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The "28 pages"

The declassified 28 pages from the report of the congressional Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11 can be read in their originally-released PDF format by clicking the image...

Below, we’ve posted a full transcription of the 28 pages as a service to anyone who finds this format easier to read or work with.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

The Joint Inquiry                    Ended Dec 2002

The 9-11 commission report    Ended July 2004

The Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 is the official name of the inquiry conducted by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence into the activities of the U.S. Intelligence Community in connection with the September 11, 2001 attacks. The investigation began in February 2002 and the final report was released in December 2002.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Inquiry_into_Intelligence_Community_Activities_before_and_after_the_Terrorist_Attacks_of_September_11,_2001

Hereafter referred to as "The Joint Inquiry" or JI:

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The "28 pages" are not from the 9-11 commission, they are from the JI. By November 27, 2002 The JI was nearly wrapping up and just days earlier news reports were describing Saudi Arabian involvement and unexplained CIA/FBI "blunders".

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States was established on November 27, 2002, by President George W. Bush and the United States Congress 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission

Hereafter referred to as The 9-11 commission:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/sept11/911Report.pdf

The "28 pages" are not from the 9-11 commission, they are from the JI. Just knowing that puts you ahead of most pundits and the General Public.

Since I was confidant of a bulk of the "28 pages" content, I knew the rebuttal to them would be "The 9-11 commission investigated The Saudis and cleared everything up." I had always assumed that was the main point of the 9-11 commission, along with explaining the U.S. "Intelligence failures", particularly of the CIA. Since the 28 pages from the JI have been hidden for nearly 14 years, I've had 12 years (9-11 commission released in July 2004)to examine whether "The Saudis were exonerated" and the "Intelligence failures" explained. "The Saudis" were not exonerated and the "Intelligence failures" were not explained. The intention of this thread is to be a follow up to the thread made before the release of the so called "28 pages" seen here....

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.0

The "star" of the 28 pages is Saudi Ambassador (at the time) Prince Bandar, aka Bandar Bush. His "co-stars" would be Osama Basnan, Fahad Al-Thumairy, and Omar Al-Bayoumi. U.S. "Intelligence failures", are still classified, along with other things that we are supposed to believe are not worth mentioning or were "looked into and cleared". That is BS.

THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 (public version released July 2003 -where the 28 pages were blacked out ):

Bandar mentioned 0 times.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Thumairy mentioned 0 times.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Omar al-Bayoumi mentioned 32 times
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Osama Bassnan mentioned 13 times
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Abu Zubaydah mentioned 2 times
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The "28 pages" (that was blacked out of the THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001)until finally released in July 2016

Bandar mentioned 18 times
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

Thumairy mentioned 5 times
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

So every time Bandar and Thumairy were mentioned in THE JOINT INQUIRY INTO THE TERRORIST ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 -it was censored out.

In July of 2003 when the JI was released to the public Bush explained why these pages were removed from their public report....

July 30, 2003
Bush Won't Reveal Saudi 9/11 Info

The Saudis have complained that they cannot respond to a report they cannot see. But Bush made plain he has no intention of declassifying the material.


"I absolutely have no qualms at all because there's an ongoing investigation into the 9-11 attacks, and we don't want to compromise that investigation," Mr. Bush said at an earlier news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in the Rose Garden.

"If people are being investigated, it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters before meeting with al-Faisal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-wont-reveal-saudi-9-11-info-30-07-2003/

So it would seem to be clear, that Thumairy and Bandar were at the least, two targets of the investigation Bush mentions as the reason for the classification.

This is the preposterous idiotic story we are supposed to believe...



Poor Bush. And how unfortunate for Bandar. Imagine how it must have been for Bush to have his good buddy under investigation for the worst mass murder in American History. He couldn't tell his friend Bandar anything, because......

"If people are being investigated, it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters before meeting with al-Faisal.

Law enforcement all across America everyday let people know they are being investigated every time they execute a search warrant and "take someone downtown" for questioning. But Bush wont allow that. Because that would "compromise" the investigation. You see, Bush knew when they do that, it almost always "let them know who they are". Evidently, questioning suspects and issuing search warrants ruins investigations 'cause now they know they are being investigated!

Talking to, or interviewing anyone who knows the suspects is also a sure way to blow any investigation, they get "tipped off" and then know they are being investigated, according to Inspector Bush. Law enforcement sure could learn a thing or two from the former President as he plays it cool and keeps the investigation from being "compromised". Imagine how difficult it must have been for Bush to put aside his curiosity and shock::) upon hearing how his close friend is financially supporting a now convicted felon, who is a Bin Laden devotee in America, Bandar at the same time was being connected to Abu Zubaduh in Afghanistan, who Intelligence Officials were already (before 9/11) suspecting of being involved in an upcoming terrorist attack. Is this the reason Bush inter-feared in the JI investigation? Because their investigation was getting to obvious that it was an investigation? I've never heard any other excuse for the President refusing to allow the JI to talk with the FBI counter-terrorism informant who was housing these same hijackers connected to his Saudi Friends. Any investigation would obviously want to talk with any FBI informant whose tenants were 9/11 hijackers and had also met at least 1 other hijacker.

I guess we are supposed to believe that the following isn't Bush interfering with the JI, but instead Bush saving them from "compromising" their investigation...LOL! Really?!?

The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying  page 51/858
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

The White house breached the constitution separation of powers in order to muzzle the JI but had no problem investigating the JI investigators....see....
 
https://books.google.com/books?id=sOUFNF3tQGAC&pg=PT47&dq=they+had+been+muzzled+into+silence&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiCzPXkhIXPAhWBHT4KHdP2CFMQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=they%20had%20been%20muzzled%20into%20silence&f=false
 
Gosh..it must have been tough on him.....while, Bush and his Buddy Bandar were discussing how to kill Saddam and get into Iraq, Bush couldn't say a peep on how his buddy was being "investigated". However, any "investigation" might tip them off that they were being investigated, and therefor "compromise" the investigation. So, not having an investigation on why his Saudi friend was paying thousands and thousands of dollars to an enthusiastic supporter of Bin Laden, who is helping to get terrorists into America and is a convicted felon (Osama Basnan) If there is no investigation into why Abu Zubaduh is connected to an unlisted number of a business in Aspen Colorado then the investigation wont get "compromised". The business is called ASPCOL, which is Bandars company, and it has one(full time) employee, who manages ASPCOL. He's one of Prince Bandar's Lawyers.

From "the 28 pages":

According to FBI documents, several of the phone numbers found in the phone book of Abu Zubaida, a senior al-Qa’ida operative captured in Pakistan in March 2002, could be linked at least indirectly, to telephone numbers in the United States. One of those U.S. numbers is subscribed to by the ASPCOL Corp., which is located in Aspen, Colorado, and manages the affairs of the Colorado residents of the Saudi Ambassador Bandar. The FBI noticed that ASPCOL has an unlisted telephone number.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

Not anymore

Aspcol Corporation
418 East Cooper Avenue # 202
Aspen, CO 81611 - View Map
Phone: (970) 925-1214
Own This Business?
Aspcol Corporation
A privately held company in Aspen, CO.

More Details for Aspcol Corporation

Categorized under Operators of Nonresidential Buildings. Our records show it was established in 1991 and incorporated in Colorado. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 110000 and employs a staff of approximately 1.


William Jordan
Manager

http://www.manta.com/c/mmsrw93/aspcol-corporation

Why doesn't Bandar want this all cleared up?

