Brainwashed Malthusian Zombies Parrot OVERPOPULATION MYTH on a Truth Forum

[Femacamper]

Like it or not the owned and inheritable world is a fixed asset and the numbers of it's potential new owners is not.

More people equals less stuff per-person.

You can make (much) energy out of matter but you cannot make matter out of energy.

The results of exacerbating this ever-accelerating imbalance further are either chaos, death, poverty and/or slavery.

If you cannot or will not even try to understand the simple arithmetic of Malthus, and the simple implications and ramifications of growing asset rarity, try bringing your children into the Antiques Roadshow for an appraisal.

Like every other asset of owners, the more "humans" there are, the less each is worth.

Exponential growth and finite, owned assets are contradictory. This is an intransigent pair of principles that are inherent contradictions. Our addiction to growth must end sometime, somehow and in some new way, unforeseen by our ancestors.

Within the straitjacket of the right-wing paradigm, sustainability is the opposite of growth.

There is an incredibly large universe...we haven't yet exploited all the resources on even one planet.

[Femacamper]

According to wiki:

"Over three billion years ago, blue-green algae were the most primitive oxygenic photosynthetic organisms and are ancestors of multicellular eukaryotic algae.[62]  Algae that contain the highest amount of antioxidant selenium, iodide, and peroxidase enzymes were the first living cells to produce poisonous oxygen in the atmosphere. It has been suggested that algal cells required a protective antioxidant action, in which selenium and iodides, through peroxidase enzymes, have had this specific role.[62][63] Selenium, which acts synergistically with iodine,[64]  is a primitive mineral antioxidant, greatly present in the sea and prokaryotic cells, where it is an essential component of the family of glutathione peroxidase (GSH-Px) antioxidant enzymes; seaweeds accumulate high quantity of selenium and iodine.[62]  In 2008, a study showed that iodide also scavenges reactive oxygen species (ROS) in algae, and that its biological role is that of an inorganic antioxidant, the first to be described in a living system, active also in an in vitro assay with the blood cells of today’s humans."[65]

"From about three billion years ago, prokaryotic selenoprotein families drive selenocysteine evolution. Selenium is incorporated into several prokaryotic selenoprotein families in bacteria, archaea and eukaryotes as selenocysteine,[66] where selenoprotein peroxiredoxins protect bacterial and eukaryotic cells against oxidative damage. Selenoprotein families of GSH-Px and the deiodinases of eukaryotic cells seem to have a bacterial phylogenetic origin. The selenocysteine-containing form occurs in species as diverse as green algae, diatoms, sea urchin, fish and chicken. Selenium enzymes are involved in utilization of the small reducing molecules glutathione and thioredoxin. One family of selenium-containing molecules (the glutathione peroxidases) destroy peroxide and repair damaged peroxidized cell membranes, using glutathione. Another selenium-containing enzyme in some plants and in animals (thioredoxin reductase) generates reduced thioredoxin, a dithiol that serves as an electron source for peroxidases and also the important reducing enzyme ribonucleotide reductase that makes DNA presursors from RNA precursors.[67]

"At about 500 Mya, plants and animals began to transfer from the sea to rivers and land, the environmental deficiency of marine mineral antioxidants (as selenium, iodine, etc.) was a challenge to the evolution of terrestrial life.[62] Trace elements involved in GSH-Px and superoxide dismutase enzymes activities, i.e. selenium, vanadium, magnesium, copper, and zinc, may have been lacking in some terrestrial mineral-deficient areas.[66] Marine organisms retained and sometimes expanded their seleno-proteomes, whereas the seleno-proteomes of some terrestrial organisms were reduced or completely lost. These findings suggest that, with the exception of vertebrates, aquatic life supports selenium utilization, whereas terrestrial habitats lead to reduced use of this trace element.[68] Marine fishes and vertebrate thyroid glands have the highest concentration of selenium and iodine. From about 500 Mya, freshwater and terrestrial plants slowly optimized the production of “new” endogenous antioxidants such as ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), polyphenols (including flavonoids), tocopherols, etc. A few of these appeared more recently, in the last 50–200 million years, in fruits and flowers of angiosperm plants. In fact, the angiosperms (the dominant type of plant today) and most of their antioxidant pigments evolved during the late Jurassic period.

"The deiodinase isoenzymes constitute another family of eukaryotic selenoproteins with identified enzyme function. Deiodinases are able to extract electrons from iodides, and iodides from iodothyronines. They are, thus, involved in thyroid-hormone regulation, participating in the protection of thyrocytes from damage by H2O2 produced for thyroid-hormone biosynthesis.[62][63] About 200 Mya, new selenoproteins were developed as mammalian GSH-Px enzymes."

It sounds like we could readily harvest bio-available selenium from blue-green algae to make up for any deficiency. And there is shitloads of that stuff throughout the world, how much of the ocean has algae on it? It can be found in almost every conceivable environment, from oceans to fresh water to bare rock to soil.

http://yourhealthcounts.net/blue-green-algae-benefits

Problem solved.

[charrington]

According to wiki:

"Over three billion years ago, blue-green algae were the most primitive oxygenic photosynthetic organisms and are ancestors of multicellular eukaryotic algae.[62]  Algae that contain the highest amount of antioxidant selenium, iodide, and peroxidase enzymes were the first living cells to produce poisonous oxygen in the atmosphere. It has been suggested that algal cells required a protective antioxidant action, in which selenium and iodides, through peroxidase enzymes, have had this specific role.[62][63] Selenium, which acts synergistically with iodine,[64]  is a primitive mineral antioxidant, greatly present in the sea and prokaryotic cells, where it is an essential component of the family of glutathione peroxidase (GSH-Px) antioxidant enzymes; seaweeds accumulate high quantity of selenium and iodine.[62]  In 2008, a study showed that iodide also scavenges reactive oxygen species (ROS) in algae, and that its biological role is that of an inorganic antioxidant, the first to be described in a living system, active also in an in vitro assay with the blood cells of today’s humans."[65]

