Brainwashed Malthusian Zombies Parrot OVERPOPULATION MYTH on a Truth Forum

[WhiteWitch]

In fact, it is advised to exercise caution with consumption of brazil nuts, as the selenium intake may reach to toxic level.

In fact this information is wrong. As the selenium found in brazil nuts when organically grown is not toxic, it is selenium compounds such as sodium selenite that are..
Your info is coming from big pharma..

[grapecrusher1]

In fact this information is wrong. As the selenium found in brazil nuts when organically grown is not toxic, it is selenium compounds such as sodium selenite that are..
Your info is coming from big pharma..

what sources do you recommend? or supplements?

[donnay]

Selenomethionine is great.  Widely used in beer and wine making, it is selenium yeast.

Selenium is an essential mineral in human nutrition. Selenium Yeast is a natural dietary selenium supplement with clinically proven physiological value in improving the selenium status in man.

Selenium is a known anti oxidant and is an essential component of Glutathione peroxidase enzyme, which inactivates tree radicals.

Selenium is required in thyroid metabolism while converting active thyroid hormone (14) into the inactive thyroid hormone (13).

lnactivates heavy metals, especially mercury, lead and cadmium.

Selenium Yeast is reported to protect against radiation damage, even it given after exposure.

A maternal selenium intake of 500-750 micrograms in the form of Selenium Yeast is a safe daily intake, adequate for infant and maternal needs. This is based on a study on selenium status of exclusively breast fed infants as influenced by maternal organic (Selenium Yeast) or non-organic (selenite) supplementation in 200 lactating women in Finland.

Source:  http://www.nutriteck.com/bulk/selenium.html

[WhiteWitch]

If you want safe selenium then you will find it in the foods listed above, provided they were grown in selenium rich soils.

The states are generally quite high in it, especially Northern Nebraska and the Dakotas. Southern America is obviously high in it too.

Food grown in China, Russia, Australia, New Zealand and Europe are much lower in selenium, and if your food comes from any of these places, or the following areas of the States; The Pacific Northwest, parts of the Great Lakes region and east of it toward New England and Parts of the Atlantic Coast, then you would need supplements. These supplements should be food sourced, so selenomethionine or selenocysteine only, and should never be taken alone, as this mineral works in conjunction with vitamin E and some others. It is supplementing it alone that causes problems. These co factors are present in the food, so when supplementing, these co factors need to be considered.


But as you can see, a much larger percentage of the planet has little to no selenium in its soil anymore at all. What little is left will only hold out so long and the Americas will become the primary source, shortening the time it will take to use that up too.

And please dont forget, Selenium is just an example of one mineral that this is already happening to. This can just as easily happen to other nutrients as well. We cant manufacture vitamins in labs, big pharma tried it and unleashed the host of synthetic vitamin isolates and mineral salts on us that cause so many problems today.. So we need to start thinking about being responsible for our actions..

And Donnay, I know you've been on mercola.com.. See what it says there about sodium selenite..
 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/12/18/brazil-nuts.aspx

NON ORGANIC VITAMINS AND MINERALS ARE NOT THE SAME AS FOOD SOURCE. They are missing bits or have bits added in order to make them patentable.. When this molecular change happens, the nutrient becomes useless to the human body.

I repeat, sodium selenite and sodium selenate are big pharma's products.. They are not the selenium required by out bodies and should NOT be consumed, especially in large doses.

[donnay]

And Donnay, I know you've been on mercola.com.. See what it says there about sodium selenite..
 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/12/18/brazil-nuts.aspx

I am glad I feed my dog raw organics.  I also give him flax seed oil and diatomaceious earth--daily.  But, I must admit, I had no idea about the Brazil nuts!  Guess I will definitely be putting that on my list to get him to eat.  Thanks!

[WhiteWitch]

I am glad I feed my dog raw organics.  I also give him flax seed oil and diatomaceious earth--daily.  But, I must admit, I had no idea about the Brazil nuts!  Guess I will definitely be putting that on my list to get him to eat.  Thanks!

No problem.. Studying nutrition saved my life and has left me free of pharmaceutical drugs or health complaints for several years now. At worst I get a little cold or flu when Im feeling run down, but its short lived, and in some ways necessary if were too look at the "use it or lose it" argument for the immune system..

And related to that, but slightly off topic, or maybe it is on topic, Im not sure;

One of the other factors causing reduced immunity in humans now is the overuse of biocides.. "Killing 99.99% of bacteria on every surface!" that prat Paltrow and her whiney gimp of a boyfriend Coldplay head wont let anyone near their precious Apple without sanitizing their hands first.. Whats gonna happen the first time that child goes out in public, or mixes with other kids? Total overwhelming of the immune system by foreign pathogens..

You see this is why education is so important.. And also balance, theres a lot to be said for hand sterilisation in hospitals and care homes for the elderly, or after touching something really covered in nasties, but killing off 99.99% of bacteria on every surface is insane.. Some of those bacteria arent so bad.. I guess this push for an all sterile environment may be another tool of the NWOs of lowering our immunity so we do succumb to their carefully orchestrated plagues..

