WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA

Author Topic: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA  (Read 3919 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« on: November 20, 2016, 08:24:03 AM »



Former General to Trump:
Change U.S. Direction on North Korea

By admin -  November 17, 2016

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden wrote a long essay this week directed at incoming President Donald Trump, warning that it might be unwise to continue Barack Obama’s “strategic patience” gambit as it pertains to North Korea.

“Let’s start with a basic truth: Despite our best efforts to stop North Korea’s nuclear program, an effort spread over three American presidencies, North Korea will likely be able to reach the Pacific Northwest with a nuclear-armed missile within a few years,” wrote Hayden. “Let me be clear. By the end of Donald Trump’s first term, we could be facing an isolated, pathological little gangster state able to obliterate Seattle.”

Hayden lamented that virtually everything short of armed conflict had already been tried.

“We’ve had four-party talks, six-party talks, the Agreed Framework,” Hayden wrote. “We’ve tried international isolation, U.S. sanctions, U.N. sanctions, Chinese pressure, even ‘strategic patience.’ Some political scientist is going to make a killing writing a book comparing and contrasting all these approaches.”

Quote
If Trump can do what three presidents before him have failed to do – i.e. eliminate the nuclear threat of Pyongyang – he will cement a legacy of lasting peace that history will not soon forget.

http://www.conservativefreepress.com/trump-administration/former-general-trump-change-u-s-direction-north-korea/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Online Al Bundy

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,240
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 02:21:53 PM »



Former General to Trump:
Change U.S. Direction on North Korea

By admin -  November 17, 2016

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden wrote a long essay this week directed at incoming President Donald Trump, warning that it might be unwise to continue Barack Obama’s “strategic patience” gambit as it pertains to North Korea.

“Let’s start with a basic truth: Despite our best efforts to stop North Korea’s nuclear program, an effort spread over three American presidencies, North Korea will likely be able to reach the Pacific Northwest with a nuclear-armed missile within a few years,” wrote Hayden. “Let me be clear. By the end of Donald Trump’s first term, we could be facing an isolated, pathological little gangster state able to obliterate Seattle.”

Hayden lamented that virtually everything short of armed conflict had already been tried.

“We’ve had four-party talks, six-party talks, the Agreed Framework,” Hayden wrote. “We’ve tried international isolation, U.S. sanctions, U.N. sanctions, Chinese pressure, even ‘strategic patience.’ Some political scientist is going to make a killing writing a book comparing and contrasting all these approaches.”

http://www.conservativefreepress.com/trump-administration/former-general-trump-change-u-s-direction-north-korea/

North Korea is not independent State.

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 04:36:42 PM »
North Korea is not independent State.

...are you referring to China?
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2017, 01:32:59 PM »

KCNA via AFP/Getty Images

North Korean Defector Tells
Lester Holt ‘World Should be Ready’

LESTER HOLT and ALEXANDER SMITH

SEOUL, South Korea — A senior North Korean defector has told
NBC News that the country's "desperate" dictator is prepared
to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies.


Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime.

According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is "desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM." He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles — a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S.

Quote
"Once he sees that there is any kind of sign of a tank or an imminent threat from America, then he would use his nuclear weapons with ICBM," he added in an exclusive interview on Sunday.

Thae was living in London and serving as North Korea's deputy ambassador to the United Kingdom when he and his family defected to South Korea and were announced to the world in August.

... "Kim Jong Un is a person who did not even hesitate to kill his uncle and a few weeks ago, even his half-brother," Thae said. "So, he is a man who can do anything to remove [anyone in] his way."

√ CONTINUE w/VIDEO: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-defector-tells-lester-holt-world-should-be-ready-n741901
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 08:16:18 AM »
... over the last 9 days of Prison Planet Forum
down-time things have really
gone nuts on the Korean Peninsula:



DrudgeReport

Fri Apr 14, 2017
Vice President Pence heads to Seoul
as North Korea tensions flare

Roberta Rampton

U.S. Vice President Mike Pence will travel to South Korea on Sunday in what his aides said was a sign of the U.S. commitment to its ally in the face of rising tensions over North Korea's nuclear program.

Pence's Seoul stop kicks off a long-planned 10-day trip to Asia - his first as vice president - and comes amid concerns that Pyongyang could soon conduct its sixth nuclear test.

President Donald Trump has warned against further provocations, sending an aircraft carrier group to the region as a show of force. His officials have been assessing tougher economic sanctions as well as military options to curb North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

Pence plans to celebrate Easter with U.S. and Korean troops on Sunday before talks on Monday with acting President Hwang Kyo-ahn.

"We're going to consult with the Republic of Korea on North Korea's efforts to advance its ballistic missile and its nuclear program," a White House foreign policy adviser told reporters, previewing Pence's trip.

Quote
"Withdrawing from the TPP shouldn't be seen as a retreat from the region.
 On the contrary, our economic presence in the region is enduring."

√ CONTINUE: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pence-asia-idUSKBN17G08X
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 10:20:09 AM »
"The Guidelines for Japan-U.S. Defense Cooperation
that were revised in April 2015 stipulate the formulation
and updating of a joint operation plan."


Japan readying for N. Korea emergency
 Hiroyuki Ishida / Yomiuri Shimbun

The United States has deployed the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson to waters near the Korean Peninsula amid rising military tensions over North Korea. The Japanese government, which has asked the United States to provide advance consultation if it decides to launch military action against North Korea, has ramped up preparations for unexpected situations.

The Japanese government anticipates the possibility of a joint response with the United States should a contingency arise.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe stressed on Wednesday that the region is becoming increasingly tense. “[U.S. President Donald Trump] has stated that all options are on the table. It’s a fact tensions are rising,” he said at the Prime Minister’s Office after receiving a written proposal calling for tougher sanctions on North Korea from the Liberal Democratic Party’s Eriko Yamatani, chief of the headquarters for the abduction issue.

“If an unexpected situation occurs, we’ll ask the United States to cooperate in rescuing the abduction victims,” Abe added.

Quote
The government must also figure out how to cope with the huge number of refugees expected to descend on Japan from the Korean Peninsula. They would need to be temporarily accommodated, but it also is possible that North Korean agents would slip into Japan with the intention of striking nuclear power plants, heavily populated areas and other targets.

√ CONTINUE: http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0003638430
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 12:48:43 PM »
Report:
Trump Admin Preparing to Strike
North Korea if Nuclear Test Occurs

BEN KEW - 13 Apr 2017

An NBC News report citing “military sources” claims Donald Trump and senior military officials are prepared to launch a preemptive conventional strike against North Korea if the country carries out another nuclear weapons test.


REUTERS/Damir Sagolj

Military sources told NBC News that the U.S. has positioned two Tomahawk missiles in the Korean peninsula approximately 300 miles from where North Korea will carry out its next nuclear test.

