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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #200 on: September 10, 2017, 04:16:08 PM »
During part of the four-year period, the money trail passed through an address in the 2200 block of Kentucky Ave. in Baltimore, where a friend of Majida Ibrahim Ahmad's, Vuthaina Chakrouf, forwarded the Saudi checks to San Diego.

Chakrouf, an American citizen who became friends with Majida Ibrahim Ahmad while a nursing student in their native Jordan, agreed to forward the checks to San Diego. She said she never opened the envelopes but put them into new envelopes addressed to her friend in California.

"She asked me if she could use my address. She needed someone to send the money there," Chakrouf recounted in a telephone interview. She said Majida Ibrahim Ahmad expressed fear that the Saudi government would stop the payments if officials knew she had moved to California. But Chakrouf didn't say why Majida Ibrahim Ahmad thought that. 


Chakrouf worked as a registered nurse in Maryland.
Apparently though this is merely coincidental to the supposed medical purpose of these payments.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #201 on: September 11, 2017, 11:04:55 AM »
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/saudi-government-accused-of-funding-dry-run-for-911-jihad-attacks
Saudi government accused of funding dry run for 9/11 jihad attacks

September 9, 2017 3:21 pm By Robert Spencer

It also seems to have been involved in the 9/11 jihad attacks themselves. The 28-page section of the 9/11 report detailing Saudi involvement in the September 11, 2001 jihad attacks has finally been released (albeit with substantial portions still redacted), and it is now clear why one President who held hands with the Saudi King and another who bowed to him worked so hard all these years to keep these pages secret: they confirm that the 9/11 jihad murderers received significant help from people at the highest levels of the Saudi government.

The report states that Omar al-Bayoumi, who “may be a Saudi intelligence officer,” gave “substantial assistance to hijackers Khalid al-Mindhar and Nawaf al-Hamzi after they arrived in San Diego in February 2000. Al-Bayoumi met the hijackers at a public place shortly after his meeting with an individual at the Saudi consulate.” Around the same time, al-Bayoumi “had extensive contact with Saudi Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a Saudi company affiliated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense.” That company “reportedly had ties to Usama bin Ladin and al-Qa’ida.”

Another possible Saudi agent, Osama Bassnan, who “has many ties to the Saudi government” and was also a supporter of Osama bin Laden, boasted that he did more for al-Mindhar and al-Hamzi than al-Bayoumi did. He also “reportedly received funding and possibly a fake passport from Saudi government officials.” The report says that at one point, “a member of the Saudi Royal Family provided Bassnan with a significant amount of cash,” and that “he and his wife have received financial support from the Saudi ambassador to the United States and his wife.” That ambassador was Prince Bandar, about whom the New York Times later noted: “No foreign diplomat has been closer or had more access to President Bush, his family and his administration than the magnetic and fabulously wealthy Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia.”

Then there was Shaykh al-Thumairy, “an accredited diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles and one of the ‘imams’ at the King Fahad mosque in Culver City, California,” who also “may have been in contact” with al-Mindhar and al-Hamzi.

Saleh al-Hussayen, “reportedly a Saudi Interior Ministry official, stayed at the same hotel in Herndon, Virginia where al-Hazmi was staying. While al-Hussayen claimed after September 11 not to know the hijackers, FBI agents believed he was being deceptive. He was able to depart the United States despite FBI efforts to locate and re-interview him.” Who got him out of the country?

There is much more. The report redacts the name of “another Saudi national with close ties to the Saudi Royal Family,” but notes that he “is the subject of FBI counterterrorism investigations and reportedly was checking security at the United States’ southwest border in 1999 and discussing the possibility of infiltrating individuals into the United States.” There is no telling who this could have been, but Prince Bandar’s unlisted phone number turned up in a phone book of Abu Zubaida, “a senior al-Qa’ida operative captured in Pakistan in March 2002.” Abu Zubaida also had the number of “a bodyguard at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC.”

