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Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« on: September 26, 2015, 01:33:07 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/catalonia-votes-democracy-election-independence-spain
Catalonia goes to the polls in an 'incredible moment for democracy'
A regional election – billed as a referendum on Catalan independence – could throw Spain and the EU into uncharted waters

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 07:17:27 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35277965
New Catalonia leader pledges secession within 18 months
2 hours ago
 
The new leader of the government in the Spanish region of Catalonia has pledged to continue his predecessor Artur Mas's plans to secede within 18 months.

Carles Puigdemont was speaking in the regional assembly ahead of a vote that confirmed him in office by 70 votes in favour to 63 against.

On Saturday Mr Mas abandoned efforts to regain the regional presidency after another party refused to support him.

Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy has meanwhile pledged to fight for national unity.

"The government won't allow a single act that could harm the unity and sovereignty of Spain," he said in Madrid.




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The pro-independence parties that triumphed in the polls bickered over who should lead the new local government.

But addressing the assembly on Sunday, Mr Puigdemont pledged to end the divisions.

"There are many [supporters of independence], true, there are many more than there used to be, more than there were 20 years ago," he said.

"[But] in this phase we have to gain total democratic legitimacy, we need more [supporters] and I call on everyone."

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/catalonia-elects-new-separatist-president-1452461944
Catalonia Elects New Separatist President

Legislators’ choice of Carles Puigdemont after an 11th-hour compromise puts pressure on Madrid to form government after inconclusive December vote


By Matt Moffett

Jan. 10, 2016 4:39 p.m. ET
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MADRID—Separatist legislators in Spain’s wealthy Catalonia region elected a new president on Sunday, overcoming months of infighting and ratcheting up pressure on national leaders to set aside their differences and form a government to thwart the secession bid.

The Catalan parliament elected  Carles Puigdemont, a mayor and head of an association of separatist municipal leaders, as regional president . He has said he is committed to making Catalonia an independent nation within 18 months.

His unexpected ascent came through an 11th-hour deal on Saturday between the main pro-independence ticket and a small far-left separatist party that stubbornly objected to the re-election of incumbent  Artur Mas.

Had no president been elected by midnight Sunday, Catalonia would have been required to hold new regional elections. The vote was 70 in favor of Mr. Puigdemont, 63 opposed and two abstentions.
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Separatist sentiment in Catalonia, which produces a quarter of Spain’s exports, grew during Mr. Mas’s five years in office because of economic strains from Europe’s crisis and Spanish court decisions that curbed Catalan autonomy
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 04:49:59 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/18/spanish-government-bans-catalan-independence-flags-at-football-f/
Spanish government bans Catalan independence flags at football final
    James Badcock, Madrid
18 May 2016 • 6:28pm

Spanish police have been told to frisk at least 19,000 FC Barcelona football fans attending the Copa del Rey cup final in Madrid on Sunday to ensure they aren't carrying flags in support of Catalonia’s independence movement.

The government chief in the capital region said that the supporters of finalists Sevilla and Barça will be subjected to a complete body search to prevent the display of "inflammatory symbols" such as the yellow-and-red striped Catalan flag, known as the estelada.

The final “must not be made a scene of political struggle,” said Concepción Dancausa in announcing the special security measures on Wednesday.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/13/
CNBC Transcript: Interview with Carles Puigdemont, President of Catalonia
Friday, 13 May 2016 | 4:52 AM ET

Following are excerpts from a CNBC interview with Julia Chatterley and Carles Puigdemont, President of Catalonia
 
JC: You suggested that the lack of Government in Spain is a concern for Europe. How concerned are people and do you see it as eventually putting the economy at risk?

CP: The political situation in Spain is very surprising and generates worries not only in Spain but in Europe. And I believe that incapacity to govern the complexity and find smart solutions creates many worries and I don't see it as good news for the economy or for the politics in Europe.

JC: Do you think fresh elections at the national level will change anything because the polls look very similar and inconclusive?

CP: The reality, and that's my impression - is that all will remain the same. When it comes to Catalonia, things will be exactly the same and so as a consequence there will be a government that won't be able to make any proposal for a solution in Catalonia. I spoke to the different Spanish political leaders, and none of them gave me the impression that they wanted to move forward.

