Zeitgeist Addendum preaches illuminati communism

[Tsul777]

Sort of like "my god is better than your god; my truth is truer than yours?" Insomuch as people like to disagree on just about everything, which makes us individuals; which is a good thing, I don't stake my claim on any one leader be they truther, politician or family member. Like CG says, stand up for yourself. I will not be led down the proverbial garden path in order to "fit in". That's what is wrong with a lot of people today. They are simply afraid of making their own mind up about any particular issue because they will be shunned by the majority. Therefore you get the mindless masses sucking up what they are fed from the modern media. They are afraid of what joe blow will whisper about them behind their backs so blindly adopt the groupthink.
Why do you think all these so-called "leaders of the truth movement" are constantly at odds with each other? As any movement gains strength, be they truthers or tea baggers, they will be infiltrated with the sole purpose of divide and conquer. Not to say that I am against honest debate, but at least keep it healthy and constructive. Death to those who would destroy our lives and liberty! DEATH TO THE NWO!!

[Dok]

Which ones? Can you point me to the manuscripts you are referring to.

Sure here are some of the more famous ones. When i say famous ones thats what i mean, there are infact thousands.

Manuscript (MS) Contains: Date Eyewitness page ref. Notes
         
Magdalen Papyrus (P64) Matthew 26:7-8, 10, 14-15, 22-23 and 31. Before 66 A.D. 125 3
Dead Sea Scroll MSS 7Q5 Mark 6:52-53 Before 68 A.D.
"could be as early as A.D. 50" 46 4
Dead Sea Scroll MSS 7Q4 1 Timothy 3:16-4:3 Before 68 A.D. 140 5
Barcelona Papyrus (P67) Matthew 3:9, 15; Matthew 5:20-22, 25-28  Before 66 A.D. 68-71 6
Paris Papyrus (P4) Luke 3:23, 5:36 "not much later" than 66 A.D. 70 7
Pauline Codex (P46) Paul's Epistles (??) 85 A.D. 70-71   
Bodmer Papyrus (II) (Johannine Codex P66) Gospel of John, "near complete" 125 A.D. 71   
P32 ? 175 A.D. 71   
P45 ? 150 A.D. 71   
P77 ? 150 A.D. 71   
P87 ? 125 A.D. 71   
P90 ? 150 A.D. 71   
John Rylands Greek 457 (P52) John 18:31-33, 37-38 100-125 A.D. 115, 126, 138 8
Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 2683 (P77) Matthew 23:30-39 150 A.D. 126   
P. Oxyrhynchus 2 (P1) Matthew 1:1-9, 12, 14-20 "not much later" than P4 (ca. 100 A.D.?) 126 9
P. Oxyrhynchus 3523 (P90) John 18:36-19:7 ca. 125-150 A.D.?

Here are some complete copies, the more famous ones.

Manuscript (MS)   Date Notes   
         
Chester Beatty Papyri   200 A.D. Much but not all of NT on papyrus.   
Codex Vaticanus   325-350 A.D. A codex is a book, as opposed to a papyrus scroll.   
Codex Sinaiticus   350 A.D.     
Codex Alexandrinus   400 A.D.     
Codex Ephraemi   400 A.D.   

We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions , giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today! (taken from McDowell's Evidence That demands a Verdict, vol.1, 1972 pgs.40-48; and Time, January 23, 1995, pg.57)

[jofortruth]

Theosophy.  The religion of the UN.

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gdpmanu/ryan-wh/wit-hp.htm

Wasn't Madame Blavatsky a luciferian?

The Theosophy Society was founded by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, a Russian of high social rank.