William Jordan, an Aspen attorney who handled Bandar’s local affairs, could not be reached for comment on Friday.
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/171823

from 28 pages:

The Denver office did not attempt to make any local inquiries about ASPCOL, as they believed that any inquiries regarding ASPCOL would be quickly known by Prince Bandar’s employees. Due to the sensitivity of this matter, they decided to hold their investigation of ASPCOL in abeyance until they received additional guidance from FBI Headquarters. According to the FBI, the phone number of an individual named ——– ——— of McLean, Virginia was found within the effects of Abu Zubaida. ——– is reportedly a bodyguard at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC. The FBI now suspects that he may be a ———— ————. In a September 17, 2002 document, the FBI notes that the Bureau is opening an investigation on ——- due to the size and value of his residence and his suspicious activity in approaching U.S. Intelligence Community personnel. It also appears that ———- has been in contact with ———- ———— ———-, which is located at ————–, in McLean Virginia. The FBI has identified this address as the address of Prince Bandar.
https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/

Oh, FBI agents wanted to investigate and were able to get some information......

FBI WFO case agents and FCPD* detectives who say they’ll never forgive the Bush admin for throttling their investigation of leads back to Saudi Embassy and Bandar himself in McLean. they view the former POTUS as a traitor.”[/b]
http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/12/15/murdochs-nypost-today-backs-michael-moore-bush-saudi-claims-from-fahrenheit-911

An ongoing investigation that doesn't investigate is the only way to get to the bottom of this. Right? LOL!!!

"it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters

The FBI did not volunteer to the JI they had an informant who had the first two 9/11 hijackers in America living with him. The JI found this out themselves when they were doing an investigation that Bush courageously stopped-  he seemed to realize this was an investigation and therefor threatened to "compromise" everything. LOL! Is that really what we are supposed to believe?

The connection, just discovered by congressional investigators, has stunned some top counter terrorism officials and raised new concerns about the information-sharing among U.S. law-enforcement and intelligence agencies. The two hijackers, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, were hardly unknown to the intelligence community. The CIA was first alerted to them in January 2000.....
http://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informant-who-lived-hijackers-144439

The CIA was first alerted to them in January 2000  <<--The JI investigation into this is still classified.

The JI was 2/3 the way toward their Dec deadline when they "discovered" this informant the FBI failed to tell them about.

But the belated discovery has unsettled some members of the joint House and Senate intelligence committees investigating the 9-11 attacks. The panel is tentatively due to begin public hearings as early as Sept. 18, racing to its end-of-the-year deadline. But some members are now worried that they won't get to the bottom of what really happened by then. Support for legislation creating a special blue-ribbon investigative panel, similar to probes conducted after Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination, is increasing. Only then, some members say, will the public learn whether more 9-11 secrets are buried in the government's files.
http://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informant-who-lived-hijackers-144439
 
And Poor Bandar! The whole time he wants desperately to respond to the 28 pages,...but alas.. he can't! Bush wont let him know what's in them. And in a cruel irony......it turns out....Bandar himself is in them! He had no idea!! Mentioned at least 18 times that we know of.

"It is my belief that the reason a classified section that allegedly deals with foreign governments is absent from the report is most likely because the information contained in it could not be substantiated," Bandar said. "Saudi Arabia has nothing to hide. We can deal with questions in public, but we cannot respond to blank pages."
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/29/nation/na-saudi29

See? Bandar would be happy to answer this stuff in public! But that darn G Bush will have non of it. He wont allow any "compromised investigation" on his watch. Bandar will just have to wonder like everyone else what is in the pages. LOL! The amazing BS they get away with!

Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, urged Bush in a letter Monday to fully declassify the 28-page section.

"That will permit the Saudi government to deal with any questions which may be raised in the currently censored pages, and allow the American people to make their own judgment about who are our true friends and allies in the war on terrorism," Graham wrote
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/29/nation/na-saudi29

That almost sounds like transparency, Nice try, but Bush will "stay the course" because... "it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters  LOL!! What nonsense! Reporters? More like stenographers.

But it's all been cleared up now. They said so on TV and in a paper I read. LOL!! Some people will believe anything.

CNN on the released "28 pages":

While the alleged association with Bandar revealed in the newly declassified pages does not provide direct evidence the prince was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, it raises new questions about Saudi Arabia's involvement.
The connection to Bandar was made through Zubaydah's phone book, retrieved during the Pakistani raid in which he was taken. In it, the FBI found numbers linked to the United States, including an unlisted number for a company that managed Bandar's estate in Aspen, Colorado. An unlisted number was also found for a bodyguard who worked at the Saudi Embassy in Washington.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/28-pages-saudi-prince-bandar-9-11/

[That was CNN. They are supposed to be a news company. This was news to them "it raises new questions about Saudi Arabia's involvement." WTF? I thought the reason CNN and the rest of us couldn't have access to this information was .."because there's an ongoing investigation into the 9-11 attacks, and we don't want to compromise that investigation," Mr. Bush said at an earlier news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in the Rose Garden

"If people are being investigated, it doesn't make sense for us to let them know who they are," Mr. Bush told reporters before meeting with al-Faisal.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-wont-reveal-saudi-9-11-info-30-07-2003/

So? What did the investigation show? No one knows? There was no investigation. It was a cover up.

There was no investigation. Listen to what Congressman S Lynch says at around 3:28...
"The FBI never engaged in an investigation of the Saudi connection."
http://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2016/09/06/lynch-september-saudi

There was no investigation. There was a cover up, a cover up that was essential to have a "preemptive" war in Iraq. See? The U.S. Administration wanted a war. It just didn't want a war with a country who had elements directly involved in the 9/11 attack. They are instead protected. It's called treason. Treason to proceed with mass murder. The 3000 dead on 9-11 was just the start. This treasonous cover up resulted in trillions of dollars spent, the loss of credibility of the U.S. on the world stage, a lot of dead people, chaos, and torture. But it's matter of perspective-----Bush was one of the best Presidents ever- - - for Saudi Arabia and Israel.


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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 06:41:21 PM »
Not everything in the 28 pages have been declassified,....

Excerpts from article:

Despite ‘28 pages’ release, Saudi’s 9/11 involvement still buried
September 10, 2016


The Obama administration blacked-out critical information throughout the document.

In all, there are nearly 100 separate redactions, ranging from single words, such as names of Saudi suspects, to paragraphs and entire sections of text. Obama’s censors offered no reason why any of that information had to be kept secret 15 years after the attacks, even though such explanations are required as part of declassification reviews.


The 29 pages reveal numerous, reinforcing connections between Saudi officials and the 9/11 hijackers.

The White House and Riyadh hoped the public would move on after the partial release of the 29 pages.

“Now that the declassification is complete,” said Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, “we hope to continue our close cooperation with the US.” Not so fast. With so much still hidden from public view, the release of the 29 pages should be just the start of 9/11 transparency, not the end of it.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/10/despite-28-pages-release-saudis-911-involvement-still-buried/

Al Hazmi and Al-Mihdhar, the first hijackers to arrive in America, arrived on Jan 15 2000. They moved to San Diego in early Feb 2000.

FBI Investigation report that Saudi Officials are contact men for 9/11 terrorists

"FBI Los Angeles Investigative Results:
Los Angeles has determined that __________may be a potential contact of the hijackers and __________ in Los Angeles. ________is an administrative officer at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles and may have diplomatic status. _________is also believed to be one of the Imans at the King Fahad mosque.___________also fits the description, as provided_____________of the individual that ____________met at the Saudi consulate prior to _____________"chance" meeting with the hijackers at the restaurant."

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-09-04-FBI-Fahad-Al-Thumairy.pdf

Source from:
9/4/2002: FBI Information Control Sheet, Fahad Al-Thumairy
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-09-04-FBI-Fahad-Al-Thumairy.pdf

Fahad al-Thumairy is the name being deleted as the potential contact of the hijackers. Fahad al-Thumairy was an administrative officer at the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles, Bin Don provided the description that Bayoumi met at the Saudi consulate prior to his "chance" meeting with the hijackers. Fahad al-Thumairy's name appears no where in the unclassified version of the joint inquiry. Therefore Fahad al-Thumairy is mentioned in the 28 pages that have been censured from the joint inquiry.