BTW, Im off to bed now, I have to get up in 7 and a half hours for work, so if I dont reply its not me running away, Im just in a different time zone!!

[citizenx]

Health nuts for the eugenics movement.  I don't know whether to cry or laugh.

We'll see what happens I guess.

If I recall correctly, Hitler was a non-smoking, tee-totaling vegetarian who was very concerned with cancer (all the Nazi's were).

It's making me want a Big Mac just to spite y'all.

[attietewd]

[And I dunno what the "they shoot horses dont they" comment was about.. Im not advocating forced sterilization or anything like that, merely suggesting we teach our kids about responsibility from a younger age.. You would not believe how many girls in my country have babies just to get on the housing list, and have more just to jump to a higher priority spot on that list.. That kind of stuff is not gonna benefit the child now is it?/size]

Do you have any kids?  Do you have any kids in the school system?  Do you know that the freakin psychos have messed with our educational system?  Thanks to them our kids are getting a real debased education in sex.  Thanks to them, our girls are developing at 8 years old.  Thanks to them, abortion is being used as a birth control without parents consent.  Thanks to them we can see partial nudity, sex acts, deviant behavior on tv or hear it in music 24/7.  We can dress our little girls like tiny women and makeup like bratz dolls so they look like hookers.  There is not one aspect of life they do not have their slimy talons stuck in.  Until you realize who and what we are up against...you cannot change anything.  Because in order to change it you have to teach your kids the truth and shut off the tube! Sure the school can tell our kids how to have sex, or that it is ok, and where to get an abortion or condoms without telling us the parents...THEY DON'T LOVE THEM!  They don't care.  It's all about money..... but I DO love my kids enough to tell them the truth.  That is where a person has to start....and its a battle, us against every media outlet, program, commercial, music and school.  I believe peer pressure was another one of their creations.  Manipulation

[Freeski]

I doubt they "created" peer pressure, but they sure do milk it!

[attietewd]

 

[Freeski]

God.
Us.
Them.

We decide, not them.

[Dig]

They shoot horses don't they?

And I dunno what the "they shoot horses dont they" comment was about.. Im not advocating forced sterilization or anything like that, merely suggesting we teach our kids about responsibility from a younger age.. You would not believe how many girls in my country have babies just to get on the housing list, and have more just to jump to a higher priority spot on that list.. That kind of stuff is not gonna benefit the child now is it?

History Repeats...

[NOTE: I am trying to find the screenplay...a subplot throughout the entire movie is that people should not have children because the depression is going on. That was originally the purpose of my comment]

They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
1935 Novel...1969 Movie
http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article.jsp?cid=151877&mainArticleId=151863

   
It's no secret that modern culture has a strong voyeuristic streak, often focused on public competition and humiliation-think Jerry Springer and Survivor, for just two examples. A few decades ago, this morbid fascination found a popular outlet in dance marathons, wherein a roomful of couples would dance (or shuffle, or wobble, or just try to stay vertical) until they literally dropped, hoping to win a cash prize or at least 15 minutes of meager fame.

Although dance marathons have existed for centuries, they were all the rage during the Depression years, when many unemployed Americans found participating in these Social Darwinist exhibitions no more onerous than other forms of grunt labor for getting three meals a day and maybe some pocket money at the end of the ordeal, which typically lasted for weeks and even months of painful, nerve-killing toil.

They Shoot Horses, Don't They?, directed by Sydney Pollack in 1969, is the Gone with the Wind (1939) of dance-marathon movies. Based on a 1935 novel by Horace McCoy, it gave Jane Fonda her serious-acting breakthrough as Gloria, a cynical cookie who enters a California marathon as a way of staving off poverty until her totally unpromising movie career gets going. When her partner gets disqualified for health reasons, she latches onto a young man named Robert (Michael Sarrazin), who just wandered in to watch for a while. Soon they're trudging around the dance floor with a motley crew of competitors including a wannabe Hollywood star named Alice (Susannah York), an aging Navy man called Sailor (Red Buttons), and a working-class stiff (Bruce Dern) and his pregnant wife (Bonnie Bedelia), who actually won a marathon once. A smooth-talking emcee named Rocky, played with tragicomic brilliance by Gig Young, presides over the show.

And a show it is, rather than a genuine contest. Gloria and Robert learn this the hard way, when Rocky reveals that he ruined Alice's pretty dress so she'll look as wretched as the audience expects her to. As another way of boosting the marathon's sadistic visual appeal, Rocky interrupts the day-to-day drudgery of ordinary dancing with special "derbies" of high-speed walking, ousting the three couples who come in last. This eliminates the herd's weakest members and pleases the paying spectators by making the entrants look even more ridiculous and pathetic than usual.