JC: We'll come back to the question of Catalonia which has clearly been a stumbling block in the coalition forming but do you think acting PM Mariano Rajoy should step down, should he let the PP's have a new leader, fresh perspectives?
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 JC: You say you are in a sovereign mindset. But in actual fact would you accept greater autonomy? Yes or No?

CP: The greatest autonomy that we are ready to accept is the right to decide. That would be greatest act of autonomy. And what the people of Catalonia would decide. If the Spanish state want Catalans to be consulted also on a proposal of more autonomy – or devomax – alongside an independence proposal we agree with that. But we want to be able to choose between the two options. And if the Catalan people chose more autonomy, of course we will respect that. But there would have to be this proposal on the table, and for the moment it doesn't exist. And I doubt very much that it will ever exist.

JC: So if you doubt very much it will ever happen, and we're on around a year in the timeline of your 18 months proposal to I guess some kind of a declaration of unilateral independence…?

CP: No. we are not anticipating for a unilateral declaration of independence. This is not our plan. Our plan is what the Scottish government had with the UK. It's an agreement to consult over the independence of Catalonia. And we will NOT abandon this plan until the end. And we will always invite the Spanish government to seat at the table to negotiate to reach that agreement because it benefits everybody. A unilateral declaration of independence is NOT the best solution, obviously. We keep hoping that we will be able to reach a solution.

JC: Let's move and talk about the UK referendum. What do you think of the prospect of the UK leaving Europe?

CP: The British people have the right to decide have the right to decide whether or not they want to be part of the EU. And I shouldn't interfere in this. I express Catalonia's wish of being in the EU. We'll see what happens. But I notice a paradox: the EU makes huge efforts to avoid the UK leaving while it threatens Catalonia with kicking us out if we declare ourselves independent. To be honest, I am very worried about the possibility of the UK leaving the EU. But of course, like in the case of Catalonia, we have to respect the right to decide of the British people on a relationship that part of the Brits consider is not satisfying enough. We will see what happens. And one final remark: the brexit vote is just 3 days before the Spanish elections and we will see what impact it can have.
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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2016, 02:02:26 PM »
https://twitter.com/hashtag/catalan


'Attack on freedom of expression': #Madrid bans #Catalan flag at football match http://on.rt.com/7d7s
5:25 PM - 20 May 2016


see:
http://theconversation.com/the-rebirth-of-catalan-how-a-once-banned-language-is-thriving-47587
The rebirth of Catalan: how a once-banned language is thriving   
 September 24, 2015 7.00am EDT

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Cultural repression

After the Spanish Civil War ended in 1939, the repression was not only political but cultural too. Catalan institutions were suppressed and Catalan was banned in the school system. Indicative of the new political order were statements from the authorities, the police in particular, such as “Hable el idioma del imperio”: use the language of the empire.

The immediate consequence was that Catalonia lost many of the material resources for the production and reproduction of its culture. The Catalan language lost prestige in comparison with Spanish, and some upper-class Catalans began to start speaking more Spanish.

At the same time, between one and two million people from the south of Spain moved into Catalonia after the 1950s. These migrants were sometimes prejudiced against the Catalan language, not least because many of them did not even know about its existence before coming to Catalonia. Some felt no need to learn Catalan. This is the kind of problem which faces all stateless nations.

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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2016, 12:24:46 PM »
Notice not a mention of the EU  (taxes) in this article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/five-catalans-burned-photos-spanish-king-arrested-131213416.html
Five Catalans who burned photos of Spanish king arrested
December 13, 2016

Barcelona (AFP) - Spanish police have arrested five Catalan independence activists for allegedly burning photos of King Felipe VI after refusing to appear before a judge investigating them, police said Tuesday.

The five, all members of Catalan anti-capitalist party CUP, had been summoned to appear before a judge at the National Audience, Spain's top criminal court, last week but did not show up.

They stand accused of insulting the monarchy, a crime, and of also burning Spanish flags during a rally on Catalonia's national day on September 11.