What led investigators to Fahad Thumairy seems to be interviews with Qualid Benomrane. Fahad Al-thumairy is named as the suspected "contact" in America for the hijackers according to FBI investigators.

Qualid Benomrane is not mentioned in the Joint Inquiry that the "28 pages" came from, he is not mentioned in the "28 pages" that were recently declassified, and he is not mentioned in the 9-11 commission Report. However he is mentioned in the 9-11 commission report footnotes(where the real story is)and is certainly mentioned in FBI investigators reports. It seems very hard to believe the Joint Inquiry never mentioned him, since it seems he was the lead that led to Thumairy. It would appear therefor, that he is still being "classified" from the JI and 28 pages.

According to the footnotes of the 9-11 commission:

The most intriguing lead concerns an Arabic-speaking taxicab driver, Qualid Benomrane, who was arrested on immigration charges in early 2002. When asked to look at a series of photographs that included the 19 hijackers involved in the 9/11 attacks, Benomrane responded ambiguously, seeming first to pick out the photographs of Hazmi and Mihdhar but then denying that he recognized them.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

They are referring to this FBI report:

During the interview, Benomrane was shown photographs of all the hijackers, and numerous photographs of unrelated individuals. Benomrane looked at all the photographs carefully and placed all the photographs in a pile on the left side of the desk. When he viewed the photographs of Al-Mihdhar and Al-Hazmi, he placed the photographs on the right side of the desk. Once he had gone through all the photographs, he mixed the photographs and stated that he did not recognize anyone from the photos. FBI Los Angeles is of the opinion that Benomrane may have been less than truthful with the investigators regarding his recognition of anyone from the photographs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

The 9-11 commission footnote goes on...

Later in the interview, Benomrane told the FBI about driving “two Saudis” around Los Angeles and to San Diego’s Sea World after being introduced to them by Thumairy at the King Fahd mosque before 9/11. According to Benomrane, someone at the consulate had asked Thumairy to assist the two Saudis, who had recently arrived in Los Angeles and had moved to an apartment near the mosque. page 532/585
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

see page 2/6 from this FBI report on Benomrane taking the "two Saudis" to Sea World....
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

The 9-11 commission footnote goes on...

Working with agencies of the U.S. government, we have attempted to locate and interview Benomrane overseas, since he was deported in 2002. After checking many possible avenues of corroboration for this story, our investigation has not substantiated the hypothesis that Benomrane’s “two Saudis” were Hazmi and Mihdhar. In fact, we have established that Benomrane did not obtain a taxi license, or even a driver’s license, until months after he could be supposed to have chauffeured Hazmi and Mihdhar.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

Here is the 9-11 commission copy of the DMV report on Benomrane:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2609699

While it does appear that he registered a 1993 truck as a commercial taxi on 02-20-2001 (Page 3/5)
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2609699

Which is about a year after the hijackers arrived in L.A.(Jan 15 2000)I fail to see that he didn't have a drivers license. (Benomrane did not obtain a taxi license, or even a driver’s license until months after he could be supposed to have chauffeured Hazmi and Mihdhar. -911 commission footnote)

On page 2/5 his DMV report says his DL expired 04/29/03
EXP 04/29/03
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2609699

Unless I'm missing something, that would mean he did have a valid DL in Jan of 2000. When I lived in CA from 1982-2001 mine was always good for 4 years.

The 9-11 commission footnote goes on...

Moreover, before his deportation, Benomrane described the two Saudis as sons of a sick father who was seeking medical treatment in Los Angeles. We have found evidence corroborating this account. 
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

And how does Benomrane know the Saudis were the "sons of a sick father who was seeking medical treatment in Los Angeles." ?

From FBI report:

Benomrane was told by Sheik Fahad that the Saudis were here to see their sick father who was in a local hospital.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

We have found evidence corroborating this account.  9-11 commission
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

If their "evidence corroborating this account" is the following....I wouldn't exactly call that evidence. If the following is not their "evidence corroborating this account", then what is?

Interview with Fahad Al-Thumairy of Saudi Arabia

He stated that a man named _________ came to the U.S. with his sick father who needed medical treatment. Notably, without being asked, Thumairy volunteered that he did not find an apartment for these visitors or make any reservations for them. page 4-13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Benomrane described the two Saudis as being approximately 21 and 25 years old, and told by Thumairy they were sons of a sick father. Thumairy (who claims to not know Benomrane, or even Bayoumi, despite phone records proving his lies)describes the two Saudis he "didn't really help" as a sick father and his son.

The 9-11 commission knows Thumairy lied throughout his interview with them as pointed out here...

Our general impression of Thumairy is that he was deceptive during both interviews.....
https://cryptome.org/2014/09/saudi-911-interviews.pdf

That's all the information the 9-11 Commission Report, and it's footnotes tell us about Qualid Benomrane.

But there is more.....
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2016, 12:38:35 AM »
That's all the information the 9-11 Commission Report, and it's footnotes tell us about Qualid Benomrane.

But there is more.....

Qualid Benomrane, not mentioned in the JI. Not mentioned in the released "28 pages". Not mentioned in the 9-11 commission report. Barely mentioned as a footnote in the 9-11 commission reports' back pages, and only then as a "most intriguing lead" but later dismissed for seemingly nonsensical reasons. Yet he is the reason Thumairy-Basnan-Bayoumi-Bandar and their role came to light. How did that happen?

It started with the LAPD, when the manager of an apartment building called the police after 9/11 happened:

Immediately after 9/11, he told police, the men shaved their beards, changed out of traditional Islamic garb, and stopped praying openly and attending the King Fahd mosque, one of the area’s largest, in neighboring Culver City. The manager also claimed that he’d seen the renters remove a license plate from their car, which they pushed to a side street, off the busier boulevard where they usually parked it.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

LAPD/detectives look into it:

The LAPD put the apartment and its residents—as well as their friends and associates, some 250 people in all—under surveillance. Eventually, it assigned more than 150 investigators and support employees to the case. Their focus eventually narrowed to a core of eight or ten suspects. “We knew we were dealing with a network of some kind,” a detective says. But investigators couldn’t prove that the group that they were watching was, as they suspected, an al-Qaida support cell in the heart of Hollywood.
When the police discovered that two of the men initially questioned were in the country illegally, they arrested them. One by one, others under surveillance were quietly arrested on various criminal charges—identity theft, illegal gun possession, and marriage and insurance fraud—none of which even mentioned terrorism. In some cases, immigration authorities deported the men on immigration charges. In other cases, suspects pleaded guilty and went to jail, or voluntarily left the country.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

Qualid Benomrane soon gets their attention:

The investigation soon focused on a man who seemed to be at the cell’s hub—Qualid Benomrane, a North African taxi driver mentioned in a footnote of the 9/11 Commission Report. Arrested on immigration charges in early 2002, he told the police that prior to the attacks he had driven “two Saudis” around L.A. and to San Diego’s Sea World, after being introduced to them by Fahad al-Thumairy, a diplomat at the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles. Benomrane also told police that someone at the consulate had asked al-Thumairy to take care of the two men.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

The detectives who investigated this case don't agree with the 9-11 commissions footnote poo-pooing Benomrane:

