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In light of Paris Attacks, Eu wants to ban some guns...
« on: November 17, 2015, 11:35:22 AM »
Hi I am reaching out to my American brothers over the pond. IN light of the attacks in Paris, the EU is now trying to ban all semi-automatic guns which look like military type rifles. This is in effect a ban akin to New York and California's unconstitutional bans, which fortunately in Europe we have been lucky to not have. However that is changing and we need all the help we can get to write to the Eu commission about this issue.
I leave you two articles, one from UK shooting news and one from the pro-gun Eu organization Firearms United.
 https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/the-eu-will-publish-a-total-semi-auto-rifle-ban-proposal-tomorrow/

http://www.firearms-united.com/europe-gun-law-news/68-after-the-attacks-in-france-ec-wants-restrictions-on-licit-access-to-weapons

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 10:36:09 AM »
You can make a difference by signing this petition to ensure that the EU don't ban "military looking" semi auto rifles

EU : You cannot stop terrorism by restricting legal gun ownership.
https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership
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Re: In light of Paris Attacks, Eu want to ban some guns...
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 11:09:02 AM »


  Signed it.  Only takes a minute.

  Thank you Libertarian Perspective.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 11:18:49 AM »
I just signed it as well ....

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 11:40:35 AM »
Thank you. IN addition it is not the only restriction they are looking for.

-Tighter rules on the online acquisition of firearms, to avoid the acquisition of firearms, key parts or ammunition through the Internet; Even gun parts could be much harder to acquire therefore Europe setting up thier own version of ITAR

-EU common rules on marking of firearms to improve the traceability of weapons; Basically the EU government knows what guns you have so say you visit an anti gun EU country, you might get pulled over and harshly interrogated if you have guns on you, since you will come up on their database.

-Better exchange of information between Member States, for example on any refusal of authorization to own a firearm decided by another national authority, and obligation to interconnect national registers of weapons; Again more tracking more control

-Common criteria concerning alarm weapons (e.g. distress flares and starter pistols)in order to prevent their transformation into fully functioning firearms;Yes they want to license distress flares and things which are not technically firearms, stupid eh?

-Stricter conditions for the circulation of deactivated firearms; They actually want to ban all deacts that look like military firearms, so even harmless pieces of metal sitting on a wall will have to go.
Stricter conditions for collectors to limit the risk of sale to criminals.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 12:28:45 PM »
Here is what they want to do:
The European Commission seeks new restrictions on firearms
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/2015-articles/EU-new-proposal-restrictions-firearms/
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2015, 12:23:59 PM »
Breibart have picked up on this story. I am surprised more american news outlets especially GOA and NRA are not reporting this news.
Europe’s Reaction To Gun Control’s Failure To Stop Paris Attack? More Gun Control
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/20/europes-reaction-gun-controls-failure-stop-paris-attack-gun-control/

Correction, here is the NRA-ila article:
Brussels Pushes Gun Control in Wake of Paris Attacks
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151120/brussels-pushes-gun-control-in-wake-of-paris-attacks

Here is the petition to stop this impending gun ban. Some of us Europeans will not give up their guns even if the police know where they are, especially in my case. They will have my guns, bullets first!
https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 03:23:46 AM »
Another article about the coming ban
European Commission: gun bans, lies, and a call to action
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/2015-news/European-Commission-gun-ban-open-poll-lies/
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 02:27:39 PM »
The EU paper from yesterday goes even beyond the EU Gunban

https://www.facebook...911852108907464
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2015, 06:43:38 PM »
Apparently this guy is friends with Kevin de Leon, since he seems to think 3 rounds amounts to 31 bullets. Wtf?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RsIK8zB-9c
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2015, 07:12:51 PM »
Very good video by a collaboration of the Maltese and Italian shooting associations detailing what the proposal is and why they oppose it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AteW2cdXtcM&feature=share
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2015, 12:39:54 PM »
A very important document I want people to share on all forums and also make it as their basis when writing emails to MEPs opposing the firearms ban. Written by FARE Independent Consultants in the field of Firearms and Ammunition. Stright from the experts' mouth:
GUN BANS DON'T WORK!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5k9c9vz7vdqj5bb/Document%20from%20FARE%20regarding%20proposed%20EU%20firearms%20legislation.pdf?dl=0
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 01:12:51 AM »
You cans ee that David Cameron works for the New World Order. Terrorists go on rampage with illegal firearms but he wants to take them away from law abiding people? Give me a break!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35086934
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2015, 09:43:52 AM »
EU gun ban: a new attack from Britain