"From about three billion years ago, prokaryotic selenoprotein families drive selenocysteine evolution. Selenium is incorporated into several prokaryotic selenoprotein families in bacteria, archaea and eukaryotes as selenocysteine,[66] where selenoprotein peroxiredoxins protect bacterial and eukaryotic cells against oxidative damage. Selenoprotein families of GSH-Px and the deiodinases of eukaryotic cells seem to have a bacterial phylogenetic origin. The selenocysteine-containing form occurs in species as diverse as green algae, diatoms, sea urchin, fish and chicken. Selenium enzymes are involved in utilization of the small reducing molecules glutathione and thioredoxin. One family of selenium-containing molecules (the glutathione peroxidases) destroy peroxide and repair damaged peroxidized cell membranes, using glutathione. Another selenium-containing enzyme in some plants and in animals (thioredoxin reductase) generates reduced thioredoxin, a dithiol that serves as an electron source for peroxidases and also the important reducing enzyme ribonucleotide reductase that makes DNA presursors from RNA precursors.[67]

"At about 500 Mya, plants and animals began to transfer from the sea to rivers and land, the environmental deficiency of marine mineral antioxidants (as selenium, iodine, etc.) was a challenge to the evolution of terrestrial life.[62] Trace elements involved in GSH-Px and superoxide dismutase enzymes activities, i.e. selenium, vanadium, magnesium, copper, and zinc, may have been lacking in some terrestrial mineral-deficient areas.[66] Marine organisms retained and sometimes expanded their seleno-proteomes, whereas the seleno-proteomes of some terrestrial organisms were reduced or completely lost. These findings suggest that, with the exception of vertebrates, aquatic life supports selenium utilization, whereas terrestrial habitats lead to reduced use of this trace element.[68] Marine fishes and vertebrate thyroid glands have the highest concentration of selenium and iodine. From about 500 Mya, freshwater and terrestrial plants slowly optimized the production of “new” endogenous antioxidants such as ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), polyphenols (including flavonoids), tocopherols, etc. A few of these appeared more recently, in the last 50–200 million years, in fruits and flowers of angiosperm plants. In fact, the angiosperms (the dominant type of plant today) and most of their antioxidant pigments evolved during the late Jurassic period.

"The deiodinase isoenzymes constitute another family of eukaryotic selenoproteins with identified enzyme function. Deiodinases are able to extract electrons from iodides, and iodides from iodothyronines. They are, thus, involved in thyroid-hormone regulation, participating in the protection of thyrocytes from damage by H2O2 produced for thyroid-hormone biosynthesis.[62][63] About 200 Mya, new selenoproteins were developed as mammalian GSH-Px enzymes."

It sounds like we could readily harvest bio-available selenium from blue-green algae to make up for any deficiency. And there is shitloads of that stuff throughout the world, how much of the ocean has algae on it? It can be found in almost every conceivable environment, from oceans to fresh water to bare rock to soil.

http://yourhealthcounts.net/blue-green-algae-benefits

Problem solved.

Darwinism ... also a fake. You don't understand what this is saying... lol. The target is moving the problem remains.

[Femacamper]

Darwinism ... also a fake.

The other info was good, though.

[Dig]

Darwinism ... also a fake. You don't understand what this is saying... lol. The target is moving the problem remains.

Correct, the problem of the elite psychopaths controlling resources will always remain as long as they get the slaves to fight each other about who deserves the largest portion of their crumbs that they bestow upon us.

“You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it.  What was that? He kept the slaves fighting amongst themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery.”
—Martin Luther King, Jr.

"[The G]rand imperative of imperial geostrategy [is] to keep the barbarians from coming together."
-Zbigniev Brzezinski 1997 "The Grand Chessboard"

They cannot stand the eternal american who strives for freedom, equality, and justice. They cannot allow for this because they only want slaves and hive minds. they cannot stand the human spirit or individuality... From the Declaration of Independence:

"[ S ]he has excited domestic insurrections amongst us..."

Here is the agenda for the CoIntelPro operations of divide and conquer. They use both the attack dogs and the controlled opposition against the eternal American Citizen They want us to have various manufactured categories attack each other.

[Another awesome piece of artwork by Brocke]

UPDATE ON BRZEZINSKI:

Zbigniew Brzezinski pushes Rockefeller agenda of civil war on LIVE TV!
Zbigniew Brzezinski: Obama The New Mr. 'Malaise'
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010/07/16/m-word-zbigniew-brzezinski-says-obama-presiding-over-age-malaise
By Mark Finkelstein Fri, 07/16/2010 - 08:35 ET

 
Can you hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth emanating from 1600 Pennslyvania Avenue?  It's Pres. Obama & Co. reacting to Zbigniew Brzezinki pinning on Barack Obama the word that doomed Jimmy Carter: "malaise." On Morning Joe, Carter's former national security adviser said there "is a sense of pervasive malaise" in America. What's worse, suggested Zbig, Pres. Obama hasn't been able to figure out how to deal with the malaise. Ruh-roh!
ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI'S PLANS TO KEEP THE BARBARIANS FROM COMING TOGETHER: I think we're now going through a phase in which there is a sense of pervasive malaise, which affects different groups in society in different ways. So people are dissatisfied; they're slightly worried; they don't see a good certain future for themselves or for the country, but in their own narrow sphere.
There's no grand mobilizing idea. And I have a sense that Obama, who started so well, and who really captivated people—he captivated me!—has not been able yet to generate some sort of organizing idea for an age which combines a malaise that's pervasive and percolating, and complexity.. . .  
PAT BUCHANAN: We need a new paradigm!

BREZINSKI: And the President hasn't articulated it.
BUCHANAN: No he hasn't.
BREZINSKI: There goes any further invitation to the White House!
Brzezinski clearly understood the personal implications of his downer of a diagnosis: "there goes any further invitation to the White House!"  The panel all enjoyed a good chuckle, but could anything be much worse for PBO than to be seen as the reincarnation of Jimmy Carter? Historical Note:  Here's more on the Malaise Speech itself.  Interestingly, although Carter adviser Pat Caddell used "malaise" in his notes for the speech, Carter himself never actually employed the word, speaking instead of a "crisis of the spirit in our country." No Goneril, She: Good daughter that she is, Mika tried to put the best face on father's words.  As Zbig lamented the end of his White House invitations, Mika twice pointed out that he had said "yet."  In other words, it's not that pops had painted the president an irredeemable failure.  It's just that PBO hasn't come up with a solution to the malaise "yet."

