've had to deal with this arrogant, and totally ignorant, thought process concerning how Mexicans think America is actually theirs  :o

seriously, I can't even begin to relate to how they think they have the right to illegally cross the border and refuse to even show the common courtesy of integrating into this society.

historically they have no rights to this land, they are simply the descendants of Spanish conquered lands who were lead north and stole this land from the native American tribes that were here first, then this stolen land was sold to America in the Louisiana Purchase. 

on the subject at hand, Israel is a joke to me...yeah, they are valuable allies, but they took that land originally by committing genocide on a large scale by the supposed directive of God...then they lost it...then that despicable entity known as the U.N. gave it back to them.  I noted about a decade ago how many Israeli soldiers were suffering from PTSD from what I determined was their body's reaction to the stuff they were doing to the Palestinians...

that being said, one must realize the whole Middle East was long ago conquered repeatedly.

historically speaking about the only places that have any indigenous populations left are the areas discovered by Columbus...it's only been 500 years and that's not enough time to eradicate them now is it?

religion? pffffttttt...

the point of this diatribe is to point out that there is no real historical basis for any sense of land ownership, as the Necromongers would say, "you keep what you kill". Of course we live in a 'civilized' world and as such some attempts at keeping peace need be done...that's kind of tricky as any legal tort would indicate what the Necromongers live by now doesn't it?  if one really wanted to go legal on it, then the Israeli's actually do have the strongest claim to the region as they there are no clearly definable Canaanites floating around, yet there are plenty of quite clearly defined descendants of the Jewish who committed genocide to conquer that area of the world now aren't there?

as far as Trump sticking his nose into this, well that's just DT being DT...face it, he WILL be the next POTUS and has the complete right to point out that things will be changing come the 20th of January...calling him a "craven stooge", as noted, clearly draws a line in the sand about a particular person's allegiances...we all know what type of people use such language don't we?

as far as Obama (whom I completely detest and would love to see him being strung up for treason) abstaining and allowing this resolution to pass, well I'm undecided about that because of my statement above as to my feelings about Israel in general.

Politically speaking, Obama betrayed Israel, of that there is no doubt...AFAIC it plays quite nicely into DT's hands and will give him reason to respond in some fashion

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... this awful problem never gets better ...
but there are only two sides in a war ...
Trump has picked his side and OBAMA/UN
has picked theirs. HOWEVER ... I see this
as a POSSIBLE YUGE fault point for
the crumbling, bumbling DEM party ...
check out what leftie DAILY BEAST has to say:

Team Obama Lets U.N. Condemn Israel for Settlements
Republicans and Democrats alike excoriated the Obama
administration for allowing the Security Council measure to pass.

ANDREW DESIDERIO.  12.23.16
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/23/team-obama-lets-u-n-condemn-israel-for-settlements.html
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What the Israeli government has been doing to the Palestinians is absolutely disgraceful and inexcusable, and those who make tortured rationalizations for this brutality and savagery should quite frankly be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/state-of-israel-charged-for-crime-of-genocide-and-war-crimes-kuala-lumpur-tribunal/5346375

State of Israel Charged for “Crime of Genocide and War Crimes”, Kuala Lumpur Tribunal

Tribunal Hearing against Israel and General Amos Yaron

By Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCC)
Global Research
August 20, 2013



“WHY is it that the murder of one man is considered a criminal act whereas the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people committed in wars, is not considered so? -Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, former Prime Minister of Malaysia

KUALA LUMPUR, 19 August 2013 – The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal (KLWCT) will be hearing war crimes and genocide charges against Amos Yaron, a retired Israeli army general and the State of Israel from 21 to 24 August in Kuala Lumpur.

This is the first time that war crimes charges will be heard against the retired general and the State of Israel in compliance with due legal process. The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCC), having received complaints from victims from Palestine (Gaza and West Bank) and the Sabra – Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon, in 2012, investigated these complaints resulting in the institution of formal charges on war crimes against the accused.

The suffering of the Palestinian people have been well documented over the decades without any legal recourse being open to these people. Legal obstacles are placed in their path denying them the right to be heard. The international community too has failed to recognise their fundamental human right to be heard. The KLWCC founded in 2008 was established to fill this void and act as a peoples’ initiative to provide an avenue for such victims to file their complaints and let them have their day in a court of law.

Witnesses are scheduled to testify against the accused during the course of the tribunal hearing. Eyewitnesses of the Sabra – Shatila massacre will be testifying at the hearing and one of them include prominent surgeon and author Dr Ang Swee Chai. Other witnesses at the hearing will also include those from Gaza during the Operation Cast Lead 1 that resulted in the loss of numerous civilian lives and destruction of property where even children were victims.

Expert witness Paola Manduca, a retired Professor at University of Genoa, Italy who is an expert Geneticist will testify on the impact of weapons on reproductive health arising from the attacks in Gaza, especially to children. There will also be witnesses from the West Bank to testify on alleged Israeli state violence and atrocities against the Palestinian people.

The first charge against Amos Yaron for War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Genocide is as follows:
    The defendant Amos Yaron perpetrated War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Genocide in his capacity as the Commanding Israeli General in military control of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Israeli occupied Lebanon in September of 1982 when he knowingly facilitated and permitted the large-scale Massacre of the Residents of those two camps in violation of the Hague Regulations on Land Warfare of 1907; the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949; the 1948 Genocide Convention; the Nuremberg Charter (1945), the Nuremberg Judgment (1946), and the Nuremberg Principles (1950); customary international law, ‘jus cogens’, the Laws of War, and International Humanitarian Law.
The other charge, which is against the State of Israel for the Crime of Genocide and War Crimes, is as follows:
    From 1948 and continuing to date, the State of Israel (hereafter ‘the Defendant’) carried out against the Palestinian people a series of acts namely killing, causing serious bodily harm and deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction.
The conduct of the Defendant was carried out with the intention of destroying in whole or in part the Palestinian people. These acts were carried out as part of a manifest pattern of similar conduct against the Palestinian people. These acts were carried out by the Defendant through the instrumentality of its representatives and agents.

Such conduct constitutes the Crime of Genocide under international law including the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide 1948 (‘the Genocide Convention’) in particular Article II and punishable under Article III of the said Convention. It also constitutes the crime of genocide as stipulated in Article 10 of the Charter of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission.

Such conduct by the Defendant as an occupying power also violates customary international law as embodied in the Hague Convention of 1907 Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, and the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. Such conduct also constitutes War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity under international law.

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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

Facts All US Citizens Need to Know About Israel and Palestine

by Robert Barsocchini
Washington's Blog
July 12, 2014

Gaza (along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem) is occupied Palestinian territory under international law, determined by the vast majority of the world, as well as the highest court in the world, the UN’s International Court of Justice. Gaza cannot commit aggression against Israel, since Israel is in constant and continual commission of illegal aggression against Palestine by occupying it (illegally and sadistically blockading it and frequently committing terrorism against its civilians, including by targeting them with chemical weapons provided by US taxpayers – see “Rain of Fire” by Human Rights Watch). As documented by Amnesty Int’l, Human Rights Watch, and many others, Israel intentionally targets and murders civilians, including children, en masse.

*  Israel also kidnaps and tortures children, including by keeping them in outdoor cages, over night, in winter.

*  But, even ignoring international law and that Gaza is under illegal Israeli occupation, Gaza did not initiate this current round of violence; Israel did:
    *  Western/US/Israeli propaganda says the violence started with the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli youths on June 12th. That is a lie:

    *  On May 20th, the Israeli government murdered 2 unarmed Palestinian teens, one on video, and wounded a third.

    *  The firing of pathetic scrap metal rockets from impoverished Gaza, which have killed no one, were in fact launched in response to earlier Israeli bombings, killings, assassinations, and arrests of Palestinians, including children.
Since the year 2000, Israel has killed 1,500 Palestinian children, while Palestinians have killed 132 Israeli children. That means Israel has killed over 1,000% percent more Palestinian children than vice versa.