McCoy's book was best received in Europe, where it was seen as one of the first American novels to reflect the existentialist ideas-viewing life as essentially absurd and purposeless-then gaining ground among philosophers and writers. Credit goes to the filmmakers for following the story's grim outlook to its logical conclusion, ending it on a note of dismal violence (foreshadowed in stylized flash-forward scenes) that Hollywood has never surpassed for sheer bleakness. Only in the adventurous 1960s era would mainstream production outfits like ABC and Palomar Pictures expect to earn their money back with such a downbeat conclusion.

McCoy knew the dance-marathon scene first hand. After stints as a sports journalist and pulp-mystery writer, he headed to Hollywood in the early 1930s for an acting career, which ended almost as soon as it began. He got the idea for a story about marathon dancers while working as a bouncer at a Santa Monica amusement pier. He went on to a long screenwriting career, specializing in westerns and crime dramas, but the two major movies adapted from his books--They Shoot Horses, Don't They? and the 1950 James Cagney vehicle Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye--bear out his reputation as quite a gloomy novelist.

The strongest asset of They Shoot Horses, Don't They? is its casting, especially of the Gloria and Rocky characters. Fonda wasn't crazy about the script, but her then-husband Roger Vadim was among the many French left-wingers who admired the novel, so she signed on. She was surprised when director Pollack solicited her creative ideas about the story's underlying issues, and he was probably surprised by the thoughtfulness of the responses he got from an actress known mainly for comedy and sex-kitten roles in pictures like Cat Ballou (1965) and Barbarella (1968). She and Buttons decided to get a taste of the subject matter by dancing to exhaustion, but she reports in her 2005 memoir My Life So Far that she was hallucinating after a mere two days. In any case, she credits the seriousness of her work in this project for encouraging a new sense of independence and self-reliance that paid large dividends in her personal and political life.

Pollock was apparently worried that Young would be too lightweight as Rocky, preferring gravel-voiced Lionel Stander for the role. Young himself was hesitant when he got the offer from a former agent who'd moved over to ABC's feature-film division. But fear of departing from his usual romantic-comedy mold faded when he realized what he could do with the role. It earned him a deserved Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor-perhaps because the film's depictions of self-destructive people struck a chord with his own weaknesses of alcoholism, hypochondria, and drug abuse.

Pollack also benefited greatly from the project, which cemented his position as an A-list director-and a daring one, not afraid of confining a whole feature film to a single setting that's as sleazy as it is claustrophobic. In a characteristic review, Pauline Kael of The New Yorker said that while Pollack wasn't an "imaginative" or "inventive" filmmaker, he staged the derby material "terrifyingly well" and "kept the grisly central situation going with...special energy and drive." Kael also trumpeted Fonda as the potential Bette Davis of the '70s, possessing "the true star's gift of drawing one to her emotionally even when the character she plays is repellent."

Kael was right about the derby scenes, which still carry cringe-inducing power, and almost right about Fonda, who continued to mature as an actress despite counterproductive projects and career moves. Seen today, They Shoot Horses, Don't They? remains a fascinating and troubling film, etching many haunting characters while spotlighting the dark side of capitalism and memorializing a Depression-era fad that has fortunately died away. By popularizing the title of McCoy's novel, it also gave American argot a catch-phrase that's as recognizable today as when the movie first caught on. Not many pictures can boast as much.


http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.jsp?stid=22801&category=Full Synopsis

During the Depression, while awaiting execution for the murder of an acquaintance, Robert Syverton recalls the circumstances of the crime. Wandering on an amusement pier beside the Pacific Ocean, he recalls when, as a child, he witnessed the destruction of a favourite horse. Robert is then attracted to a dance marathon about to begin in the dilapidated Aragon Ballroom. As he watches, a contestant is disqualified because of an ominous cough. Pressed by the man's aggressive partner, cynical Gloria Beatty, host Rocky recruits Robert as a substitute. Among the throngs competing for the prize are a middle-aged sailor suffering from heart trouble; aspirant actress Alice and her partner, Joel; an impoverished farm worker, James, and his pregnant wife, Ruby; and other destitute couples.

As the marathon continues the weaker pairs are quickly eliminated, while the vulnerabilities of the stronger contestants are observed and exploited by the master of ceremonies. The theft of Alice's alternate gown stimulates mutual suspicion. After observing Alice and Robert together, Gloria takes Joel as her partner. Joel, however, receives a job offer and quits the role. Gloria's next partner is the sailor. To rekindle the spectators' enthusiasm Rocky stages a series of derbies in which the exhausted contestants, clad in track suits, must circle the floor. In these races the last three couples are eliminated. As Gloria and the sailor participate, her partner has a heart attack. Undeterred, she lifts the man to her back and crosses the finish line. Horrified, Alice sequesters herself in the shower, where she suffers a mental breakdown. Robert and Gloria are again partners. Inspired, Rocky suggests that they marry during the marathon. When Gloria refuses, the host reveals the contest's fraudulent nature. From the prize will be deducted numerous expenses, leaving the winner with nothing. Rocky boasts that he stole Alice's dress to excite spectator interest and to stimulate the rivalrous instincts of the contestants. Disgusted with this duplicity, the couple departs. Outside Gloria attempts to shoot herself, but she cannot pull the trigger. When she requests his help Robert obliges. Questioned by the police as to the motive for the murder, Robert can only say, "They shoot horses, don't they?" Meanwhile, the marathon continues.