[charrington]

The other info was good, though.

Man can do all sorts of things -- very clever , but mans BEST thinking has got us to right where we are today. Digs right about one thing in this conversation -- Fear Depopulation not overpopulation. While its all good to speculate on these fantastic theories -- there is a very dark cloud looming over your heads. How many of these things do you see today happening? Zero... why? because someone doesn't want you to have them.

And that someone(s) is NOT going to let it happen. Let me give you the abridged version so you can see how man thinks and then does (not).

Ladies and Gentlemen let me introduce you to the longest burning Light Bulb in history. Now in its 109th year of illumination. http://www.centennialbulb.org/

So the question is "why don't light bulbs last longer today?" The answer is "there's no money in it". A company that make light bulbs that last 75 years would be out of business in a year or two - unfortunately  if drug companies gave you a cure for things that should have been cured a long time ago .. they too would be out of business - is Science any different? No. Tesla is the prime example - creates free energy and proves it to our very good friend J.P. Morgan (CitiBank) and JP quickly pulls funding because "It can not be metered". In other words you can't make money from free energy. Tesla who in my humble opinion was the real once in a lifetime genius for humankind was push out of the way for far less functional means that could be metered and money could be made - hence control over mankind could be expanded. Read about Wardenclffe

Science , industry and Medicine are hundreds of years behind where they should be because of the greed of the elites. In order for this to change, a complete restructuring of the human understanding of the failure of this system needs to be understood by every living person on the planet.

A complete and different model will have to be used and those that don't agree with this model -- yes what of them? A vote and changing a few politicians here and there is NOT going to solve anything.

People in this forum can't agree on much. So does anyone really think they can dissuade the rest of the "world" to change how they're living and thinking before it's too late?

There's a lot of great ideas out there .. have been for literally 100's of years. So what? They have been defeated at every turn and will continue to be defeated until there is a complete and total change in mans understanding of what reality is has taken place. And is there enough time to do that? Can man do that at all? I mean he's had 1000's of years already to do so and we are worse in many ways then ever.

And seriously, what will you do about people that don't agree with your ideas for a better world? Argue until it's too late to do anything? Force them to do as you wish? What?

[Dig]

Man can do all sorts of things -- very clever , but mans BEST thinking has us right where we are today. Digs right about one thing in this conversation -- Fear Depopulation not overpopulation. While its all good to speculate on these fantastic theories -- there is a very dark cloud looming over your heads. How many of these things do you see today happening? Zero... why? because someone doesn't want you to have them.

And that someone(s) is NOT going to let it happen. Let me give you the abridged version so you can see how man thinks and then does (not).

Ladies and Gentlemen let me introduce you to the longest burning Light Bulb in history. Now in its 109th year of illumination. http://www.centennialbulb.org/

So the question is "why don't light bulbs last longer today?" The answer is "there's no money in it". A company that make light bulbs that last 75 years would be out of business in a year or two - unfortunately  if drug companies gave you a cure for things that should have been cured a long time ago .. they too would be out of business - is Science any different? No. Tesla is the prime example - creates free energy and proves it to our very good friend J.P. Morgan (CitiBank) and JP quickly pulls funding because "It can not be metered". In other words you can't make money from free energy. Tesla who in my humble opinion was the real once in a lifetime genius for humankind was push out of the way for far less functional means that could be metered and money could be made - hence control over mankind could be expanded. Read about Wardenclffe

Science , industry and Medicine are hundreds of years behind where they should be because of the greed of the elites. In order for this to change, a complete restructuring of the human understanding of the failure of this system needs to be understood by every living person on the planet.

A complete and different model will have to be used and those that don't agree with this model -- yes what of them? A vote and changing a few politicians here and there is NOT going to solve anything.

People in this forum can't agree on much. So does anyone really think they can dissuade the rest of the "world" to change how their living and thinking before it's too late?

There's a lot of great ideas out there .. have been for literally 100's of years. So what? They have been defeated at every turn and will continue to be defeated until there is a complete and total change in mans understanding of what reality is has taken place. And is there enough time to do that? Can man do that at all? I mean he's had 1000's of years already to do so and we are worse in many ways then ever.

And seriously, what will you do about people that don't agree with your ideas for a better world? Argue until it's too late to do anything? Force them to do as you wish? What?

It has nothing to do with "there is no money in it".

It has to do with "there is no control over the slaves with it".

There are billions in money for tesla energy systems, electric cars, immortal light bulbs. But they give too much independence to the slaves so that the slaves cannot be controlled to left/right/up/down whenever the elites get a bug up their ass.

Tucker and DeLorean made marketable cars based on free market capitalism. Both were shut down because it gave too much power to the consumer to have so many choices.

Same with media. the media is dying because no one wants to watch their shit. Every high rated show that does not kiss rothschild's ass is shut down. It is not money, it is elite control. this is a fact.

Every single "free market capital" invention that gives the slaves too much freedom (other than the Internet) has been compromised by the elites who want to take that freedom away.

Any new economic system proposed and given supposed support will likely be another scheme by the elites to deny the slaves the power of free market capital inventiveness.

[charrington]

It has nothing to do with "there is no money in it".

It has to do with "there is no control over the slaves with it".

There is billions in money for tesla energy systems, electric cars, immortal light bulbs. But they give too much independence to the slaves so that the slaves cannot be controlled to left/right/up/down whenever the elites get a bug up their ass.

Tucker and DeLorean made marketable cars based on free market capitalism. Both were shut down because it gave too much power to the consumer to have so many choices.

Same with media. the media is dying because no one wants to buy their shit. Every high rated show that does not kiss rothschild's ass is shut down. It is not money, it is elite control. this is a fact.

Money is what controls them Digler. Basically you and I are saying the same thing in many respects. Money is the tool they use to control you. If you don't believe that stop working today... try it. They know you can't survive without money. Money is what their control system is based on. You HAVE TO HAVE it to function - they keep the illusion that money is needed going by creating a system that requires you to to earn an item you can never pay back. Money.

If you didn't need money - you would not need them. This is what you are saying when you say a slave gets too much control over a specific asset in their lives. Whether it be a car or electricity. Remember we do have things like solar power that can take us off the grid - IF it was only items that gave us freedoms then Solar power for the slaves would NOT be an option.  