The preparations come amid rising tensions in the region, with North Korea this week promising a “big event” as the country prepares to celebrate the “Day of the Sun,” the birthday of communist dictator and “eternal leader” Kim Il-sung.

Analysts believe that the country is “primed and ready” to carry out a nuclear test based on satellite images but that they would not be capable of enacting a full-scale nuclear attack.

"... Seal Team 6, the Navy Seal squad who assassinated Osama bin-Laden,
were simulating drills in which they would take out the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un."


http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/04/13/report-trump-admin-preparing-strike-north-korea-nuclear-test/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 08:29:01 AM »
"... a terrible game of dare is unfolding between the
Supreme Leader and America’s new President."


He knows he can't win but it would be an unimaginable
humiliation for him to back down: In a deadly game of
dare, Kim Jong-un will take the suicide option

Mark Almond For The Daily Mail
PUBLISHED: 18:31 EDT, 14 April 2017

As millions of North Koreans celebrate the Day of the Sun today, marking the birth of their cruel dynasty’s founding dictator, Kim Il-sung, his grandson’s nuclear ambitions have put the nation’s fate on a knife-edge and threatens peace throughout East Asia.

The chubby young tyrant, Kim Jong-un, has enjoyed playing the unpredictable despot ever since he inherited power in 2011. Now he is playing with fire. This is a leader who would willingly take his small, poverty-stricken country to the brink of war with the world’s only superpower.

Quote
He knows he can’t win, but he also knows that a second Korean War will be a bloodbath because he has a vast arsenal – everything from primitive nuclear bombs, ballistic missiles and nerve gas to 150,000 cannon – with which he can hit South Korean cities and the US bases there.

Pyongyang is on notice that this administration is not afraid to use
force against its enemies – or align itself with former enemies
should the situation demand it.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4413342/In-deadly-game-dare-Kim-Jong-suicide.html
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline EvadingGrid

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 989
  • Truthers are not Trumpers
    • Trump Bot Free Zone
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2017, 09:01:16 AM »
“Hey, I’m a nationalist and a globalist”
-- Donald Trump

Article : "A Limited Hangout Operation ?"

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2017, 09:08:43 AM »
^^^

... so what?
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Geolibertarian

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,059
  • 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! www.911truth.org
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2017, 10:05:40 AM »
... so what?

The banker-owned "U.S." government has been going out of its way to menace North Korea with displays of military force for years, knowing full well this would eventually provoke its mentally unstable dictator into responding with saber-rattling of his own, which would then give the same neocons who brought us the Iraq war the excuse they needed to say (in effect): "See? North Korea is threatening us! We must preemptively strike them now, or else they might use their WMDs to kill millions of Americans!"

That's what.

South Korea is more than capable of defending itself. We have no business being over there in the first place.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/03/16/how-to-end-the-korean-war/

How To End the Korean War

You mean you didn’t know it never ended?

by Justin Raimondo
Antiwar.com
March 17, 2017

This question is always hard to answer because they don’t call it the Hermit Kingdom for nothing. Very little comes out of the notoriously reclusive – and repressive – Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, and not that much gets in. But occasionally there is a burst of activity that, like the eruption of a volcano, is hard to miss – the recent launching of four ballistic missiles being one of them.

The missiles landed in the Sea of Japan, about 190 miles off the Japanese coast, sending shockwaves throughout the region. Both Tokyo and Seoul protested, while the North Koreans characterized the action as a logical reaction to the perceived threat of imminent military action by the US and South Korea. Pyongyang’s fear is not unfounded.

The exercises, conducted jointly by US and South Korea and dubbed “Foal Eagle,” are a dress rehearsal for all-out war with the North. In addition to the USS Carl Vinson and a strike force of two guided missile destroyers and a cruiser, the US sent in a squadron of stealth fighter jets as well as B-52s and B-1Bs – these latter capable of carrying nuclear payloads. “Foal Eagle” is an annual exercise, but every year the amount of US firepower gets bigger – and in the context of rapidly rising tensions between Pyongyang and the rest of the world, this does nothing to ease the former’s well-known paranoia.

But it isn’t just paranoia that is motivating North Korean behavior: for the first time, there is open talk in US ruling circles of launching a preemptive strike against the regime of Kim Jong Un. As Time magazine puts it:

“Taking out North Korea’s two major nuclear sites with air strikes would be dangerous but probably not too difficult, U.S. officials say. The possibility of North Korean retaliation against Seoul, South Korea’s capital of 10 million and only 35 miles from North Korea, would be a complicating factor, they concede.”

Yes, the continued existence of 10 million South Koreas, not to mention the 30,000 or so American soldiers stationed on the peninsula, is indeed “a complicating factor.” That’s one way of putting it.

The reality is that Pyongyang has a crude but workable nuclear arsenal. This means that, in a sane world, military action is off the proverbial table. The problem is that we don’t live in such a world. And as crazy as Kim Jong Un may be, the talk of a preemptive strike proves the insanity is not limited to Pyongyang,

Right now, US policymakers must ask themselves two questions: how did we get here, and how do we get out?

We got here because the administration of George W. Bush quashed the beginnings of a political solution to the Korean conundrum.

Remember that the Korean War never officially ended: the fighting stopped when a truce was declared. A peace treaty was never signed: officially, we and our South Korean allies are still at war with Pyongyang. The demilitarized zone (DMZ) separating the two Koreas has been described as the most dangerous place in the world, and there have been a number of shooting incidents over the years, rising and falling as tensions between the two Koreas waxed and waned.

Yet there was a moment when the tensions were at a low point, and the possibility of a political solution was raised: this was the result of the so-called “Sunshine Policy” initiated by South Korean President Kim Dae Jung. The goal: reunification of the Koreas, a project both the North and the South have officially endorsed for many years. The Koreans are a fiercely nationalistic people, and the halving of the nation has been a painful affair. Then North Korean leader Kim Jong Il (Kim Jong Un’s father) agreed to meet the South Korean President at a three-day summit, at the end of which they signed a nonaggression pact and agreed to pursue the path of reunification.

This made sense from the North Korean perspective: the Communist state was strangling on its own repression, famine was sweeping the land, the economy was tanking, and people were literally eating the bark off the trees. The infusion of South Korean investment that followed the summit gave them a lifeline, and tens of thousands of South Koreans visited the North: factories were set up in the North that employed thousands of North Korean workers. Slowly but surely the Hermit Kingdom was letting down its defenses and opening up to the world.

And then came George W. Bush, who received the South Korean President in Washington in March of 2001 and promptly threw shade on the Sunshine policy. As the late Mary McGrory put it:

“Bush, as he was eager to demonstrate, was not a fan. Kim’s sin? He was instituting a sunshine policy with the North, ending a half-century of estrangement. Bush, who looked upon North Korea as the most potent argument for his obsession to build a national missile defense, saw Kim, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, as nothing but trouble. He sent him home humiliated and empty-handed.”