*  As documented by the Washington DC based non-Profit, The Jerusalem Fund, Israel breaks far more ceasefires than Palestine – this includes firing of the Palestinian scrap metal rockets.
    *  For example, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and many other human rights organizations reported that in Israel’s 2009 Gaza Massacre, Israel killed about 450 children, and it was Israel, they documented, that broke the ceasefire. (In that massacre, Israel killed overall from 1,400 to 7,000 Palestinians, almost all civilians, while 13 Israelis were killed, several from friendly fire.)
*  According to a landmark, comprehensive study of all of Israel’s wars, by Zeev Maoz, Professor of Political Science at the University of California, Davis, former head of the Graduate School of Government and Policy and of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, and former academic director of the M.A. Program at the Israeli Defense Forces’ National Defense College:
    *  “. most of the wars in which Israel was involved were the result of deliberate Israeli aggressive design . None of these wars – with the possible exception of the 1948 War of independence – was what Israel refers to as Milhemet Ein Berah (war of necessity). They were all wars of choice . ” – Defending the Holy Land, pg. 35

    *  “I review a number of peace-related opportunities ranging from the Zionist-Hashemite collusion in 1947 through the collapse of the Oslo Process in 2000. In all those cases I find that Israeli decision makers – who had been willing to embark upon bold and daring military adventures – were extremely reluctant to make even the smallest concessions for peace . I also find in many cases Israel was engaged in systematic violations of agreements and tacit understandings between itself and its neighbors.” – Defending the Holy Land, pg. 40
*  Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other country. That includes Iraq under Hussein.

*  Hamas is the government elected by Gaza in elections that Jimmy Carter (and many others) observed and said were completely fair and free. Israel constantly says Hamas uses human shields. But in Israel’s biggest massacre of Gaza, the one in 2009, all the human rights organizations, including Amnesty, HRW, and the jurist Richard Goldstone, found that Hamas DID NOT use human shields. On the contrary, Israel used human shields, which is a regular practice for Israel.

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As to the question of how best to solve this ongoing problem, I wholeheartedly agree with the solution advocated by economist Fred E. Foldvary, and am therefore at odds with both Trump and Obama.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140401025651/http://www.progress.org/views/editorials/foldvary-the-key-to-peace-is-rent/

The Key to Peace is Rent

by Fred E. Foldvary
The Progress Report
July 7, 2003

Rent! The final economic frontier.

The key to a lasting peace between the Jewish Israelis and the Arab Palestinians is the payment of rent for land. Palestinians and Israelis fight and kill for land, yet paying rent for land remains an unknown concept. This illustrates the importance of understanding basic economics. Everybody knows that rent exists, yet it does not dawn on the peace seekers that the solution to the land problem is turning the conflict over land into a market in land, where those who want land pay for it as rent.

Israeli troops and tanks have now withdrawn from northern Gaza. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade have declared a cease fire with conditions. They want the government of Israel to stop its targeted killing of terrorist leaders.

One problem is that minor militant groups, such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, have refused to join the cease fire. Also, individual Palestinians opposed to the truce could on their own kill some Israelis. We cannot expect the killing to stop entirely. There are Palestinians opposed to a state on the West Bank and Gaza; they insist on an Arab and Islamic state over all the British-mandate territory, with all Jews killed or expelled. For them, it's all or nothing. They will continue the killing in order to break the truce.

Israel must not react to the continuing killing by acting by itself to hunt and kill the murderers. They should give the Palestinian authority under its new leadership a chance to work with the Israelis to provide security. If Israel reacts by killing Palestinians, they would be letting the extremist Palestinians set the agenda.

Israelis and Palestinians should create a new alliance: those who seek peace versus those on both sides that wish to continue the conflict. It should no longer be Palestinians versus Israelis, but peace seekers versus war mongers.

But it is not enough to cry Peace! Peace! Besides the immediate steps of releasing prisoners, easing the traffic chokes, and removing troops from Palestinian areas, Israel must confront the long term issue of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza. With this cease fire, Israel can now act without being seen to be giving in to terror.

First, Israel should withdraw the Israelis who have settled in Gaza. It would be a much welcomed gesture by Arabs, Israel would save the cost of defending these settlements, and there is little religious significance about the Gaza for Jews.

Second, Israel must confront the land conflict in Judea and Samaria, the West Bank of the Jordan River. It is called a "Bank," so the settlers who have been deposited there should pay interest. Israel never annexed Judea and Samaria. This is an implicit recognition that the Palestinian Arabs have rights to that land. Most of the world recognizes the West Bank as properly belonging to the Palestinian Arabs. Yet many Jews consider the land theirs because it was theirs historically and because God designated that land for the Israelites. Some Christians also think so. To abandon that land would be to act against the supreme Lord of the Land.

It is such a dilemma. But economics has an answer. Israel can formally recognize Judea and Samaria as territory of a Palestinian State. The international boundary would be the pre-1967 boundary, with minor adjustments. But since Israelis are living there, were now born there, and consider it their home and their religious duty to stay, Israelis could remain as residents, so long as they paid rent for the land to the Palestinian State.

The rent would increase over time up to the market rate for renting the land. The all-or-nothing crowd would not be pleased, but Palestinians would gain more from this than from kicking out the Jews. The Palestinians would obtain badly needed funds from the rent. With peace, the road blocks would be removed, and there would be huge mutual gains from trade between the Israeli residents and the Arabs. The residents would be offered Palestinian citizenship, so they would be dual citizens of Israel and Palestine if they wished. Palestinians should not object to Jews living in Palestine, since there are also Muslim and Christian Arabs living in Israel. The Israeli settlements would be opened to Arab residents, so eventually the Jews in Judea and Samaria would be foreign residents just like foreigners live in many places all over the world.

Rent is the key to peace. Paying rent would acknowledge the Palestinian claim to the land, without giving up the attachment Jews have to their ancient homeland. Jews have lived in Judea under foreign rule for centuries, under Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, the British, and Turks. If Jews were willing to settle in Palestine under Turkish rule, why not also under Palestinian?

Rent is what has been missing from the peace talks. It takes a geoist and Georgist to fully understand the implications of rent. This can now be the geoist gift to the world. Geoists can give the world the key to peace. We need to send this message to the peace seekers of the Middle East: Israelis pay rent! Palestinians get rent!

We need big signs in peace marches that show a key and underneath, say "rent!" We need to keep shouting "rent" until people finally get it. Send a letter to all your local newspapers with the simple and short message: "The key to peace in the Middle East is for Israelis to pay rent to the Palestinians for land in the West Bank." A thousand letters like this would wake people up. Editors like such short letters, so do it today. Give the world the key to peace!


https://web.archive.org/web/20140808011111/http://www.progress.org/tpr/solution-to-the-israelipalestinian-conflict-2

Solution to the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

by Fred E. Foldvary
The Progress Report
January 9, 2007

Isaiah 59:8 tells us, “The way of peace, they know not.” Events are hurling Israel/Palestine down a spiral to ever more fearsome conflict. Suicide bombers wrecked terror to disrupt the peace process, killing 14 Israelis in Jerusalem. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Arafat’s government of not doing enough to curb terrorism and arrest those responsible. The Israeli government shut the border, banned travel by Palestinians, and withholds tax revenues that pay the government workers in Palestine. The Palestinian authority in turn has retaliated. Yasser Arafat’s government now threatens to boycott Israeli products.

Why have terrorists on both sides sought to stop “the way of peace?” Because they don’t like the direction it is taking. Extremist Israeli Jews insist that the West Bank should remain part of Israel, as its historic Samaria and Judea. Extremist Palestinian Arabs demand total possession of the West Bank, and then the rest of Israel as rightfully Arab. The heart of the conflict is land: two peoples claim to own the same piece of territory. Splitting the land and separating the two peoples is difficult because the populations are now intermingled, Israeli Jews having resettled the Judea-Samaria West Bank, and Palestinian Arabs having become dependent on jobs in Israel.

The problem with the peace process is that the two sides set forth on a path whose destination was unknown. Without a known goal, fearing the worst, extremists on both sides have sought to halt the process with violence, and they succeeded in derailing the caravan to peace. What is needed is a clear destination, and one that satisfies the desire of both sides for justice. Most Israelis and Palestinians are willing to co-exist, but only if they feel the ultimate settlement does not betray their quest for a homeland.