The Tesla car is another example of this. DeLorean and Tucker were shut down because they represented freedom of choice that their competition didn't want them to have because they would have lost .... Money and market control.


Their control is you need it and can't survive with out it. Do they try and control you in other ways? Of course they do... and it's getting ridiculous in how many different ways they are trying to do so.
Even their own system is out of control because of their efforts to do so.

[citizenx]

Wonder where WhiteWitch went?

Found this oldie, but goodie:

Al Gore Writes Article for Witchcraft Magazine

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/GORE_ARTICLE/gore.html

Al, was that you?

BTW, "white magic"=official (inside) religion of the UN/global elite.

[Optimus]

Wonder where WhiteWitch went?

Found this oldie, but goodie:

Al Gore Writes Article for Witchcraft Magazine

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/GORE_ARTICLE/gore.html

Al, was that you?

BTW, "white magic"=official (inside) religion of the UN/global elite.

Nah, Al Gore was banned a long time ago already.

[citizenx]

Thought maybe he got a new IP.

He's a sneaky bastard.

[jshowell]

They know you can't survive without money. You HAVE TO HAVE it to function

Their control is you need it and can't survive with out it. Do they try and control you in other ways?

No, you're wrong:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6649533/Former-businessman-lives-on-no-money-for-a-year.html

Mark Boyle said giving up his job, possessions and money to live the life of a pauper in a rusty old caravan was the best decision he has ever made.

The 30-year-old has vowed to continue with his money-free life for good, adding: "It’s been fantastic. I never really knew how much stress and worry money brought to my life until I was free of it.

*******************
www.freecycle.org
********************

Note, this is also the way Gahndi, Buddha and Jesus changed the world, they gave up all their possessions.   

[Femacamper]

Haven't you all heard of old hermits in the wilderness?

[Dig]

Money is what controls them Digler. Basically you and I are saying the same thing in many respects. Money is the tool they use to control you. If you don't believe that stop working today... try it. They know you can't survive without money. Money is what their control system is based on. You HAVE TO HAVE it to function - they keep the illusion that money is needed going by creating a system that requires you to to earn an item you can never pay back. Money.

If you didn't need money - you would not need them. This is what you are saying when you say a slave gets too much control over a specific asset in their lives. Whether it be a car or electricity. Remember we do have things like solar power that can take us off the grid - IF it was only items that gave us freedoms then Solar power for the slaves would NOT be an option.  

The Tesla car is another example of this. DeLorean and Tucker were shut down because they represented freedom of choice that their competition didn't want them to have because they would have lost .... Money and market control.


Their control is you need it and can't survive with out it. Do they try and control you in other ways? Of course they do... and it's getting ridiculous in how many different ways they are trying to do so.
Even their own system is out of control because of their efforts to do so.

Total 100% bullshit, proven over 150 years ago by an American...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=183568.0


specifics

Money is what controls them Digler. Basically you and I are saying the same thing in many respects. Money is the tool they use to control you. If you don't believe that stop working today... try it. They know you can't survive without money. Money is what their control system is based on. You HAVE TO HAVE it to function - they keep the illusion that money is needed going by creating a system that requires you to to earn an item you can never pay back. Money.

The unconstitutional monopoly on money by the overtly treasonous jeckyll island descendents whose stated goal is to exterminate humanity has false flagged "money". Following the constitution, the creation of money is permitted by all states and congress should have power over the country's money supply. By reinforcing the constitutional competition of forms of money, local communities are allowed to regulate their competitive monetary system any way they see fit. It is like saying that corn is bad because Monsanto used racketeering, assassinations, extortion, and blatant anti free market capitalistic behavior to monopolize the corn supply and transform it into a zombie causing menace to humanity. That does not make corn the problem, the criminal activities need to be investigated, exposed and dealt with.

If you didn't need money - you would not need them. This is what you are saying when you say a slave gets too much control over a specific asset in their lives. Whether it be a car or electricity. Remember we do have things like solar power that can take us off the grid - IF it was only items that gave us freedoms then Solar power for the slaves would NOT be an option.  

That is what peter joseph and other gaia nutheads would have you believe but nothing could be farther from the truth. These people want a return to the giza pyramids, to apocalypto, to reducing humanity to cattle. Money is completely irrelevant to them and if they cannot control it, they completely freak out.

The Tesla car is another example of this. DeLorean and Tucker were shut down because they represented freedom of choice that their competition didn't want them to have because they would have lost .... Money and market control.

Precisely, the crimes against constitutional competition and the god given rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness must be examined in these cases.

Their control is you need it and can't survive with out it. Do they try and control you in other ways? Of course they do... and it's getting ridiculous in how many different ways they are trying to do so.
Even their own system is out of control because of their efforts to do so.

So you agree that money is just another thing they control like the rest of it.

[sharpsteve]

The Tesla car is another example of this. DeLorean and Tucker were shut down because they represented freedom of choice that their competition didn't want them to have because they would have lost .... Money and market control.

DeLorean was set up as a deal between Queen Elizabeth and Nancy Regan. The Queen needed DeLorean manufacturing out of Northern Ireland. Nancy Regan needed a big name bust for her Just Say No war on drugs. Nancy also wanted the Queen to attend Her and Ronnie's wedding anniversary party. A deal was made. DeLorean was set up and the Queen and Nancy both got what they wanted.

I was told this info in 1988 while living in NY and doing work at DeLorean's NY Condo.

[Dig]

DeLorean was set up as a deal between Queen Elizabeth and Nancy Regan. The Queen needed DeLorean manufacturing out of Northern Ireland. Nancy Regan needed a big name bust for her Just Say No war on drugs. Nancy also wanted the Queen to attend Her and Ronnie's wedding anniversary party. A deal was made. DeLorean was set up and the Queen and Nancy both got what they wanted.

I was told this info in 1988 while living in NY and doing work at DeLorean's NY Condo.

dang! nice info!

[citizenx]

Wait, who was the big name bust Nancy got?

Don't just say, "No", Nancy.  Say, "No Thank You."
                              Timothy Leary

[jshowell]

Wait, who was the big name bust Nancy got?

you serious?  Delorean was busted for cocaine.

