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Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« on: September 26, 2015, 01:33:07 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/catalonia-votes-democracy-election-independence-spain
Catalonia goes to the polls in an 'incredible moment for democracy'
A regional election – billed as a referendum on Catalan independence – could throw Spain and the EU into uncharted waters

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 07:17:27 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35277965
New Catalonia leader pledges secession within 18 months
2 hours ago
 
The new leader of the government in the Spanish region of Catalonia has pledged to continue his predecessor Artur Mas's plans to secede within 18 months.

Carles Puigdemont was speaking in the regional assembly ahead of a vote that confirmed him in office by 70 votes in favour to 63 against.

On Saturday Mr Mas abandoned efforts to regain the regional presidency after another party refused to support him.

Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy has meanwhile pledged to fight for national unity.

"The government won't allow a single act that could harm the unity and sovereignty of Spain," he said in Madrid.




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The pro-independence parties that triumphed in the polls bickered over who should lead the new local government.

But addressing the assembly on Sunday, Mr Puigdemont pledged to end the divisions.

"There are many [supporters of independence], true, there are many more than there used to be, more than there were 20 years ago," he said.

"[But] in this phase we have to gain total democratic legitimacy, we need more [supporters] and I call on everyone."

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/catalonia-elects-new-separatist-president-1452461944
Catalonia Elects New Separatist President

Legislators’ choice of Carles Puigdemont after an 11th-hour compromise puts pressure on Madrid to form government after inconclusive December vote


By Matt Moffett

Jan. 10, 2016 4:39 p.m. ET
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MADRID—Separatist legislators in Spain’s wealthy Catalonia region elected a new president on Sunday, overcoming months of infighting and ratcheting up pressure on national leaders to set aside their differences and form a government to thwart the secession bid.

The Catalan parliament elected  Carles Puigdemont, a mayor and head of an association of separatist municipal leaders, as regional president . He has said he is committed to making Catalonia an independent nation within 18 months.

His unexpected ascent came through an 11th-hour deal on Saturday between the main pro-independence ticket and a small far-left separatist party that stubbornly objected to the re-election of incumbent  Artur Mas.

Had no president been elected by midnight Sunday, Catalonia would have been required to hold new regional elections. The vote was 70 in favor of Mr. Puigdemont, 63 opposed and two abstentions.
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Separatist sentiment in Catalonia, which produces a quarter of Spain’s exports, grew during Mr. Mas’s five years in office because of economic strains from Europe’s crisis and Spanish court decisions that curbed Catalan autonomy
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 04:49:59 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/18/spanish-government-bans-catalan-independence-flags-at-football-f/
Spanish government bans Catalan independence flags at football final
    James Badcock, Madrid
18 May 2016 • 6:28pm

Spanish police have been told to frisk at least 19,000 FC Barcelona football fans attending the Copa del Rey cup final in Madrid on Sunday to ensure they aren't carrying flags in support of Catalonia’s independence movement.

The government chief in the capital region said that the supporters of finalists Sevilla and Barça will be subjected to a complete body search to prevent the display of "inflammatory symbols" such as the yellow-and-red striped Catalan flag, known as the estelada.

The final “must not be made a scene of political struggle,” said Concepción Dancausa in announcing the special security measures on Wednesday.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/13/
CNBC Transcript: Interview with Carles Puigdemont, President of Catalonia
Friday, 13 May 2016 | 4:52 AM ET

Following are excerpts from a CNBC interview with Julia Chatterley and Carles Puigdemont, President of Catalonia
 
JC: You suggested that the lack of Government in Spain is a concern for Europe. How concerned are people and do you see it as eventually putting the economy at risk?

CP: The political situation in Spain is very surprising and generates worries not only in Spain but in Europe. And I believe that incapacity to govern the complexity and find smart solutions creates many worries and I don't see it as good news for the economy or for the politics in Europe.

JC: Do you think fresh elections at the national level will change anything because the polls look very similar and inconclusive?