The 9/11 commission investigators concluded that “the hypothesis that Benomrane’s ‘two Saudis’ were Hazmi and Midhar” couldn’t be substantiated.
But the LAPD detectives who investigated the case remain convinced that Benomrane and al-Thumairy were militants in the al-Qaida support network and that Benomrane’s passengers were, in fact, the two hijackers. “Our investigation found, for instance, that Benomrane had taken photos of the structural supports of the Golden Gate Bridge during a trip to northern California,” a detective says. The LAPD also discovered that Benomrane had taken his two Saudi passengers to a gas station where one of the two San Diego–based hijackers had worked before heading east to carry out his deadly mission. (The FBI, which participated in the investigation, declined comment since the inquiry was classified, but a commission investigator said that the bureau has no record of such a side trip.)
The LAPD investigators decided to question Benomrane in jail once more, but they never got the chance: he was deported on the eve of their visit to see him

http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

The LAPD seems to have been doing a more in-depth investigation than the FBI-

The LAPD also discovered that Benomrane had taken his two Saudi passengers to a gas station where one of the two San Diego–based hijackers had worked before heading east to carry out his deadly mission. (The FBI, which participated in the investigation, declined comment since the inquiry was classified, but a commission investigator said that the bureau has no record of such a side trip.)
http://www.city-journal.org/html/front-line-war-terrorism-13025.html#box

Hazmi did in fact work at a San Diego gas station where the owner and manager were already suspects and under investigation as Islamic militants, and the manager, Iyad Kreiwesh was married (despite already being married)in a ceremony conducted in L.A. by Fahad Al-Thumairy.

Don't be fooled. Benomrane knows a lot, and the 9-11 commission knows it. Why does he know a lot and why is he talking? One reason is because he's always at the King Fahad Mosque where Thumairy is the Imam, and one reason he's talking is he doesn't want to be deported because for some reason he believes he will be killed if deported back to Tunisia. He was deported pretty quickly. He disappeared from the JI, the 28 pages, the 9-11 commission report, and with his deportation, planet earth.

________is very fearful that he will be deported back to Tunisia where he believes he will be placed in prison or killed. page 7/10
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

This guy Benomrane, knows to much and is talking to much. Yea, I'd say he's dead. What did he know and talk about?

...he is currently being sponsored by a Saudi Arabian named ______LNU in his attempts to obtain a green card.......He began sponsoring____________ in April 2001.   page 1/10

Currently ________worships at the King Fahad Mosque in Culver City. He said that the mosque director is named _______________. He said the Imam is _________.  page 2/10
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

(we know the Imam is Fahad Al-Thumairy)

_________had heard that two Saudi Arabian men arrived at LAX and were met by a person unknown to ______ This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.  page 3/10
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

I've been saving this. This exposes one of the biggest lies Thumairy told in his interview with the 9-11 commission. Earlier I posted the following, in regards to Bayoumi meeting the hijackers at a restaurant after his meeting with Thumairy.

"Bin Don said that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar told al-Bayoumi that they were living in an apartment "nearby."
"Bin Don said that they did not have a motor vehicle. He does not recall the direction that they walked after leaving the Mediterranean Cafe."

The exact location of the Mediterranean Cafe is 10863 Venice Boulevard and the meeting took place on 02/01/2000 as this FBI report shows.....
http://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-investigation-2002-09-sep

In a not so amazing coincidence Saudi Consulate Fahad Al Thumairy just happened for some reason to have several apartments leased in his name within walking distance.
The Hijackers stayed in an apartment in Los Angeles from the time of their arrival on Jan 15 2000 until they moved to San Diego in early Feb.

"Upon arriving in Los Angeles, al-Thumairy stayed in a hotel close to both the KFM and the Saudi consulate for approximately one week. He then moved into an apartment on Kelton Avenue, near Venice Boulevard. AI-Thumairy said he subsequently moved from this apartment to a house in Culver City on Huron Avenue."
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01249.pdf

All within walking distance of the Mediterranean Cafe where Bayoumi meets the Hijackers as this Google map shows Kelton Avenue is about 1 block from the cafe, Huron Avenue is about 4 blocks away and the KFM is a short distance South of the cafe......

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=10863+Venice+Blvd+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x80c2ba374da836b5:0xc3887eea8b8fcaa,10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034&gl=us&ei=n8G8Uq7cDsLr2QWMuIBg&ved=0CCkQ8gEwAA

All the places Thumairy lived were within walking distance of the Mediterranean Restauraunt, but one of those places Thumairy had more than one apartment leased in his name. Remember, Benomrane has been in jail since early 2002 up to this point. This is March of 2002 when Benomrane said...

This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

Let's go back to Thumairy's interview again.....The part I've been saving........

Al-Thumairy said he moved from this house into an apartment closer to the consulate during his last year in the U.S. Specifically, he said he moved into the Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue with his family sometime in 2002  page 3/13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue is between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.

Benomrane having been in custody for months stated in March 2002-

This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

He fingered the apartment complex Thumairy admits he lived in. And he lived there before 2002. He had several leases in his name there. And it's less than a mile from the Mediterranean Restaurant. The hijackers lived here for their first two weeks in L.A. ......

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/3636+South+Sepulveda+Boulevard,+Los+Angeles,+CA/10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034/@34.0169127,-118.4189546,16z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba49022c2e05:0xef7fe303d5ec69b6!2m2!1d-118.4190846!2d34.0164037!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba374c8178e1:0x6f680c09334ba298!2m2!1d-118.4108167!2d34.016914

Thumairy interview with 9-11 commission:

Al-Thumairy was next asked about his rental history at the Avalon apartment complex, where he rented an apartment after vacating the house on Huron Street. When asked specifically whether he, the KFM, or the Saudi consulate ever rented any other apartments there, al Thumairy responded no.......
AI-Thumairy also once again confirmed that he never rented any other apartments at the Avalon complex. When asked whether he would be surprised if there were other apartments at Avalon with leases in his name, he said yes because the management would have required identification to sign the lease.......
When told by SA Maguire that his name appears on more than one lease at Avalon in the summer of 2001, Al-Thumairy said that when he returned from vacation in Saudi Arabia, his apartment was not yet ready so he was living in a different apartment from that into which he later moved.
Al-Thumairy offered this speculation as his only explanation for why his name may appear on the lease for more than one apartment at that time. He could not recall whether this was in 2001 or 2002, however.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Thumairy lied throughout his interview. This was one of the biggest though.

Benomrane has told us where the hijackers lived in L.A. Thumairy was housing the hijackers, and got caught lying about it.

But Benomrane is going to give more information......
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2016, 07:56:08 AM »
The point about Bandar and Thumairy at the start is really good one.

Who was the guy who talked about a 'Dr Othman' at the board King Fahad mosque who may have been helping the hijackers. I dont know if i remembered the name he gave correctly. Did you ever run across that?
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 11:56:44 AM »
Who was the guy who talked about a 'Dr Othman' at the board King Fahad mosque who may have been helping the hijackers. I dont know if i remembered the name he gave correctly. Did you ever run across that?

You are correct that (according to Thumairy) there was a Dr Othman who was on some "council" at the KFM. I think they were trying to figure out who put Thumairy in charge as the Imam when they were questioning Thumairy on this.

From 9-11 commission interview with Fahad Al-Thumairy:

When asked about the names of people on the Council, Al-Thumairy identified only a Turk named Dr. Othman and another person from Burma whose name he could not recall. Al-Thumairy noted again that he did not have much contact with the Council.  page 4/13

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/2610850/content/arcmedia/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01249.pdf

There is also this..
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• Talat Othman
Bush family friend who is on the board of both Mirza's Amana Funds and the Islamic Institute. Also met with O'Neill about the raid.
From the article Effie Trinket quoted in this post..
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.msg1599881#msg1599881

This is all I've ever been aware of as far as that goes. Do you recall anything else on how you came across this name?
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 05:41:42 PM »
Yes you found it. I raised it because of he possibility he may mean Dr Osman Kaldirim, who was on the board of the foundation that built the mosque. He is a Turk. When you were quoting his words, it suddenly triggered a memory of it.