The North Koreans pulled back, and announced a military buildup. Bush upped the ante with his “axis of evil speech,” naming Pyongyang as one of the spokes on the wheel of wickedness. The North Koreans responded that this sounded to them like an outright “declaration of war,” a not unreasonable interpretation of Bush’s remarks.

Just to make sure he had crushed the last hope of a political solution, Bush visited South Korea in 2002, where he paid a visit to the DMZ:

“Standing atop a sandbag bunker and protected by bulletproof glass, US President George W. Bush peered through binoculars at North Korea on Wednesday and bluntly called it ‘evil.’

“… Among the things Bush could see were North Korean signs written in large, white Korean characters with slogans such as: ‘Anti-America’ and ‘Our General is the best"’ – a reference to North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

“Bush spent about 10 minutes atop the bunker and then he and Secretary of State Colin Powell sat down to a lunch of cold cuts, potato chips, fruit and cookies with about a dozen US soldiers who help man the post 24 hours a day.

“Asked what he thought when he looked out over the North, Bush said: ‘We’re ready.’”


Ready, that is, for war. So much for the Sunshine policy.

Yet the US and the North Koreans were still bound by an agreement, reached under the Clilnton administration, by which the latter would refrain from building nukes as long as shipments of oil and the lifting of sanctions was permitted. Yet this agreement – initiated by former President Jimmy Carter and signed by Pyongyang in 1994 – was nixed by Washington’s sudden announcement that the North Koreans had violated it, and that therefore the deal was off.

But did the North Koreans really violate the agreement? Selig Harrison, writing in Foreign Affairs, didn’t think so:

“Much has been written about the North Korean nuclear danger, but one crucial issue has been ignored: just how much credible evidence is there to back up Washington’s uranium accusation? Although it is now widely recognized that the Bush administration misrepresented and distorted the intelligence data it used to justify the invasion of Iraq, most observers have accepted at face value the assessments the administration has used to reverse the previously established US policy toward North Korea.

“But what if those assessments were exaggerated and blurred the important distinction between weapons-grade uranium enrichment (which would clearly violate the 1994 Agreed Framework) and lower levels of enrichment (which were technically forbidden by the 1994 accord but are permitted by the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT] and do not produce uranium suitable for nuclear weapons)?

“A review of the available evidence suggests that this is just what happened. Relying on sketchy data, the Bush administration presented a worst-case scenario as an incontrovertible truth and distorted its intelligence on North Korea (much as it did on Iraq), seriously exaggerating the danger that Pyongyang is secretly making uranium-based nuclear weapons. This failure to distinguish between civilian and military uranium-enrichment capabilities has greatly complicated what would, in any case, have been difficult negotiations to end all existing North Korean nuclear weapons programs and to prevent any future efforts through rigorous inspection.”


As Donald Trump said of Bush’s “evidence” for Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction”:  “They lied, they said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none and they knew that there were none.”

Here is another mess the neocon-dominated administration of George W. Bush has left us, which Trump is now supposed to clean up. But he can’t do it if he reenacts Bush’s belligerent bone-headedness. The author of The Art of the Deal has got to make a deal – or face the prospect of a nuclear catastrophe on the Korean peninsula and perhaps beyond.

Part of the deal-making process is understanding the psychology of those you are dealing with, and in the case of the North Koreans this is absolutely essential.

Since Bush torpedoed the Sunshine policy, the North has been on a downward spiral, not only economically but also in terms of the regime’s stability. The death of Kim Jong Il and the succession of Kim Jong Un to the role of supreme leader has not made for a smooth transition. Since the regime cannot provide for even the most basic material needs of its subjects, it must maintain legitimacy by other means, which boil down to 1) supporting a quasi-religious cult centered around the worship of the hereditary Supreme Leader, and 2) the invocation of a permanent threat from the West.

Fulfillment of the first part of this formula has gotten more difficult unto the third generation of the “royal family.” Kim Il Sung, who established the DPRK, won his legitimacy by beating the Japanese invaders and fighting off attempts by the South to dominate the North. He subsequently established the Communist dictatorship, eliminated all factional rivals, and even resisted both the Soviet Union and the Chinese when they tried to interfere in his nation’s internal affairs. His cult retained enough sway after his death to ensure that his son, Kim Jong Il, would succeed him unopposed, although there were some rumored purges. However, by the third generation, and under the pressure of an economic downturn – and even widespread famine – the semi-mystical theology of “Kimilsungism” has lost much of its mystique. The result has been signs of increased political instability and a ruthless crackdown on Kim Jong Un’s part.

Rumors of an attempted assassination, pitched gun battles between rival factions in the army, and signs of a Chinese plot to replace the increasingly nutty Kim Jong Un with his estranged half-brother, Kim Jong Nam, provoked a wave of violent purges. Top figures in the regime, such as Kim Jong Un’s uncle, have been killed: the uncle was reportedly shot with an antitank gun! Another high-ranking figure was purged and killed for having “bad posture.” And finally the half-brother was assassinated at the Kuala Lumpur airport when two women approached him and sprayed him with poison. Although Pyongyang denies doing it, no one doubts this was done under Kim Jong Un’s orders.

While the North Korean regime has a long history of conducting periodic purges against perceived internal enemies, high-ranking victims were rarely killed: instead they were either sent to the country’s ever-expanding network of prison camps or else exiled. The current wave of executions signals a new phase in the ungluing of the regime.

Besieged on every side by enemies both real and imagined, Kim Jong Un has one card left to play: the threat from the West. As long as he can present himself as the bulwark protecting the people from the “Yankee imperialists” and their “running dog lackeys” in the South, he retains his hold on legitimacy. The “Foal Eagle” exercises and rumblings of war emanating from Washington bolster his faltering regime.

Just as George W. Bush’s spiking of the Sunshine policy was motivated by the need to appease the neoconservative wing of the Republican party and thus retain legitimacy on the home front, so Kim Jong Un’s belligerence is dictated by the need to legitimize his dynastic succession to the throne of Pyongyang. North Korea’s foreign policy, like that of any other state’s, whether despotic or democratic, is determined by the political needs of the rulers at the time.

Once we begin to understand the implications of this universal principle, and apply it to the Korean conundrum, the outlines of a solution are visible.

To begin with, it’s time to face facts: there is no military solution to the problem posed by North Korea. Pyongyang is holding the entire peninsula hostage. War is unthinkable – although, unfortunately, far from impossible.

As dire as the situation may seem, it’s not too late to prevent a catastrophe: a political solution is still within reach. The recent impeachment of the South Korean President – the daughter of a former right-wing military dictator – means that her successor will be a liberal politician in the tradition of Kim Dae Jung. With the South Koreans ready to give the Sunshine policy another chance, and an American President famous for making deals, it’s entirely possible that a deal with the North can be struck.