[citizenx]

Oh, OK.. Brain fart. (Maybe, I shouldn't have done so much of that Bolivian marching powder myself.)

I get it now.

Yeah, I could believe that.

Damn, Ronnie really was her puppet/puppy dog, eh?

[Dig]

Oh, OK.. Brain fart. (Maybe, I shouldn't have done so much of that Bolivian marching powder myself.)

I get it now.

Yeah, I could believe that.

Damn, Ronnie really was her puppet/puppy dog, eh?

after Sir George HW Bush (Knight Commander to the British Empire who took a solemn oath to obey the queen above all else) worked with the Hinkley family on the coup d'etat?

you better believe it.

[citizenx]

Joint custody?

[sharpsteve]

DeLorean was having financial trouble because the Queen was putting the squeeze on his company. A successful company did not help with creating conflict in Northern Ireland. The Queen wanted DeLorean out of Northern Ireland.

Delorean was living in California at the time. Nancy wanted a bust in California because they would be returning to Cali after Reagan left office. Going after DeLorean (high Profile, big name, Money) would show how tuff on drugs the administration was being. A personal visit from the Queen in California for the Reagans Anniversary would be a big score for Nancy.

The FBI offered DeLorean a cut of the cocaine deal for being the middle man. The money would be enough to save his company. The FBI supplied the cocaine and played the dealer and the buyer. They just needed DeLorean in the middle so they could bust him. Typical FBI BS. Which is why they lost the case in court when is was shown to be a setup. DeLorean went bankrupt shutting down manufacturing.

The Queen got what she wanted and thanked Nancy with a visit to California for the Reagan's anniversary.  

[citizenx]

Wow.

[attietewd]

ditto

[charrington]

Total 100% bullshit, proven over 150 years ago by an American...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=183568.0

1854 isn't now - as many arguments are nullified by using outdated information. Try it now -- do it. back it up with your own personal example.

specifics


The unconstitutional monopoly on money by the overtly treasonous jeckyll island descendents whose stated goal is to exterminate humanity has false flagged "money". Following the constitution, the creation of money is permitted by all states and congress should have power over the country's money supply. By reinforcing the constitutional competition of forms of money, local communities are allowed to regulate their competitive monetary system any way they see fit. It is like saying that corn is bad because Monsanto used racketeering, assassinations, extortion, and blatant anti free market capitalistic behavior to monopolize the corn supply and transform it into a zombie causing menace to humanity. That does not make corn the problem, the criminal activities need to be investigated, exposed and dealt with.

That is what peter joseph and other gaia nutheads would have you believe but nothing could be farther from the truth. These people want a return to the giza pyramids, to apocalypto, to reducing humanity to cattle. Money is completely irrelevant to them and if they cannot control it, they completely freak out.

Precisely, the crimes against constitutional competition and the god given rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness must be examined in these cases.

So you agree that money is just another thing they control like the rest of it.

Good luck Money is the BIGGEST tool they have - it is tied into all other aspects of their control. Without money they have no more power over you. It's breaking that cycle that will be near impossible.

[charrington]

Let me ask you something Digler - since basically you feel you really have a grasp on the issues - Tell me what the answer is to the nwo. What is the plan that is going to change everything for people in this forum / planet?

Just wake everyone up to "whats really going on" and they will do what? Seriously no sarcasm in the question.

[Dig]

Let me ask you something Digler - since basically you feel you really have a grasp on the issues - Tell me what the answer is to the nwo. What is the plan that is going to change everything for people in this forum / planet?

Just wake everyone up to "whats really going on" and they will do what? Seriously no sarcasm in the question.

Seriously no sarcasm, that is the answer.

Woody Guthrie and a few others f-d these people up but good.

Gandhi kicked them out of India and now India has one of the highest savings rates than any other country

What the hell did he do? He was a just picking and a scratching and the times were much tougher.

And let's say I have no answer at all, what the hell is blaming each other for crap solve? I mean I am pretty confident that my answers got a lot of wrong in them, but they ain't exactly the rhetoric spewed by the New World Order having us blame humans or countries or the constitution, etc.

Nothing will be solved until the enemy to humanity is as thoroughly exposed as possible. Every time I show a direct link between what you regard as a problem and the elites' playbook, you willfully play it off as if it is some anomalie or coincidence. Is it that hard to see? Even now with all of the shit going on?

I guarantee this, 10,000 psychopaths will never control 300 million people if those people do not cooperate. IMO the only way such numbers will refuse to cooperate is if they understand the entirety of the plans. How the hell can anyone cooperate with IBM's sense and response automated armaggedon plans? I mean if you truly understood the entirety of the plans, how would it be possible?

[Dig]

1854 isn't now - as many arguments are nullified by using outdated information. Try it now -- do it. back it up with your own personal example.Good luck

Did you even read that shit? of course things are different, but he provides a blue print, he provides an awakened way of viewing life, economics, and true independent sustainability. And I am not worthy of any comparison whatsoever to such an incredible person as walden to even attempt such feats. but that was not his only point, he did the experiment for others to enhance their understanding of individual economic and sustainable power. I think JT has done it before and has a much larger grasp of these things than i do. he has built many teepees and has lived out in such conditions for extended periods of time. but whatever, be flippant anout a true masterpiece of non-fiction literature and a testament of humanity. i mean you say the entire piece of literature is "nullified" because it is outdated? whatever.

Money is the BIGGEST tool they have - it is tied into all other aspects of their control. Without money they have no more power over you. It's breaking that cycle that will be near impossible.

I am telling you that you have been lied to. their control over monetary policy may be about the biggest issue, but money itself is not the issue.

money is not the root of all evil...

the illuminati's LOVE of money may be

[charrington]

No, you're wrong:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6649533/Former-businessman-lives-on-no-money-for-a-year.html

Mark Boyle said giving up his job, possessions and money to live the life of a pauper in a rusty old caravan was the best decision he has ever made.

The 30-year-old has vowed to continue with his money-free life for good, adding: "It’s been fantastic. I never really knew how much stress and worry money brought to my life until I was free of it.

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Note, this is also the way Gahndi, Buddha and Jesus changed the world, they gave up all their possessions.   

Do you know how Jesus got a long? How he did what he did?


