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How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« on: December 05, 2016, 10:39:04 PM »
If there's such a thing as the "alt-right," then is there also such a thing as the "alt-left"?

Take Dennis Kucinich and Hillary Clinton, for instance. Both Democrats, both "left" of center. No fundamental difference between the two, right?

Before answering that question, consider a few facts.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the Iraq war; Hillary Clinton voted for it.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the "Patriot" Act; Hillary Clinton voted for it.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the Homeland "Security" Act; Hillary Clinton voted for it.

Dennis Kucinich strongly supports eliminating the power of private banks to create our entire money supply as an interest-bearing debt to themselves; Hillary Clinton strongly opposes eliminating this power.

And so on and so forth.

Is it reasonable to conclude that lumping Kucinich and Hillary into the same political category merely because both happen to be members of the same political party is as nonsensical as lumping both Ron Paul and George W. Bush into the same political category merely because they happen to be members of the same political party?

If so, then is it equally reasonable to conclude that Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Kerry et al. should be categorized as the alt-left?

If so, then how, specifically, would you define the alt-left so as to properly distinguish it from the more traditional leftism (or, if you prefer, liberalism) of which Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney are obvious exemplars?

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2016, 11:32:27 PM »
How do you define the ALT-LEFT? NWO

How do you define the ALT-RIGHT? NWO


These are beach balls the NWO created for you to play and tear yourselves apart with.

Free your mind from them and the matrix they represent.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2016, 11:42:36 PM »
Allow me to rephrase the question.

How do you define the alt-left -- not in terms of another label -- but in terms of specific policy positions?

If someone asks, "Why are Hillary Clinton and Dennis Kucinich on opposites sides of issues X, Y and Z," and you respond -- "Because NWO!" -- do you honesty expect him or her to know what you're talking about?

That's like asking a Hillary supporter, "Why did over sixty million people vote for Trump?", only to hear him say in response: "Because racism, that's why!"

Labels, labels, labels. I'm sick of it.

If there's anything people need to free their minds from, it's label-oriented thinking.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2016, 11:55:23 PM »
Allow me to rephrase the question.

How do you define the alt-left -- not in terms of another label -- but in terms of specific policy positions?



Your question is illogical because the term 'alt-right' 'IS A LABEL created' (recently I might add) by the social engineers through their corporate media.

So, to engage the mind in such thought, falls into the very trap the controllers want you to fall into.

Logically, and from the heart as well, 'WE' should be asking one another what is our 'common ground', OUTSIDE of the right / left paradigm.  That would be the CORRECT first step because, it would be outside the 'playground' the controllers have over us. and THAT one act in mass, would really have them shaking in their boots.

It would mean they have lost about the only thing that seems to be working rather well for them at the moment.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2016, 12:07:57 AM »
Calling my question illogical won't make the media stop using the term "alt-right," will it?

Of course not.

They'll continue using that term ad nauseam regardless of how illogical you think they are for doing so.

Like it or not, the term is here to stay.

So my argument is: why don't infowarriors beat them at their own game by referring to them as the "alt-left"?
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 12:19:37 AM »
Search for "ctrl-left politics". It's catching on.

This could be what you're looking for. Solid definition seems to be in progress ATM.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2016, 01:23:04 AM »
So my argument is: why don't infowarriors beat them at their own game by referring to them as the "alt-left"?
For the same reason no one is beating the unelected globalist dictators at their own game by using their terms like "climate change (man made)", instead of talking about what it actually is, and that's cybernetics.  Notice you've never heard cybernetics mentioned on the news?  That's because they don't want you to realize that that's their real, actual agenda.  By confoundng the masses with euphemisms, they are neutralizing the people's opposition without anyone realizing they're being neutralized.

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2016, 03:35:19 AM »
Other side of story.

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2016, 10:48:52 AM »
Calling my question illogical won't make the media stop using the term "alt-right," will it?

Of course not.

They'll continue using that term ad nauseam regardless of how illogical you think they are for doing so.



Maybe it would, if people stopped feeding into THEIR right / left paradigm playground.
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Re: How will the NWO manipulators define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2016, 11:43:23 AM »
I took Geolib's question to mean how will the NWO define Alt-left. If we consider that Alt-right is their lumping of anyone speaking out in support of Donald Trump (clearly, they are trying to corral all people into one area, specifically to pit them against anyone with an opposing viewpoint)... then we can anticipate they will create a corral for people coming from the liberal position. They may do that to anyone who follows a "Counter Left Operative" -- the supporters of this person might be termed "Alt-left"...

... I am now going to make my next NOT SO HARD prediction 4 to 8 years in advance, that a 'Counter Left Operative' will step forward in either 2020 or 2024.