However, this depends on the Trump administration having a) some knowledge of the intricacies – and particularly the history – of the two Koreas, and b) the imagination to reject the old Bush-neocon policy of confrontation.

[Continued...]
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2017, 10:18:02 AM »
^^^


... I am just saying that there is nothing
new and shocking about 'war games' as
described so contemptuously in the memes.
China is pushing for more appeasement/negotiations ...
we will see how it progresses. But DJT is a man
of action, for good or bad. The best possible
outcome would be a coup/assassination by
Kimmie's opposition ... but he has done such a good
job of murdering his adversaries, I see that as unlikely.

Jimmy Hughes - I'm A Man of Action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpUi96UVkYM
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2017, 12:27:12 PM »

TEL carrying ICBM or IRBM type missile I Credit: NK News

N.Korea showcases probable intercontinental
ballistic missiles at massive military parade

Photos suggest two ICBM variants may currently be under development
Dagyum Ji  April 15th, 2017

North Korea showcased what appears to be two new types of intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) at a major military parade in Pyongyang on Saturday, held to mark the 105th birthday anniversary of the late founder Kim Il Sung.

Two road-mobile transporter vehicles were spotted at the end of the missile display at the parade carrying projectiles similar in size to ICBMs seen in other countries, pictures taken by NK News at the scene showed on Saturday.

The emergence of the probable ICBMs, which appear not to have been flight-tested but could be in an advanced state of development, are significant: U.S. President Trump said in January that North Korea developing such capabilities “won’t happen”.

And amid growing tensions with Washington, high-ranking party official Choe Ryong Hae warned at the parade that Pyongyang was ready for war with the U.S. and was prepared for preemptive strikes if circumstances required.

Quote
Kim and LaFoy both said new types of surface-to-ship missile systems were also unveiled. “I think that the treaded vehicle that is in the blue, white camouflage paint is an anti-ship cruise missile system which would make it an anti-ship coastal battery,” LaFoy said.

√ MANY PIX HERE: https://www.nknews.org/2017/04/n-korea-showcases-probable-intercontinental-ballistic-missiles-at-massive-military-parade/?c=1492251728615&utm_content=buffer119bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

^^^ quote from NK defector from reply #3:

"Once he sees that there is any kind of sign of a tank or an imminent threat from America, then he would use his nuclear weapons with ICBM," he added in an exclusive interview on Sunday.
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline jofortruth

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17,726
    • The Great Deception
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2017, 12:51:08 PM »
This crap with N Korea has been going on a very long time. With every new President the Korean runt has to strut his stuff. This calls for a response to put the little bastard back in his place. He should not be allowed to have wmds and those who gave him what he has should be outed and dealt with (Clintons involved long ago, for ex)

As long as the neocons (who like to foment wars) are kept in their place also, the situation can be handled with the help of allies in the region.

Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

The Great Deception - Forum/Library - My Research
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showforum=110

Online Jacob Law

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,191
  • Its the Law, face it!
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2017, 09:47:29 PM »
The truth is North Korea nukes are fake, the whole thing has been a ruse, if the Truman hadn't interfered North Korea wouldn't have any power; the UN has allow this for over sixty years. I don't know what or how this can be resolved but the North Korean people need help and this could be dealt with quickly if Russia and China helped.
But the swamp is winning.
What do you under-stand?

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2017, 10:40:07 PM »
^^^^

Hey, Jacob Law ...  :D

In one of my posts above (NK NEWS.ORG) they wonder
out loud if (at least) the ICBMs are 'fake' or 'prototype'.
Here's a quote:

Quote
"But while the display of the missiles will have been intended to rattle Washington at an increasingly difficult time, it remains unclear yet whether or not the probable ICBMs were anything beyond prototypes.

When the articulated trucks went past me I noticed the nosecone of one of the missiles vibrating up and down quite noticeably as the vehicle passed over uneven surface on the road,” said NK News managing director Chad O’Carroll, who was at the scene in Pyongyang.

^^^ ... meaning that the 'missile' appeared to be just a lightweight shell.

Here's a list (wikipedia) of the known NK nuke tests:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_North_Korea


What's more concerning are their chemical weapons,
with which reportedly they could hit SK, JAPAN and
US installations in both countries.

Locked and Loaded: North Korea's Scary Chemical-Weapons Arsenal
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/locked-loaded-north-koreas-scary-chemical-weapons-arsenal-12487
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Online Jacob Law

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,191
  • Its the Law, face it!
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2017, 10:53:27 PM »
^^^^

Hey, Jacob Law ...  :D

In one of my posts above (NK NEWS.ORG) they wonder
out loud if (at least) the ICBMs are 'fake' or 'prototype'.
Here's a quote:

^^^ ... meaning that the 'missile' appeared to be just a lightweight shell.

Here's a list (wikipedia) of the known NK nuke tests:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_North_Korea


What's more concerning are their chemical weapons,
with which reportedly they could hit SK, JAPAN and
US installations in both countries.

Locked and Loaded: North Korea's Scary Chemical-Weapons Arsenal
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/locked-loaded-north-koreas-scary-chemical-weapons-arsenal-12487

Logically you are absolutely right; however this will eventually and finally be resolved much better than the worse expectations.

It seems everything is going as planned!!!!!
What do you under-stand?

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2017, 11:18:00 AM »

... Mr. Pence goes to Seoul:

"One of Kim's top officials, Choe Ryong Hae, vowed North Korea
would 'beat down enemies with the power of nuclear justice'."


Did the US cyber-hack North Korea's missile? Claims
military sabotaged the launch as Mike Pence and
family arrive in Seoul on Easter Sunday to condemn
the act as a 'provocation'

 * Vice President Mike Pence arrived in Seoul with his family for 10-day Asia tour
 * His arrival in South Korea came shortly after North attempted to fire a missile   
 * But the missile exploded roughly five seconds after being launched near Sinpo
 * According to military official the weapon is 'presumed to be a new ICBM'
 * Comes hours after North Korea unveiled 'game-changer' ballistic missiles
 * Former British foreign secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind said there is a'very strong belief' it failed due to 'US cyber methods'
     Regina F. Graham and Scott Campbell - 16 April 2017


√ Continue w/VIDEO: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4416214/Mike-Pence-arrives-Seoul-family-tow-Easter.html#ixzz4eQSHP9fH
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline egypt

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,465
  • Love: A Wish to bestow the fullness of Joyous Life
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2017, 02:44:56 PM »


What to do?

Well, war is out.  Yes, it is tempting to think oh let's just nuke the place and get rid of kim jung un.  The truth is, those who are hurt in war are the innocent citizens.  War ruins the people's ability to take care of themselves,  to get back on their feet and hinders progress for generations.