[trailhound]

No. I was raised a Christian. It's been quite some time since I gave up the belief. I was riding the fence for a while. It was hard to get past the programming though. I mean, shit, if I'm wrong, I'm going to hell for the rest of eternity! But as the evidence took me further and further away, I finally broke the chain and freed myself. Truth is an evolution though. Anyone claiming to know THE TRUTH is full of shit. Especially anyone on a message board. But take someone like Jordan Maxwell for instance. FORTY EIGHT YEARS of research. He's been researching longer than many of us have been alive!! And these kids think they know more than these guys? Icke, Tsaron, Maxwell, over 100 years of combined research! I think it's worth listening to what they say.

I guess it's the Greek upbringing. We are very respectful of older peoples wisdom and knowledge. It doesn't mean we have to agree with them 100%. But the simple fact that they've dedicated their LIVES to this research warrants much more respect than these disrespectful kids give them. I write it off as a bad upbringing and bad parenting. DOK for example. His parents must be very proud for the way he speaks to people. No debating skills, no intellect, hell, he can't even form a coherent sentence like I wrote before. He just screams and points finger, calls people names and acts like a five year old. When we don't understand something as children, we ridicule it. As adults, we are supposed to try to better understand it.

  How was being christian preventing you from being free?   I dont understand...I never felt christianity had me in some type of bondage..

   I respect and listen to elders, but if they are full of shit...a spade is a spade i dont care how old it is. Also you seem to insinuate everyone on this board is a kid when there are elders on this board twice your age.  I hope you will correct me, but i got the impression you saying Maxwell and Tsarion know more than Prison Planet Forum or anybody on it.  

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Yawn...your right the New Age is going to be fantastic.

I'm just too negative to see it.

[matrixcutter]

What does disinfo have to do with truth?

Don't pretend you don't understand the point I am making.  We can agree or disagree, but there's no point in bullshitting me.

I think you are a little confused.

No you don't.

And as for the rest of your comments, I think you should go back and try to understand what I wrote.

Now you're just being childish.

You're not making any sense.

If you're just going to continue with this pretence then I'll leave you to it.
Just know that you reveal a lot about the way you think by what you say and how you say it.

[Dok]

Yawn...your right the New Age is going to be fantastic.

I'm just too negative to see it.

Nothing like a good ole Luciferic Initiation. 

[Xill]

Do you want to know what I think? Probably not, but I'l say it anyway.

I think the people who came up with that project need to read more books. Compared to the mass of stupid slaves it may seem half-intelligent, but compared to the writing of the great writers, artists and philosophers, their simplistic solution is pretty much equivalent to the image of the piece of pie someone posted earlier, in other words, retarded ... There are better solutions and projects out there.

[trailhound]

Man of Peace -Dylan and the Dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JEXsCT0PY

Look out your window, baby, there's a scene you'd like to catch,
The band is playing "Dixie," a man got his hand outstretched.
Could be the Fuhrer
Could be the local priest.
You know sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

He got a sweet gift of gab, he got a harmonious tongue,
He knows every song of love that ever has been sung.
Good intentions can be evil,
Both hands can be full of grease.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, first he's in the background, then he's in the front,
Both eyes are looking like they're on a rabbit hunt.
Nobody can see through him,
No, not even the Chief of Police.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, he catch you when you're hoping for a glimpse of the sun,
Catch you when your troubles feel like they weigh a ton.
He could be standing next to you,
The person that you'd notice least.
I hear that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, he can be fascinating, he can be dull,
He can ride down Niagara Falls in the barrels of your skull.
I can smell something cooking,
I can tell there's going to be a feast.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

He's a great humanitarian, he's a great philanthropist,
He knows just where to touch you, honey, and how you like to be kissed.
He'll put both his arms around you,
You can feel the tender touch of the beast.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Well, the howling wolf will howl tonight, the king snake will crawl,
Trees that've stood for a thousand years suddenly will fall.
Wanna get married? Do it now,
Tomorrow all activity will cease.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.