CP: The reality, and that's my impression - is that all will remain the same. When it comes to Catalonia, things will be exactly the same and so as a consequence there will be a government that won't be able to make any proposal for a solution in Catalonia. I spoke to the different Spanish political leaders, and none of them gave me the impression that they wanted to move forward.

JC: We'll come back to the question of Catalonia which has clearly been a stumbling block in the coalition forming but do you think acting PM Mariano Rajoy should step down, should he let the PP's have a new leader, fresh perspectives?
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 JC: You say you are in a sovereign mindset. But in actual fact would you accept greater autonomy? Yes or No?

CP: The greatest autonomy that we are ready to accept is the right to decide. That would be greatest act of autonomy. And what the people of Catalonia would decide. If the Spanish state want Catalans to be consulted also on a proposal of more autonomy – or devomax – alongside an independence proposal we agree with that. But we want to be able to choose between the two options. And if the Catalan people chose more autonomy, of course we will respect that. But there would have to be this proposal on the table, and for the moment it doesn't exist. And I doubt very much that it will ever exist.

JC: So if you doubt very much it will ever happen, and we're on around a year in the timeline of your 18 months proposal to I guess some kind of a declaration of unilateral independence…?

CP: No. we are not anticipating for a unilateral declaration of independence. This is not our plan. Our plan is what the Scottish government had with the UK. It's an agreement to consult over the independence of Catalonia. And we will NOT abandon this plan until the end. And we will always invite the Spanish government to seat at the table to negotiate to reach that agreement because it benefits everybody. A unilateral declaration of independence is NOT the best solution, obviously. We keep hoping that we will be able to reach a solution.

JC: Let's move and talk about the UK referendum. What do you think of the prospect of the UK leaving Europe?

CP: The British people have the right to decide have the right to decide whether or not they want to be part of the EU. And I shouldn't interfere in this. I express Catalonia's wish of being in the EU. We'll see what happens. But I notice a paradox: the EU makes huge efforts to avoid the UK leaving while it threatens Catalonia with kicking us out if we declare ourselves independent. To be honest, I am very worried about the possibility of the UK leaving the EU. But of course, like in the case of Catalonia, we have to respect the right to decide of the British people on a relationship that part of the Brits consider is not satisfying enough. We will see what happens. And one final remark: the brexit vote is just 3 days before the Spanish elections and we will see what impact it can have.
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2016, 02:02:26 PM »
https://twitter.com/hashtag/catalan


'Attack on freedom of expression': #Madrid bans #Catalan flag at football match http://on.rt.com/7d7s
5:25 PM - 20 May 2016


see:
http://theconversation.com/the-rebirth-of-catalan-how-a-once-banned-language-is-thriving-47587
The rebirth of Catalan: how a once-banned language is thriving   
 September 24, 2015 7.00am EDT

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Cultural repression

After the Spanish Civil War ended in 1939, the repression was not only political but cultural too. Catalan institutions were suppressed and Catalan was banned in the school system. Indicative of the new political order were statements from the authorities, the police in particular, such as “Hable el idioma del imperio”: use the language of the empire.

The immediate consequence was that Catalonia lost many of the material resources for the production and reproduction of its culture. The Catalan language lost prestige in comparison with Spanish, and some upper-class Catalans began to start speaking more Spanish.

At the same time, between one and two million people from the south of Spain moved into Catalonia after the 1950s. These migrants were sometimes prejudiced against the Catalan language, not least because many of them did not even know about its existence before coming to Catalonia. Some felt no need to learn Catalan. This is the kind of problem which faces all stateless nations.

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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2016, 12:24:46 PM »
Notice not a mention of the EU  (taxes) in this article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/five-catalans-burned-photos-spanish-king-arrested-131213416.html
Five Catalans who burned photos of Spanish king arrested
December 13, 2016

Barcelona (AFP) - Spanish police have arrested five Catalan independence activists for allegedly burning photos of King Felipe VI after refusing to appear before a judge investigating them, police said Tuesday.

The five, all members of Catalan anti-capitalist party CUP, had been summoned to appear before a judge at the National Audience, Spain's top criminal court, last week but did not show up.