Then -- the madman -- because he has the means, gets away anyway, to do his dirty deeds another day.

love, e

Offline TahoeBlue

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17,347
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2017, 04:28:25 PM »
Another globalist Demoncat ... TRUMAN ,,,


http://www.history.com/topics/douglas-macarthur


https://www.quora.com/What-parts-of-China-did-MacArthur-want-to-atom-bomb-Did-the-US-public-know-or-support-this-plan

http://b-29s-over-korea.com/NorthKorea-A-Bomb/US-Planned-To-A-Bomb-N-Korea-In-1950-War_02.html
U.S. Planned To A-Bomb N. Korea In 1950 War
His plan was to drop between 30 and 50 atomic bombs-strung across the neck of Manchuria, and spread behind us, from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea- a belt of radioactive cobalt for at least 60 years there would be no invasion of Korea from the North. The Russians, he claimed, would be intimidated by this and do nothing.

[In fact the Cobalt bomb was only a thought experiment publicized earlier in 1950 by Leo Szilard to illustrate the danger of nuclear weapons, and was never designed and built but abundantly used in later fiction like On The Beach and Dr. Strangelove.]

On Nov. 5 1950, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued orders for the retaliatory atomic bombing of Manchurian military bases, if either their armies crossed into Korea or if PRC or KPA bombers attacked Korea from there.

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2017, 05:04:40 PM »

US 'SABOTAGED KIM'S MISSILE LAUNCH'
North Korea’s embarrassing missile launch failure
may have been caused by US cyber attack

Mark Hodge

Sir Malcolm Rifkind claims American intelligence has used cyber warfare to successfully foil missile tests before and that there is a “strong belief” that President Trump’s administration was behind North Korea’s latest failed launch.

Quote
By Richard Kemp, retired British Army Colonel I DON’T think this will amount to anything at all. North Korea knows it cannot possibly survive an attack by them against either the US or its allies.Its dictator would not last long, so I think there is no chance that they would initiate any serious military action.The Americans are not interested in conflict with them, so they will not initiate anything.I also believe the Chinese are interested in calming the situation down.

I think the actions of Trump in Syria and Afghanistan, if anything, make conflict with North Korea less likely.Both the strikes he ordered were legitimate and proportionate, and sent  a message around the world that you do not mess with America anymore.

They signalled that you may have been able to mess with America under Obama  — but you cannot do the same with Trump or you will suffer for it.That deterrent is far more likely to prevent a conflict than provoke it. So I would say don’t worry  — there will not be a conflict between the US and North Korea.



Kim’s missile range and the size of his armed forces

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3342396/north-korea-missile-launch-failure-us-cyber-attack-sabotage/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2017, 10:57:06 PM »
... is this just 'hair-on-fire' scare-mongering?

EMP Commissioner Dr. Peter Vincent Pry: "... we think that the
threat, the possibility of a super-EMP warhead is so great, the
United States should take them [North Korea’s satellites] down.”


NORTH KOREAN 'WEAPON' CALLED EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO U.S.
'The United States should take them down'
BOB UNRUH

WND has been reporting on the threat to America from EMP, the electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear explosion high in the sky, since early in the 2000s when former CIA chief James Wooley, former Defense Department staffer F. Michael Maloof and former Congressional EMP Commission member Dr. Peter Vincent Pry were sounding the alarm.



It was only weeks later that North Korea as a possible aggressor was brought into the conversation.

Nothing has gotten better since then, according to Pry, who agreed to an interview with WND on Friday, and in fact, it’s worse.

In fact, the sabre-rattling from North Korea dictator Kim Jong Un in recent days and weeks, the threats to destroy America, the warnings about “nuclear thunderbolts,” and more, should be taken very seriously, he suggested.

Quote
.... North Korea first launched one satellite, then a second, in oddly circuitous orbits that have them approach from the south of America, where there are no early warning systems, there are no interceptor missiles, or any defense. And the satellites, in fact, could actually contain a nuclear weapon ready to detonate."

“We ought not tolerate them orbiting,” he said, because nobody knows for sure what’s on the satellites, which are in that suspicious orbit which was identified years earlier as a possible route should the Soviet Union ever decide to mount an assault on the U.S., the south polar trajectory.


A report from just last year said North Korea’s satellites are fully capable of performing a surprise EMP attack at an altitude and trajectory that evade U.S. National Missile Defenses.


√ Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/north-korean-weapon-called-existential-threat-to-u-s/#M1yHu9eaJ1EHABPe.99
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2017, 11:06:10 PM »
^^^^^

quote JH:
"A report from just last year said North Korea’s satellites are fully capable of
performing a surprise EMP attack at an altitude and trajectory that evade
U.S. National Missile Defenses."


"... biggest existential threat that our civilization faces right now."

EMP ALERT:
2 N. KOREAN SATELLITES NOW ORBIT OVER U.S.

'The threat continues to race, hare-like, at an alarming rate'
Published: 04/24/2016

WASHINGTON – North Korea now has two satellites orbiting over the United States capable of performing a surprise electromagnetic pulse attack at an altitude and trajectory that evade U.S. National Missile Defenses, a national security expert warned in an interview with Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

Peter Vincent Pry told G2 Bulletin that the satellites can be commanded either to deorbit and hit a target on the ground or explode at a high altitude to create an EMP effect that would knock out the unprotected U.S. national electrical grid system and all life-sustaining critical infrastructures that depend on it.



Quote
The satellites – KMS 3-2 and KMS 4 – are orbiting at an altitude of 300 miles, with trajectories that put them daily over the U.S. KMS 3-2 was launched in December 2012 and KMS 4 was launched Feb. 7.

“The threat,” Pry said, “continues to race, hare-like, at an alarming rate,
compared to the tortoise pace of our preparations.”


√ Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/emp-alert-2-n-korean-satellites-now-orbit-over-u-s/#Vw9B30pKBBEzGkDO.99
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Online Jacob Law

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,191
  • Its the Law, face it!
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2017, 11:45:44 AM »
https://www.infowars.com/were-kim-jong-uns-missiles-fake/

WERE KIM JONG-UN’S MISSILES FAKE?
Critics claim 'wonky' rockets put on display ahead of failed test launch were not real weapons

What do you under-stand?

Online Jacob Law

  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,191
  • Its the Law, face it!
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2017, 11:48:20 AM »
Another globalist Demoncat ... TRUMAN ,,,


http://www.history.com/topics/douglas-macarthur


https://www.quora.com/What-parts-of-China-did-MacArthur-want-to-atom-bomb-Did-the-US-public-know-or-support-this-plan

http://b-29s-over-korea.com/NorthKorea-A-Bomb/US-Planned-To-A-Bomb-N-Korea-In-1950-War_02.html
U.S. Planned To A-Bomb N. Korea In 1950 War
His plan was to drop between 30 and 50 atomic bombs-strung across the neck of Manchuria, and spread behind us, from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea- a belt of radioactive cobalt for at least 60 years there would be no invasion of Korea from the North. The Russians, he claimed, would be intimidated by this and do nothing.