Try it ... get everyone together and try it. And Gahndi and buddha don't give up everything they lived very well - Being free of money is one of my points but you can't do it. Try it.

[charrington]

Seriously no sarcasm, that is the answer.

Woody Guthrie and a few others f-d these people up but good.

Gandhi kicked them out of India and now India has one of the highest savings rates than any other country

I'm assuming you are referring to the British? India I don't think is a good example because it's just behind Africa in poverty, one of the world leaders. They also have one of the worst economy's in the world. Class distinction and many many more ill's. Just kicking the bad guys out isn't enough --

What the hell did he do? He was a just picking and a scratching and the times were much tougher.

And let's say I have no answer at all, what the hell is blaming each other for crap solve? I mean I am pretty confident that my answers got a lot of wrong in them, but they ain't exactly the rhetoric spewed by the New World Order having us blame humans or countries or the constitution, etc.

Who's blaming whom? I'm merely pointing out it's a tall order to change things and you do need a plan. "Those that fail to plan , plan to fail." No ones saying the NWO (in this conversation) that the NWO doesn't exist. Right? I think you feel that I'm fighting with you and I'm not - What I don't fee good about is that a lot of you here seem to think you have it all figured out - I don't see it that way - more needs to be discussed, that should be fine with everyone and they should be able to do it without any hate involved.

Nothing will be solved until the enemy to humanity is as thoroughly exposed as possible. Every time I show a direct link between what you regard as a problem and the elites' playbook, you willfully play it off as if it is some anomalie or coincidence. Is it that hard to see? Even now with all of the shit going on?

You sound terribly like your opponent and "willfully" so. That word is itself a sysop. "Willfully disobedient" "Willful wrongdoing" As if you guys make the laws we should follow? How about set the example of direction to follow. I apologize that my facts don't agree with your facts and we don't see eye to eye on those subjects, but that doesn't mean can't agree on a course of action.

This irony gets me the most. "Even now with all of the shit going on?" Right after a hit piece on Jones, where nightline ask's him "Do you think it's a good idea for you to be doing this while all this is going on in the world. You ask the same thing. Thats exactly the type of junk "they" pull.

And I'd tell you the same thing Jones says - it doesn't matter whats going on people have the right to talk about what they feel is important to them. Those trying to stop people from doing that are the ones that are trying to "Control" things and people, not me and you shouldn't be either.

I guarantee this, 10,000 psychopaths will never control 300 million people if those people do not cooperate. IMO the only way such numbers will refuse to cooperate is if they understand the entirety of the plans. How the hell can anyone cooperate with IBM's sense and response automated armaggedon plans? I mean if you truly understood the entirety of the plans, how would it be possible?

Dig come on man you know, psychopaths have BEEN controlling the world since the beginning time. In fact the number of Psychos has GROWN not lessened. I agree that education is the key to exposing this fake world we live in but at this point, I'd have to say all throughout history, the great and smart men of society have tried this , Rome , Greece, Medo-persia etc and the masses did not listen even though they heard the message and were warned. Tell me what makes this any different? Don't take that the wrong way because I do understand your feelings about this and I agree with them.


Many people ask the question "what can we do?" If a person is able to look at ALL that is going on they can begin to come to their own conclusions and think about what needs to be done. If you only listen to what others tell you to do - you might as well be in a cult.


I'd like it if people would think for themselves and be honest with themselves - I'd like to hear their plans for the future and how they will accomplish them. Geolib said something the other day about "Brainwashing" that I completely agree with - saying the same things over and over (however subtle) in spite of facts - That makes one really think who's doing more chanting in behalf of their beliefs and has more self righteous indignation? Seems to me that's what this forum is dedicated to.


Lets continue to have open and free debate in the forum other wise it's just another form of tyranny and you start repeating what the opposition says. "you're either for us or against us".

[charrington]

Did you even read that shit? of course things are different, but he provides a blue print, he provides an awakened way of viewing life, economics, and true independent sustainability. And I am not worthy of any comparison whatsoever to such an incredible person as walden to even attempt such feats. but that was not his only point, he did the experiment for others to enhance their understanding of individual economic and sustainable power. I think JT has done it before and has a much larger grasp of these things than i do. he has built many teepees and has lived out in such conditions for extended periods of time. but whatever, be flippant anout a true masterpiece of non-fiction literature and a testament of humanity. i mean you say the entire piece of literature is "nullified" because it is outdated? whatever.

I am telling you that you have been lied to. their control over monetary policy may be about the biggest issue, but money itself is not the issue.

I have read it man - many times and other things as well - I wouldn't cheat myself like that. I am a seeker of truth. I try and really look into things with a balanced view but never stop learning.

money is not the root of all evil...

the illuminati's LOVE of money may be

Bingo .. the Love of money is. 

[Geolibertarian]

Geolib said something the other day about "Brainwashing" that I completely agree with - saying the same things over and over (however subtle) in spite of facts

Indeed I did. I identified the two primary causes of world poverty and environmental destruction -- neither of which have anything to do with overpopulation -- and, just as I expected, the Malthusian cultists in this forum ignored those facts and went right on insisting that overpopulation is the primary cause.

So please spare us your Freudian projection and look in the friggin mirror for a change.

[Geolibertarian]

"Francis Galton later coined the term 'eugenics' to describe this emerging field....The actual science of eugenics was lacking extensive evidence, and ultimately Galton 'hoped to recast eugenics as a religious doctrine,' which was 'to be taken on faith without proof.'" -- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20028

I see Galton's hopes have been fully realized!  

[charrington]

Let me tell you what I really think about this and why -- I think people are putting to much hope in the leadership of man -- and they are getting the shaft. There are things that mankind has no control over and it's short sighted to and NOT think about all the issues we have in the world today -- Not all of them are NWO issues - it's the entire system of things. Everything his system is built on is a lie or has been invented to create a false reality for you.

Yes, waking people up is the start I agree but then what? There are no Neo's (matrix) to save you. There are so many issues today that you and I are facing even if you could erase all the NWO today you'd have to start over and create a new system that is completely different. If you didn't we'd repeat the same corrupt process over and over again. I'd love to hear those plans and how they differ from past plans.

Einstein said it best, "Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result."


IMHO, People need to get closer to God - I know that sounds offensive to some and I don't mean it to be. Man just can't rule man.