They stand accused of insulting the monarchy, a crime, and of also burning Spanish flags during a rally on Catalonia's national day on September 11.

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Their long-standing demands for greater autonomy have been exacerbated by Spain's recent economic downturn, leaving many resenting the amount of taxes they pay to the central government in Madrid to subsidise poorer regions

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Earlier: (notice the .eu internet domain:

http://www.cataloniavotes.eu/en/government-tests-catalan-treasury-software-with-new-taxes/
Government tests Catalan Treasury software with new taxes
Nov 24 2016


ARA – The new computer programme will handle all taxes in the event of secession

The Catalan government’s capacity to collect tax revenues and keep cash in its coffers will be crucial when secession occurs. A year after IBM won a tender to develop a computer programme for the new Catalan Treasury, the government will test it with the new taxes that are due next year.

Sources within Catalonia’s Finance Ministry have confirmed to this newspaper that the new taxes agreed by pro-independence groups Junts pel Sí (JxSí) and the CUP will be managed by e-Spriu, a much more “cutting-edge” IT system than today’s, with the “capacity” to handle all taxes in the event of independence, including the ones currently managed by Madrid.
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Still, when will the government be in a position to handle all taxes in Catalonia? Our sources claim that “when the time comes, we will be ready” and they openly admit that the exact time will depend on the political circumstances. However, they would not divulge when exactly the new software will be ready to take over the taxes currently managed by Madrid.

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More branches and staff

Information Systems is one of the pillars in the development of Catalonia’s own Treasury because the tax management programme will sort through all the taxpayers’ personal details and will encompass every tax management process that all countries employ to finance their services. The Catalan Treasury is currently developing the regional powers in the run up to the referendum on independence, scheduled to be held in Autumn 2017. New branches will need to be opened to cover the whole country and additional staff will be hired.

While there are nearly four hundred employees working in the Catalan Treasury, the goal is to bring that figure up to eight hundred by the end of next year by adding the staff who handle payments in property registry offices, as well as the managers and inspectors who pass the civil service entrance exams. The challenge for the Treasury is to ensure that tax revenue rises from €2,306m per annum in order to have €4.5 bn in the kitty so as to finance the first few months following independence.
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 01:32:09 PM »

http://theconversation.com/the-rebirth-of-catalan-how-a-once-banned-language-is-thriving-47587
The rebirth of Catalan: how a once-banned language is thriving   
 September 24, 2015 7.00am EDT

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Cultural repression

After the Spanish Civil War ended in 1939, the repression was not only political but cultural too. Catalan institutions were suppressed and Catalan was banned in the school system. Indicative of the new political order were statements from the authorities, the police in particular, such as “Hable el idioma del imperio”: use the language of the empire.

The immediate consequence was that Catalonia lost many of the material resources for the production and reproduction of its culture. The Catalan language lost prestige in comparison with Spanish, and some upper-class Catalans began to start speaking more Spanish.


There must be a rule book somewhere, when an empire wants to take over a country, the first thing they attack is the language. This was true in Moldova (Russian was imposed on Moldovans), and in Hawaii, where Hawaiian was NOT allowed in public schools. So the language dies... the culture dies... they win. Sickening.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2017, 03:47:48 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-rally-barcelona-catalan-independence-vote-134708781--sow.html
Tens of thousands rally in Barcelona for Catalan independence vote
AFP
June 11, 2017

Barcelona (AFP) - Tens of thousands of demonstrators including Pep Guardiola, the revered former manager of Barcelona's football club, rallied in the city on Sunday to support the Catalonia independence referendum called for October 1.

Carles Puigdemont, leader of Catalonia's regional government, defied Madrid on Friday by setting a date for a binding vote even though the referendum has been ruled illegal by Spain's Constitutional Court.

"We will vote, even if the Spanish state doesn't want it," Guardiola told the crowd speaking in Catalan, Spanish and English.