[In fact the Cobalt bomb was only a thought experiment publicized earlier in 1950 by Leo Szilard to illustrate the danger of nuclear weapons, and was never designed and built but abundantly used in later fiction like On The Beach and Dr. Strangelove.]

On Nov. 5 1950, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued orders for the retaliatory atomic bombing of Manchurian military bases, if either their armies crossed into Korea or if PRC or KPA bombers attacked Korea from there.



The Buck certainly did not there, Truman was a traitor and doomed millions to death and slavery.
What do you under-stand?

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2017, 01:49:52 PM »

... reports about the 'fake upturned' nosecone
has been explained:



"The weapon shown in the image above (at infowars.com) appears to be a Soviet S-200 surface-to-air missile, and if that is the case, the nose cone is intentionally curved. / Ukrainian soldiers walk past a S-200 “surface-to-air” missile at a base near Kiev, February 24. After the last Ukrainian nuclear warheads were sent to Russia in May 1996 under a nuclear weapons reduction agreement, there are only conventional weapons on duty in the Ukrainian army now." REUTERS/Stringer

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/17/dont-underestimate-north-koreas-missiles-because-of-a-bent-nose-cone/#ixzz4eWvojPGW

St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2017, 09:42:50 PM »
... more evidence that Kimmie's show of force
may very well have been mostly 'props':


Kim Will Kill Photographer After Spec
Forces Pic Captures Humiliating Details

BY BEN MARQUIS - APRIL 17, 2017



While the world watched North Korea celebrate the birthday of the founder of the rogue communist regime, many media outlets took notice of the unveiling of what are believed to be new medium-to-long-range missiles, but something else was also unveiled that gained far less notice.

The Yonhap News Agency reported on the appearance of a new special operations unit during the military parade, likely intended as a display of strength meant to dissuade President Donald Trump from taking any sort of military action against the nuclear-ambitious commies.

“Once Supreme Commander Kim Jong Un issues an order, they will charge with resolve to thrust a sword through the enemy’s heart like lightning over Mt. Paektu,” proclaimed the proud parade broadcast announcer while referencing the Korean peninsula’s tallest peak.

But while the few media outlets that took note of the unveiling, like the U.K. Daily Mail, keyed in on the at-first-glance fearsome appearance of the special operations unit, Conservative Tribune’s own in-house military experts — one of whom is a former special operations officer — noticed a few rather humiliating details that the supreme Shortround probably won’t be too happy about.

For starters, much of the equipment the “highly trained” soldiers was toting were outdated designs left over from the Soviet era, such as the dual-lens night-vision goggles that destroy depth perception or the North Korean-produced AK-74 knockoff rifles that have terrible ballistics and are inferior to just about anything U.S. troops are using.

On top of that, or should I say mounted underneath the rifles (tied on with paracord no less), are special tubular magazines produced by the North Koreans known as helical magazines, according to Ares Armament Research Services, (http://armamentresearch.com/north-korean-helical-ak-magazines/) which have been misidentified by many outlets as being grenade launchers.

The high-capacity magazines, originally produced solely for Kim’s personal contingent of bodyguards, are all but worthless in a real fight as they are extremely difficult to reload — particularly under the stress of combat — and are notorious for jamming repeatedly.

The next humiliating detail is the fact that the special operations soldiers appear to be equipped with chest-mounted holstered sidearms that appear to be more than 60 years old, most likely CZ 75 semi-automatic pistols produced in then-Soviet-dominated Czechoslovakia.

Those holstered pistols were attached to tactical vests in a copycat variation of the U.S. Army’s light-green digital-style camouflage, which don’t match the woodland camo-style uniforms the troops were wearing, which also didn’t match the apparently hastily spray-painted helmets, nor the hilariously misapplied Party City-style black and green face paint worn by the soldiers.

Add in some cheap knock-off Ray-Ban-type sunglasses — which will keep little more than sun out of their eyes and will utterly fail under the slightest ballistics test — to complete the would-be special operator look, and, voila, North Korea can proudly claim it is ready to oppose a decapitating strike against their leadership by the real special operators of the U.S. military, which has been steadily training for just such an opportunity and is truly equipped for such a task.

All told, for roughly $1,600, pretty much anybody can acquire virtually all of the same or similar equipment worn by these goose-stepping North Korean troops. In fact, it is a fairly safe bet that there are plenty of fat, lazy, out-of-shape American mall ninjas better equipped to actually engage in battle than those who were on display in the North Korean military parade.

As a final note, it was also pointed out that these high-stepping soldiers were all at times pointing their rifles at the heads of the men standing next to them, although given the aforementioned accuracy and jamming problems with the rifles and magazines, that probably wasn’t as big a safety issue as it would be for others.

Kim Jon Un most likely was looking to intimidate President Trump into leaving him alone to continue developing nuclear missiles, but he instead has only served to humiliate himself, his military and his isolated nation by parading around a purported special operations unit that could have been mostly outfitted online via eBay, Amazon and the Cheaper Than Dirt catalog.

http://conservativetribune.com/kim-spec-forces-pic-humiliating/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2017-04-17&utm_campaign=manualpost
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2017, 01:16:35 PM »
North Korea releases video of bombing the US 2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJzBm2_ionA

DON MESS WITH US North Korea threatens to ‘turn the US
to ashes with a super-mighty preemptive strike’ in latest war of words

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3370099/north-korea-threatens-us-preemptive-strike/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2017, 11:59:50 AM »
" ... a strike on the carrier would be an
'example to show our military force.'”


North Korea Threatens To Sink Trump’s ‘Armada’
RYAN PICKRELL - 04/23/2017

North Korea warned Sunday that it is prepared to sink
President Donald Trump’s “armada” if necessary.


A U.S. Navy carrier strike group led by the USS Carl Vinson is moving into waters off Korea. The strike group, which Trump previously called a “very powerful armada,” is taking part in joint drills with the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force in the Western Pacific.

The Vinson and the accompanying destroyers and cruisers are expected to move into position near Korea “within days,” Vice President Mike Pence said Saturday, without going into specifics.

Quote
“Our revolutionary forces are combat-ready to sink a U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier with a single strike,” the Rodong Sinmun, the newspaper of the ruling party, wrote Sunday, expressing the North’s perpetual defiance. Calling the Vinson a “gross animal,” the paper stated a strike on the carrier would be an “example to show our military force.”

√ Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/23/north-korea-threatens-to-sink-trumps-armada/#ixzz4f5YORRX3

√ THE STORY at REUTERS:
http://in.reuters.com/article/northkorea-usa-idINKBN17P03G
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2017, 07:11:33 AM »

Mon Apr 24, 2017 | 7:54pm EDT
Entire U.S. Senate to go to White
House for North Korea briefing


Top Trump administration officials will hold a rare briefing on Wednesday at the White House for the entire U.S. Senate on the situation in North Korea.

All 100 senators have been asked to the White House for the briefing by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said White House spokesman Sean Spicer on Monday.

While administration officials routinely travel to Capitol Hill to address members of Congress on foreign policy matters, it is unusual for the entire Senate to go to the White House, and for all four of those officials to be involved.

Wednesday's briefing was originally scheduled for a secure room at the Capitol, but President Donald Trump suggested a shift to the White House, congressional aides said.

... Aides said they were working with the White House to schedule a similar briefing for the House of Representatives.

√ CONTINUE: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-usa-senate-idUSKBN17Q1LR
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2017, 01:49:17 PM »
David Ignatius (WaPo):
‘Smartest Thing Trump Has Done’ Has Been
Teaming Up With China Against N. Korea

CHRISTIAN DATOC - 04/25/2017

The Washington Post’s David Ignatius told Chris Matthews Monday that the “smartest thing Trump has done the first 100 days of foreign policy” is working in tandem with China to put pressure on North Korea.

Ignatius stated he thinks “Trump is right to think that the time address the North Korean problem is now.”

“During the campaign, Trump was incendiary of his criticism of China,” he continued. “Really just red hot rhetoric.”

“He realized that when he became president that he will not be able to solve the North Korea problem, even address it, without having a relationship with [China’s President] Xi, and he set about doing that,” Ignatius explained. “China is now, to a surprising extent, working in tandem with the United States to deal with North Korea.”

√ Read w/VIDEO: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/25/david-ignatius-smartest-thing-trump-has-done-has-been-teaming-up-with-china-against-n-korea-video/#ixzz4fHhy4ZAp
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2017, 07:41:45 PM »
"With each provocation, North Korea jeopardizes stability in
Northeast Asia and poses a growing threat to our allies
and the U.S. homeland."


Senators Told North Korea Nuclear Threat Is Urgent
Rare White House session hears from Mattis, Tillerson, Coats, Dunford
Bill Gertz - April 26, 2017

The Senate took part in a rare White House briefing on Wednesday to hear what senior leaders described as "an urgent national security threat" posed by North Korea's nuclear and missile programs.

The hour-long secret session for all senators was held at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, next to the White House, and included a brief appearance from President Trump who made short, introductory remarks.

Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also took part in the session. His presence is an indication that military options for dealing with North Korea likely were discussed.

New steps by the administration will include the imposition of additional economic sanctions.

"The United States seeks stability and the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula. We remain open to negotiations towards that goal. However, we remain prepared to defend ourselves and our allies," Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and Director of Intelligence Dan Coats said in a joint statement after the briefing.

Trump's approach seeks to pressure North Korea into dismantling nuclear, ballistic missile, and proliferation programs through imposing tighter economic sanctions and diplomatic measures, the three leaders said.

The senior officials noted that past efforts to halt the North Korean illicit arms programs had failed.

Quote
The Air Force Strike Command also announced that a U.S. long-range nuclear missile was test fired from Vandenberg Air Force Base, California, on Wednesday. The command called the test of a Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile "an important demonstration of our nation's nuclear deterrent capability."

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/senators-told-north-korea-nuclear-threat-urgent/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline iamc2

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,822
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2017, 07:15:44 AM »
 What to do about The Pawn NK? well for decades nothing has been done! maybe Trump told his team yesterday that a Few Bombs may be heading towards NK!!!

 if China does nothing I believe the USA will...

"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2017, 08:38:51 PM »

Asked whether that meant military action, Trump said:
“You’ll soon find out.”


Donald Trump:
North Korea could still face military
action as Japan moves warship to protect US

APRIL 30, 2017

US President Donald Trump said he would not rule out the use of military force against
North Korea, as Japan sent its biggest warship since WWII to protect a US supply ship.


When asked at during a factory tour before his rally in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, to mark his 100th day in office what his message on North Korea is, Trump told reporters: “You’ll soon find out, won’t you?”
Asked whether that meant military action, Trump said: “You’ll soon find out.”

His comments came as Japan dispatched its biggest warship since World War II to protect a US supply ship, as tensions mount in the region over North Korea.

Quote
Japanese naval officials declined to comment on the reports. Earlier this week, the US carrier had joint drills with Japan’s naval forces. The Carl Vinson arrived in the Sea of Japan and kicked off a joint drill with the South Korean navy on Saturday, hours after North Korea launched a ballistic missile in apparent defiance of the US.

... The drill came hours after the North launched a ballistic missile in apparent defiance of a concerted US push for tougher international sanctions to curb Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons ambitions. The drill aimed to verify the allies’ capability to track and intercept enemy ballistic missiles, the spokesman said.

√ WITH VIDEO: http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/uss-carl-vinson-in-drill-with-south-korea-after-north-fired-missile/news-story/024fcdf1484b35c7fb2885b1aee74322
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2017, 07:04:26 AM »
Trump confers with Asia allies on
North Korea nuclear threat

Doina Chiacu and Jason Lange - April 30, 2017
Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday stepped up outreach to allies in Asia to secure their cooperation to pressure North Korea over its nuclear and missile programs.

Trump spoke to the prime ministers of Thailand and Singapore in separate phone calls about the North Korean threat and invited both of them to Washington, U.S. officials said.

"They discussed ways to maintain diplomatic and economic pressure on North Korea," one U.S. official said of the calls, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Trump's calls to the two Asian leaders came two days after North Korea test-launched another missile that Washington and Seoul said was unsuccessful but which drew widespread international condemnation.

Trump talked on Saturday night with Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, who was also invited to the White House. Duterte has been criticized by human rights groups for an anti-drug campaign in which more than 8,000 people have died.

A week ago, Trump spoke with the leaders of China and Japan on the North Korea issue.

Quote
It was unclear whether the consultations meant Washington was preparing imminent action against Pyongyang. The United States may just be lining up the largest coalition possible in the region to present a united front against North Korea, said professor Jens David Ohlin, an international law expert at Cornell Law School.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-talk-singapore-thailand-north-korea-nuclear-threat-141159905.html
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline TahoeBlue

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17,347
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2017, 08:18:52 PM »
wayback machine: 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/09/nuclear.northkorea

The two faces of Rumsfeld

2000: ABB director of a company which wins $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea
2002:  declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change

Randeep Ramesh

Friday 9 May 2003 03.48 EDT


Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.
 
Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200m (£125m) contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration.

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.
.
The reactor deal was part of President Bill Clinton's policy of persuading the North Korean regime to positively engage with the west...