[Dig]

Notice how all the "reality" shows are really just a more technical form of those dance contests from the depressed 1930's which were just about crimes against humanity to distract the slaves.

[Freeski]

Notice how all the "reality" shows are really just a more technical form of those dance contests from the depressed 1930's which were just about crimes against humanity to distract the slaves.

They're more sophisticated than ever, and they have unlimited budgets!

How are we not royally screwed?

[Dig]

They're more sophisticated than ever, and they have unlimited budgets!

How are we not royally screwed?

because we can smell their bullshit a mile away. let everyone know that the morons in those shows are nothing more than dance contestants in the movie They Shoot Horses Dojn't They.

Watch the movie and you will never see another reality show the same way again.

[Freeski]

because we can smell their bullshit a mile away. let everyone know that the morons in those shows are nothing more than dance contestants in the movie They Shoot Horses Dojn't They.

Watch the movie and you will never see another reality show the same way again.

But I'm already watching another movie!

Stefan Molyneux on "How To Win a Poltical Argument" (2009) -- arguing against violent coercion as the cornerstone of governance:

Seriously though, I will watch your damned movie. There's no end to it!

[Dig]

But I'm already watching another movie!

Stefan Molyneux on "How To Win a Poltical Argument" (2009) -- arguing against violent coercion as the cornerstone of governance:

Seriously though, I will watch your damned movie. There's no end to it!

hehehe I got 10 more in the back burner when you are ready.

[Freeski]

hehehe I got 10 more in the back burner when you are ready.

It's endless!

Just when you think you have it all figured out, WHAMO!

[agentbluescreen]

Eugenics and Environmentalism: From quality control to quantity control
http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/eugenics_and_environmentalism.htm
Old-Thinker News | April 30, 2008

By Daniel Taylor

Has eugenics faded away with time, or has the pseudo science morphed and cloaked itself under new auspices? Were some of the original founders of population control efforts themselves eugenicists? How and when did eugenicists shift from Galton era ideals to Malthusian population control? The history of eugenics is incredibly detailed and expansive, but there are certain issues that are not given as much attention as others. This article attempts to answer these questions and provide a wider perspective on these important issues.

From quality control to quantity control

While there are examples of eugenics still in practice in its pre WWII form, eugenicists were forced to scale back rhetoric and reframe their ideas in the post WWII world. Hitler's actions embarrassed eugenicists in America enough for them to at least publicly change their ideas.

GREAT article - now we have ended our "failure to communicate"  


But unfortunately now I must grant you that all the guys with all money, property and power are digging themselves luxurious bomb shelters, trying to get any world war they can going, fostering global totalitarianism and polishing-up their shiny Neutron Bombs....

What can we all together, get together and all try to fairly and constructively DO ABOUT IT?

Things all closely and certainly related to population growths certainly have got to change somehow. Is this going to take a global thermonuclear war, global French revolution, or is there another, peaceful fair and reasonable way?

[Freeski]

GREAT article - now we have ended our "failure to communicate" 


But unfortunately now I must grant you that all the guys with all money and power are digging themselves luxurious bomb shelters, trying to get any world war they can going and polishing-up their shiny Neutron Bombs....

What can we all together get together and DO ABOUT IT?

Things certainly have got to change somehow

Just keep educating ourselves and waking others up. That's all we can do, but we will win in the end!

[agentbluescreen]

Just keep educating ourselves and waking others up. That's all we can do, but we will win in the end!

Right now it looks more like the best we can hope to "win" (by fighting over it) will be something like the two Orwellian planets on Star Trek fighting eternal "war games" on computers with each other and making excess people chosen as "casualties" report to vaporization chambers after each simulated "engagement"...  

because the alternatives are simply too ghastly

[attietewd]

EXPOSE EXPOSE EXPOSE.....Bring what they do into the light of day.  yell from the housetops what they do in secret....and pray they fail at every turn.  Less vaccines, good eating, educate kids or family members and friends of the truth, not falling for the false science, medical and educational crap.  Be aware of what bills are being pushed through the senate....write your congressman....Recognize them when they try to hide behind "helping humanity" or "it's for the children" or we have to fight those big bad "terrorists" etc etc.  It's always about power and money.  I know it doesn't sound like much....but the more that know the truth, the harder it will be for the scumbags to get away with it.  Just my opinion, but if you can see it now because of what Dig posted, others will too.  That's what it takes. Truth.