Somewhere Mama's weeping for her blue-eyed boy,
She's holding them little white shoes and that little broken toy
And he's following a star,
The same one them three men followed from the East.
I hear that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vUrLa65CPI&feature=related

[trailhound]

First question: I'm on a spiritual journey, beyond the five sense reality. It's my journey, I'm not asking anyone to follow so I don't know why people feel the need to. I'm nobodies leader, I don't want to be and I've stated many times over the leader is staring you in the mirror every single day. It's similar to the Obama phenomenon though. He said "Change" and everyone applied their own definition of "change". I start a radio show and people apply their own definition of what a radio show should be run like. I have Jack Blood on the show the day after him and AJ get into it and people think somehow I am obligated to address the issue. I'm not, I won't and I didn't.

A lot of people expect me to be a clone of Alex on the radio. I'm not anyone. I'm not Alex, I'm not Jack, I'm not David, I'm not Michael, I'm not Jordan. I am Chris Geo. Who is Chris Geo? Well. I'm still trying to figure that out. But trying to emulate anyone isn't going to help me answer that question! Example: Ever heard my music? Do I sound like anyone you've ever heard before? Do you feel I'm trying to emulate any other artist out there in the way I deliver my vocals, write my beats or anything like that? Absolutely not! This is me. Take it or leave it.

 Sorry you probably tired of questions now.  Not trying to badger you, but I dont understand what any of that has to do with the scriptures I dont understand the disconnect... regarding 5 sense world, the book is all about overcoming the flesh isnt it? Were Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo chained to a 5 sense reality when they went in the furnace? Christ on the cross? Daniel in the lion's den?  Again , sorry if im prying , we dont have to have this conversation, you have piqued my curiosity though.

[matrixcutter]

I understand the point you're making Matrix Cutter but I believe you are far more intelligent than to not understand the point I'm making when I say I'll follow the truth "no matter where the evidence leads me". So on that note, I felt your comments were simply twisting my words around to make it sound as though I was inferring something that I'm not.

This philosophy of following the truth no matter where the evidence leads you is fine, as long as either everything you're following really is the truth, or you are at least aware of the possibility of being manipulated.  But that clearly isn't the case.

Some of what you're following is disinformation, New Age crap and Luciferianism, and you're defending it by regurgitating David Icke sound bites and talking about how brilliant people like Jordan Maxwell must be to have been in the game for 48 years (according to Jordan Maxwell.)

If only you could see yourself.

You're actually saying that you're willing to label anything at all as truth as long as it's delivered by the right person.  But you don't seem to understand that that's what you're doing.  And you definitely don't seem to understand the implications of that sort of approach.

I hope you can drop the pretence and really think about it, because it's very important in terms of what you are doing and what you are (presumably) trying to achieve.

[EvadingGrid]

Take a look and make your own mind up.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2D1942C0FE40E201

[matrixcutter]

How am I supposed to take a comment like "are you going to invite Bush or Obama on your show" when I just got done saying I'd only invite people I respect? That's absurd.

As I said, explicitly, you can respect anyone if you look at them from a certain perspective.

Your argument was basically that as long as you respect someone you will have them on and they can say whatever they want.  The obvious logical extension is to see where you draw the line, and to see why you draw the line there.

So where do you draw the line, and why?

So if you want to have a healthy conversation and debate, I'll be more than happy to entertain you and perhaps learn from each other.

That could work, if you're serious.

But if you are going to say ridiculous things like that... well.... who's the one being childish?

It wasn't a ridiculous thing to say.

You're having Jordan Maxwell on.  And you're having David Icke on.
These people are not who you seem to think they are.

[EvadingGrid]

see above

All I'm trying to persuade is to ask Jordan some of the more interesting questions. If they are baseless claims then Jordan Maxwell would no doubt relish the chance to answer, or he will give a bad answer.

I'm suggesting you give Jordan Maxwell a mixture of questions, some friendly, some more difficult but important. I can not predict the answers, but it would not do any harm to field some of the more difficult questions.

Thats all.

[EvadingGrid]

What do you have in mind?