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Their long-standing demands for greater autonomy have been exacerbated by Spain's recent economic downturn, leaving many resenting the amount of taxes they pay to the central government in Madrid to subsidise poorer regions

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Earlier: (notice the .eu internet domain:

http://www.cataloniavotes.eu/en/government-tests-catalan-treasury-software-with-new-taxes/
Government tests Catalan Treasury software with new taxes
Nov 24 2016


ARA – The new computer programme will handle all taxes in the event of secession

The Catalan government’s capacity to collect tax revenues and keep cash in its coffers will be crucial when secession occurs. A year after IBM won a tender to develop a computer programme for the new Catalan Treasury, the government will test it with the new taxes that are due next year.

Sources within Catalonia’s Finance Ministry have confirmed to this newspaper that the new taxes agreed by pro-independence groups Junts pel Sí (JxSí) and the CUP will be managed by e-Spriu, a much more “cutting-edge” IT system than today’s, with the “capacity” to handle all taxes in the event of independence, including the ones currently managed by Madrid.
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Still, when will the government be in a position to handle all taxes in Catalonia? Our sources claim that “when the time comes, we will be ready” and they openly admit that the exact time will depend on the political circumstances. However, they would not divulge when exactly the new software will be ready to take over the taxes currently managed by Madrid.

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More branches and staff

Information Systems is one of the pillars in the development of Catalonia’s own Treasury because the tax management programme will sort through all the taxpayers’ personal details and will encompass every tax management process that all countries employ to finance their services. The Catalan Treasury is currently developing the regional powers in the run up to the referendum on independence, scheduled to be held in Autumn 2017. New branches will need to be opened to cover the whole country and additional staff will be hired.

While there are nearly four hundred employees working in the Catalan Treasury, the goal is to bring that figure up to eight hundred by the end of next year by adding the staff who handle payments in property registry offices, as well as the managers and inspectors who pass the civil service entrance exams. The challenge for the Treasury is to ensure that tax revenue rises from €2,306m per annum in order to have €4.5 bn in the kitty so as to finance the first few months following independence.
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 01:32:09 PM »

http://theconversation.com/the-rebirth-of-catalan-how-a-once-banned-language-is-thriving-47587
The rebirth of Catalan: how a once-banned language is thriving   
 September 24, 2015 7.00am EDT

...
Cultural repression

After the Spanish Civil War ended in 1939, the repression was not only political but cultural too. Catalan institutions were suppressed and Catalan was banned in the school system. Indicative of the new political order were statements from the authorities, the police in particular, such as “Hable el idioma del imperio”: use the language of the empire.

The immediate consequence was that Catalonia lost many of the material resources for the production and reproduction of its culture. The Catalan language lost prestige in comparison with Spanish, and some upper-class Catalans began to start speaking more Spanish.


There must be a rule book somewhere, when an empire wants to take over a country, the first thing they attack is the language. This was true in Moldova (Russian was imposed on Moldovans), and in Hawaii, where Hawaiian was NOT allowed in public schools. So the language dies... the culture dies... they win. Sickening.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2017, 03:47:48 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-rally-barcelona-catalan-independence-vote-134708781--sow.html
Tens of thousands rally in Barcelona for Catalan independence vote
AFP
June 11, 2017

Barcelona (AFP) - Tens of thousands of demonstrators including Pep Guardiola, the revered former manager of Barcelona's football club, rallied in the city on Sunday to support the Catalonia independence referendum called for October 1.

Carles Puigdemont, leader of Catalonia's regional government, defied Madrid on Friday by setting a date for a binding vote even though the referendum has been ruled illegal by Spain's Constitutional Court.

"We will vote, even if the Spanish state doesn't want it," Guardiola told the crowd speaking in Catalan, Spanish and English.

"There is no other way; the only possible response is to vote," he added.
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Catalonia, a wealthy region of 7.5 million people in northeast Spain, is fiercely proud of its language and customs, and has long demanded greater autonomy from Madrid.
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Catalonia goes to the polls in an incredible moment for democracy
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2017, 01:33:57 PM »
My friend who was as tourist in Spain said to me that almopst million Catalonians on streets demanded