[Freeski]

EXPOSE EXPOSE EXPOSE.....Bring what they do into the light of day.  yell from the housetops what they do in secret....and pray they fail at every turn.  Less vaccines, good eating, educate kids or family members and friends of the truth, not falling for the false science, medical and educational crap.  Be aware of what bills are being pushed through the senate....write your congressman....Recognize them when they try to hide behind "helping humanity" or "it's for the children" or we have to fight those big bad "terrorists" etc etc.  It's always about power and money.  I know it doesn't sound like much....but the more that know the truth, the harder it will be for the scumbags to get away with it.  Just my opinion, but if you can see it now because of what Dig posted, others will too.  That's what it takes. Truth.

And always call them on their bullshit to their face!

[agentbluescreen]

EXPOSE EXPOSE EXPOSE.....Bring what they do into the light of day.  yell from the housetops what they do in secret....and pray they fail at every turn.  Less vaccines, good eating, educate kids or family members and friends of the truth, not falling for the false science, medical and educational crap.  Be aware of what bills are being pushed through the senate....write your congressman....Recognize them when they try to hide behind "helping humanity" or "it's for the children" or we have to fight those big bad "terrorists" etc etc.  It's always about power and money.  I know it doesn't sound like much....but the more that know the truth, the harder it will be for the scumbags to get away with it.  Just my opinion, but if you can see it now because of what Dig posted, others will too.  That's what it takes. Truth.

But it is not "false" science ot is true science the very "political science" of the politics of property and economics that formed the unforseen, inevitably flawed long term result of the entrenched property rights that are granted by the essential basis of the Constitution.

When people own stuff (critical resources) others can't have it or force them to give it up.

Even the right to reflective growth-increasing proportional representation (numbers of voters per Senator and Congressmen) is thus deeply flawed by this mistake.

[attietewd]

The problem is they (elite) pervert everything they get their hands on.  Education Science and medicine of all things for them to mess with, now our  food stuffs and even the weather.  I have read articles about agenda 21 and what it's plans are.  I saw a website that George Soros backed, I can't remember its dang name, but it was about rural America and how they should use local folks as an example (meet and greet committee) where they used a video as an educational tool to teach the moles about infiltrating small rural communities and how to sound and act like one of the local folk.  It made me sick. They are diabolical.  They will stop at nothing. It was nothing but hypocrisy.  If what they do is so innocent, then why do they lie and sneak around? It's because if they came out with what they are doing right up front, they'd have been tarred and feathered a long time ago.  Even from changing their cause of Eugenics.  It's now called "family planning."  They hijack everything they can get their hands on and then pervert it to the nth degree.

October 28, 2009
UN Agenda 21 - Coming to a Neighborhood near You
By Scott Strzelczyk and Richard Rothschild

Most Americans are unaware that one of the greatest threats to their freedom may be a United Nations program known as Agenda 21. The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Division for Sustainable Development created Agenda 21 as a sustainability agenda which is arguably an amalgamation of socialism and extreme environmentalism brushed with anti-American, anti-capitalist overtones. 

Most Americans will remain unaware of the implications of smart growth and Agenda 21 until after it is promulgated in their own backyards. Ironically, these plans are more insidious than the Eminent Domain ruling  by the Supreme Court in the case of Kelo v City of New London. Under Eminent Domain rulings, property owners usually receive compensation for their losses.


Conversely, smart growth municipal plans, required by statute, enable municipalities to change zoning laws and engage in other regulatory actions that devalue property, restrict off-conveyances, and otherwise erode property values without payment of any compensation to the property owner.   

Smart growth has another interesting unintended consequence: it can disrupt conventional alliances and lead to strange political bedfellows. Rural urbanization plans may raise the ire of environmental groups while simultaneously stirring the wrath of both conservative and liberal residents that want to maintain the rural fabric of their communities. Conversely, developers, sensing opportunity, may side with government smart growth bureaucrats in support of these plans.

Regardless of political orientation, two indisputable facts remain. Agenda 21 is a direct assault on private property rights and American sovereignty, and it is coming to a neighborhood near you.

FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html

[attietewd]

sorry if that was off topic.

[agentbluescreen]

sorry if that was off topic.

Not at all but i object to the rather queer notion that it is "un American", We all put the Indians through it (for them, as it turns out) now it's our turn...

Kinda like "Welcome to the FEMA Reservation, you terrorists"...

They're getting great training on "terrorists with guns" in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The more you look at the whole picture, the more in bed you end up - with Karl Marx.

[attietewd]

I didn't put Indians through anything.  Neither did you.  It's more of the false guilt we don't deserve.  I have some Blackfoot Indian in me.  Once again, you will find the slimebags fingerprints all over that topic.  Wherever there was a dollar to be made or someone to be had, they were there.  But they never keep the guilt.

[Dig]

GREAT article - now we have ended our "failure to communicate"  


But unfortunately now I must grant you that all the guys with all money, property and power are digging themselves luxurious bomb shelters, trying to get any world war they can going, fostering global totalitarianism and polishing-up their shiny Neutron Bombs....

What can we all together, get together and all try to fairly and constructively DO ABOUT IT?