Take a look back on the thread and see what questions your audience wants to ask Jordan Maxwell. Not a witchhunt, but see if you can find some tasty awkward questions to slip in to the interview. Just try and reflect the audience, a mixture of pro and against.

[trailhound]

Not at all. I LOVE talking about this kind of stuff. This is why during our last show on Consciousness we had Mike Knarr join us who is a Christian. I wanted to keep the conversation balanced with well rounded ideas. But you've asked a VERY large question that would take years to properly answer.

I don't want to sound like I'm attacking Christianity although I'm sure I've come off like that thus far. The fact is Christianity is the predominant religion in the Western World and I was raised as a church going Christian. So it's the religion I focus on although I believe ALL are flawed. Yet there is truth in EVERY religion. I don't discount the bible one bit. I simply believe it's been perverted from it's true meaning and the bulk of it was derived from ancient stories and religions- simply re-told for a new era. That being said...

I find it very difficult to believe that the truth to spirituality is in one single book and offered to people so readily. Truth, wisdom, understanding and enlightenment is something that has to be earned. You don't get a great body by eating fast food. You get a great body by working your ass off at the gym. It's the pain staking work that brings the reward. One could argue that living a clean Christian life is the pain staking work but I think that's the 20 minutes on the treadmill before the work out. There is MUCH more to that before one can achieve truth. Which raises the question. How can only one be right and the rest completely wrong? If I were born/raised in the middle east, I would be Muslim. In Tibet, I'd be Buddhist, in India, I'd be Hindu. So I'm supposed to believe the place I was born plays a huge role in determining whether I go to hell or not if I stick to my beliefs from birth?

I've found too many connections to old religions, religions we know were prison religions i.e. control religions dating back not only to Egypt but to Sumer and Babylon. But these are all coincidences? And the fact that a lot of the stories are found in these prison religions doesn't strike anyone as odd? The more I look, the more connections to these ancient religions I find and the more I realize, it's all one big fraud, perpetrated to keep people under control. And I don't want to be a part of any of the fraud.

There is one HUGE factor that I have to consider and that is religion has been forced down my throat from birth, it's been forced through the barrel of a gun or tip of a sword all through out history but in order to reach the place I am now I had GIVE UP everything I once thought was truth and SEEK OUT the information for myself. Against a GREAT deal of opposition I might add. Apparently somebody doesn't want this knowledge in the hands of people like you and I because it is SO suppressed it's been twisted into something EVIL.

Example: The word occult. Occult means hidden. The hidden knowledge. Not the satanic evil demonic knowledge. The "hidden" knowledge. But it all goes back to YOUR intent. What do you intend to do with this knowledge? Control people and squander it selfishly to keep an upper hand? Or put the information out there. Do you hear me screaming at people, calling them liars etc. etc. when someone presents me with a bible verse? Of course not. What about when someone presents me with something they don't agree with? Nope. But that seems to be what the opposition does. Whether intentional or unintentional, throwing something in someones face and yelling "THIS IS THE TRUTH" may fool some but it's actually doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you hope to accomplish with people. Unless you hope to accomplish keeping people from the truth.

  You make alot of good points.

  No doubt religion has been used as a tool as you describe. However; the scriptures warn about just that and not to be fooled by false prophets and devils.  I will just wish you well on your journey but will caution that there are deceptive spirits, be watchful.  

  Have you studied  Aleister Crowley some? Very interesting body of work. For now here's a poem

  http://www.luminist.org/archives/lxv.htm

[Dok]

The problem with Chris White (I'm assuming that's who's video that is) is he spends ALL of his time debunking anyone who is not a Christian. He comes from a very bias point of view. He may bring up some good point and I stress the word MAY but he doesn't back anything up. He just says "this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong" but doesn't back anything up with any facts. Which is fine, people need to do their own research. But if you are out there saying "this guy is wrong" you should back EVERY WORD YOU SAY with fact. Also, Chris White plays a lot of word games in his videos. For instance :

"Jordan Maxwell blames all of today's problems on Judaism" at a point where Jordan Maxwell is talking about Judeism. That's like saying Alex blames everything on Obama when he's talking about Obama but ignoring the entire New World Order.