The report also mentions a CIA memorandum that “discusses alleged financial connections between the September 11 hijackers, Saudi Government officials, and members of the Saudi Royal Family. This memorandum was passed on to an FBI investigator; yet “despite the clear national implications of the CIA memorandum, the FBI agent included the memorandum in an individual case file and did not forward it to FBI Headquarters.” Why?

There is still more, and with this much smoke, there is almost certainly fire: the Saudi connection to 9/11 goes to the highest levels of the Saudi government.

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“Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11,” by Paul Sperry, New York Post, September 9, 2017:
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During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.

“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.

“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.

But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi. Then, in November 2000, the FBI received reporting that Shalawi trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and had received explosives training to perform attacks on American targets. The bureau also suspected Qudhaeein was a Saudi intelligence agent, based on his frequent contact with Saudi officials.

More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.

The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.

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http://nypost.com/2017/09/09/saudi-government-allegedly-funded-a-dry-run-for-911/
Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11
By Paul Sperry
September 9, 2017

Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim that employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.

Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.

The court filing provides new details that paint “a pattern of both financial and operational support” for the 9/11 conspiracy from official Saudi sources, lawyers for the plaintiffs say. In fact, the Saudi government may have been involved in underwriting the attacks from the earliest stages — including testing cockpit security.

“We’ve long asserted that there were longstanding and close relationships between al Qaeda and the religious components of the Saudi government,” said Sean Carter, the lead attorney for the 9/11 plaintiffs. “This is further evidence of that.”
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Paul Sperry is a former Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.”
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2017, 04:05:14 PM »
But after the FBI discovered that a suspect in a counterterrorism investigation in Phoenix was driving Shalawi’s car, the bureau opened a counterterrorism case on Shalawi.

Zakaria Mustapha Soubra was driving the car. Soubra drove the two to the airport on the day they behaved weirdly.

Al-Muhjiroun identified itself as the eyes, ears and mouth of Osama bin Laden.

The intelligence indicated that the organization was setting up a chapter at ERAU’s Prescott campus.

Two young Middle Eastern men, Zakaria Mustapha Soubra and Ghassa al-Sharbi, were attending ERAU at the time.

The two students were printing Al-Muhjiroun propaganda and passing it out to other students on campus in an effort to get people to join the organization. They were rooming together in a motel on Highway 89.

In 2000, Kenneth Williams, later author of the Phoenix Memo, and his FBI colleagues were sent to interview Soubra and al-Sharbi.

As they entered the hotel room, Williams noticed there were several photos of known Jihad warriors (Mujahideen) on the walls. “It was almost like they had a little shrine set up to these guys, so we knew we were onto a true believer who believed in this radical ideology,” Williams said.

Williams and his colleagues asked about Al-Muhjiroun in the interview, but received little response.

One thing Soubra said, which Williams later testified to, was “I consider you, your country, and the FBI a legitimate military target of Islam,” Williams related.
https://www.dcourier.com/news/2016/nov/18/911s-phoenix-memo-fbi-agent-author-prescott-warnin/


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On July 10, 2001, an FBI agent in Phoenix wrote a memo raising serious concerns about Middle Eastern men attending U.S. flight schools.  The memo never made its way up the chain of command. The document still hasn’t been released, and yesterday it was the subject of a closed-door Senate Intelligence Committee session. Recently, I had the chance to read the memo – apparently the first journalist to have done so.

The memo was written by Phoenix FBI Special Agent Kenneth J. Williams, described as a member of “Squad 16,” and it was approved by a man named William A. Kurtz.  The title reads: “Zakaria Mustapha Soubra; IT-OTHER (Islamic Army of the Caucasus).”  The “synopsis” says: “Usama bin Laden and Al-Muhjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona.” 

Soubra, the memo said, was a student at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Ariz.  (According to the Los Angeles Times, he was questioned by FBI agents in 2000, after he was observed at a shooting range with another Muslim, who was a veteran of Islamic jihads in the Balkans and the Middle East.   No charges were brought against him, and he is currently a senior at Embry-Riddle.)  The organization named in the memo’s title, the Islamic Army of the Caucasus, is based in Chechnya and was at one time headed by a man named Amir Khattab, who, according to news reports, is suspected of having ties to Osama bin laden.