Things all closely and certainly related to population growths certainly have got to change somehow. Is this going to take a global thermonuclear war, global French revolution, or is there another, peaceful fair and reasonable way?

IMO, people need to take whatever personal precautions that work for them. it is an individual thing and there is a room dedicated to survival, alternative health, alt energy, etc. for those discussions. I believe there needs to be a balance with the exposure of what they are doing and I think that exposing them is likely to get them to do what they always do...run like the cockroaches they are. I mean they can no longer even dream of justifying the wholesale rape of the constitution, magna carta, cyrus' code of human rights.

Wars are won in the temple before any battle ever starts -Sun Tzu

We are in a virtual "temple" of sorts. It is being compromised every day illegally by the elite psychos who canot stand just having a straight conversation so they need to illegally control every communication. I think even with their illegal activities they are losing and the more vocal we are the quicker they will stop being genocidal maniacs.

[Viper]

I think even with their illegal activities they are losing and the more vocal we are the quicker they will stop being genocidal maniacs.

Yes their illegal activities alone make them losers, but in the big picture, the kinda way of looking at things that would make God himself proud, having lost their human spirit's makes them the more lost.
I don't suppose ANYONE is immune to the real truth and feeling real compassion, ok with some it may take all your life but the principal remains.

[mr anderson]

I say they should be renewed in carousel!

Your overdue for a Carousel reference! I demand one.. 

[WhiteWitch]

Wow you guys are unbelievable.. By swallowing the line of "there's plenty of minerals left in our soil" you fall for the Codex Alimentarius party line. The one doctors spew at us daily when they say our food is an adequate source of all nutrients and that there's no extra benefit from organic.. And they got that line from big pharma who don't want you to be healthy because then their profits will suffer (as will their attempt to wipe us all out) You do realise that the RDA for most vitamins and minerals is merely enough to avoid obvious deficiency with a small safety margin, it's not enough to obtain the health benefits of each vitamin or mineral. 

I have pointed out here that we should preserve our nutrients on this planet so that we don't all become malnourished and you make statements like "Hitler was a non smoking veggie who was obsessed with cancer" and "health nuts for eugenics".. I'm looking for a way to preserve life, not destroy it, where do you get off??

If anything it is you guys who are obsessed with eugenics, you're the only ones posting it on this thread.. And yet you're naive enough to swallow the NWOs UN/Codex line about our soil being fine and synthetic nutrients being just as good as organic? Can you not see how you're getting so caught up in the conspiracy you're missing the big fat lie? I'm all for exposing the truth, but I gotta say, your attempts are quite narrow sighted.. Your digestive system is your closest relationship to the world around you, it's only 1 cell thick, your skin has 3 primary layers and the outermost layer is made up of seven more.. So your food and the quality of that food is critical to your survival. ain't no use worrying about someone using eugenics when you're happy to sacrifice your nutrition in favour of a conspiracy theory..

Get your facts straight. Seriously.. It's like reading the symptoms of being a psychopath online and going around diagnosing it in everyone you see.. Internet know it alls. Try getting some proper information, and a knowledge of how it works before you start espousing it. I can't claim to know about the US constitution, I haven't studied it, same way you have proven you know very little about nutrition and how it is used to mess with us.. It's dangerous to think you know everything, because it makes us blind to the reality that we really know nothing at all..

Attietewd I already stated up thread that I don't have kids because I have asked those difficult questions of myself and I don't think I'm fully kitted out for the job yet. There's some stuff I wanna get sorted first.. But I appreciate where you are coming from with the corruption of children by the media, and the poor quality of education in our schools.. The sex ed I'm afraid is a double edged sword.. They gave us catholic sex ed in school, from a woman who told us nothing really, opposed contraception and basically said "when and man and woman love each other very much they get married and have babies".. No details.. We were 11-13 years old, within the next 3-6 years, a huge percentage of the girls in my class were pregnant (and single).
The fact of the matter there is that they're gonna do it, their hormones and instincts tell them to, y'know, survival instinct, procreation a necessity.. Teenagers are on heat pretty much! If they're gonna do it, they need to be able to make informed choices, and not get up the duff by accident when they can barely take care of themselves never mind a baby.. So you can argue the sex ed puts ideas in their heads or you can chalk it up to hormones, you realise girls are reaching sexual maturity earlier because of phytoestrogens don't you? And boys are becoming feminised.. I'd have to say some proper sex education and being careful about sexual encounters would be far better over all than being naive enough to assume you can tame a teenagers libido..
Or put it like this, the Netherlands have the most open and honest sex ed and the age if consent is 14. Yet they have lower levels of teenage pregnancy than the US and UK, where the age of consent is higher. Granted they also have a red light district, which may go against many peoples morals, but this openness actually makes it less taboo and therefore less interesting to rebellious teens.. Open discussion is encouraged, and their kids obviously make more informed decisions. They beat the crap out of our nations for teenage pregnancy levels anyway..