Kaldirim features elsewhere on this forum and shared an address with Ghassan Elashi, head of the HLF. I would just love it to be him, lets put it that way.
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LAPD detectives who investigated the case remain convinced that Benomrane and al-Thumairy were militants in the al-Qaida support network and that Benomrane’s passengers were, in fact, the two hijackers.... The LAPD also discovered that Benomrane had taken his two Saudi passengers to a gas station where one of the two San Diego–based hijackers had worked

People who worked at that gas station were members of the PLO, so... they aint wrong
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2016, 10:54:26 AM »
The name of Ercan Engineering features in the 28 Pages a subsidiary of a Saudi company which money was sent too Omar al Bayoumi through. The company is in fact in Newport Beach not San Diego as they say and is run by Magdi R Hanna. One complication is there appears to be two Magdi Hanna's in LA.
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We have found evidence corroborating this account.  9-11 commission

Wait, so their father was there as well? That would be a twist. Had always assumed they were sent alone or near enough. Adds new meaning to the idea of a support network.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2016, 09:52:16 PM »
Wait, so their father was there as well? That would be a twist. Had always assumed they were sent alone or near enough. Adds new meaning to the idea of a support network.

No. There is no father. Sick or otherwise. It's a sorry/sloppy story that doesn't hold up.

Benomrane -He said they were there, to visit-their sick father. But that's only because that's what he was told, By Thumairy....

Benomrane was told by Sheik Fahad that the Saudis were here to see their sick father
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

No sick father- 2 young Saudis-

Benomrane could not remember the Saudis names, but remembered one was approximately twenty one years old and the other was approximately twenty-five years old. Benomrane stated over and over that the two Saudis came to Los Angeles prior to 09/11/2001.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

Benomrane -two young Saudis           here to see sick father (told this by Thumairy)
Thumairy - two Saudis                 one a son - the other his sick father

Al-Thumairy repeatedly confirmed that this was the only instance in which he assisted Saudi visitors, that the only people who came were the son and his sick father, and that all he did was provide them with his general thoughts on which areas of Los Angeles it would be safe to stay.
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Benomrane stated over and over that the two Saudis came to Los Angeles prior to 09/11/2001[/b].
https://web.archive.org/web/20140114170139/http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-25-FBI-fahad-althumairy.pdf

Thumairy lying again:
Specifically, he said he moved into the Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue with his family sometime in 2002  page 3/13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

his name appears on more than one lease at Avalon in the summer of 2001
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Here's a simple question. While driving these two around, since they are here to see their "sick father" why doesn't he take them to the hospital where their "sick father" is? Or is he getting treatment at Sea World in San Diego? There is nothing to indicate in any interview he took them to visit their "sick father".

The story of the sick father is sloppy and not consistent. Neither is his explanation for when he moved into the Apartment on Sepulveda ave.

Why I said:
If their "evidence corroborating this account" is the following....I wouldn't exactly call that evidence. If the following is not their "evidence corroborating this account", then what is?

Interview with Fahad Al-Thumairy of Saudi Arabia

He stated that a man named _________ came to the U.S. with his sick father who needed medical treatment. Notably, without being asked, Thumairy volunteered that he did not find an apartment for these visitors or make any reservations for them. page 4-13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Thumairy is lying throughout the entire interview. Pretty much about everything.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2016, 06:11:56 AM »
The medical excuse is definitely a common theme.

Maybe it wasnt Benomrane's job to take them to the hospital. We hardly know where they went anyway.

Outside of sceptical speculation, the two sound like Nawaf and Saleem al-Hazmi. So do we know where al-Hazmi senior was at this time? That would be my question.

If the government say they found evidence to support it then i want to know who the father was. Thats what im trying to say. Thats my initial reaction. I am always on the lookout for co-conspiracy.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2016, 12:37:55 PM »
I dont know much about this Qualid Benomrane. His name is not in the public databases.

Whatever aliases he was using i have yet to find them.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2016, 10:39:39 PM »
This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

Let's go back to Thumairy's interview again.............

Al-Thumairy said he moved from this house into an apartment closer to the consulate during his last year in the U.S. Specifically, he said he moved into the Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue with his family sometime in 2002  page 3/13
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2610850

Avalon Westside apartment complex on Sepulveda Avenue is between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.

Benomrane having been in custody for months stated in March 2002-

This unknown person then took the two Saudis to an apartment complex that had already been rented for them. _______stated he could not remember the address, but that it was a large white building located on Sepulveda Blvd. between Venice Blvd. and Palm st.
https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11%20Commission%20Report/9-11-interviews-2002-03-mar/view

He fingered the apartment complex Thumairy admits he lived in. And he lived there before 2002. He had several leases in his name there. And it's less than a mile from the Mediterranean Restaurant. The hijackers lived here for their first two weeks in L.A. ......

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/3636+South+Sepulveda+Boulevard,+Los+Angeles,+CA/10863+Venice+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90034/@34.0169127,-118.4189546,16z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba49022c2e05:0xef7fe303d5ec69b6!2m2!1d-118.4190846!2d34.0164037!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2ba374c8178e1:0x6f680c09334ba298!2m2!1d-118.4108167!2d34.016914

Benomrane is the reason an investigation was opened on Thumairy

Benomrane has told us where the hijackers lived in L.A. Thumairy was housing the hijackers, and got caught lying about it.

But Benomrane is going to give more information......

Qualid Benomrane appears to be pointing straight at where Hazmi and Mihdhar stayed when these two, the first of the 9-11 hijackers to arrive in America landed at LAX in Los Angeles on Jan 15 of 2000.

The problem with Benomrane's story is he said he gave the two Saudis his business card as he was driving his own taxi. The 9-11 commission is saying it can't find evidence he was a licensed taxi driver in Jan 2000, and he didn't even have a license then. But it looks to me like he did have a drivers license that expired on 4/29/2003. They usually expire every 4 years on your birthday. Although they blocked out his birthday on his DMV printout, his visa confirms his birthday is 4/29/, so why wouldn't it be good in Jan 2000?

From 9-11 commission records archives:

Memorandum for the Record (MFR) of the Interview of Report of California DMV re: Qualid Moncef Benomrane of the California Department of Motor Vehicles Conducted by Team 1A
https://research.archives.gov/id/2609699

Qualid Moncef Benomrane, DOB: 4-29-76, COB: Tunisia, Passport No.L870243.  page 5/117
https://www.scribd.com/document/17394543/T5-B24-Copies-of-Doc-Requests-2-of-3-Fdr-Entire-Contents-DOS-Doc-Requests-Responses-Indexes-Withdrawal-Notices-Docs
 
Looking over the other records the 9-11 commission had on Benomrane are the following...

From 9-11 commission records archives:

Benomrane folder:
Page1 - a subpoena to/for someone/something ---Classified due to "National Security"
page 2  is a letter dated 2-11-04 either to or from or about Benomrane  --classified due to "National Security"
page 3 is a 7 page memo of their conversation with an FBI agent in regards to Brenomrane dated 9-29-03    ---classified due to "National Security"
page 4 5 6 7 are the questions they wanted to go over with Benomrane. (very good and reveling Q)
https://www.scribd.com/document/15103029/T1A-B36-Qualid-Moncef-Benomrane-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Questions-and-3-Withdrawal-Notices-Subpoena-Letter-Re-Benomrane-Interview-w-FBI-Agent-All-Cla

but..

page 3 is a 7 page memo of their conversation with an FBI agent in regards to Brenomrane dated 9-29-03    ---classified due to "National Security"

The following interview is completely redacted-
Subject: interview with FBI agent-my assumption is they(9-11 commission members)are interviewing the FBI Agent with knowledge of Benomrane.
Benomrane
Document Date: 09-29-2003
Subject: interview with FBI agent

page 4 5 6 7 from this folder are the questions they wanted to go over with Benomrane. What the investigators for the 9-11 commission(and joint inquiry)want to know from Benomrane are many things...including this....