"There is no other way; the only possible response is to vote," he added.
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Catalonia, a wealthy region of 7.5 million people in northeast Spain, is fiercely proud of its language and customs, and has long demanded greater autonomy from Madrid.
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2017, 01:33:57 PM »
My friend who was as tourist in Spain said to me that almopst million Catalonians on streets demanded 

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2017, 10:38:47 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/world/europe/spain-catalonia-independence.html
Catalonia Independence Bid Pushes Spain Toward Crisis
By RAPHAEL MINDER
SEPT. 8, 2017

BARCELONA — The accelerating battle over Catalonia’s status hit warp speed this week.

Catalan lawmakers voted to go ahead with an Oct. 1 referendum on separating from Spain. Spain’s constitutional court declared the vote suspended. And Catalan politicians said they would proceed anyway.

On Monday, Catalonia’s national day, hundreds of thousands of independence-minded citizens are expected to take to the streets of Barcelona in a show of force, further roiling the waters.
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“This has gotten out of control,” said Javier Solana, Spain’s former foreign minister and a former secretary-general of NATO. “We’re no longer in a normal situation of political conflict, where the politicians fight but at least respect the rules of the game.

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Separatist leaders now face fines and suspension from office if they go ahead with the referendum, which has been declared illegal by the central government in Madrid, with the support of Spanish courts.

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This time, Catalonia’s government has promised that the referendum will be binding, even if it is declared illegal by Spain’s constitutional court and even if Catalan opponents of independence boycott it.

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On Thursday, Mr. Rajoy told Catalonia’s mayors, elected officials and civil servants that their duty was to “prevent or paralyze” an illegal referendum. As Spain’s leader, he added, “I will do everything necessary without giving up anything” to stop secessionism in its tracks.

In response, Carles Puigdemont, the leader of Catalonia, told Catalan television that no politician or court in Madrid could stop the referendum.

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Win or lose, separatists could still take to the streets, warned Francesc de Carreras, a constitutional lawyer who helped launch Ciudadanos, a party firmly opposed to independence.

“We should at least be ready for a Catalan version of Maidan,” he said, referring to the square in Kiev that became the center of the Ukrainian revolution in 2014.

“It could create an even more unpredictable and tense situation,” he said. “But the right to protest must also be respected in a democracy.”
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 12:06:25 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/spain-catalonia-clash-over-policing-as-illegal-independence-vote-nears-idUSKCN1BY0NG?il=0

September 23, 2017 / 7:41 AM / Updated an hour ago
Spain, Catalonia clash over policing as illegal independence vote nears
Julien Toyer, Tomás Cobos

MADRID (Reuters) - The mounting political crisis in Spain over Catalonia’s campaign for independence intensified on Saturday with a new row over the control of the local police force as the regional government pressed ahead with plans to hold an illegal vote next weekend.

The State prosecutor in Catalonia told all local and national police forces on Saturday that they had been temporarily placed under a single chain of command reporting directly to the interior ministry in Madrid.

But Catalonia’s interior chief, Joaquim Forn, said his department and the local police, or Mossos d‘Esquadra, did not accept this decision.

“We denounce the intervention of the state to control the police forces of Catalonia ... We will not accept this control,” Forn said in a televised speech.
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Catalan newspaper La Vanguardia said the prosecutor’s order would remain in place until at least Oct. 1, when the vote is due to take place.
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Several pro-independence groups have called for widespread protests on Sunday in central Barcelona.

“Let’s respond to the state with an unstoppable wave of democracy,” a Whatsapp message which was used to organize the demonstration read.
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Acting on court orders, the Spanish state police has already raided the regional government offices, arrested temporarily several senior Catalan officials accused of organizing the referendum and seized ballot papers, ballot boxes, voting lists and electoral material and literature.
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Between 3,000 and 4,000 police officers coming from other Spanish regions have already arrived in Catalonia or are on their way. They will join 5,000 state police already based in the region and 17,000 local Mossos.