Since the NWO has freshly created the term 'alt-right' (as a result of Trump's victory) they of course would like me to write something along the predictable lines that.. "an 'alt-left' candidate will step forward".  Well, after having been around those NWO types, I'm just not that stupid to fall for that nonsense.

The way the NWO boys like to work on the population is through a means I like to call 'operation / counter operation' ONE OPERATION.  Since the Trump 'selection' is the operation, the anti-trump operation is the counter operation.  Easy stuff with one exception that people overlook.  The NWO 'counter operation to Trump is one and the same operation as the Trump operation.  I look at the two operations working together creating a ping-pong effect that keeps everyone in a controlled box.

So how will they corral Alt-left (keeping our eyes, predictions of the future possible corral)... how will they be defined?
At least that's what I think Geo may be talking about, if not (apologies to Geo) - then I'm interested in how they might do this...
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2016, 01:25:48 PM »
I took Geolib's question to mean how will the NWO define Alt-left.

I asked not how the NWO would define the alt-left, but how "you" -- meaning the Prison Planet Forum member reading this thread -- would define it

Why that is such a difficult question to answer is beyond me, but it's clear at this point that I wasted my time asking it.

Oh well, I tried.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2016, 02:11:17 PM »
this is a toughie...why?, because I don't really know what the frakk alt-right is supposed to mean.

I guess I'll define alt-right as being darned near ne0-nazi or somesuch...

of course, that is a very negative statement, now isn't it?

that being said, I'll define alt-left as being pretty much communist and Hitlery and so many of the other democrats fall nicely into that definition from my viewpoint. 

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2016, 02:14:44 PM »
If I had to define alt-right as leaning toward libertarian, then alt-left would tend to go the same way. There was a clear split between the few psychos running the DNC and the “bernie bros”. Clinton's lack of turnout at her rallies was telling me that the public wasn't backing her. It was the govcorp/globalists.

Lord Monckton saw a different paradigm which I feel is more accurate. Essentially, it was communist/socialist vs libertarian. Control freaks vs live and let live people. People that can't leave anybody else alone vs people that just want to be left alone. This is seen in both Europe and the US. He saw Brexit as an equivalent to the Trump election.

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2016, 02:18:37 PM »
Listening to Alex's show as I type this, and just before going to break, he asked his guest to consider the question of how best to deprogram "leftists."

Alex himself routinely uses the terms "left" and "leftist," so whether anyone reading this likes it or not, that term is already part of the everyday vocabulary of the independent media/liberty movement.

The refusal to properly define political labels is why "progressives" like Ralph Nader get lumped in the same category as mass-murdering "communists" like Mao Tse-Tung.

The corporate media do the same thing with their indiscriminate use of emotionally-charged terms such as "racist" and "conspiracy theorist."

The ridiculously imprecise use of political labels is what makes rational discussion of issues impossible in this country, and it needs to stop.

So I'm calling on those who obsessively use terms ending in "ist" or "ism" whenever expressing disagreement with others to walk their talk when it comes to being intellectually free from "false paradigms."

Hopefully that clarifies what compelled me to create this thread.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2016, 05:13:26 PM »
The ridiculously imprecise use of political labels is what makes rational discussion of issues impossible in this country, and it needs to stop.
Yup, I'm often correcting people who say "fascist" or "communist" when they mean "authoritarian".   I read far too much knee jerk responses here and in comments on InfoWars that are mostly only good for eye yoga.  ;D

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2016, 05:21:06 PM »
If there's such a thing as the "alt-right," then is there also such a thing as the "alt-left"?

Take Dennis Kucinich and Hillary Clinton, for instance. Both Democrats, both "left" of center. No fundamental difference between the two, right?

Before answering that question, consider a few facts.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the Iraq war; Hillary Clinton voted for it.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the "Patriot" Act; Hillary Clinton voted for it.

Dennis Kucinich voted against the Homeland "Security" Act; Hillary Clinton voted for it.

Dennis Kucinich strongly supports eliminating the power of private banks to create our entire money supply as an interest-bearing debt to themselves; Hillary Clinton strongly opposes eliminating this power.

And so on and so forth.

Is it reasonable to conclude that lumping Kucinich and Hillary into the same political category merely because both happen to be members of the same political party is as nonsensical as lumping both Ron Paul and George W. Bush into the same political category merely because they happen to be members of the same political party?

If so, then is it equally reasonable to conclude that Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Kerry et al. should be categorized as the alt-left?