How does QMB know that the two Saudis stayed at the Hilton on Century Boulevard near LAX when they first arrived?
How did they find a room at the Hilton? Did they have a reservation? Did somebody make one for them? How did they pay? Did they stay alone?
One room or two? How long did they stay there

https://www.scribd.com/document/15103029/T1A-B36-Qualid-Moncef-Benomrane-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Questions-and-3-Withdrawal-Notices-Subpoena-Letter-Re-Benomrane-Interview-w-FBI-Agent-All-Cla

Here it is........This is the 7 page memo of conversation dated 09-29-03 with an FBI agent about Benomrane This was released late August 2014

https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

Here is just a little of what it says....

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA. Benomrane said that when they left the Hilton, they moved into an apartment. It was Benomrane's understanding that that it was the Saudi Consulate that arranged for the apartment to be rented for them.

later it says....

Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results.

During the interview, Benomrane said he would show them the location of the apartment building. He took them to the apartment complex at 3636 S. Sepulveda. ________ knows that subpoenas were served on the complex, and that it became clear that the KFM was renting rooms at the complex.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/243329031/Footnote-Box-1-Redwell-7-FBI-MFR-09292003-Fdr-MFR-Benomrane

Later it says when he picked out the photos of Mihdhar and Hazmi......

They put this information into the communication requesting the initiation of an investigation on Thumairy.

There is a lot more in those 7 pages.

The 9-11 commission says in it's footnotes....

*8- Although Hazmi and Mihdhar told immigration authorities on January 15, 2000, that they would be staying at the Sheraton Hotel in Los Angeles, their names do not appear in the hotel’s registration records for the second half of January. FBI searches of the records of other hotels near the airport and smaller establishments in Culver City failed to locate the hijackers, as did our own investigation.   page 531/585
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/sept11/911Report.pdf

Perhaps they were using alias's?

The 9-11 commission also issued a Subpoena for Benomrane's phone records. And claims the FBI never did. Why not?

Date: April 7,2004
Subject: Request for Nextel Subpoena


That phone number belonged to a foreign national who lived in the Los Angeles area who has provided potentially significant information to the FBI that may shed light on the activities of 9/11 hijackers al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar in California in early 2000. The FBI has not sought these records.
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

We don't get to see those..

Event: Service of subpoena on NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS
Date: 04/12/2004
The subpoena requested all records for telephone number 310-877-5039 from December 1, 1999 through March 31, 2000 inclusive. This cell telephone was in the control of Qalid Benomrane.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

They also issued a subpoena for some informant...

The item identified below has been withdrawn from this file

Subject: subpoena for confidential source, with copies
https://www.scribd.com/document/14553321/SD-B4-Subpoenas-NYC-Fdr-Memos-Re-Nextel-Subpoena-for-Cell-Records-of-Qalid-Benomrane-Re-Al-Hazmi-and-Al-Mihdhar-on-Top-of-2-Withdrawal-Notice-for-Sub

And this very interesting subpoena.....

SUBPOENA
To Hilton Hotels Corporation


ATTACHMENT A

The checkout folio for Said Abdullah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000; and

The checkout folio for Said Abdallah, who checked out of the Hilton hotel at Los Angeles Airport on January 16, 2000.

https://www.scribd.com/document/14553330/SD-B4-Supoenas-Sepulveda-Fdr-Hilton-Letter-and-Subpoena-Re-Said-Abdullah-094

Remember Benomrane said.....

He also remembered during this interview, that the two Saudis stayed at the LAX Hilton when they first arrived, and that they were met at the airport by someone from the Saudi Consulate in LA.

Detective Gizzi from the LAPD ran the leads at the LAX Hilton. They met with negative results.

How did the commission know to issue a subpoena for those names?

Hilton response to subpoena with Said Abdullah and Said Abdallah names redacted.....


T1A B43 Hilton Subpoena Fdr- Entire Contents- Subpoena- Faxes- Guest Folio- Said Abdullah (See SD B4 Subpoenas for Unredacted
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

According to the billing they stayed in room 1777 and the room was held for them starting Jan 13.
page 5/9 shows on the billing that a MasterCard was used.
https://www.scribd.com/document/18662012/T1A-B43-Hilton-Subpoena-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Subpoena-Faxes-Guest-Folio-Said-Abdullah-See-SD-B4-Subpoenas-for-Unredacted

I'd like to know who's MasterCard that was. If someone gets embarrassed by this, because it all turns out to be innocent, to bad. It's worth looking into. Frankly these two names who checked out together the day after the hijackers arrived sound rather suspicious to me....
Said Abdullah and 
Said Abdallah
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2016, 05:11:38 PM »
Public records for the phone show no Qualid Benomrane - https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/phone/3108775039/ps
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2016, 10:26:07 PM »
Public records for the phone show no Qualid Benomrane - https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/phone/3108775039/ps

Because he had that number over 15 years ago

Event: Service of subpoena on NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS
Date: 04/12/2004
The subpoena requested all records for telephone number 310-877-5039 from December 1, 1999 through March 31, 2000 inclusive. This cell telephone was in the control of Qalid Benomrane.

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Yes, his first name is (Qalid)misspelled. Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him. He was arrested in early 2002, then shortly thereafter deported, so he hasn't had that number since then, and he's probably dead. I don't know if those searches would go back that far, and he didn't have that number for very long. It's a good try though.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2016, 05:54:03 AM »
Because he had that number over 15 years ago

Yes, his first name is (Qalid)misspelled. Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him. He was arrested in early 2002, then shortly thereafter deported, so he hasn't had that number since then, and he's probably dead. I don't know if those searches would go back that far, and he didn't have that number for very long. It's a good try though.

The database is not reliable for a number of reasons but results do go back that far. Both of the returns are mysterious. But the main significance i take from it is yet again no guy called Khaled Benomrane. Thumairy is not in the database either.

"Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him." - This is your opinion.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2016, 12:13:37 PM »
The database is not reliable for a number of reasons but results do go back that far.

I'm aware that results can go back that far. But for someone who was in America for only a few years and had a number for a few months, 15 years ago doesn't mean it will be there. I know this is a fact because I moved from Ca in 2001 and I got out an old address book and tried it on some numbers in it. The site is a pretty good one, but I like I said I know numbers people had-in Ca-in 2001-some of them show up. Some don't. The longer you've had a number the more likely it will show up. Do the experiment yourself if you don't believe me.

But the main significance i take from it is yet again no guy called Khaled Benomrane.
His name isn't Khaled.

Thumairy is not in the database either.

Bayoumi and Bassnan are though. I tried them.


"Doing a current search on this number wont reveal anything on him." - This is your opinion.

Fine. You don't think I already tried doing a background check on Qaulid Moncef Benomrane? I've already been down the road. I'd be quite satisfied if you proved me wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2016, 04:22:50 PM »
The goal is obviously to obtain a name or number or address that will provide the required information. Im not making the point you think i am. Im mostly wondering where he lived, i dont know if you know from reading those docs you read....
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2016, 04:32:46 PM »
Dont know if there is any significane to this, the hotel thing reminded me of it:

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WikiLeaks cables reveal that the FBI has launched a manhunt for a Qatari gang suspected to be part of the 9/11 attacks.