The Williams memo included the names of several Middle Eastern students, one identified as a “Saudi national,” who were apparently students at Embry-Riddle at the time.  One reason FBI officials have given for not releasing the memo is that several of these individuals are still under investigation.
http://fortune.com/2011/10/12/fbis-phoenix-memo-unmasked/


Al-Qudhaieen was an acquaintance of Zakaria Soubra, an Arizona student who was named in a pre-Sept. 11 FBI memo written by Kenneth Williams, a Phoenix FBI agent. The memo warned that Al-Qaeda could be training terrorist pilots in the United States.

Arrested on a visa violation, Soubra was deported to Lebanon in May after testifying to a federal grand jury in Virginia. Soubra, who was given immunity for his testimony, has never been charged.

In a recent phone interview from Beirut, Soubra said he was questioned about Al-Qudhaieen and added he did not have any connections to terrorists, did not know anything about the attacks and said the FBI had ruined his life.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/236811


Both Qudhaieen and al-Shalawi had PhDs from an "unaccredited university" in Tucson, Az. Associates of Qudhaieen knew hijacker Hani Hanour.

Al-Shalawi attempted to re-enter the United States in August of 2001.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #203 on: September 17, 2017, 05:42:57 PM »
Sami al-Arian and Khalid Sheikh Mohamed are both from Kuwait
Both are refugees from somewhere else
Al Arian and KSM both visited the USA
Al Arian's brother in law and KSM both attended the same University in the USA
Their years their overlap
Al Arian also attended university in the same state
Both Al Arian and KSM have been accused of masterminding terrorist organisations, PIJ and Al Qaeda respectively.
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"The FBI is aware of contact between the hijackers and a close friend of Bassnan’s, Khaled al-Kayed, a commercial airline pilot and certified flight instructor living in San Diego. Al-Kayed admitted to the FBI that in May 2000, al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi contacted him about learning to fly Boeing jet aircraft;"

This man worked at Sorbi's Flying Club as a flight instructor.

Sorbi's flying club was run by an Iranian man in San Diego named Fred Sorbi and visited by 911 hijackers. I have always been suspicious of this. There cannot be that many Iranian flight school owners in the US in the first place.

So it turns out one of the flight Instructors there was an Arabic man named Khaled al-Kayed and he was also friends with Osama Basnan, "an extremist and supporter of Osama bin Laden".

Sounds legit. Better not investigate any further.

A background check on his name produced a man linked to MEDITERRANEAN CAFE LOUNGE and MEDITERRANEAN CAFE GRILL. What were these.
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A background check on The Saudi Arabian Cultural Mission to the US at 8500 Hilltop Rd, Fairfax, VA 22031, shows addresses identified as linked to 9/11 are also linked to the Saudi Government.

https://www.myrelatives.com/address-lookup/va/fairfax/h/hilltop/8500

Seminary, Falls Church
6147 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church
and George Mason, Falls Church

are all obvious without much looking
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Is this person a relative of Abdusattar Shakih?  -  https://www.myrelatives.com/d/ZARINA-CHHIPA/135878002

You can see she uses the names Chhipa and there is a Shaikh as possible relative.
She is associated with Khalil A Khalil which if im not mistaken is the guy at King Fahd Mosque

Also there is the name Safiya.
Safia Shaikh, also on the list, is currently living in Culver City. According to published reports, she said she separated from her husband, Abdussattar, five years ago. Her husband still lives in Lemon Grove in San Diego County. I wasn’t able to reach Shaikh, but she told the Associated Press she didn’t know the hijackers.http://www.laweekly.com/content/printView/2133934
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https://www.scribd.com/document/20556903/MFR-NARA-T1A-Saudi-Arabia-Khalil-Khalil-a-2-24-04-01252

Khalil was one of 4 people at the Bin Laden Gulf War offer to Saudi Arabia meeting.

Did Shaikh know this man? Shaikh was respected in San Diego Muslim community.
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