[Dig]

Wow you guys are unbelievable.. By swallowing the line of "there's plenty of minerals left in our soil" you fall for the Codex Alimentarius party line. The one doctors spew at us daily when they say our food is an adequate source of all nutrients and that there's no extra benefit from organic.. And they got that line from big pharma who don't want you to be healthy because then their profits will suffer (as will their attempt to wipe us all out) You do realise that the RDA for most vitamins and minerals is merely enough to avoid obvious deficiency with a small safety margin, it's not enough to obtain the health benefits of each vitamin or mineral. 

I have pointed out here that we should preserve our nutrients on this planet so that we don't all become malnourished and you make statements like "Hitler was a non smoking veggie who was obsessed with cancer" and "health nuts for eugenics".. I'm looking for a way to preserve life, not destroy it, where do you get off??

If anything it is you guys who are obsessed with eugenics, you're the only ones posting it on this thread.. And yet you're naive enough to swallow the NWOs UN/Codex line about our soil being fine and synthetic nutrients being just as good as organic? Can you not see how you're getting so caught up in the conspiracy you're missing the big fat lie? I'm all for exposing the truth, but I gotta say, your attempts are quite narrow sighted.. Your digestive system is your closest relationship to the world around you, it's only 1 cell thick, your skin has 3 primary layers and the outermost layer is made up of seven more.. So your food and the quality of that food is critical to your survival. ain't no use worrying about someone using eugenics when you're happy to sacrifice your nutrition in favour of a conspiracy theory..

Get your facts straight. Seriously.. It's like reading the symptoms of being a psychopath online and going around diagnosing it in everyone you see.. Internet know it alls. Try getting some proper information, and a knowledge of how it works before you start espousing it. I can't claim to know about the US constitution, I haven't studied it, same way you have proven you know very little about nutrition and how it is used to mess with us.. It's dangerous to think you know everything, because it makes us blind to the reality that we really know nothing at all..

Attietewd I already stated up thread that I don't have kids because I have asked those difficult questions of myself and I don't think I'm fully kitted out for the job yet. There's some stuff I wanna get sorted first.. But I appreciate where you are coming from with the corruption of children by the media, and the poor quality of education in our schools.. The sex ed I'm afraid is a double edged sword.. They gave us catholic sex ed in school, from a woman who told us nothing really, opposed contraception and basically said "when and man and woman love each other very much they get married and have babies".. No details.. We were 11-13 years old, within the next 3-6 years, a huge percentage of the girls in my class were pregnant (and single).
The fact of the matter there is that they're gonna do it, their hormones and instincts tell them to, y'know, survival instinct, procreation a necessity.. Teenagers are on heat pretty much! If they're gonna do it, they need to be able to make informed choices, and not get up the duff by accident when they can barely take care of themselves never mind a baby.. So you can argue the sex ed puts ideas in their heads or you can chalk it up to hormones, you realise girls are reaching sexual maturity earlier because of phytoestrogens don't you? And boys are becoming feminised.. I'd have to say some proper sex education and being careful about sexual encounters would be far better over all than being naive enough to assume you can tame a teenagers libido..
Or put it like this, the Netherlands have the most open and honest sex ed and the age if consent is 14. Yet they have lower levels of teenage pregnancy than the US and UK, where the age of consent is higher. Granted they also have a red light district, which may go against many peoples morals, but this openness actually makes it less taboo and therefore less interesting to rebellious teens.. Open discussion is encouraged, and their kids obviously make more informed decisions. They beat the crap out of our nations for teenage pregnancy levels anyway..

that is quite a rant, what is it refering to?

[charrington]

What is truly amazing to me is that on any of the Mossad approved search engines, it takes maybe .5 seconds to look this shit up.

The same exact arguments.

The same exact rebuttals.

They have been pushing population fears 24/7 for the past thousand years and the people finally have access to all of the explanations of this hoax yet they refuse to see it. Just like Roddy Piper's coworker in They Live.

PUT ON THE F-ING GLASSES ALREADY!

THESE PSYCHOS ARE THE THREAT NOT LACK OF WATER!

 "Mossad approved search engines" Are they better then CIA "owned" Google and Gates approved Bing? or maybe I'll give your IP to the Chinese government Yahoo?  They all share data man, you know that or should -  discernment would be the answer. That's a funny one -

I can accept Fear depopulation and not overpopulation but the water issues is serious and so is consumption.

[charrington]

sorry if that was off topic.

No actually it's making a good point here. They are attacking from so many angles it's hard to defend all of them -- focused efforts are needed. It also creates the issue that one is unsure or unable to glean if it's an attack or simple a real issue, hence everything becomes a "conspiracy". Some of them are just bad planning and fatal man made mistakes. It happens a lot.

[Michal Ptacnik]

No actually it's making a good point here. They are attacking from so many angles it's hard to defend all of them -- focused efforts are needed. It also creates the issue that one is unsure or unable to glean if it's an attack or simple a real issue, hence everything becomes a "conspiracy". Some of them are just bad planning and fatal man made mistakes. It happens a lot.