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 01:56:45 PM »
https://apnews.com/a65b4f3c0888481da9ea40c96cfb96d0/Spain,-Catalonia-head-for-showdown-over-independence-vote
Spain, Catalonia head for showdown over independence vote
By ARITZ PARRA and CIARAN GILES
Today

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Much remains unclear, including whether police will forcibly remove people who are still in the polling stations at a 6 a.m. Sunday deadline and how many of Catalonia’s voters will be able to cast ballots amid the central government’s crackdown.

Also unknown is what happens next if regional leaders declare any vote legitimate and Catalonia declares independence. The referendum was suspended under constitutional rules weeks ago so a court could consider its legality.
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Catalan authorities have pledged to make the voting possible even if police, acting on judges’ orders, manage to close polling stations and seal off ballot boxes. Some 5.3 million people are eligible to vote in the region, one of 17 in Spain.
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The Spanish government says the vote, which has been ordered suspended by the Constitutional Court, will not take place. It has called in thousands of police reinforcements that are being housed in ferries in Barcelona’s port, raising tensions in one of Europe’s most popular tourist destinations.
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2017, 08:23:19 PM »
dang ...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/catalan-parliament-defies-madrid-pressure-works-on-independence-declaration-idUSKBN1CB106
#World News
October 6, 2017 / 2:28 AM / 2 days ago
Catalan parliament defies Madrid pressure, works on independence declaration
Sam Edwards, Raquel Castillo

ARCELONA/MADRID (Reuters) - Catalan secessionists were working on Friday toward a unilateral declaration of independence from Spain that could be adopted next week in defiance of a court order and increased economic pressure from Madrid.

After Spain’s Constitutional Court suspended a session of the Catalan regional parliament set for Monday, which had been expected to endorse an independence declaration, the parliament said the region’s pro-independence leader Carles Puigdemont would address the assembly at 6 p.m. (1600 GMT) on Tuesday.
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... secessionist parties in the Catalan parliament were discussing an independence declaration to be submitted to the assembly next Tuesday.

“We are in talks about a text, with paper and pencil, on the declaration that we want the regional parliament to accept on Tuesday,” Carles Riera, a lawmaker from the pro-independence CUP (Popular Unity Candidacy), was quoted as saying.
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 01:00:16 PM »
So , Is this the next Spanish Civil War ? -  so where are the Global Socialist NWO  Nazi's?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/fears-violence-tens-thousands-take-11383827
Fears of violence as 450,000 take to the streets of Barcelona joined by independence leader following Spanish government bombshell

The Spanish Prime Minister today said Catalonia's regional government should be dissolved

Nearly half a million people have vented their fury on the streets of Barcelona in a huge protest as the Catalan crisis deepens.

Activists waved the Catalonian independence flag as tempers boiled over after the Spanish Prime Minister said he wanted to dissolve Catalonia's government.

Police have said that around 450,000 separatists took part in the rally, furious with today's bombshell.

It had earlier emerged that the region's top politician could face arrest if he declares independence, and Madrid now plans to hold Catalan regional elections in January




 The huge protest was held as feelings boil over and the crisis deepens (Image: Getty Images Europe)


 
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2017, 02:55:57 PM »
https://apnews.com/1a4b5e14e467459f9644a294832bc1a4/Ousted-Catalan-leader-vows-to-fight-Spain's-takeover
Ousted Catalan leader vows peaceful resistance to Spain

BARCELONA, Spain (AP) — Catalonia’s ousted leader called for peaceful opposition to Spain’s decision to take direct control of the region, saying Saturday that he and other regional officials fired by the central government will keep “working to build a free country.”