https://www.all4shoo...ngdom-proposal/
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 10:02:22 AM »
Where we are on this issue. Article from al4shooters. It is clear that us in Europe we are winning, we're not giving up our guns and the EU is scared of that.
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/EU-restrictions-status-report/
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2016, 01:26:49 PM »
The latest meeting and debate in the Civil Liberties Committee of the EU on the 14/01/2016. The debate on the new gun laws starts at 1:50:00. It is clear from all the speakers that the majority understand that this will do nothing to stop terrorism and that it is only an attack on legitimate hunting and sports shooters, some went as far as to say it is an ideological attack by the ones who don't like to see the people owning guns (Finnish MEP).

Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs - meeting 14/01/2016 (PM)
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160106IPR09167/Committee-on-Civil-Liberties-Justice-and-Home-Affairs-meeting-14012016-%28PM%29
So good news all in all.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2016, 07:55:52 PM »
The EU bureaucrats just took a massive dump on the European people if this source is to be believed:
Firearms United issues an update on the EU gun ban

https://www.all4shoo...un-Ban-ongoing/
Not only are they doubling down and will blatantly lie and use false statistics, now because we dared to complain, they now want all us gunowners to undertake mandatory psychological checks, since according to them if we are this angry about the proposal we must be psychologically imbalanced and shouldn't be anywhere near guns.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 05:00:58 PM »
Latest documents and discussions concerning the EU Proposal
Debate in the EU Parliament
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160218IPR14978/Committee-on-the-Internal-Market-and-Consumer-Protection

Proposed changes to Firearms Directive
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=COMPARL&reference=PE-577.045&secondRef=01&language=EN

One little problematic bit is that it seems to want to exclude semi auto firearms but it seems that they would wish it to limit it to a 6 rounds magazine capacity. This is problematic since like the SAFE act in New York, there are very few semi automatic guns designed to not accept more than 7 rounds, therefore it would be a de facto ban on most semi autos.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2016, 07:52:54 AM »
Now it seems that they have backed down from the total semi auto ban but now want to license "high capacity" (eg more than 10 rounds) magazines and have them registered like in New York and Connecticut.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%2BCOMPARL%2BPE-576.870%2B01%2BDOC%2BPDF%2BV0%2F%2FEN
"In Category B, the following point is added: "7a.Magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds""

I guess the real good news is that European shooters are not willing for the government to shaft them anymore and are starting to use an organization called WFSA(The World Forum on Shooting Activities) created some time ago and transforming it into a US style NRA which will campaign for general gun rights and gun ownership not just the rights of sports shooters and hunters. Look at the article below and notice its officials are openly accusing the Commission of falsifying data and trying to disarm Europe. The gloves have come off and are calling them out for what they are
WFSA: the plenary reunion of the 20th anniversary
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/culture/WFSA-the-plenary-reunion-of-the-20th-anniversary/

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Re: In light of Paris Attacks, Eu want to ban some guns...
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2016, 08:40:12 AM »
In light of Paris Attacks, Eu wants to ban some guns ...

but NOT ban the people who pull the trigger?

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2016, 09:56:53 AM »
Oh at the minute all the legislation proposed will only affect the law abiding gun owners not the illegal trafficking of firearms which is rife in the Balkans. You see it is much harder to legislate against people who don't register their guns and who don't follow the law.
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2016, 01:10:38 PM »
The Eu are being very sneaky, while in official channels they are saying that a "military looking" semi auto ban is not in place, official documents seem to indicate that no amendments have been made to correct this and in fact now official documents talk about all semi auto firearms being affected by the ban, not just "military looking" semi autos. The only exception will be people serving in official country designated defence forces or reservists, so basically the EU will allow some territorial army units only to keep semi automatic firearms. Anyway read the article below and see what you make of it