In the same video he says "Madam Blavatskys writings were said to influence Hitler and therefore the Nazi regime". So he's going on hearsay! No research. I noticed this several times in the deflunking of Michael Tsarion where he says "I heard that XXXX is YYYY not ZZZZ". Well Chris. You heard huh? And you base your case on "I heard". Wonderful! That's a serious accusation. Base it with facts. And which writings? And didn't the bible influence the KKK?? Or the crusades or the inquisition? So if that's the case, then either Blavatskys work AND the Bible can be twisted and manipulated by the reader OR not. So which is it Chris? Do you see what these kind of statements lead to in "debunking" videos? If they CAN be manipulated, then you can't blame it on anything but the readers. If they can't, then ALL doctrines are evil including the Bible.

I must note: I've said (in this thread as a matter of fact) "It's a common believe that______". Many people do. But the difference is when  people do that they are not calling someone out. One common believe is just as good at another so I wouldn't call it a "debunking". It's just a pissing contest at that point.

And one more problem. When you spend SO much time focusing on "debunking" anyone who doesn't agree with you, when do you have time to actually research the truth? And why would you spend so much time? Trying to make a name for yourself by attacking a well known name? Hidden agenda? What gives? I'm researching and fighting the New World Order. Not people who speak out against it!

He backs up every thing he says.

[trailhound]

Yea. I think Crowley came after Theosophy was hijacked and turned upside down. He was a freaking nutcase if you ask me. Very high in the ranks of MI5 and had a VERY powerful understand of the occult. Unfortunately, occult knowledge is only as good as the person who posses it. It's really a double edged sword.

 Can you back any of that up? Not saying I agree or disagree..

[Dok]

DOK. This is the reason I think we keep bumping heads. I don't know if you're doing it intentionally or not but pointing the finger back and forth, closing your ears and insisting you are right doesn't cut it with me (and I hope doesn't cut it with the majority of people here). Yes he does... how? I gave you two examples. Can you please elaborate on how he backs up the statements he made? Otherwise, we can just sit here all night and tell each other, yes he does, no he doesn't, yes he does and so on and so forth.

His films are chock full of facts. Way more than Jordan, who says what stuff is with NO facts what so ever. Chris explains away everything that is wrong with these people. Uhm if Hitler was inspired by Blavatsky then it would be safe to assume that his regime through him was also influenced by it. and he wasnt the only student of Theosophy in the Nazi regime. It seems you only want to hear what you want to hear, IE coming from a biased point of view.

[TheCaliKid]

[chrisfromchi]

zeitgeist is a collation of jordan maxwell , money masters and alex jones movies....then he tried to make it a foundation or something right? i think there is a new one coming too...that will be his falling.

chriswhite i don't trust him at all. various reasons but mostly his methods

tsarion: He is like a researcher that has a niche and a nice name and presentation and i enjoy his work a lot as it helps to wake up people to all this but...

destruction of atlantis: brilliant little movie from tsarion with an irish history twist to it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094#

but with a subtraction of stichen, maxwell and stargates work has exact same plot as

Legend of Atlantis 5 part movie which is all erik van dannikan.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7380611327825391213#

and i prove my point.

[trailhound]

    Mankind is obviously divided into god-informed men and lower human creatures. The intellectual difference between the Aryan and other civilized nations and such savages as the South Sea Islanders, is inexplicable on any other grounds. No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The “sacred spark” is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe, now happily — owing to the wise adjustment of nature which ever works in that direction — fast dying out. Verily mankind is “of one blood,”  but not of the same essence. We are the hot-house, artificially quickened plants in nature, having in us a spark, which in them is latent.
    (Source: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-23.htm )

 _Blavatsky

[trailhound]

Well, you're asking me to prove a negative here which is impossible. The only thing I can suggest is you read what Blavatsky wrote and compare it to the deeds of Crowley, Hitler, and even the Theosophy of the UN. Theosophy actually predates Blavatsky so she isn't even the final word on it. Plus, I recently discovered this wise woman was demonized by the world, much like Mary Madelene who was made out to be a WHORE!  If I'm missing something, please by all means, show me what I'm missing. But creating strawmen to combat the facts (not you) is just going to urge me to dig even deeper because it seems irrefutable from a factual standpoint.