The secret cables reveal that the men conducted surveillance on the targets, provided “support” to the plotters and had tickets for a flight to Washington on the eve of 9/11

• They checked into one room in a hotel near the Los Angeles airport with a checkout date of 10 September 2001. They paid for the room using cash
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2016, 05:41:22 AM »
The son of Abdussattar Shiakh lived at 5215 Sepulveda. Perhaps rooms in that building too were rented by the King Fahad mosque
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2016, 07:15:39 AM »
The Shakih's role is still portrayed as entirely innocent by both the FBI and the 911 Commission. But in Garden Grove he lived nearby to Kifah Wael Jayyousi (8289 Panchoy), a man indicted with Jose Padilla. The Jayyouis family used 6750 Beadnell in the past as well.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 08:06:18 AM »
^ I meant Lemon Grove

A man named Ramez T Noaman is listed as having lived at Shaikh's Mount Vernon house. He appears to have disappeared in 2001. He has a possible associate named Jennifer Le Man, whose listed relative Teresita Deguzman lived at 3747 Sepulveda in the mid 90s.

I presume this is all to do with local Islamic society networks.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2016, 09:48:08 AM »
Kifah W Jayyousi also lived at 1701 Culpepper Severn, MD for two years according to the database. This address is opposite the NSA at Fort Meade.

In fact people stationed at Fort Meade are also using that address.
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2016, 05:29:47 PM »
Some guy mentioned in this - which is discussing two Saudis being driven around LA - said: "when he first carne to the United States that he went to the Concord English School in West Los, Angeles. The owner of the school is an Iranian, LNU."

Just looking this school up:

April 9,2008

OPERATOR OF ENGLISH LANGUAGE SCHOOLS CHARGED IN MASSIVE STUDENT VISA FRAUD SCHEME

Some “Students” Were Russian Prostitutes Who Allegedly Paid Cash for Visas

A Beverly Hills man who operates two schools that teach English to foreign students was arrested this morning on federal charges for allegedly running a visa fraud scheme that allowed foreign nationals from around the world to obtain student visas to enter the United States, even though they had no intention of attending the schools or were fraudulently trying to remain in the United States.

Behzad “Ben” Zaman, 50, was arrested without incident this morning by special agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at Concord English Language Center, one of the two schools he operates. Zaman is expected to make his initial appearance this afternoon in United States District Court in Los Angeles.


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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2016, 05:58:11 PM »
^ I forgot the link - http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-03-13-FBI-FD302-redacted-LA.pdf

If you look at the date of the investigation, March 12 02, then this story suddenly appeared in the La Times - http://articles.latimes.com/2002/mar/17/local/me-mosque17 - which appears to reveal one of the blanked out names and information about him.
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2016, 07:49:15 PM »
When i looked up Jayyousi address residents, i found a guy whose associates had an office on the 101st floor of 2 World Trade. I dont know if any of these people died on 9/11 but the family, Acra, who are base in Haiti, have gotten into trouble recently. Here is just an interesting quote I found reading while about them:

40 tonnes of cocaine and heroin allegedly found aboard the Vessel Manzanares docked at the Mevs Warf (PORT ) in Haiti according to federal agencies.
According to these same official sources, the Mevs Warf ( PORT ) was allegedly financed in part by the Clinton Global Initiative, amid rumors of former President Bill Clinton alleged close ties to the Mews business family in Haiti.  It is also rumored that the drug was allegedly found in a shipment of sugar, owned by Nabatco, the owner of which is Marc Antoine Acra, a member of the  powerful Acra business family

http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=17436

In fact this family had been place on a US Treasury SND list in 1992 for funding a military coup in Haiti. They were removed in 1994. Wikipedia has this to say: High-ranking members of the Haitian National Intelligence Service (SIN), which had been set up and financed in the 1980s by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as part of the war on drugs, were involved in the coup
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2016, 12:43:47 PM »
If you take the government story at face value, that the Saudis were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, there is only one obvious alternative.

That is that the Saudis were helping the US government monitor Al Qaeda agents in the US.

That would mean the US government knew the Al Qaeda agents were in the country and did nothing. Apparently standard practice in US intelligence if WTC 93 is anything to go by.

Could it be that that is what the coverup is all about.
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2016, 07:39:30 PM »
In 2007, former CIA officer Robert Baer will comment in Time magazine, “[A]pparently, when [al-Qaeda leader] Abu Zubaida was captured, telephone records, including calls to the United States, were found in the house he was living in. The calls stopped on September 10, and resumed on September 16. There’s nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.” (Baer 12/7/2007) In fact, it seems likely the calls were monitored at the time by US intelligence and not just discovered after Zubaida’s capture in 2002.
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2016, 04:57:37 PM »
According to a Pentbomb profile of Hani Hanjour

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3740 Corey Road. Valkaria. FL: HANJOUR listed this address as his destination when he enters U.S. from Saudi Arabia on 11/16/97.

This is a small house in Nowhere-ville Florida. I found it most notable for who lived there. A man who ran a Church in Palm Bay called the 'Church for all Nations.' The Church closed it doors in the year of our lord 2002. But there was still hope, Hope Development and Outreach in fact and its sister Hope Recovery Ministries which are still going to this day, both involved the same dude. The church physical address in Palm Bay turned out to be another residential house.

What could have possessed 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour to list this property as his destination? The only clue is two Islamic names listed as having been residents, both leaving in the year 2001: Ahmed F Ismail and Saleh H Al.

I suppose "Saleh H Al" might be Hani Hanjour, due to his middle name Saleh.  'Hani Saleh H. Hanjour' was apparently an alias of his.
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2016, 05:54:43 AM »
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Ibrahim Al-Kulaib: Al-Kulaib is a diplomat at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C. He runs a charity with possible ties to terrorism, and is also connected to FNU Alzweiy, an individual with connections to terrorist elements. A document located at a site in Afghanistan where biotoxins were discovered had a P.O. Box listed in Virginia. This P.0. Box had been rented by Alzweiy for several years.
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/document-17.pdf

A database search for Alzweiy in Virginia returns one result - Mabrouk M Alzweiy. He does indeed have a post office box, 1013 PO Box
Falls Church, VA 22041, which the database says he vacated in 1995.

Other contemporaneous users, include: Oussama M Elbaba; Abdulgani A Abutunis; Hadia M Bouji.
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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2016, 02:41:02 PM »
Maybe this story is why Abdussattar Shaikh was developed as an asset and working for Steven Butler. Bulter apparently said his job was to track Saudi money flows going to terrorism. Jayyousi after all lived in Lemon Grove near the Shaikh.

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'Sleeper cell' had S.D. ties, jury told
 Clairemont resident is on trial in Miami

By Jeff McDonald June 11, 2007

Years before three of the Sept. 11 hijackers set up shop in this corner of the country, a group of Muslim extremists in San Diego was raising money and recruiting fighters for a worldwide holy war, according to federal records and testimony that unfolded last week in a Miami courtroom.

As early as 1993, the FBI was wiretapping at least two San Diego men who agents suspected were members of a “sleeper cell” plotting terror strikes across the globe.

The government also was tracking money transfers and cash deposits to a series of nonprofit organizations run by the suspects, Mohammed Zaky and his apparent protege, Kifah Jayyousi.
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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2016, 03:01:27 PM »
Hmmm Saudi money ,Israel  Usa military stand down , all you pesky 911 truthers tin foil hat people need to sit down and stfu . Bin Laden master minded it on his laptop in a cave in Afghanistan move along folks nothing to see here .