...
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2017, 12:18:15 PM »
"Park Yeonmi, a North Korean defector, also told the story of watching
a public execution as a child, of the mother of one of her friends.
The woman had apparently been caught possessing a Hollywood film."




7 North Korean Realities That
Highlight the Madness of the Kim Regime

FRANCES MARTEL - 4 May 2017

The communist government of North Korea has long held a spot on the list of the world’s most repressive tyrannies, with human rights organizations regularly condemning the atrocities committed by the Kim family regime.


Secretive as dictator Kim Jong-un may be – as were his predecessors, his father and grandfather – a mixture of witness accounts and defector testimonies have exposed the harrowing details of life in North Korea. Below are listed seven of the strangest and most horrifying realities about how the Kim regime runs North Korea:

(EXCERPTS)

√ Christians Are Bulldozed to Death for Expressing Their Faith:

Before the rise of late “Eternal Leader” Kim Il-sung and the creation of Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), the region boasted one of the world’s most devout Christian populations. Pyongyang, the nation’s capital, earned the nickname “Jerusalem of the East” for its thriving Christian community. The Kim family itself was once Christian before Kim Il-sung abandoned the faith and forbade his people from practicing it.

Today, possessing a Bible is a high crime against the state and those who openly profess the faith face execution by gruesome means. A report published by the group Christian Solidarity Worldwide last year highlighted particularly atrocious executions of Christians: “Documented incidents against Christians include being hung on a cross over a fire, crushed under a steamroller, herded off bridges, and trampled underfoot. A policy of guilt by association applies, meaning that the relatives of Christians are also detained regardless of whether they share the Christian belief.”

Those Christians not killed for their faith are condemned to lifetimes in the nation’s notorious labor camps where they are tortured, raped, and used as slave labor. Estimates of the number of Christians in the country range from 200,000 to 400,000.

The regime targets Christians because loyalty to Jesus challenges the cult of personality surrounding the Kim family. According to Kenneth Bae, an American missionary who was arrested for proselytizing in the country, the nation’s museums have Bibles on display as enemy weapons. In his memoir, Bae writes that one prosecutor told him, “You say it is just prayer, but prayer is a hostile act because it calls into question everything our system is based upon.”

√ In Addition to Christians, the Disabled Are Put in Labor Camps:


Reports have consistently surfaced that the North Korean regime has little interest in respecting the human rights of individuals who are disabled, identifying them as being of little use to the country as soldiers or slaves. A 2012 United Nations report claimed that the Kim regime organized “special camps” for the disabled, where they are sent after being classified by type of disability and removed from society.

The country explicitly bars the mentally disabled from engaging with the general population, and those considered dwarfs are banned from having children. The UN described the treatment of the disabled as “merciless.”

Ji Seong-ho, a North Korean defector who lost two of his limbs in an accident, confirmed these reports in 2014. “The regime proclaims: ‘There are no people with disabilities under the Kims’ rule’ and ‘everyone is equal and living well,'” he told reporters. “And while that propaganda is going on disabled children are being taken away, suffering indescribable things and dying.”

√ Hundreds of Thousands of Political Prisoners Are Subject to Rape, Torture, and Starvation:
√ The Average North Korean Hospital Doesn’t Have Water:
√ North Koreans Are Born into a Strict Caste System:
√ Watching the Wrong Movie Could Get You Executed:
√ The North Korean Government Views Koreans as a Master Race:


http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/05/04/7-north-korean-realities-highlight-kim-regime-madness/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Offline iamc2

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,822
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2017, 01:06:26 PM »

 

 Looking at this photo: We see FAT BOY KIMMY and then his soldier's look like STICK MEN!

 FAT BOY is weighed in Pounds and his people are weighed in Ounces
... ;D
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."

Offline Jackson Holly

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,501
  • It's the TV, stupid!
    • JACKSON HOLLY'S OLD HOME PLACE
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2017, 07:49:54 AM »

“If you wanted to win a New Korean war,” added Pry, “one
of the things you would certainly consider doing is taking
out the United States homeland itself.”


EXCLUSIVE – Congressional Expert:
North Korea Prepping EMP Catastrophe Aimed At U.S. Homefront

AARON KLEIN - 8 May 2017

TEL AVIV – While the international community and news media focus on North Korean missile tests and the country’s nuclear program, one expert warned on Sunday that North Korea may be secretly assembling the capability to take out significant parts of the U.S. homeland via an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack.

Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and is the chief of staff of the Congressional EMP Commission.

Speaking on this reporter’s talk radio program, Pry pointed to two North Korean satellites that are currently orbiting the U.S. at trajectories he says are optimized for a surprised EMP attack. “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” is broadcast on terrestrial radio on New York’s AM 970 The Answer and NewsTalk 990 AM in Philadelphia and online.
(INTERVIEW at LINK)

Quote
“During the Cold War, the Russians had a secret weapon they called a fractional orbital bombardment system,” he explained. “And the idea was to do a surprise EMP attack against the United States by disguising a warhead as a satellite. Because a satellite trajectory is different from an ICBM trajectory that is aiming to go into a city. You know, for accuracy on an ICBM you launch it on a lower energy, 45-degree angle that follows a classic ballistic trajectory. Like a rifle. To land your missile on a city.”

Pry continued of the original Russian plan:

But if you put a satellite in orbit it follows a different trajectory. It doesn’t have accuracy but it puts the satellite up there so that it stays in permanent orbit so it looks different in terms of the trajectory. And guys watching their radar screens tend not to get alarmed when they see a missile being launched on that satellite trajectory. Because they assume it is for peaceful purposes. …

So, the idea was to put a nuclear weapon on a satellite. Launch it on a satellite trajectory toward the south so it is also flying away from the United States. Orbit it over the South Pole and come up on the other side of the earth so that it approaches us from the south.

Because we didn’t during the Cold War and even today we still don’t have ballistic missile early radar warnings looking south. We don’t have any national missile defenses to the south. We are blind and defenseless to the south. We can’t see anything coming from that direction. Then when this gets over the United States you light it off so that it does an EMP attack.

.... On April 30, South Korean officials told The Korea Times and YTN TV that North Korea’s test of a medium-range missile on April 29 was not a failure, as widely reported in the world press, because it was deliberately detonated at 72 kilometers altitude. 72 kilometers is the optimum burst height for a 10-Kt warhead making an EMP attack.

According to South Korean officials, “It’s believed the explosion was a test to develop a nuclear weapon different from existing ones.” Japan’s Tetsuro Kosaka writes in Nikkei, “Pyongyang could be saying, ‘We could launch an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack if things get really ugly.'”

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/05/08/exclusive-congressional-expert-north-korea-prepping-emp-warfare-aimed-u-s-homefront/
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

Online Al Bundy

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,240
Re: WHAT TO DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2017, 08:02:46 AM »
Let USA lift sanctions against Russia. Then Russian President Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping deal with North Korea.