But how can two peoples justly occupy the same land? The main principle of justice is equality. Each side should recognize that the other has a just and equal claim to live in Israel/Palestine. The just solution to the land question is to endow each resident of the territory an equal claim to the land.

To implement an equal share of the land, it is not necessary to reassign the land titles, or force people to move. There is no need to physically redivide the land itself, but rather the benefits of the land. And the benefits of the land are manifested in the value of the land, which can be measured by the rent that people are willing to pay to be located in the land.

The solution to the land question in Israel/Palestine is to make each Israeli and Palestinian resident a common owner of all the land there, and then to have each person that possesses land pay rent to the people as owners. The more valuable land one side occupies, the more rent it will have to pay. Land would be held at a price. A market for land would replace the conflict over land.

To whom would the rent be paid? Certainly not to the Israeli or the Palestinian governments. Instead, there could be a confederation of the two governments. The rent would be paid to the confederation, which would then allocate some of it to the two governments and use some of it for common territorial services, such as environmental protection. The confederation could also have courts to resolve disputes between Israelis and Palestinians, and also have authority over common resources such as water.

The concept of sharing the land was recognized by the religious philosopher, Martin Buber, who settled in Israel. In a 1956 article, “Socialism and Peace,” Buber wrote that the only thing that can bring about peace in Israel is “a just distribution of the soil, and the formulation of small communities which would be organic cells of this new economy and this new society” (A Land of Two Peoples, 1983). But he said he had no blueprint of how to bring this about. Economics offers the blueprint: a just distribution of the rent of the soil, because the rent can be easily collected and divided.

If this economic solution can be made known, discussed, and then implemented, then the Israelis and the Palestinians can set forth together on an upward spiral to living together in peace. With a known and just destination, then those extremists will not be able to disrupt the peace process, because the two peoples will have already settled on a just solution.
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What the Israeli government has been doing to the Palestinians is absolutely disgraceful and inexcusable, and those who make tortured rationalizations for this brutality and savagery should quite frankly be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/state-of-israel-charged-for-crime-of-genocide-and-war-crimes-kuala-lumpur-tribunal/5346375

State of Israel Charged for “Crime of Genocide and War Crimes”, Kuala Lumpur Tribunal

Tribunal Hearing against Israel and General Amos Yaron

By Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCC)
Global Research
August 20, 2013

Follow up to that. Nothing happened because of it.

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ISRAEL FOUND GUILTY OF GENOCIDE
General Amos Yaron Found Guilty of Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity
Kuala Lumpur, 25 November 2013.




The Tribunal orders that reparations commensurate with the irreparable harm and injury, pain and suffering undergone by the complainant war crimes victims be paid to them. Though the tribunal is a tribunal of conscience with no real power of enforcement, the tribunal finds that the witnesses are entitled ex justitia to the payment of reparations by the two convicted parties. The tribunal hopes that the witnesses armed with the findings of the tribunal will, in the near future, find a state or an international judicial entity able and willing to exercise jurisdiction and enforce the verdict of this Tribunal. The tribunal’s award of reparations will be submitted to the War Crimes Commission to facilitate the determination and collection of reparations by the Complainant War Crime Victims.

President Lamin further read, “As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement. What we can do under Article 34 of Chapter VIII of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

The Tribunal further recommends under Article 35 of the same Chapter that the names of the two convicted parties be entered in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and publicised worldwide. The tribunal also recommends that conviction be given the widest international publicity, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions.

The Tribunal further read that it deplores the failure of international institutions to punish the State of Israel for it crimes and its total lack of respect of International law and the institutions of the United Nations. It urges the Commission to use all means to publicise the judgement and in particular with respect to the Parliament and Legislative Assemblies of the major powers such as the members of the G8 and to urge these countries to intervene and put an end to the colonialist and racist policies of the State of Israel and its supporters.

https://www.silviacattori.net/spip.php?article5076

Same tribunal “tried” Bush, Cheney, Blair, etc. Again, nothing.

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Convictions invoking universal jurisdiction
In November 2011 the tribunal purportedly exercised universal jurisdiction to try in absentia former US President George W. Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, convicting both for crimes against peace because of what the tribunal concluded was the unlawful invasion of Iraq.[7][8][9]

In May 2012 after hearing testimony for a week from victims of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, the tribunal unanimously convicted in absentia former President Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Deputy Assistant Attorneys General John Yoo and Jay Bybee, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former counselors David Addington and William Haynes II of conspiracy to commit war crimes, specifically torture.[10][11] The tribunal referred their findings to the chief prosecutor at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.[12]

In November 2013, the tribunal found the State of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and convicted former Israeli general Amos Yaron for crimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.[13]

Legitimacy of the tribunal
The former United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers, Param Cumaraswamy, has suggested the tribunal is a private enterprise with no legal basis and questions its legitimacy.[14] The tribunal does not have a UN mandate or recognition, no power to order arrests or impose sentences, and it is unclear that its verdicts have any but symbolic significance.[15]
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 Hi Geo,, let me go of  the map for a minute..If it was presented mainstream MSM exactly what the data is, total kills Israel/Palestine it would become obvious as to  the extent of carnage..That said, it would initiate, trigger the Mainstreamers to consider the facts the USA citizens have basically ignored. Nam, 2-3 million killed & 60,000 US troopers, AFG, Iraq, Libya, etc. etc.
 The admission of wrongdoing is the road to salvation, redemption &  honor restored.
I have a hangup when it comes to facing up to the facts especially slaughtering innocents, Israel has hammered the Pals, no doubt about it. I have often wondered as to their tactics, many folks I have spoken with have the opinion if the Pals toss in one rocket, Iz will blow up a city in retaliation.
 I guess what I'm driving at our illustrious ADM's have led the citizenry USA into many a war, innocents have paid the price as have our troops & USA coffers, utill the admission is made our grand ole leaders have played us like an ole fiddle, justifying the take down of nations and populations under whatever guize the neocons dream up.
 Accountability is in order on all fronts, from the ADM planners of these debauchery's , Congress, MSM  and last but not least the citizens.
Recently I listened to a MSM face saying we invaded Iraq to get Sadam, I have to wonder how the history books will tell thee tale.



 


 

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Israel to re-assess U.N. ties after
settlement resolution, says Netanyahu

December 24, 2016

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel will re-assess its ties with the United Nations following the adoption by the Security Council of a resolution demanding an end to Israeli settlement building, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday.

The vote was able to pass the 15-member council on Friday because the United States broke with a long-standing approach of diplomatically shielding Israel and did not wield its veto power as it had on many times before - a decision that Netanyahu called "shameful".

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"I have already instructed to stop about 30 million shekels ($7.8 million) in funding to five U.N. institutions, five bodies, that are especially hostile to Israel ... and there is more to come," he said.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/defying-pressure-u-lets-u-n-denounce-israeli-003317040.html
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... re-alignments. De-funding UN.

"If the United Nations moves forward with the ill-conceived resolution, I will
work to form a bipartisan coalition to suspend or significantly reduce United
States assistance to the United Nations."


Graham to propose measure cutting aid to UN
BY NIKITA VLADIMIROV - 12/24/16

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is pledging to propose a measure to cut U.S. funding to the United Nations unless it repeals a resolution demanding an end to Israeli settlements.

"It's that important to me," Graham told CNN on Saturday. "This is a road we haven't gone down before. If you can't show the American people that international organizations can be more responsible, there is going to be a break. And I am going to lead that break."