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2016, 08:00:06 AM »
Kifah Jayyousi was connected to the Care/Al Kifah network
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"...documents seized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation show at least a handful of personal visits by Kifah Jayyousi to the Boston area between 1996 and 1998 that were carefully coordinated and arranged by Care International and its officers."
http://powerbase.info/images/9/93/Kohlmann's_Expert_Report_in_US_v._Muntasser_et_al.pdf

Care, the outgrowth of the Bin Laden EIJ cell in NYC which attempted to destroy World Trade Centre in 1993, were apparently major backers of a guy called Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. This is a major Afghan Warlord supported by the CIA.
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Testimony during trial described a pledge of support to Hekmatyar signed by defendants MUNTASSER and AL-MONLA found during an October 2001 covert search of Care International’s storage unit rented by defendant MUBAYYID. This pledge stated, in pertinent part: We those who love you in the Boston office, write to you asking for direction and looking for explanation on what you see fit and appropriate for us in matters concerning serving Jihad for the sake of Allah.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2008/January/08_nsd_021.html

So maybe Al Kifah has something to do with the CIA.
Hekmatyar himself has other direct ties into the Bin laden network: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_Solidarity_Organisation
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2016, 08:46:55 AM »
Other contemporaneous users, include: Oussama M Elbaba; Abdulgani A Abutunis; Hadia M Bouji.

This guy Oussama Elbaba used Post Office Box 8096 Falls Church Va. in the early 90s. The same box was later used by an Abdullah bin Laden with an email of wamy@wamy... - so this is the Abudullah bin Laden who was a Saudi Embassy hanger on who ran terrorists training camps in Florida for the Chechen Jihad. One might ask how many bin Ladens does it take running training camps for terrorists before somebody starts to infer a family connection... but I have a better story about him.

It is all to do with a mysterious comment in an FBI document about a close associate of 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta from his University of Cairo days who was  living in Winter Park, Florida. The document says that the man admits he travelled to New York City in 1996 to meet with Mohamed Atta. Officially Atta never visited the United States until 1999, so it an important story.

Well document 17 identifies this man. One of the things I just noticed about him is he was once employed by Argonne National Labs. But 17 also says he was an associate of Abdullah Bin Laden deputy Mohammed Quadir-Harunani. The phone number of Atta's father was found in the possessions of Quadir-Harunani. Perhaps this guy being friends with Atta and Harunani explains that discovery. But it puts Atta well within the realms of the US military backed Abdullah bin Laden's Chechen terrorism training camps. It suggests a continuing ongoing relationship with Atta which has been covered up, helps to explain his supposed links to US military bases and provides an alternative recruitment method for Atta into not just the jihad but also... into the 9/11 Conspiracy.

All just speculation though of course. To make progress we might want to ask why was the pre 9/11 counterterrorism investigation into Abdullah bin Laden shut down, evidently much to the chagrin of the detectives involved as they leaked the information to Greg Palast. W199i.
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2016, 12:26:39 PM »
There is someone called Asma Benomran who was living on Genesee St in San Diego. This is interesting because there people who have lived at her address who were also using 6750 Beadnell in they years 1999-2001. That address is already one we have associated with the hijackers. So she may be a relative or something.

The name Benomrane can also be broken up Ben Omrane and there are a number of people with the surname Omrane or Omran in California.
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2016, 11:45:06 AM »
Donald Trump's associate through Bayrock Capital - Frederick Contini - appears in this story - http://nypost.com/2004/09/16/mob-mta-scam-gambinos-snatched-10m-in-build-job-feds/

At the end of the story it says "Edward Garafola is set to go on trial in November for the 1989 murder of Staten Island businessman Frederick Weiss."

That is a famous story about the Decavalcante Crime family. Thats the New Jersey family who have multiple ties to Al Qaeda. For example Phil Gurian's family lived opposite Soliman Bihieri's family in a south Florida cul-de-sac for many years.

The Decavlacante gang also robbed the World Trade Centre in 1998. I was suspicious of this not least because I believed as best I can determine, that they robbed the same bank where an Al Qaeda member - Mohammed Junaid Babar's - mother worked. Officially though, the information about security weaknesses came from a postal worker.

I dont understand how Trump can be so connected to the WTC and to the 9/11 attacks by pure chance.
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2016, 01:30:27 PM »
I wonder why Mel Rockefeller was visiting Iraq in the late 90s
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Aspcol Corporation
418 East Cooper Avenue # 202
Aspen, CO 81611 - View Map
Phone: (970) 925-1214
Own This Business?
Aspcol Corporation
A privately held company in Aspen, CO.

A review of this number show it is linked to a William R Jordan III - https://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/phone/9709251214/ps

One of his listed employers - MCCLOSKEY ENTERPRISES OF FLORIDA, INC - is associated with Philadelphia construction magnate Thomas D. McCloskey. His father was former Democratic National Treasurer Matthew H. McCloskey, a U.S. Ambassador to Ireland. Jordon is a lawyer so he probably represented them.

Don B Reynolds appeared before the Senate Rules and Administration Committee on 1st December, 1964. Before the hearing Reynolds supplied a statement implicating Bobby Baker and Matthew McCloskey in financial corruption.  In the early 1950s Baker had also been involved in helping that Intercontinental Hotels Corporation establishing casinos in the Dominican Republic. Baker arranged for Ed Levison, an associate of Meyer Lansky and Sam Giancana, to become involved in this deal. When the first of these casinos were opened in 1955, Baker and Lyndon B. Johnson were invited as official guests.
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2016, 11:53:29 AM »
A quote from the 28 Pages:

"In their testimony before the Joint Inquiry, neither the CIA nor the FBI was able to definitively identify for these Committees the extent of Saudi support for terrorist activity globally or within the United States and the extent to which such support, if it exists, is intentional or innocent in nature."

They are talking about Americas highest level national security partner.
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Re: Declassified:Examining what's in "the 28 pages" of the Joint Inquiry
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2016, 08:47:27 PM »
Richard Clarke served as the national coordinator for counterterrorism on the White House National Security Council during Bill Clinton’s and George W. Bush’s administrations and was in the role before, during and after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. He is now an ABC News consultant.

The recently released “28 pages” are a snapshot in time. They came at the conclusion of the joint House-Senate Intelligence Committees' inquiry and before the 9/11 Commission started its work in 2003. Those pages and many others previously released posed questions for further investigation, based on the committees’ review of raw intelligence and FBI reports. The 9/11 Commission took the baton and followed up on most of those leads, but not all.

... About the time that CIA learned the two men were in Los Angeles, the possible Saudi intelligence officer, al-Bayoumi, found them and befriended them.

The CIA is not authorized to run intelligence operations in the U.S. Even if it were, most CIA employees would have had a hard time making friends with al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi.

A fellow Saudi like al-Bayoumi, however, would stand a much better chance, especially if he pretended to be an al-Qaeda sympathizer acquainted with people like the radical imam al-Alwaki. In the parlance of the intelligence world, such approaches to potential sources of information, using false pretenses, are known as false flag operations.

If the CIA asked the Saudi intelligence service to approach al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi in the U.S. then, it would have come at the same time that the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center (CTC) was trying to develop human sources inside al-Qaeda.

It would have been entirely logical for the CTC to try to learn things about al-Qaeda by having someone from a friendly intelligence service run a false flag operation on two known al-Qaeda operatives. Because those two men were in the U.S., however, the CIA would have needed to coordinate the approach with the FBI.

Had FBI been informed, however, it very likely would have vetoed the idea and moved quickly to arrest the two men. I knew very well the FBI personnel in charge of counterterrorism at the time, and they would not have hesitated to make such an arrest. That is also what I would have requested the FBI to do if the CIA had told me, which it should have and did not.

If the CIA broke the rules about getting FBI approval and, in cooperation with the Saudi intelligence service, ran a false flag operation in the U.S. against al-Qaeda terrorists, that would explain why CIA managers repeatedly made decisions and issued clear instructions not to tell anyone outside the CIA the rather startling and unprecedented news that al-Qaeda operatives were in our country.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/28-pages-questions-alleged-saudi-spy-cia/story?id=40697425

Clarkes reaction to the 28 Pages doesnt make much sense but at least he attempted to explain it. Others didnt.
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