Mankind is obviously divided into god-informed men and lower human creatures. The intellectual difference between the Aryan and other civilized nations and such savages as the South Sea Islanders, is inexplicable on any other grounds. No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The “sacred spark” is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe, now happily — owing to the wise adjustment of nature which ever works in that direction — fast dying out. Verily mankind is “of one blood,”  but not of the same essence. We are the hot-house, artificially quickened plants in nature, having in us a spark, which in them is latent.
    (Source: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-23.htm )

 _Blavatsky

[trailhound]

We really need to do a show on this. This is a lot of info to be typing.

Well, at first glance by someone who takes things for face value this could be twisted out of context. However, let's examine what exactly Blavatsky was talking about, keeping in mind the era she had written the work. I know DOK would love to use this to form a connection between Hitler and Blavatsky but if you really dissect the meaning, I think you'll find that argument falls apart.

What is the first damning word she uses? Aryan. That would easily be connected with the Aryan race. But what IS the Aryan race?


Ar·y·an
   /ˈɛəriən, ˈɛəryən, ˈær-/ Show Spelled[air-ee-uhn, air-yuhn, ar-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
Ethnology. a member or descendant of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European.
2.
(in Nazi doctrine) a non-Jewish Caucasian, esp. of Nordic stock.
3.
(formerly) Indo-European.
4.
(formerly) Indo-Iranian.
–adjective
5.
of or pertaining to an Aryan or the Aryans.
6.
(formerly) Indo-European.
7.
(formerly) Indo-Iranian.


Looking at the definitions we have to immediately rule out the Nazi perversion of the word because the definition didn't mean Non-Jewish Caucasian until decades later. The first definition wasn't coined until 1890-1900. So the only definitions left are Indo-European and Indo-Iranian. As you know, these two civilizations were the more evolved, spiritually and culturally. I don't think it's a statement about race as it is about evolution. Cultures remaining stagnant while other evolve. She also mentions Semites.


1.
a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
2.
a Jew.
3.
a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.

Unfortunately it is difficult to determine which definition she was actually speaking of. However this time, historical deduction is much more difficult. But since we are dissecting words, let's look at Turanian


Tu·ra·ni·an
 
 /tʊˈreɪniən, tyʊ-/ Show Spelled[too-rey-nee-uhn, tyoo-] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
belonging or pertaining to a group of Asian peoples or languages comprising nearly all of those that are neither Indo-European nor Semitic.
2.
Ural-Altaic.
–noun
3.
a member of any of the peoples speaking a Turanian, esp. a Ural-Altaic, language.
4.
a member of any of the Ural-Altaic peoples








She also mentions that the spark of God is latent. Latent being the key word here. Not absent. Latent.



–adjective
1.
present but not visible, apparent, or actualized; existing as potential: latent ability.


So she is stating that this spark is in all of us but not APPARENT in some. It is still there though. In ALL of us. We are all equal. Let me ask you this though. How is this different than what Christians believe? Would they not look at a cannibalistic tribe and say they are in touch with the spirit of God? Or ones who commit child sacrifices, rape/kill outsiders and live as animals? Ones who cannot be reached no matter how you present the knowledge? Take for instance the missionaries who are raped/killed by the native tribes. Would they appear to be using the spark of God? Or animal instincts??