Graham pledged to work to "leave no doubt about where America stands" when it comes to the Middle East and Israel.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/un-treaties/311752-graham-pledges-to-propose-a-measure-to-cut-us-financial
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Knowing the situation personally and first hand; people in Israel and the West Bank people generally get along very good, the main problems the people have with each other is the Israel's  are having their cars stolen and taken across the border with no resources to getting them back and West Bank People having to ration their water is such a way that it isn't uncommon to run out before their monthly allotted amount runs out. I like both people they are friendly.
Now the real problem is agents inside the governments purposely inflame in several way much like the CIA and MI6 do in our countries; people have a hard time deciphering what is going on: but much like USA is going to have their swamp drained so does Israel and the West Bank.
How to do that is prevented by the UN as I suspect they, (the UN) are the bad guys behind the curtain.
Close down the UN and maybe there can be some resolutions figured out.
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Knowing the situation personally and first hand; people in Israel and the West Bank people generally get along very good, the main problems the people have with each other is the Israel's  are having their cars stolen and taken across the border with no resources to getting them back and West Bank People having to ration their water is such a way that it isn't uncommon to run out before their monthly allotted amount runs out. I like both people they are friendly.
Now the real problem is agents inside the governments purposely inflame in several way much like the CIA and MI6 do in our countries; people have a hard time deciphering what is going on: but much like USA is going to have their swamp drained so does Israel and the West Bank.
How to do that is prevented by the UN as I suspect they, (the UN) are the bad guys behind the curtain.
Close down the UN and maybe there can be some resolutions figured out.
                   YES, there is a very dark history as to the intell? agency's & UN being deep in the ole sh**t.
Jacob, having been in the ME, I assume that you have been, Do you have a oppinion on the average citizen of Iran......Ya know, skipping the finatical segment?

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And now, a Zionist for Ambassador to Israel...

David Friedman, Donald Trump's pick for ambassador to Israel, has all sides on edge
http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2016/12/26/22692830.html?cid=rssnewsworld
JOSH LEDERMAN, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Dec 26, 2016, Last Updated: 3:11 PM ET

NEW YORK — If U.S. President-elect Donald Trump wanted to show he planned to obliterate President Barack Obama’s approach to Israel, he might have found his man to deliver that message in David Friedman, his pick for U.S. ambassador.

The bankruptcy lawyer and son of an Orthodox rabbi is everything Obama is not: a fervent supporter of Israeli settlements, opponent of Palestinian statehood and unrelenting defender of Israel’s government. So far to the right is Friedman that many Israel supporters worry he could push Israel’s hawkish Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to be more extreme, scuttling prospects for peace with Palestinians in the process.

The heated debate over Friedman’s selection is playing out just as fresh tensions erupt between the U.S. and Israel.

In a stunning decision Friday, the Obama administration moved to allow the U.N. Security Council to pass a resolution condemning Israeli settlements as illegal. The move to abstain, rather than veto, defied years of U.S. tradition of shielding Israel from such resolutions, and elicited condemnation from Israel, lawmakers of both parties, and especially Trump.


“Things will be different after Jan. 20th,” when he’s sworn in, Trump vowed on Twitter.

As to the U.N., things will be different after Jan. 20th.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 23, 2016


Presidents of both parties have long called for a two-state solution that envisions eventual Palestinian statehood, and Netanyahu says he agrees. Friedman, who still must be confirmed by the Senate, does not. He’s called the two-state solution a mere “narrative” that must end.

Under Obama, the U.S. has worked closely with J Street, an Israel advocacy group sharply critical of Netanyahu. Friedman accuses Obama of “blatant anti-Semitism” and calls J Street “worse than kapos,” a reference to Jews who helped the Nazis imprison fellow Jews during the Holocaust.

For decades, the U.S. has opposed Israeli settlement-building in lands it seized in the 1967 Mideast war. Friedman runs a non-profit that raises millions of dollars for Beit El, a settlement of religious nationalists near Ramallah. Beit El runs a right-wing news outlet and a yeshiva whose dean has provocatively urged Israeli soldiers to refuse orders to uproot settlers from their homes.

So it’s unsurprising that Friedman’s nomination has already sharpened a growing balkanization of American Jews, between those who want the U.S. to push Israel toward peace and those who believe Obama’s approach abandoned America’s closest Mideast ally.

It’s a debate playing out even at Temple Hillel, near the Long Island-Queens border, where Friedman’s father was rabbi for almost half a century.

“Clearly, David’s opinions do not appeal to everybody in the synagogue, and they appeal to others in the synagogue,” said Ken Fink, the synagogue’s president and longtime congregant. “But there’s a huge amount of pride for the hometown boy.”

Thirty-two years before Trump’s election, President Ronald Reagan donned a yarmulke and noshed on chicken cutlets and noodle pudding at Rabbi Morris Friedman’s home, after a speech at Temple Hillel affirming the separation between church and state. Coming just two weeks before Reagan’s re-election, the attempt to woo Jewish voters struck some as opportunistic, and they protested on the streets of the heavily Jewish town of North Woodmere.

Seated at the Sabbath table with Reagan was David Melech Friedman — his middle name means “king” in Hebrew. The rabbi’s son went on to become Trump’s bankruptcy lawyer, an advocate for far-right policies on Israel, and now, Trump’s choice for ambassador, despite having no diplomatic experience.

Cindy Grosz, who said she’s known Friedman for nearly 50 years, recalled big parties with boisterous debates about Jewish issues held in his family’s sukkah, the outdoor hut Jews build during the harvest festival Sukkot.

“He still has the same best friends he’s had for over 30 years,” Grosz said.

At his midtown Manhattan law firm, Friedman opens his offices to those in mourning who need a minyan — a quorum of 10 men in Orthodox Judaism — to say the Mourner’s Kaddish, a prayer that observant Jews say daily for one year after a parent’s death.

And it was a parent’s death, in a way, that brought Friedman and Trump closer together. Over the years, Friedman has told friends the story of how the billionaire real estate mogul defied an oppressive snowstorm that had kept others away to “sit shiva” for Friedman’s father during the Jewish mourning period.

Educated at Columbia University and NYU School of Law, Friedman developed a reputation as an aggressive, high-stakes bankruptcy attorney, representing Trump when his Atlantic City casinos went through bankruptcy.

In the courtroom, he’s known as a formidable opponent, said attorney Tariq Mundiya, Friedman’s adversary in several cases. He said he’d been aware of Friedman’s advocacy on Israel but added, “When you’re in the fog of war with David, the last thing you’re talking about is the Middle East.”

Enraged by Trump’s pick, left-leaning groups and Palestinian officials have suggested his confirmation could spell the end of any serious discussions about peace.

Netanyahu has stayed publicly quiet about Trump’s pick. Friedman and Trump’s transition team didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Associated Press writers Josef Federman and Daniel Estrin in Jerusalem and Tia Goldenberg in Beit El, West Bank, contributed to this report
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... is the 3rd-world-first globalist secret UN society
going down in flames with rest of the leftist zeppelin?

BACKFIRE: OBAMA'S ISRAEL SLAP
COULD PROMPT U.S. TO LEAVE U.N.

'We need to ditch this organization run by crazies'
GARTH KANT

WASHINGTON – “Never let a crisis go to waste,” President Obama’s first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel once famously advised Democrats.

Republicans look increasingly determined to now use that advice against Obama.

The president’s refusal to veto a United Nations resolution condemning Israeli settlements, documented in detail by WND on Friday, is now causing such a backlash, the move could stunningly backfire on the outgoing commander in chief.

Following Friday’s vote, there were immediate calls for the U.S. to defund the organization. By Monday, there was a rising tide of calls to use the vote as a reason for the U.S. to leave the U.N. altogether.

“We need to ditch this organization run by crazies and
create one run by free nations,” former Rep. Steve
Stockman told WND


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Roger L. Simon, CEO Emeritus of PJ Media, wrote, “t would be useful to negotiate the entire institution out of existence, or at least impoverish it to the degree it will have to decamp from Manhattan and leave that pricey Turtle Bay real estate for better purposes.”

On Monday, President-elect Donald Trump called the U.N. “sad” following its anti-Israel resolution. He tweeted: “The United Nations has such great potential but right now it is just a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time. So sad!”

√ Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/backfire-obamas-israel-slap-could-prompt-u-s-to-leave-u-n/#656rawZi411L8jr0.99
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Re: POWERFUL DEMOCRATS CALL FOR DE-FUNDING THE UN
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2016, 09:03:39 AM »
Senate Democrats Condemn Obama for Anti-Israel UN Vote
ADELLE NAZARIAN.  26 Dec 2016

Some Senate Democrats have issued scathing statements against President Barack Obama and his administration’s decision to break with longstanding tradition to veto anti-Israel resolutions, choosing, instead, to abstain from voting in a United Nations Security Council vote. The vote called for a halt to Israeli construction in the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem.