If so, then how, specifically, would you define the alt-left so as to properly distinguish it from the more traditional leftism (or, if you prefer, liberalism) of which Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney are obvious exemplars?
Hi Geo, D. Kucinich was cutting a truth swarth untill he took that plane ride :
White House reacts to Kucinich – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/.../white-house-reacts-to-kucinich/ -
17 mar d2010 - Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, that he'll support the health care reform bill even ... During the flight, White House aides say the president made the case for ... I guess it only takes a plane ride for Kucinich to sell his soul to the devil!
Dennis was not sold out........

Back On topic, alt left, alt right, before I could label a person or lump a group in one of these catagory's Id have to listen carefully to their logic, philosophy, actions..Good question Geo, off hand I'd be in the middle, that's from what I have seen from the faces using these terms. Yuh, I get it and understand the labeling, but once in a while it is self defeating.

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 05:41:38 PM »
Listening to Alex's show as I type this, and just before going to break, he asked his guest to consider the question of how best to deprogram "leftists."

Alex himself routinely uses the terms "left" and "leftist," so whether anyone reading this likes it or not, that term is already part of the everyday vocabulary of the independent media/liberty movement.

The refusal to properly define political labels is why "progressives" like Ralph Nader get lumped in the same category as mass-murdering "communists" like Mao Tse-Tung.

The corporate media do the same thing with their indiscriminate use of emotionally-charged terms such as "racist" and "conspiracy theorist."

The ridiculously imprecise use of political labels is what makes rational discussion of issues impossible in this country, and it needs to stop.

So I'm calling on those who obsessively use terms ending in "ist" or "ism" whenever expressing disagreement with others to walk their talk when it comes to being intellectually free from "false paradigms."

Hopefully that clarifies what compelled me to create this thread.

I've found that "individualist" and "collectivist" are good words when describing political extremes.  Democrats are more collectivist, conservatives are more individualist, and so on.

Charlton Heston is a good example of how confusing the labeling thing can be.  He's remembered by many as some kind of over-the-top conservative for saying they could take his gun from his cold, dead hand.  But if he was such a conservative, then why did he march in the civil rights marches in the south during the 60's?

Heston was a believer in liberty.  Liberty for blacks in the 60's, liberty for his gun-loving self later in life.  He was a "liberal" in the 60's and a "libertarian" later.  Both labels have "liberty" as their root.  Heston believed in individual liberty.  He was an individualist.

EDIT: Here's a test you can take to gauge your "Political Compass."  I took it years ago and was somewhere around Gandhi.  Might take it again, now that I've relocated it:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

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"Left...left...left...left...left..." -- but I'm not "right"
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2016, 05:10:08 AM »
I've heard countless people over the years proudly proclaim that they're intellectually free of the "left-right paradigm" and that they are therefore "neither left nor right."

Yet most of those same people routinely (if not obsessively) use the term "left" in a pejorative sense when discussing political issues.

The term "left" is, of course, meaningless unless there's something for the thing being described to be left of.

Yet that something is rarely (if ever) defined -- a continuous act of omission that leaves me wondering if many of those who claim they're neither left nor right can define the term "right" without describing their very own belief system in the process, and without revealing, consequently, that they do in fact think and operate within the confines of the very paradigm they insist they're outside of and not enslaved to.

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Re: "Left...left...left...left...left..." -- but I'm not "right"
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2016, 02:09:27 PM »
I'd like to thank Stefan Molyneux for going out of his way over the past hour to prove (via his broken-record use of the term "left") the point I made in my previous post.
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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2017, 02:34:40 PM »
The alt-left in a nutshell?

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2017, 03:32:13 PM »
The "alt left" is not liberal.  They are liberal wannabees.  They know little or nothing about politics and just believe it is chic and trendy to call themselves "liberals" and associate with limousine liberal causes.

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Re: How do you define the ALT-LEFT?
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2017, 11:22:07 PM »
 I'm` not blowing smoke up you backsides, I feel honored to be on this post, why- you folks seek the truth, know the history of the scones, FF`s pulled off, the skulduggery and intent. YES WDC is a sewer,( no offense to sewers, they have a function.) & sewers are needed, a portion of our polls and their controllers are traitors to not only to this nation but to our people.
Many  Polls had it waxed, power, money, control, the ability to BS the masses, to run the meat around with very sincere practiced lies and planning, to be protected, buddied up, the dirt on them used strategically in order to keep them in line, to obey.
  Trillions have been used, of our tax money and 20 T debt to ensure they will control, not to mention the lakes of blood they have left in their wake to accomplish their goal.
  I dislike lumped classification as if it designates groups -individuals in general. A few appear to be loose cannons and sure they are, but the controllers know it and use it.
  Alg left indicates war mongering, bigoted, egomaniacs.. there are more rational to these guys.