+10

[Dig]

"Mossad approved search engines" Are they better then CIA "owned" Google and Gates approved Bing? or maybe I'll give your IP to the Chinese government Yahoo?  They all share data man, you know that or should -  discernment would be the answer. That's a funny one -

I can accept Fear depopulation and not overpopulation but the water issues is serious and so is consumption.

water issue and consumption also are directly tied to our wonderful elite psychopathic incestuous "owners". They truly feel that they own us and to show how much of us they own, they have poisoned our water and preventeed us from filtering it.

[charrington]

But it is not "false" science ot is true science the very "political science" of the politics of property and economics that formed the unforseen, inevitably flawed long term result of the entrenched property rights that are granted by the essential basis of the Constitution.

When people own stuff (critical resources) others can't have it or force them to give it up.

Even the right to reflective growth-increasing proportional representation (numbers of voters per Senator and Congressmen) is thus deeply flawed by this mistake.

Bingo -- something said at the founding of the nation by the "anti-feds". The Bill of Rights was appended in 1791 to the constitution. The Federalists that founded the constitution were the elite of their time.

Essentially it's always been a class struggle. Jeffersonian democrats vs The Federalists. The Anti-federalists had a little more foresight and judging by some of their comments could see that in the end
Americans would never have a "direct democracy".

"The natural course of power is to make the many the slaves of the few" and "the government is not a government of the people, the bulk of the people can have nothing to say to it." - An aristocratically tyranny will arise in which the great will struggle for power, honor and wealth and the poor become prey to the avarice, insolence and oppression." One of them is quoted as saying "in short my fellow citizens it can be said to be nothing less then a hasty stride to universal empire."

Those comments from the anti-feds back in the day were very insightful - they could see that the founders were setting "the people" up for a fall. And how right they were - we are the prey of the elite.

ABS is on the money - it's an imperfect system with imperfect rules.

[charrington]

water issue and consumption also are directly tied to our wonderful elite psychopathic incestuous "owners". They truly feel that they own us and to show how much of us they own, they have poisoned our water and preventeed us from filtering it.

I agree in part yes, and they sure the heck want us all dead. The only part I feel differently on is that I understand in part that some of what is happening is out of the elites control - a type of chaos that is happening that they didn't expect but they also feel obviously they can "control" it anyway.

[Dig]

But it is not "false" science ot is true science the very "political science" of the politics of property and economics that formed the unforseen, inevitably flawed long term result of the entrenched property rights that are granted by the essential basis of the Constitution.

This is also a huge falsity asAdam Smith and others have exposed the essential power in free market capitalism circumventing his escaping loyalty to the East India Trading Company. His book Wealth of Nations was an assignment for EITC which is/was the WTO of today (those families still control the WTO and other anti-human insane trade agreements). Within the book he actually leaked out how individuals themselves could become self sustainable without the need of such a leviathon-like oppressive global support structure. Others also exposed the power of man's self sustainability regardless of what the royal funded social scientists have been forcing us to believe. Here is a fun read by a fine American shedding some light on this very subject: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=183568.0

When people own stuff (critical resources) others can't have it or force them to give it up.

That is true and false. When people are given the power to the bundle of individual property rights for their plot of land, then a natural justice system is inherent. A neighbor cannot destroy my rights to peaceful enjoyment by polluting my air, water, land. This basic tenant has been circumvented by globalists. Asnd they have taken over 90% of the land, air, and sea so that the actual people have little left to deal with and fight over (all by design). Additionally, ownership rights for land and other items allows for a natural human tendancy to better that which it owned on an individual scale. By majority this will always be the case and it is what the anti-himans are against. The corporate false rights most likely is the greatest room for criticism. The corporation, corporatism, and the basic eventuality of fascism is rooted in this falsely perceived ideal that corporations are human and thus should be granted human rights. Corporations are not human and your issue with ownership rights when applied to an amoral corporation holds water. There is no morality or humanity in a corporation and that can lead to the unnatural hoarding of land, water, sea at the detriment to humanity. The corporation is the medium for which a handful of anti-human globalists can flip ownership positiveness to the perception of it being the root of all evil. It is not ownership rights, it is the corporation. I believe that legality and constitutionality is on our side as both Justice Ginsberg and Justice Sotomayor have allowed us to see this in their dissenting voices. But for even more clarity on the issue I recommend Perkins:

Pekins on Al-Jazeera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ09mWF25BA

Perkins on AJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOBv79hhqHo

Even the right to reflective growth-increasing proportional representation (numbers of voters per Senator and Congressmen) is thus deeply flawed by this mistake.

Again, I believe that the greatest flaw is the corporate power over the representation which is supposed to be based on humans, humanity and not amoral corporations' dictates qand mandates which are controlled by the elite class. The top 500 companies are controlled by the elite class. The elite class (less than 10,000) is interested in exterminating humanity. If the 300 million American citizens had actual individual property rights as defined by the founding docuements and true representation. The elites would be back in their caves shivering with the knowledge that humanity will never be extinguished.