Among the Democrats are Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Bob Casey (D-PA), Richard Blumenthal (D-VT), Mark Warner (D-VA), and Chris Coons (D-DE), all of whom echoed Republican President-elect Donald Trump’s call just one day earlier for America to veto the resolution that he said would put “Israel in a very poor negotiating position” and be “extremely unfair to all Israelis.”

Sen. Schumer, who is the incoming Senate Democratic leader and also Jewish, pointed out that the “U.N. has been a fervently anti-Israel body since the days of ‘Zionism is racism’ and, unfortunately, that fervor has never diminished".

“It is extremely frustrating, disappointing and confounding that the Administration has failed to veto this resolution,” Schumer said. “[P]ast Administrations – both Democrat and Republican- have protected Israel from the vagaries of this biased institution. Unfortunately, this Administration has not followed in that path and its actions will move us further from peace in the Middle East.”

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Re: REPUBLICANS STRONGLY CONDEMN OBAMA / UN
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2016, 09:29:28 AM »
... Republicans are stepping up the rhetoric ... :o

GOP Threatens to Yank U.N. Funding After Israel Vote

EXCERPTS:

Sen. Ted Cruz tweeted on Christmas Eve:
“Spoke w/ Israeli PM @netanyahu tonight to wish him Happy Chanukah
& assure him of strong support in Congress. No US $ for UN until reversed."

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    Calling Israel one of our closest international allies understates the reality of the situation. It would almost be closer to the truth to call it an American adjunct. They are about as close to being an American outpost in the Middle East as you can get without blatantly making them the 51st state. We fund their military, we bolster their economy, and we ensure their security in a way that no country protects any other country. As ludicrous as it would be for the U.S. to abstain from a vote condemning our own country, Obama’s stunt is only slightly less ridiculous.

Alas, the Netanyahu government is Israel’s equivalent to the Republican Party, so Obama is willing to risk an international crisis for the sake of making a political point.

http://www.conservativefreepress.com/politics/gop-threatens-yank-u-n-funding-israel-vote/
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Follow up to that. Nothing happened because of it.

Same tribunal “tried” Bush, Cheney, Blair, etc. Again, nothing.

These tribunals, even though nothing immediate or tangible might happen because of them, are still important. It is important to bring the case against criminals in whatever court or arena is available, and to hear the facts and come to a verdict. Without this the guilty parties are never indicted anywhere, which is of course what they want.

However, there are tangible effects which arise from tribunals such as these. Many members of the current and former Israeli administrations cannot travel to many areas of the world for fear of being arrested for crimes against humanity, based on rulings such as the ones referenced by Geolibertarian. There is wide latitude granted in many countries, including the whole EU, when it comes to arrests for crimes against humanity.

However this resolution has much sharper teeth because it gives a legal basis, having criminalized settlement activity under what is considered to be international law, for corporations and public bodies and governments etc to organize boycotts and sanctions against Israel. It also removes the legal basis for the ban of such activities which is in place in many countries.

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Looks like some top Dems agree with Trump


Democrats scorch Obama over UN vote condemning Israeli settlements
http://www.businessinsider.com/un-israel-vote-obama-democrats-2016-12



It is past time that the truth be told about Israel, Zionism and all its components. Enough with the lies on all fronts.
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... "crimes against humanity"? This is a joke ...
are you not aware of what goes on WITHOUT
cease, MUSLIM against JEWS/CHRISTIANS
the world over? There is a WAR going on ...
and it is about to go LIVE, BIGLY ... if
you want  to be on the MUSLIM side, be my guest ...
but the US is gonna be on the JUDEO/Christian
side, God-willing, now that we have REGIME CHANGE.
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... "crimes against humanity"? This is a joke ...
are you not aware of what goes on WITHOUT
cease, MUSLIM against JEWS/CHRISTIANS
the world over? There is a WAR going on ...
and it is about to go LIVE, BIGLY ... if
you want  to be on the MUSLIM side, be my guest ...
but the US is gonna be on the JUDEO/Christian
side, God-willing, now that we have REGIME CHANGE.

You've got it exactly backwards. It's not about religion, it is about humanity, and holding those to account for their crimes against humanity, be the perpetrators Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist or whatever..

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You've got it exactly backwards. It's not about religion, it is about humanity, and holding those to account for their crimes against humanity, be the perpetrators Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist or whatever..

... tell that to the crazy, violent, religious muslim zealots.
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The United Nations Gets KRAUTHAMMERED:
Trump Should ‘Turn It Into Condos’

Conservative pundit Charles Krauthammer launched a verbal
assault against the United Nations on Fox News Monday evening.


√ VIDEO: http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/27/the-united-nations-gets-krauthammered-trump-should-turn-it-into-condos-video/#ixzz4U3i6rBPt

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The Zionist warmongers and Israeli-firsters in the Republican Party can go screw themselves, and so can the psychopathic war criminals who run the Israeli government.

-- http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/facts-us-citizens-need-know-israel-palestine.html

-- http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-crimes-tribunal-beyond-reasonable-doubt-israel-found-guilty-of-genocide/5359381

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIcAcrvi2M&t=300s (Rothschild Zionism - David Icke P1)

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWtdU6U1C7Q (Rothschild Zionism - David Icke P2)

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"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Is Palestine "perfect"? No. But that doesn't mean Israel (with all its nukes and U.S. taxpayer-financed weapons of war) has any business playing the role of poor, helpless victim while it commits war crimes against Palestinians over and over again.

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http://www.infowars.com/top-5-lies-about-israel%E2%80%99s-assault-on-gaza/

TOP 5 LIES ABOUT ISRAEL’S ASSAULT ON GAZA

Jeremy R. Hammond
Foreign Policy Journal
January 3, 2009

Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.

The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated pieces of property in the world. The presence of militants within a civilian population does not, under international law, deprive that population of their protected status, and hence any assault upon that population under the guise of targeting militants is, in fact, a war crime.

Moreover, the people Israel claims are legitimate targets are members of Hamas, which Israel says is a terrorist organization. Hamas has been responsible for firing rockets into Israel. These rockets are extremely inaccurate and thus, even if Hamas intended to hit military targets within Israel, are indiscriminate by nature. When rockets from Gaza kill Israeli civilians, it is a war crime.

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Hamas has a military wing. However, it is not entirely a military organization, but a political one. Members of Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. Dozens of these elected leaders have been kidnapped and held in Israeli prisons without charge. Others have been targeted for assassination, such as Nizar Rayan, a top Hamas official. To kill Rayan, Israel targeted a residential apartment building. The strike not only killed Rayan but two of his wives and four of his children, along with six others. There is no justification for such an attack under international law. This was a war crime.

Other of Israel’s bombardment with protected status under international law have included a mosque, a prison, police stations, and a university, in addition to residential buildings.

Moreover, Israel has long held Gaza under siege, allowing only the most minimal amounts of humanitarian supplies to enter. Israel is bombing and killing Palestinian civilians. Countless more have been wounded, and cannot receive medical attention. Hospitals running on generators have little or no fuel. Doctors have no proper equipment or medical supplies to treat the injured. These people, too, are the victims of Israeli policies targeted not at Hamas or legitimate military targets, but directly designed to punish the civilian population.

Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.

Israel never observed the cease-fire to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law.

Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others.

Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response by militants to the Israeli attacks.

Israel’s actions, including its violation of the cease-fire, predictably resulted in an escalation of rocket attacks against its own population.

Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.

There has been no evidence that Hamas has used human shields. The fact is, as previously noted, Gaza is a small piece of property that is densely populated. Israel engages in indiscriminate warfare such as the assassination of Nizar Rayan, in which members of his family were also murdered. It is victims like his dead children that Israel defines as “human shields” in its propaganda. There is no legitimacy for this interpretation under international law. In circumstances such as these, Hamas is not using human shields, Israel is committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Conventions and other applicable international law.

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http://www.infowars.com/why-are-we-sending-38-billion-to-rich-and-powerful-israel/

WHY ARE WE SENDING $38 BILLION TO RICH AND POWERFUL ISRAEL?