My personal thoughts is her writings were coming from an understanding of the Atlantean and Lumarians races. But that's an entirely different story on it's own. You can find the same type of "racism" in every religious doctrine such as the Jews/Gentiles. Take this for example: The Jews are "God's chosen people". The gentiles are inferior and we are ALL "gentiles". Unfortunately EVERY dogma has remnants of this thinking which I don't agree with at all.

With all of this being said, if we were to let one passage totally effects our views on ANYTHING, then every dogma, story, etc. etc. would be evil. I can point to much more hateful words written by Christian authors, Islamic authors, Jewish authors and forum posters!!! hehehe.

So while I don't agree with the philosophy, it's not nearly as threatening as it sounds.


Your thoughts??

 What she means by god-informed men is men who are in contact with 'higher intelligences'. I have no doubt these intelligences exist; however, can not vouch for the nature of their intent. Some are definitely deceptive.  This was Crowleys work, for better or worse, he wanted to communicate with higher intelligence.
 
  Blavatsky talking spiritual evolution not genetic, ok...but do you think the shamans of south america are less evolved than the english?  Do you think the Leni Lenape indians ceased to exist because they were less evolved? Or how about the natives killed off in eugenics programs in Canada by the church? Were they 'phased out' for being less spiritually evolved? Who are these cannibal bushmen? Do they even exist?   

[trailhound]

trailhound wrote

  Blavatsky talking spiritual evolution not genetic, ok...but do you think the shamans of south america are less evolved than the english?  Do you think the Leni Lenape indians ceased to exist because they were less evolved? Or how about the natives killed off in eugenics programs in Canada by the church? Were they 'phased out' for being less spiritually evolved? Who are these cannibal bushmen? Do they even exist?

 Hmm...these bushmen remind me of al queda

[N.E.P.]

Here's another one:

"You did an interview with agent of disinformation Zacharia Sitchin, on video.  Firstly, why on earth would you do that?  And secondly, why did you greet him with a masonic handshake at the beginning of that interview?"

 

[Pierce2378]

well glad to see I stirred up some conversation around here.  I dont think I have ever created a topic that got 82 replies.  I feel so proud of myself.

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The Secret Doctrine, the Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy


The New Age Religion is Quantum Physics...what else is currently "synthesizing" science, religion and philosophy?

Get a clue, they want you to believe that nothing is real and that there is only one consciousness so that you won't complain when they start killing people.  After all, according to Eastern Philosophy and Quantum Physics you are only killing holographic facsimiles of the one consciousness...not living individuals.  Manifestations not people.

Ever wonder why Shiva is dancing outside CERN headquarters?  Because "Order out of Chaos" is a tenant of Quantum Physics. 

Whatever...you'll come to these conclusions on your own some day.

[Dok]

I noticed you used the word IF so I'm glad you agree with what I said about Chris White using word games and opinions to refute the claims of Jordan Maxwell. Humor me though. What part of Blavatsky's work inspired Hitler?? I'm all ears. Maybe you can change my point of view?? Please, by all means... enlighten me.

http://www.letusreason.org/Nam%2037.htm
http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame-blavatsky-theosophical-society.html
http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/thenewage.html

[matrixcutter]

Take a look and make your own mind up.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2D1942C0FE40E201

I watched a bit of this last night, and Maxwell says that he laid in the King's sarcophagus (in the Great Pyramid) and was blessed in a ritual by a chemite priest.  Part 1 - 5 minutes and 20 seconds in.

This is definitely something that he should be asked about, because laying in the sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid is some sort of high-level initiation ritual, (with obvious masonic connections.)  Alexander the Great did it, Napoleon did it, Aleister Crowley did it, and Art Bell did it.  And I think Benjamin Franklin did it if I remember correctly. And Jordan Maxwell says he did it too.

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Jordan Maxwell & Zecharia Sitchin - Masonic Handshake (27s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp9IEw9ruuk

Correction, it's at the end of the interview with agent of disinformation Zecharia Sitchin.