Did the EU just give up on its gun ban plans? Not really!
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/EU-Gun-Ban-update-March-2016/?p=1
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2016, 10:03:44 AM »
It seems that the cat is now out of the bag and confiscation without compensation is being discussed in relation to this Firearms Directive. This is actually good since it will unite the pro-gun lobby and expose the real agenda of the Commission.
EU gun ban: the Commission wants confiscation without compensation

https://www.all4shoo...t-compensation/
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 02:29:14 PM »
Some disturbing information has come out in relation to where ISIS managed to get their guns in the French attacks. I am going to be quoting a Romanian article and this is the google translation, you will be left speechless by the admission

"On the trail of terror weapons in Europe

https://translate.go...t-text=&act=url

There is a very worrying paragraph:

""But Hermant has an excuse. He told investigators was that, since 2014, it buy weapons with the knowledge of the French Gendarmerie, to document a circle of arms dealers. Hermant has sold weapons to Samir L., an underworld figure in Roubaix, and asked its contacts police to let him sell more weapons this dubious individual. They agreed. Police admitted that Harm had official status of "informer" since 2013. When the police officer charged with overseeing Harm was quizzed about the failure verify the final destination of the weapons, he said: "I care 30 informants, it's complicated. " Another customer's Hermant was a Belgian Patrick Halluent. He was also on the guest list from AFG, where he bought a second Ceska VZ 58, who came to the terrorist Coulibaly However, a piece of the story is missing: how weapons from Hermant came from these intermediaries to Coulibaly."

Yes it wasn't a typo, you have just read correct. The french government just allowed a french dealer to sell guns to ISIS for "traceability", isn't this the same excuse they used during Fast and Furious?
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2016, 04:20:15 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2016, 03:45:05 PM »
Oh look, the French Interior minister has been anti-gun ownership all along, he was just looking for the right incident to push his disarmament agenda.
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/EU-Gun-Ban-French-Ministry-Internal-Affairs-responsibility/
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2016, 10:01:43 AM »
That didn't take long after the Brussels attacks did it?
https://www.facebook.com/firearmsuk.org/posts/1214571728552870

They want to rush the proposal through now since terrorist attacks happened with bombs, they want to have stricter legislation on firearms, makes sense, NOT!
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2016, 01:06:49 PM »
EU gun ban: British hopes, Polish lies, French betrayal
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/EU-gun-ban-Vicky-Ford-draft/?p=1
European gun owners are winning but there are still dangers from lying politicians Cazenueve and Bienkowska and from shooting organizations like Comite Guillame Tell, shooting enthusiasts must hold this organization to their words and ask why they are backing anti-gun draconian proposals for semi auto bans.

Also commission lying about Firearms United backing the proposals which is complete rubbish. They have published numerous studies showing the lies told by the commission as well as formally adopting a petition from Polish shooters against the proposals which gathered more than 300,000 signatures
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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2016, 12:21:09 PM »
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/08/grassroots-movement-stands-eu-move-ban-hunting-firearms-brussels-attack/
It is clear that the EU Commission do not like when their subjects (EU citizens) stand up to them and try to say that legal guns are also used in accidents and massacres so we must ban the semi automatic ones. It is pure rubbish!
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2016, 10:34:55 AM »
Finally a first major victory by EU gun owners against the Eu Commission. Most anti-gun proposals THROWN OUT!
http://firearms-united.com/2016/05/10/eugunban-finally-victory-libe/
"- Deactivated firearms are going to stay license free
- Collectors are excluded from directive
- Proposal to register magazines was thrown out
- Additional extortion tax for firearms and ammo proposed by socialists was thrown out
- Magazines are not essential parts
- No need to put serial numbers on bullets
- States can still sell surplus weapons to civilians
- Persons under 18 can still shoot/possess firearms under parental/license-holder supervision
- No mandatory medical testing
- Silencers are not essential parts
- Permits wont be fixed length
- Nothing is banned or moved to category A.
- Member states can define whatever they think is safe storage
- There is going to be joint database on firearms.

(of course, this was only the first battle in EU Parliament)""
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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2016, 11:16:35 AM »
It seems the Dutch EU Presidency is going for broke. They are insane!
EU gun ban: FACE's press release attacks the Dutch Presidency
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/law/EU-gun-ban-FACE-press-release/
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