Israel should be free to pursue its national interests and we should be free to pursue ours

Ron Paul
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September 19, 2016

Last week’s announcement of a record-breaking US aid package for Israel underscores how dangerously foolish and out-of-touch is our interventionist foreign policy. Over the next ten years, the US taxpayer will be forced to give Israel some $38 billion dollars in military aid. It is money we cannot afford going to a country that needs no assistance to maintain its status as the most powerful military in the Middle East.

All US foreign aid is immoral and counterproductive. As I have often said, it is money taken from poor people in the US and sent to rich people overseas. That is because US assistance money goes to foreign governments to hand out as they see fit. Often that assistance is stolen outright or it goes to the politically connected in the recipient country.

Just as bad is the fact that much of what we call “foreign aid” is actually welfare for the wealthy here at home. The aid package to Israel is a very good example. According to the agreement, this $38 billion will all go to US weapons manufacturers. So the real beneficiaries are not the American people, and not even Israeli citizens. The real beneficiaries are the US military-industrial complex. Perhaps the money won’t even leave Washington – it may simply go across town, from the Fed to the Beltway bomb-makers.

While even US government aid to desperately poor countries should be opposed on moral and practical grounds, it is even harder to understand US aid to relatively rich countries. At a nominal per capita GDP of over $35,000, Israel is richer than Japan, Italy, and South Korea. Not long ago Business Insider published a report by the Institute for the Study of War showing that the Israel is the most powerful military force in the Middle East. We know they have hundreds of nuclear weapons, a sophisticated air force, drones, and even nuclear weapons-equipped submarines.

So why is the US giving a rich and incredibly well-armed country a record amount of military aid? Part of it is that the US government believes it can coerce Israel to do Washington’s bidding in the Middle East. History shows that this is a foolish pipe dream. If anything, US aid subsidizes Israeli human rights abuses in Gaza and elsewhere.

Another reason is a very powerful lobby in Washington, AIPAC, that pressures Members of Congress to focus on Israel’s interests instead of US interests. Members of Congress should look at our economy, with effectively zero interest rates, an anemic non-recovery from the 2008 crash, historically low participation in the work force, and inflation eroding the value of the dollar and conclude that this might not be the best time to start handing out billions of dollars in foreign aid. Unfortunately most Members of Congress find it impossible to say no to special interest groups like AIPAC.

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Just as you don't have to be "racist" to oppose Obama, or "sexist" to oppose Hillary, or "xenophobic" to support Trump, you don't have to be pro-Islam or anti-Semitic to oppose Israeli state-sponsored terrorism.
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You've got it exactly backwards. It's not about religion, it is about humanity, and holding those to account for their crimes against humanity, be the perpetrators Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist or whatever..
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  Your educated, a skilled debater..We all get it. You speak of humanity as if religion is insignificant. It would be laughable to say human beings are not subject to brain dipping, that religions have don't  effect human beings actions.The Inquisition, the Holy Roman Catholic church litterally controlled the peons...Telling us humanity is the issue treds on thin ice, human beings have a desperate need to beleive in a creator, it is inherit through the ages, and used by by those in the chamber o f power. 
 
     Forget Iz and the Pals for just one moment.
Sharia Law....A religion &  government........
                   
Shariah law As a legal system, Sharia law is exceptionally broad. While other legal codes regulate public behavior, Sharia law regulates public behavior, private behavior and even private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Sharia law is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women. According to Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on (see Sharia law in America, UK, Europe and Saudi Arabia).

 Q- If you were born and bred/raised under Sharia law, (just for one example of many)- where  would your philosophy fit in.
      In short do these Muslims who have been raised in under Sharia law have much of chance to expose their so called humanity, or have they been dipped. US citizens for the most part are Christians however that doesn't indicate the abominations our ADM's have pulled of are of  a Chrisitian nature. 

Webster.
Humanity-:  the quality or state of being humane
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a :  the quality or state of being human
b plural :  human attributes or qualities <his work has the ripeness of the 18th century, and its rough humanities — Pamela H. Johnson>
3
plural :  the branches of learning (as philosophy, arts, or languages) that investigate human constructs and concerns as opposed to natural processes (as in physics or chemistry) and social relations (as in anthropology or economics)
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:  the human race :  the totality of human beings.. Your correct in saying those who commit crimes against humanity should be punished, you have no argument there..    Tell me how we can punish a religion, a 1,400 yer old mindset that is in fact governing by their holy Kuran, just for example. How do you prosecute a religion.

  Israel and Palestine was the topic and I have gone off the map, but my feelings are in evidence on my prior post.Geo is correct, Israel has definelty hammered Gaza....It would be mindless to say otherwise.
  If Palestine had the power rather  than Israel, what would they do with it? End-there is much more to this abomination than Israels genociding the Gaza.
 

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Lest I be misunderstood, I don't think the UN has any rightful business proclaiming that a person of any race, ethnicity, religion or national background has either a greater or lesser right of access to the Earth on which all human beings must live yet which none created or produced than does a person of any other race, ethnicity, religion or national background.

That is why (as I stated earlier in this thread) I agree with Fred Foldvary on this issue, and am consequently at odds with both Trump and Obama.

https://www.progress.org/articles/a-confederation-of-new-canaan

A Confederation of New Canaan

Why It Matters:

A confederation is a realistic and just solution to the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

By Fred Foldvary, Ph.D.
The Progress Report
Apr 5, 2015

The proposal for a “two state” solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has failed. The Israelis reject it because they want to keep their investment in West-Bank settlements, and they fear that a completely independent Palestinian state would become a launching pad for an attack against Israel. But many Palestinians reject anything less than the full evacuation of the Israeli settlements, as happened in Gaza, and full sovereignty for a Palestinian state that includes all of East Jerusalem.

A “one state” solution is rejected by most Israelis, as the greater population of non-Jewish Arabs would wreck the Jewish self-determination that is the purpose of the State of Israel. The ideal would be a “no state” solution of peaceful voluntary governance, but that is not realistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY (The Land Is Mine)

Therefore the logical resolution to the conflict is a “three state” solution: Palestine, Israel, and a confederate government. Palestine would become a member of the United Nations and other international organizations, and Palestine could join the Arab League. But foreign countries would be asked to maintain embassies to the Confederation.

The idea of a confederation has been proposed multiple times, and there is an organization promoting it: IPC, the “Israeli Palestinian Confederation,” which has written a Constitution of the Israeli Palestinian Confederation. Yet this idea has not penetrated the official negotiations, and has had relatively little discussion in the media.

The IPC has created a governance structure, but has deliberately left out policy contents such as the public finances and the division of the land. It is now time to create a peace plan with justice, which would then be offered to the parties as a contract to accept or reject.

The pre-1967 boundaries of Israel have achieved international recognition, and pragmatically should be accepted as the national boundaries of Israel and Palestine. But the forcible removal of people because of their ethnicity or religion has to stop. The just solution is leaseholds. The Israeli settlements would become leaseholds of the Palestinian state. The governments of the Israeli communities would pay the market land rent of their leased land. The rent would be collected by the Confederate government and passed on to the government of Palestine. Thus Israelis would be able to live in the ancient lands of Judea and Samaria, but at a price. Probably some of the settlers would move to Israel, as they would no longer be subsidized.

To avoid continuing conflict, Israel and Palestine would agree to bury past grievances, not to forget them, but to not let them dominate and ruin future relationships.

One problem with a two-state solution is that it would again divide Jerusalem. The Confederation proposal would let East Jerusalem be the capital of Palestine, but would copy the confederate concept to the city as well. There would be an Israeli administration of West Jerusalem, a Palestinian administration of East Jerusalem, and a confederate government for all Jerusalem. The administrations of West and East Jerusalem would not necessarily be along the 1967 boundary, but could incorporate current residency and also put the Old City under the Confederate government.

To assure security for the Israelis, the Palestinian government would not have a military. It has no need for armed forces, as no Arab state will attack it. The Confederation would have a police force, and over time, as trust is developed, some of the military capacity of Israel would be transferred to the Confederate government, whose troops would be volunteers.

The two parts of Palestine would be West Palestine (Gaza) and East Palestine (the West Bank). The Confederation would solve the problem of connecting West and East Palestine. With peace, the checkpoints would be eliminated, and the routes from West to East Palestine would be managed by the Confederate government.