Carles Puigdemont’
s comments, made in a recorded televised address that was broadcast as he sat in a cafe in his hometown of Girona, were a veiled refusal to accept his Cabinet’s dismissal as ordered by central authorities.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4781526/catalan-parliament-declares-independence-spain-violence-fresh-elections/
BARCA LONERS Violence erupts in Barcelona as Catalonia police chief is sacked and Spanish PM orders fresh elections in bid to seize control of breakaway region

Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy called for calm as tens of thousands of independence supporters celebrated in the streets of Barcelona



Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2017, 11:35:35 AM »
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/872311/Catalonia-referendum-Spain-independence-European-Union-map-autonomy
MAPPED: Catalonia is NOT alone - the regions desperate for independence threatening the EU
CATALONIA'S quest for independence from Spain could spark a domino effect plunging the European Union into crisis as a map reveals the other regions across the continent desperate for autonomy.
By Laura Mowat
PUBLISHED: 12:28, Sun, Oct 29, 2017 | UPDATED: 12:47, Sun, Oct 29, 2017



Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2017, 11:37:02 AM »
https://apnews.com/8e3685315dbf4cadad9ad73950b02884/Catalan-leader-says-he-is-seeking-safety-outside-Spain
Catalan leader says he is seeking safety outside Spain

BRUSSELS (AP) — Catalonia’s ousted regional president said Tuesday he traveled to Brussels to seek “freedom and safety” after Spain blocked his bid for Catalan independence and sought to bring charges against him that could put him in prison for decades.

A day after he arrived in Brussels, Carles Puigdemont told a packed news conference he would return home “immediately” if a fair judicial process were guaranteed in Spain. He dismissed speculation he would seek political asylum in the Belgian capital.

“Here we have better guarantees for our rights and we can meet our obligations from here,” he said at the Brussels Press Club, which is right next to the European Union’s headquarters.

Puigdemont said he and his team will stay in Brussels and “continue our work despite the limits imposed on us.”

The Spanish government has cracked down on Puigdemont’s attempt to take Catalonia, a wealthy region of some 7.5 million people, out of Spain. The government says Puigdemont flouted the Constitution by holding an Oct. 1 independence referendum.

The Catalan parliament approved a motion declaring independence last week, but the Spanish Constitution says Spain is “indivisible.”

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 06:51:39 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-seek-catalan-leaders-arrest-072812554.html
Spain issues arrest warrant for Catalan leader
Simon Sturdee with Alfons Luna in Barcelona
,AFP•November 3, 2017

Madrid (AFP) - A Spanish judge issued a EU arrest warrant Friday for Catalonia's deposed separatist leader Carles Puigdemont, a day after he failed to appear for questioning over his role in the region's tumultuous independence drive.

The announcement added to anger and dismay in a second straight night of demonstrations in the wealthy north-eastern region, with protesters chanting and waving Catalan flags of red and yellow stripes with a white star.

Spanish prosecutors want to charge Puigdemont, holed up in Belgium, with rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds. On Thursday the 54-year-old ignored a summons to appear before the same judge in Madrid.

A EU arrest warrant was also issued for four other Catalan ministers who failed to show up and are also thought to be in Belgium, a court statement said. They, like Puigdemont, were dismissed by Spain's central government a week ago.

On Thursday the judge had Puigdemont's deputy and seven other deposed regional ministers jailed pending a possible trial because of a risk that they might similarly abscond.

Speaking in an interview on Belgian television channel RTBF on Friday, recorded before the widely expected warrant was issued, Puigdemont said he was not hiding from "real justice" but from a "clearly politicised" Spanish legal system.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/catalan-independence-supporters-block-border-150634594.html
Catalan Independence Supporters Block Border Crossings to France to Protest Jailed Leaders
Storyful•November 3, 201

Supporters of Catalan independence blocked a road close to the border between Catalonia and France on November 3 to protest the detention of eight Catalan leaders following a court ruling that last month’s independence referendum was illegal.

Video footage filmed by a local activist shows protesters blocking the N-230 in Bausen, Catalonia, with a sign that calls for the politicians to be freed.

Among those being held are former Deputy Vice President Oriol Junqueras and Interior Minister Joaquim Forn. The leaders were detained for rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds.
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 10:06:22 AM »
https://www.apnews.com/62bfd8e7f4984db2b2b1c1fb2bab430d/Catalan-ex-president,-4-others-in-custody-in-Brussels
Catalan ex-president, 4 others in custody in Brussels

BRUSSELS (AP) — Brussels prosecutors said Sunday that ousted Catalan president Carles Puigdemont and four ex-regional ministers were taken into custody to start the process of their possible extradition to Spain.