Then there's this:

Jordan Maxwell - NOT from EARTH - He saw DINOSAURS TOO !!! (3mins 6s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZobYOPA4GHE

You really would have to bend over backwards to pretend not to understand what's going on here.

Wherever the evidence takes you, unless you don't like where it takes you?

[Dok]

Another great Jordan Documentary

Jordan Maxwell - Water of Grace, Water of Life
41:14 - 1 year ago
Documentary discussing the research and claims of so-called 'Godfather of Secret Societies' Jordan Maxwell aka Russell Pine

Full movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4003224483217703613&ei=IayLS4rENYveqwLStZHCBw&q=MAXWELL+WATER+OF+LIFE&hl=en#

[Dok]

http://www.letusreason.org/Nam%2037.htm
http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame-blavatsky-theosophical-society.html
http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/thenewage.html

forgot to add some books.

Appendix E - The New Age Proper
Appendix E - The New Age Proper Background The following lengthy discussion is but a brief overview of a very large and well-documented body of information that attempts to explain the entirety of man’s knowledge in occult terms. The founder, Madame Blavatsky has well over 2500 pages in two of her major works.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14595418/Appendix-E-The-New-Age-Proper

Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow:
The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, by Constance Cumbey, was published in 1982. It became an instant bestseller in conservative evangelical and fundamentalist Protestant circles, and became controversial in those same social groups, for its assertion that the New Age movement was set to infiltrate modern culture. In fact, these days, Cumbey is something of a persona non grata in those circles; they closed ranks on her because they refused to believe her assertions that the New Age movement was, in fact, a vast conspiracy of networks, designed to get all of us to blindly, unthinkingly accept a one-world government and religion.

Much of what she said has come to pass, in some ways. Our definition of tolerance, for example, has changed. We have gone from defining that term as "I have to barely put up with something, but I don't have to like it" to "I must accept everyone as my equal, even if they live the most squalid life imaginable; in other words, there is no such thing as an unacceptable belief system or set of actions, except those associated with fundamentalist religions."


The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, by Constance Cumbey, was published in 1982. It became an instant bestseller in conservative evangelical and fundamentalist Protestant circles, and became controversial in those same social groups, for its assertion that the New Age movement was set to infiltrate modern culture. In fact, these days, Cumbey is something of a persona non grata in those circles; they closed ranks on her because they refused to believe her assertions that the New Age movement was, in fact, a vast conspiracy of networks, designed to get all of us to blindly, unthinkingly accept a one-world government and religion.

Much of what she said has come to pass, in some ways. Our definition of tolerance, for example, has changed. We have gone from defining that term as "I have to barely put up with something, but I don't have to like it" to "I must accept everyone as my equal, even if they live the most squalid life imaginable; in other words, there is no such thing as an unacceptable belief system or set of actions, except those associated with fundamentalist religions."
 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14595118/Hidden-Dangers-of-the-Rainbow

Reich of the Black Sun - Nazi Secret Weapons & the Cold War Allied Legend

Goes into the Theosophical beliefs of the Nazis. A great read.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/468538/Farrell-Reich-of-the-Black-Sun-Nazi-Secret-Weapons-the-Cold-War-Allied-Legend

Invisible Eagle, The History of Nazi Occultism

Another great book on the Nazis and their beliefs.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6444584/Invisible-Eagle-The-History-of-Nazi-Occultism

[EvadingGrid]

I noticed you used the word IF so I'm glad you agree with what I said about Chris White using word games and opinions to refute the claims of Jordan Maxwell. Humor me though. What part of Blavatsky's work inspired Hitler?? I'm all ears. Maybe you can change my point of view?? Please, by all means... enlighten me.

There is a good example that you spotted.

Jordan Maxwell plays word games that simply do not pass critical thinking, irrespective of ones philosophical take on reality life the universe and everything.

May I suggest that you carefully craft a neutral phrased question, and leave it up to Jordan Maxwell to explain.