[charrington]

Indeed I did. I identified the two primary causes of world poverty and environmental destruction -- neither of which have anything to do with overpopulation -- and, just as I expected, the Malthusian cultists in this forum ignored those facts and went right on insisting that overpopulation is the primary cause.

So please spare us your Freudian projection and look in the friggin mirror for a change.

ha, NO ONE was implying it was geo - we said that there are limits on all things and resources and someday (if not today) those things will catch up and are - ESPECIALLY with NWO help. I'm not intimidated by name calling and don't really care what YOUR opinion of what of brainwashing is and I didn't really mean to hurt your feelings.

It's one thing to be passionate like Digler is in his posts but getting insulting and ranting over not being able to tell the difference between "a cultists" and a concerned human being - really is out of line.

[charrington]

"Francis Galton later coined the term 'eugenics' to describe this emerging field....The actual science of eugenics was lacking extensive evidence, and ultimately Galton 'hoped to recast eugenics as a religious doctrine,' which was 'to be taken on faith without proof.'" -- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20028

I see Galton's hopes have been fully realized!  

Geo -- no one wants to cull the population - I'd like everyone to live forever. Everyone. So now you have another Malthusian conspiracy rant pushing something that isn't happening. It's getting old.

If you seriously think that "abundance" or the law of attraction mind set is going to stop the laws of physics you need help.

[attietewd]

Good posts Charrington!

[jshowell]

Do you know how Jesus got a long? How he did what he did?


Try it ... get everyone together and try it. And Gahndi and buddha don't give up everything they lived very well - Being free of money is one of my points but you can't do it. Try it.

So I guess Jesus didn't fast for forty days and nights, Gahndi didn't fast either or live an ashram without money, and Siddartha didn't live with acetics before becoming Buddha, denying his princely birthright?  You better learn some history before you act like you know what you're talking about.

I gave you an entire group of people living without using money (freecycle), and a major news article of a man who lives TODAY without money and still you deny it exists?

If you're blind then i can't help, but to everyone else who has discernment this will just further illustrate how disreputable your posts have become.

[Optimus]

Geo -- no one wants to cull the population - I'd like everyone to live forever. Everyone. So now you have another Malthusian conspiracy rant pushing something that isn't happening. It's getting old.

If you seriously think that "abundance" or the law of attraction mind set is going to stop the laws of physics you need help.

You need to get your head out of the sand and see what is happening in the real world. Rockefeller, Kissinger, Bill Gates, the World Bank and many more genocidal maniacs want to cull around 90% of the Earth's population. Their global depopulation plan is in FULL EFFECT and has been for a long time!

Eugenics Alert: World Bank Population-Reduction
Lending Schemes Already Underway


World Bank “in-country units” will “strengthen” the institutions
that distribute the Rockefeller-funded anti-fertility vaccines and GM Food.

Jurriaan Maessen
Infowars.com
September 3, 2010

Following up on yesterday’s articleWorld Bank Threatens “Drastic Steps Necessary” if Nations Refuse Population Reduction Implementation, recent reports by the World Bank suggest the “drastic steps” considered necessary are now being implemented.

According to two subsequent documents put out by the World Bank, new guidelines dictate that in order to qualify for World Bank lending, nations must implement population reduction objectives as outlined by the World Bank and UN Population Fund.

Already tested and implemented in Yemen and Niger, these new guidelines are destined for global implementation within the next decade, says the World Bank.

In the World Bank’s Reproductive Health Action Plan 2010-2015, published in April of this year, the Bank structurally speaks of Millennium Development Goals number 5 (or MDG5), which stands for “Reproductive Health” (or RH).

As we know, this is eugenics-new-speak for population control. As pro-death globalist professor John Cleland argued at a 2006 gathering in the company of like-minded individuals from the United Nations Population Fund, the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, the European Commission, the World Bank and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation:

“It does this cause no service at all to continue to shroud family planning in the obfuscating phrase “sexual and reproductive health”. People don’t really know what it means. If we mean family planning or contraception, we must say it. If we are worried about population growth, we must say it. We must use proper, straightforward language. I am fed up with the political correctness that daren’t say the name population stabilization, hardly dares to mention family planning or contraception out of fear that somebody is going to get offended. It is pathetic!”

The 2010 report put out by the World Bank however, chooses to use this deceptive phrase continually. And, from its dark point of view, it is right to do so- for the resistance against this 21st century eugenics grows steadily. The Bank, just like the UN, has no choice but to cloak itself in deceptive language so as not to raise too much suspicion as they move forward:

“(…) a renewed global consensus on the need to make progress on MDG5, together with greater attention to gender issues within and outside the Bank is refocusing attention on RH and offering an unprecedented opportunity to redress the neglect of the previous decade. Notable among these developments is that in 2007 the UN fully incorporated RH within the MDG framework.”

Apart from all the available evidence of a global push for population reduction, The term Global Consensus alone proves it:

“The Global Consensus”, says the report, “recognizes that MDGs 4 & 5 will not be reached without country leadership and the prioritization of reproductive, maternal, and newborn health at country level. The Global Consensus proposes a five point plan that includes: (i) political, operational, and community leadership and engagement; (ii) a package of evidence-based interventions through effective health systems along a continuum of good quality care, with a priority on quality care at birth; (iii) services for women and children free at the point of use if countries choose to provide them; (iv) skilled and motivated health workers in the right place at the right time, with supporting infrastructure, drugs, and equipment; and (v) accountability for results with robust monitoring and evaluation.”

In order to translate this “Global Consensus” to the nation-states under its control, the World Bank boasts:

“The World Bank is uniquely positioned at the country level to take on advocacy for reproductive health, particularly in reaching Ministers of Finance. This will require utilizing the World Bank‟s economic analysis and technical resources to marshal arguments for investment in reproductive health. Bank’s country directors have key role to play in process of making RH a country priority through their policy dialogue with governments.”

There it is again. The World Bank- as lender- has the dependent nations in a stranglehold. If nations don’t comply with its directions, the Bank can cut the financial lifeline, no problem at all.