The five presented themselves to federal police at around 9 a.m. (0800 GMT; 3 a.m. EST), Brussels prosecutor’s office spokesman Gilles Dejemeppe said. He said that they haven’t been arrested and that Puigdemont and the four members of his disbanded Cabinet will be heard by an investigative judge later in the day.

The Belgian judge will have to decide within 24 hours what comes next for the five separatist politicians wanted in Spain on suspicion of rebellion for pushing through a declaration of independence for the northeastern Catalonia in violation of Spain’s Constitution.

Dejemeppe said the judge’s options range from “refusal to execute the European arrest, arresting the people involved, releasing them on conditions or under bail.” He said if they are arrested then they will be sent to jail as the extradition process continues. Dejemeppe said that the entire process from arrest to extradition, could take more than 60 days.

That delay could give Puigdemont time to participate, albeit from afar and in largely a symbolic capacity, in the snap regional election called by Spain’s government for Catalonia on Dec. 21.
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2017, 12:28:41 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Berenguer_IV,_Count_of_Barcelona
Ramon Berenguer IV (Catalan pronunciation: [rəˈmom bəɾəŋˈɡe]; c. 1114[1] – 6 August 1162, Anglicized Raymond Berengar IV), sometimes called the Saint, was the Count of Barcelona who brought about the union of his County of Barcelona with the Kingdom of Aragon to form the Crown of Aragon.

The Chronicle of San Juan de la Peña said he was, "[a] man of particularly great nobility, prudence, and probity, of lively temperament, high counsel, great bravery, and steady intellect, who displayed great temperance in all his actions. He was handsome in appearance, with a large body and very well-proportioned limbs."

Crusades and wars

In the middle years of his rule, Ramon Berenguer turned his attention to campaigns against the Moors. In October 1147, as part of the Second Crusade, he helped Castile to conquer Almería. He then invaded the lands of the Almoravid taifa kingdoms of Valencia and Murcia. In December 1148, he captured Tortosa after a five-month siege with the help of Southern French, Anglo-Norman and Genoese crusaders.[3] (When Moors later tried to recapture Tortosa, the women put up such a spirited defense that Berenger created for them the Order of the Hatchet.) The next year, Fraga, Lleida and Mequinenza in the confluence of the Segre and Ebro rivers fell to his army. The reconquista of modern Catalonia was completed.

Ramon Berenguer also campaigned in Provence, helping his brother Berenguer Ramon and his infant nephew Ramon Berenguer II against the Counts of Toulouse. During the minority of Ramon Berenguer II, the Count of Barcelona also acted as the regent of Provence (between 1144 and 1157). In 1151, Ramon signed the Treaty of Tudilén with Alfonso VII of León and Castile. The treaty defined the zones of conquest in Andalusia as an attempt to prevent the two rulers from coming into conflict. Also in 1151, Ramon Berenguer founded and endowed the royal monastery of Poblet. In 1154, he accepted the regency of Gaston V of Béarn in return for the Bearnese nobles rendering him homage at Canfranc, thus uniting that small principality with the growing Aragonese empire.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tortosa_(1148)

The Siege of Tortosa (1 July – 30 December 1148) was a military action of the Second Crusade (1147–49) in Spain. A multinational force under the command of Count Raymond Berengar IV of Barcelona
besieged the city of Tortosa (Arabic Ṭurṭūs̲h̲a), then a part of the Almoravid Emirate, for seven months before the garrison surrendered.
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Participants in the siege of Tortosa were even called "pilgrims" (peregrini) like those en route to the Holy Land.
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The conquest of Tortosa was a major event in the Reconquista of the Ebro Valley. Raymond Berengar IV followed it up with the conquest of Lleida on his own, without Genoese assistance or papal approval, in 1149.
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Besides the army of Aragonese, Catalans and Occitans recruited from the three territories under Raymond Berengar's rule and the Genoese army recruited by him in 1146, the army that besieged Tortosa was joined by crusaders from northern Europe, namely Englishmen, Flemings and Normans.[5] It is probable that some or all of the English, Flemish and Norman crusaders were veterans of the Lisbon campaign, although another portion of that Anglo-Flemish army had gone on to the Holy Land and was at that time participating in the Siege of Damascus. The only source to explicitly link the English at Tortosa with those at Lisbon is the Royal Chronicle of Cologne, which says that afterwards they continued on to the Holy Land