If the Palestinians seek economic growth, they would be wise to eliminate the economically punitive taxes they now have, and implement a prosperity tax shift. Palestine would replace the value-added tax and import duties with a tax on land value. The Israeli settlers would already be paying rent to Palestine, and the payment of ground rent would be extended to all the lands of Palestine. The Palestinians would no longer be dependent on Israel for government revenues.

The Palestinian refugees and residents would have a limited ability to move to Israel, but the returnees would have Palestinian citizenship. The other refugees would be granted compensation, and the Arab countries in which they reside would grant them citizenship in those countries.

The Golan Heights would remain under Israeli jurisdiction, as any negotiations with Syria would have to await the end of the wars and the establishment of democracy in Syria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo2TLlMhiw (Conflict in Israel and Palestine: Crash Course World History 223)

The United States should propose the Confederate solution. If it is rejected by the government of Israel, the USA should stop its governmental aid to Israel and promote Palestinian membership in the UN. If the Palestinian authority rejects the Confederation, the US would require new elections in both Gaza and the West Bank, and acceptance of confederation, to continue US aid. The US and Europe would put financial pressure for the acceptance of the just solution.

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... "crimes against humanity"? This is a joke ...
are you not aware of what goes on WITHOUT
cease, MUSLIM against JEWS/CHRISTIANS
the world over? There is a WAR going on ...
and it is about to go LIVE, BIGLY ... if
you want  to be on the MUSLIM side, be my guest ...
but the US is gonna be on the JUDEO/Christian
side, God-willing, now that we have REGIME CHANGE.

I think that if you read about the US/NATO funding and training of muslim terrorists, or if you have read anything about the millions of muslims that NATO has killed, maimed, orphaned, tortured, and otherwise abused in the most depraved ways, you would have to wonder how Christians could condone this slaughter we've been engaged in for the past 15 years, and will continue (endless war on terror) into the foreseeable future.

You seem to want to look at everything through the lens of religion, as if any of these wars were about religion. I think you have missed a fundamental step in the process of becoming aware of how the globalists operate. They don't practice religion (any religion), they USE religion as a tool to divide people. During WWII, the Jews were the target - they were dehumanized, literally destroyed - after a long campaign to get people to see them as less than human.

If you are awake to the false flag that occurred on 911, then you must know that the 'patsies' in this ff were muslims - convenient use of these guys to kick off the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq... and it continued. As long as we had youtube videos filled with atrocities by muslims (courtesy of the CIA), then they could keep the hatred going - keep the "muslims did it" meme alive, and thus continue their devastating warmongering activities in the middle east.

Arab Spring was more of the same; we saw Hillary practically wet herself with joy - "We came, we saw, he's died" - what a sick twisted bitch.

But it's important to keep muslims on the hate radar... they're sitting on land that WE WANT TO CONTROL... so demonize them (make shit up and post it on youtube), then overthrow their governments, destroy their homes, get pissed off when they try to migrate to safer places (hate, hate, hate)...

It makes me wonder what Christians here are really about? Do you think Jesus would approve? Not the Jesus I know in my heart.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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Israel Outraged That Countries Object to Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians
Corbett • 12/27/2016
https://www.corbettreport.com/israel-outraged-that-countries-object-to-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians/

From the way Israel is reacting you would think that someone had dropped a nuke on Tel Aviv.

Prime Minister Netanyahu summoned the US ambassador to deliver an official diplomatic protest.

He went public with his condemnation, too, calling the recent actions against Israel “reckless and destructive” and excoriating John Kerry and President Obama for their own part in this fiendish skullduggery.

He has ordered the Israeli diplomatic machinery to start curtailing their working ties with UN Security Council members, including minimizing diplomatic visits and denying foreign ambassadors access to the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

Not to be outdone, Rabbi Levi Shemtov, executive vice president of American Friends of Lubavitch, turned the National Hanukkah Menorah lighting ceremony in Washington on Sunday into a weapon of diplomacy when he squeezed in a not-so-subtle dig about the “darkness” of the UN Security Council’s recent actions.

Even Newt Gingrich got in on the act, finding an excuse to blame the whole fiasco on (who else?) those dastardly Russkies.

So what unthinkable, egregious violation did the Security Council commit? Why, they dared to condemn ethnic cleansing, of course.

More specifically, the Security Council passed Resolution 2334 last week, condemning “all measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, including, inter alia, the construction and expansion of settlements, transfer of Israeli settlers, confiscation of land, demolition of homes and displacement of Palestinian civilians, in violation of international humanitarian law and relevant resolutions.”

For those not well versed in the subject, compare the resolution’s language to the literal dictionary definition of ethnic cleansing: “the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity.”

What countries on the planet could possibly object to a resolution condemning ethnic cleansing? Well, for a long time the only two countries on the planet that have objected to this type of resolution have been Israel and the United States, with the US specifically vetoing resolution after resolution on the crimes of Israel in occupied Palestine. But the US sat this one out, choosing to abstain from the vote rather than veto it; hence Netanyahu’s ire at the Obama administration.

The US’ abstention on this resolution is not just unorthodox; it is almost without precedent. As Jean Shaoul points out in a recent article on the resolution:

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“According to a Security Council Report, the US has vetoed 30 resolutions relating to Israel and the Palestinians, and another dozen relating to Israel and Lebanon or Syria. Combined, these make up more than half of its 77 vetoes since the UN was established in 1946.”

So unusual is this inversion of the diplomatic status quo that we were just treated to the pinnacle of bizarro politics: a speech by US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power—humanitarian love bomber and wife of Cass “Cognitive Infiltration” Sunstein—that wasn’t complete nonsense.

“The total settler population in the West Bank and East Jerusalem now exceeds 590,000. Nearly 90,000 settlers are living east of the separation barrier that was created by Israel itself. And just since July 2016 – when the Middle East Quartet issued a report highlighting international concern about a systematic process of land seizures, settlement expansions, and legalizations – Israel has advanced plans for more than 2,600 new settlement units. Yet rather than dismantling these and other settler outposts, which are illegal even under Israeli law, now there is new legislation advancing in the Israeli Knesset that would legalize most of the outposts – a factor that propelled the decision by this resolution’s sponsors to bring it before the Council.”

Feel free to insert your own wisecrack about broken clocks being right twice a day here.

So what does all of this mean? Luckily for Israel, it means almost nothing.

The resolution itself is, needless to say, completely toothless, lacking any mechanism to compel Israel to enforce its own laws on the illegal settlements.

Sanctions, of course, are not an option, because as we all know even requiring labels for settlement-made Israeli goods is a heinous act that could (gasp!) delegitimize Israel.

And to top it all off President-elect Trump has gone out of his way to make sure that his close personal friend, the “great great” Prime Minister Netanyahu will have his way with America once again during the Trump administration.

Not only has Trump tweeted threats to the UN in retaliation for the resolution (right idea, wrong reason), but he has appointed David Friedman as Ambassador to Israel. Friedman has no diplomatic experience whatsoever, and his only qualification seems to be that he was Trump’s bankruptcy lawyer, but he is also a staunch supporter of the illegal settlements and opponent of a two-state solution.

And just last week Trump announced Jason Greenblatt as his special representative for international negotiations. Greenblatt, an ex-settler who previously worked guard duty at a Jewish settlement in the West Bank, will be the Trump official overseeing the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

Still, even if the Security Council’s resolution is largely symbolic, it is now part of the official UNSC record and can be cited by the international community in future condemnation of illegal Israeli action. Individual symbolic resolutions may not amount to much, but the precedent of calling Israel out on their flagrantly illegal behavior, like their war crimes in Gaza in 2014, does add up in the long run. But that is small comfort to the people of occupied Palestine in the meantime.

As for Netanyahu, he gets to go on the outrage circuit, drumming up sympathy points from a
soon-to-be President Trump who has already declared himself
a lifelong friend of Israel and
perpetuated the 9/11 lies to blame that false flag event
on Israel’s enemies rather than the true perpetrators of the crime.

And Netanyahu can also win sympathy points from his staunch supporters on the American right by blaming this whole event on Obama and the entire United Nations Security Council.