A World Bank discussion-paper from 2007 called Population Issues in the 21st century: The Role of the World Bank, explains how this process works in more detail:

“The Bank has a potential comparative advantage to address these issues at the highest levels of country policy setting, not only with ministry of health counterparts, but also with officials from finance and planning. This is important given the increasing recognition that political economy is a critical factor in the implementation of population and reproductive health programs, particularly in high-fertility countries.

“Its involvement in many sectors in countries”, the authors continue, “can produce synergies that will allow faster progress than a more narrow focus on family planning services. The Bank will need its partners – United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), World Health Organization (WHO), key bilaterals – to provide technical expertise and administrative knowledge in areas such as procurement of contraceptives, service delivery, and demand creation.”

The document makes clear that this global and coordinated push for total control is not some vague dream. It is already being test-cased in several developing nations. The document states two cases that are currently underway. In the first example, Niger, the World Bank already has in place so-called “benchmarks” that the nation in question has to live up to in order to enjoy the continued support of the World Bank. In the case of Niger, considered by the IMF as a “Highly Indebted Poor Country”- and therefore easy to subdue- the document states:

“Population growth is documented and a population ESW (Economic and Sector Work) planned. A national Population and Reproductive Health Strategy is not only a CAS (Country Assistance Strategy) benchmark, but also a lending trigger, while reproductive health is included in one of the CAS pillars.”

“High fertility and rapid population growth were not only acknowledged as major problems, but fertility was also used as one of the CAS performance benchmarks. Moreover, a population ESW was planned and subsequently delivered. That ESW has been most instrumental in enhancing the in-country policy dialogue on population issues, and has led to a free-standing International Development Association (IDA) population operation, currently in preparation, which is the first population-specific operation in many years in the World Bank Africa Region. The preparation of a National Population and Reproductive Health Strategy was also a CAS benchmark as well as a lending trigger, while reproductive health was included in one of the CAS pillars. Other Bank partners such as the EU have joined the effort. Finally, population issues have also been given a high priority in the new Rural and Social Policy Reform (Development Policy Lending) Credit.”

The devil is in the details. The extend to which the World Bank and UN is willing to blackmail “Highly Indebted Poor Country’s” in implementing globally coordinated population control policies also becomes obvious in the second test-case example: Yemen:

“In the lending portfolio, restructuring of the Health Sector Reform Project (which includes family planning) is proposed and is expected to lead to a Population II Project to specifically address high fertility and family planning issues. Pillars two and three address population and reproductive health. Contraception is addressed effectively, and CPR is included as a CAS indicator. Furthermore, earlier in 2006, the Bank produced a study on “Promoting the Demand for FP in Yemen.”

“High fertility and rapid population growth”, the document reads, “were not only acknowledged as major impediments to economic growth and poverty reduction, but was included as one of the specific goals that was subsequently translated into policies, programs, and an indicator (reduce population growth rate by 3 percent per annum). Moreover, budget was allocated specifically for each of the four population policies that were outlined.”

The dimensions of this “Global Consensus” are extensive. These diabolical dimensions are being described in the 2007 “Discussion Paper” with the help of the catch-phrase: “Multisectoral approach”:

“A more systematic approach to mainstream population within the core agenda (…) would greatly enhance the adoption of a truly multisectoral approach. (….) The Bank’s comparative advantages in strengthening health systems are mainly in the areas of health financing, system governance, accountability for health service delivery, and demand-side interventions, all of which are important to further the population agenda.”

The authors continue:

“By supporting large-scale implementation of an integrated health sector plan that includes family planning, the Bank can play an important role in keeping family planning as a priority in high fertility and high-population-momentum countries. Even though historically some successful family planning programs were based on a vertical approach, such an approach is now considered less attractive, both from a sustainability standpoint as well as from a comprehensive reproductive health approach.”

However deceptive and “rational” the language, the document is nevertheless strangely upfront about their full-spectrum dominance, to make use of a military phrase:

“Unless population issues are approached in a multipronged fashion, it is unlikely to accelerate a demographic transition in these countries.”

“The Bank is well positioned to systematically include population and reproductive health dimensions in key strategic documents (…). The Bank is particularly well placed to provide the fiscal and economic analysis to ensure that funding of population issues is placed within the overall development financing agenda of the country.”

“This strategy can be best achieved by a coordinated strategy implemented by a visible, strong, and high-level in-country unit with the mandate to design, monitor, and evaluate the effectiveness of the program. The Bank can help strengthen such institutional mechanisms, and foster collaboration with external national or international partners.”

There it is. World Bank “in-country units” will “strengthen” the institutions that distribute the Rockefeller-funded anti-fertility vaccines and GM Food. Above all this, the Bank uses the tools confided to them by the scientific dictatorship:

“The role of political economy in the implementation of population and reproductive health programs and policies is critical. The Bank, by providing the necessary analytical basis for policy discussion, can play a constructive role in prompting policy makers to take action now for future changes in population structure and size.”

Speaking of the scientific dictatorship, the World Bank works in concert with all the other arms of the octopus:

“As was noted in the section on the global policy context, it is impossible for the Bank to work on reproductive health issues without the support and collaboration of the broader international community. The UNFPA is the lead technical agency in the population field, with a large network of field offices. The Bank already uses UNFPA’s contraceptive procurement know-how and has intensified its collaboration in other areas (e.g., training and country program management). The WHO, as the normative agency, is a critical partner at both the global and country levels. As population issues are linked to reproductive health, HIV/AIDS, and child survival, the Bank works also with WHO, UNAIDS, and the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), respectively.”

Returning to the essence, the intention and the strategy leave little for the imagination: a global consensus is in place between all the major transnational institutions and banks: the earth’s population must be brought down, with all means necessary. The World Bank uses financial tools to bring nations on their knees, demanding they cull their numbers; the UN guarantees the political legitimizing for these depopulation policies (Agenda 21); the Foundations develop the anti-fertility vaccines and GM Food, the World Health Organization takes care of the “health-standards” and distribution. In this global construct, carefully coordinated from the top-down, the scientific dictatorship has circled the wagons around all of free humanity.

[jshowell]

It's obvious anyone calling for killing anyone else but won't relinquish their own life just wants to be ruler of the universe.  If there was a real overpopulation problem the people who were concerned about the problem would start by sterilizing themselves and ending their lives early.  

Anything short of that is just hypocrisy and mad control freak ambition.