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240431921_Norman_crusaders_in_the_Catalan_reconquest_Robert_Burdet_and_the_principality_of_Tarragona_1129-55
Norman crusaders in the Catalan reconquest: Robert Burdet and the principality of Tarragona, 1129-55
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Abstract

A Norman adventurer, Robert Burdet, while participating in the Reconquista, established a short-lived crusader principality at Tarragona.

This Norman gained fame after 1114, first serving Alfonso I el Batallador (‘The Warrior’) of Aragón in the wars against the Banu Hūd of Zaragoza; thereafter he was contracted by Archbishop Oleguer Bonestruga of Tarragona, the primate of northeastern Spain after 1118 and a papal legate after 1123, to assume in 1129 the secular lordship of Tarragona which had been constituted by the comital house of Barcelona as a papal fief and ecclesiastical principality. After this prelate's death in 1137, the Norman held this frontier and attempted to found an autonomous crusader state, but in 1146 the new archbishop, Bernard Tort, began to re-impose ecclesiastical control over Tarragona.

At the same time, the house of Barcelona inherited the royal title from Aragón, thus forming the crown of Aragón by merging the former kingdom with the Catalan counties and reviving the crusade against Muslim Lérida and Tortosa which fell in 1148 and 1149.

The archbishop and count moved against the Normans to integrate their principality into the new Aragó-Catalan federation. Prince Robert lost much of his power before his death in 1155, and his heirs were reduced to vassalage to Barcelona and subservience to their ecclesiastical lord, the archbishop of Tarragona. Civil war broke out after 1155 and the expulsion of the Normans by 1177 brought their principality to an end.

Norman crusaders in the Catalan reconquest: Robert Burdet and the principality of Tarragona, 1129-55. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240431921_Norman_crusaders_in_the_Catalan_reconquest_Robert_Burdet_and_the_principality_of_Tarragona_1129-55 [accessed Nov 27 2017].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_d%27Aguil%C3%B3

Robert d'Aguiló (c. 1100 – c. 1159), also known as Robert Bordet, was a Norman knight who moved from Normandy to Catalonia in the early 12th century. He was a native of Cullei (modern Rabodanges in Orne, France), as reported by Orderic Vitalis, and his name d'Aguiló is a catalanized form of "d'Aculley" or "de Culley" that he adopted after marrying the daughter of a Catalan noble.

In 1124 Robert became governor of the newly conquered territory of Tudela and held that post for the next two years. Three years after his term office, on 14 March 1129, he was ceded secular authority in the district of Tarragona by Olegarius, Bishop of Barcelona, with the title of "Prince of Tarragona" (princeps Tarraconensis), effectively the archiepiscopate's vidame or defensor (defender, advocate).[1][2] His position in Tarragona he maintained until 1153.

On 24 January 1150 Robert granted the lordship of Riudoms to Arnau de Palomar. In 1149 Robert granted a charter to the city of Tarragona, and appointed one Guillem (William) as lord of the city, but Guillem was forced to resign in 1157. This occurred after he attempted to transfer his rights in the city to the Count of Barcelona but Robert rejected the agreement. On 29 April 1157 the lordship of Reus was granted by Robert to the Church of Tarragona but it was transferred to Bertran de Castellet less than two months later on 3 June. Two years later (1159) an ephemeral agreement between the count, the bishop, and Robert was reached.

Robert was married to Agnes Sibylla (died 1170), and had four sons by her: Guillem (William, died 1168), Robert, Ricard (Richard), and Berenguer (Berengar, who in conjunction with Robert, assassinated Bishop Hug de Cervelló in 1171).
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5