Strangely, though, amidst all the brouhaha of frayed diplomatic relations and curtailing of ties, there is no word yet out of Tel Aviv on whether Israel will be declining the record-setting $38 billion aid package the Obama administration promised earlier this year.
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oPINIONS,


Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan | World ...
https://www.theguardian.com › World › Iraq
15 de set de 2004 - The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
         OK, the Un big dog decared the Iraq invasion illegal, so what is the UN doing about it.......00000000000000000

Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan | World ...
https://www.theguardian.com › World › Iraq15  set de 2004 - The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal. ... Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in ...

Am I making a point or walking in a fog, WORDS, again what they do about it? again............ 000000000000000000000000000

For that matter on a lightly different scale:Did 9/11 Justify the War in Afghanistan? | Foreign Policy Journal
www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/.../did-911-justify-the-war-in-afg...
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25 de jun de 2010 - [1] This question implies another: Is this war winnable, or is it destined ... these attacks provide a legal justification for the invasion of Afghanistan? ... The U.S. war in Afghanistan was not authorized by the UN Security Council ...-00000000000000000000

The UN, NATO, you guys tell me just wtm they are all about.  Seems to me talk is cheap....Security council, come on, show me their extent of influence.

NATO , I don't realy want to get to deep in this, it is similar to the old show, Who do you trust..........

Having researched, listened to Trump for years,heard his disqust of the Iraq war among others...So someone tell me exactly why he is for the West bank IZ expansion. What is it truly about...Not the jubber jabber , the truth...If we had stayed out of the M>E, watched our backs, if intell had been public, if the big dogs didn"t run the show.
 Sure we would have finatics, it's historical especialy so with Israel's stance and the Muslim brain dipped, finded terror $$ and armament, probably would have continued,BUT to a much lesser extent surely. In fact squat compared to what is is now.
  But we didn't stay our of it , 911 opened Pandoras box, the slimebags crawled out of the woodwork. If DT has no clue as to the truth of 911, I regress... This guy is informed, he knows this was an FF, He has said follow the money concerning 911, at minumum he leaked a drop of acid on the deal)...  In short, we are at war, the choice of simply walking away is nulified, we can't, we inititated this muckshow, expanded the lunacy leaving no alternative that I am capable of suggesting that would end this madness this post haste.
   
   Who actually beleives the USA insiders are not pulling the strings and conning the people. What is the inside deal here, we get the MSM/POL rhetoric, but why, why , why...Is is fear IZ cnt protect itself,  which is doubltfull, and fact,   So what is real reasoning here?

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... I think it IS clear that the BUSH/US collaborated with
the SAUDI ROYALS and other MUSLIM crazies (probably
including Muslim Brotherhood) to pull off 911 ... and have
been colluding with them ever since ... the Bushes, Clintons
and Obamas are ALL implicit in the atrocious world situation
that has come down. It is senseless to keep wringing our hands
about the Palestine situation ... or 911 ... or Iraq #1 & #2. Even
the US/UN/EU "Arab Spring" and annihilation of Egypt and
Lybia are old news and 'background' at the moment. The
hot battleground is Syria ... Ukraine and Turkey may
turn red hot any day ... and Iraq #3. When Trump and
Putin and Netanyahu go after the muslim crazies ... and
the globalist moneymen propping them up ... AND no holds
barred ... I expect muslim imports all over the West will go ballistic ...
at that point ... who's side are you on?
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Re: REPUBLICANS STRONGLY CONDEMN OBAMA / UN
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2016, 10:48:27 PM »

KASSAM — USexit: The Case for Booting the
UN Out of America Grows Stronger

RAHEEM KASSAM. 28 Dec 2016

In his lame-duck attempt to undermine the State of Israel with a diplomatic knifing in the front, President Obama has created fertile ground for a campaign to lead the United States out of the United Nations. Or as I call it: USexit.

A Usexit (pronounced: you-sex-it) movement has rarely ever taken hold, with the last attempt to encourage such a move dying in committee in 2015. Then, Congressman Mike Rogers (R-AL) alongside a number of other Congressmen and women floated the American Sovereignty Restoration Act (ASA).

At the time, the bill called for a repeal of The United Nations Participation Act of 1945, much like how Brexit campaigners in the United Kingdom would prefer not to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and simply repeal the 1972 European Communities Act.

The ASA called for the following:

The President shall terminate all membership by the United States in the United Nations, and in any organ, specialized agency, commission, or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations.

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... I fully imagine a USexit campaign could take root in 2017. Another own goal for the establishment. And a chance for Donald Trump to drain the international swamp, too.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/28/kassam-usexit-case-turfing-un-america-grows-stronger/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
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who can explain me what/why happened. i thought US supports Israel no matter what.

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who can explain me what/why happened. i thought US supports Israel no matter what.

Regmeok,

Nothing ever happens to Israel even when a UN resolution is passed against them. They have always been backed militarily by the US no matter what politicians may say. The above article promising 38 Billion USD came from the Obama administration. The Trump vs Obama angle here is political theater. пустой шум.

Interestingly, Americans are told in churches that if “we” don't “support Israel”, (whatever that means) God will curse the nation and all its inhabitants. I have heard this first-hand.

What are Russians told about Israel?
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... I think it IS clear that the BUSH/US collaborated with
the SAUDI ROYALS and other MUSLIM crazies (probably
including Muslim Brotherhood) to pull off 911 ... and have
been colluding with them ever since ... the Bushes, Clintons
and Obamas are ALL implicit in the atrocious world situation
that has come down. It is senseless to keep wringing our hands
about the Palestine situation ... or 911 ... or Iraq #1 & #2. Even
the US/UN/EU "Arab Spring" and annihilation of Egypt and
Lybia are old news and 'background' at the moment.


So you are willing to overlook the facts of what we have watched play out over the past 15 years, to consider them "old news and background" ... but I wonder how, if you ignore the facts ("old news"), you can use critical thinking when it comes to the actions we take moving forward? The "old news" is now down the "memory hole" - which is exactly the point: the memory hole exists to keep the facts out of sight. Cognitive dissonance... "we've always been at war with Eastasia"

When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.
1984, Orwell (pp. 34–35)

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Old news, right?


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... When Trump and
Putin and Netanyahu go after the muslim crazies ...and
the globalist moneymen propping them up ...


And how do you know if Israel, Russia and the US will be going after the "globalist moneymen"? Do you see this happening? I don't. I see the current cabinet being formed as a representation of the "globalist moneymen".

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 ... who's side are you on?


Yikes -- are you G.W.Bush? What are the choices... "Your either with us or you're with the terrorists"?

Those are the choices defined by neocons.

How about I'm on the side of TRUTH.
John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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Re: REPUBLICANS STRONGLY CONDEMN OBAMA / UN
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2016, 11:27:01 AM »
^^^

Here's some old news for you:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=311619.msg1580302#msg1580302

... by 'old news' I mean to say that the world
has changed ... the truth is out ... the muslim
world makes it plainer each day that passes
that they mean to destroy Judeo/Christianity
and create a world 'caliphate' ... a muslim
"religious" order. Don't keep harping about
'old news' (wanna talk about the Crusades?).

It is also clearer each day that passes that the
current UN/US/EU-run 'world govt' is THIRD
WORLD FIRST, giving preference to the defacto
'3rd world religion' / world view / islamism ... we see
it here in the US in the DEM Party/Obama Admin ...
Agenda 21, etc., wealth flow North to South,
open borders, international welfare system, et al.

We all know the Arab World/muslims will not stop
until they can destroy Israel and take as much of the
Christian world as they are allowed.
Ain't gonna happen under DJT.

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Huckabee: Defund United Nations —
Use Money for Veterans Benefits

JEFF POOR. 29 Dec 2016

Wednesday on Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor,” former Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) was asked about U.S. federal funding for the United Nations, which has come under fire by many domestically for a Security Council resolution condemning the nation of Israel for building settlements in disputed territories.

Huckabee suggested the monies allocated from the United States for the United Nations should be taken away and given to veterans that served under the U.S. flag.

√ VIDEO INTERVIEW: http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/12/29/huckabee-defund-united-nations-use-money-for-veterans-benefits/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

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Let it loose; it will defend itself."