Brainwashed Malthusian Zombies Parrot OVERPOPULATION MYTH on a Truth Forum

[Dig]

Bingo -- something said at the founding of the nation by the "anti-feds". The Bill of Rights was appended in 1791 to the constitution. The Federalists that founded the constitution were the elite of their time.

Essentially it's always been a class struggle. Jeffersonian democrats vs The Federalists. The Anti-federalists had a little more foresight and judging by some of their comments could see that in the end
Americans would never have a "direct democracy".

"The natural course of power is to make the many the slaves of the few" and "the government is not a government of the people, the bulk of the people can have nothing to say to it." - An aristocratically tyranny will arise in which the great will struggle for power, honor and wealth and the poor become prey to the avarice, insolence and oppression." One of them is quoted as saying "in short my fellow citizens it can be said to be nothing less then a hasty stride to universal empire."

Those comments from the anti-feds back in the day were very insightful - they could see that the founders were setting "the people" up for a fall. And how right they were - we are the prey of the elite.

ABS is on the money - it's an imperfect system with imperfect rules.

what you are saying is accurate, but it is not due to the idea of individual property rights. It is due to as you said, the elites' method of infiltration by stealth, in the US it is via anti-constitutional corporate power among many things.

[agentbluescreen]

what you are saying is accurate, but it is not due to the idea of individual property rights. It is due to as you said, the elites' method of infiltration by stealth, in the US it is via anti-constitutional corporate power among many things.

In fact it was in the key surrender to the power of private corporate banksters (private ownership of money casino) that the whole thing came finally and irretrievably undone. Now we are back to peasants vs corporate warLORDs again.

It only took a moment of misplaced trust in the wrong people by a foolish, altruistic, elite snob named Woodrow, now we have a fundamental property rights conundrum that cannot be undone within the law, nor argued within what seems to be "reason".

Lincoln was so very correct, today, we don't even recognize what "American" means anymore.

Taking our "money power" away from us was the straw that broke the camels back. We are anti-Wilsonians, not "Tea Partiers"

[WhiteWitch]

that is quite a rant, what is it refering to?

It was referring to citizenx's "joke" about Hitler being a health nut, and the part I directed at attietewd was in relation to what she posted straight after which quoted me..

And the rant was also trying to show you guys that you're so caught up on all the conspiracy theories you've heard that you are forgetting to think for yourselves.. You're quoting UN sponsored health info without realising it, anything Codex puts forth is a big Chem/pharma/agri lie. Including that our soils will maintain us indefinitely.

You can purify water, you can come up with alternative fuels, you can build high rise flats everywhere (NOT a good idea btw, ever known anyone who lived in one?) but man cannot synthesise nutrients.. They have grown alongside us for centuries and to think we can come up with a laboratory saviour is idiotic.. You can't create a real diamond from just carbon, it will always be a fake..

It's not whether we have enough food, it's about the quality of that food.. But the unthinking majority will never realise that unless someone points it out, so, now that is has been Pointed out to you that our minerals are finite.. What do you propose we do??

[EvadingGrid]

And the rant was also trying to show you guys that you're so caught up on all the conspiracy theories you've heard that you are forgetting to think for yourselves.. You're quoting UN sponsored health info without realising it, anything Codex puts forth is a big Chem/pharma/agri lie. Including that our soils will maintain us indefinitely.

You can purify water, you can come up with alternative fuels, you can build high rise flats everywhere (NOT a good idea btw, ever known anyone who lived in one?) but man cannot synthesise nutrients.. They have grown alongside us for centuries and to think we can come up with a laboratory saviour is idiotic.. You can't create a real diamond from just carbon, it will always be a fake..

It's not whether we have enough food, it's about the quality of that food.. But the unthinking majority will never realise that unless someone points it out, so, now that is has been Pointed out to you that our minerals are finite.. What do you propose we do??

I take it you are also blissfully ignorant of UN Agenda 21

[WhiteWitch]

Well the only way they can position it is to use a grain of truth..

And you didn't answer my question.. I'm not talkin about the UNs preservation agenda, because they reckon we can live on sodium selenite and dl-alpha tocopherol.. I'm talkin about the real issue. Mineral depletion in the soil.. Seeing as we can't magic it up outta nowhere what do you think we should do? Or are you just gonna quote me more stuff about eugenics?

There won't be a species to wipe out if we don't have the nutrients to sustain ourselves..

[Femacamper]

Well the only way they can position it is to use a grain of truth..

And you didn't answer my question.. I'm not talkin about the UNs preservation agenda, because they reckon we can live on sodium selenite and dl-alpha tocopherol.. I'm talkin about the real issue. Mineral depletion in the soil.. Seeing as we can't magic it up outta nowhere what do you think we should do? Or are you just gonna quote me more stuff about eugenics?

There won't be a species to wipe out if we don't have the nutrients to sustain ourselves..

I've already given you possible and very workable solutions: rock dust, fertilization, manure, crop rotation/laying fallow, and sea minerals such as SeaAgri.

Here are the best two:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=181030.msg1096093#msg1096093

[Optimus]

Well the only way they can position it is to use a grain of truth..

And you didn't answer my question.. I'm not talkin about the UNs preservation agenda, because they reckon we can live on sodium selenite and dl-alpha tocopherol.. I'm talkin about the real issue. Mineral depletion in the soil.. Seeing as we can't magic it up outta nowhere what do you think we should do? Or are you just gonna quote me more stuff about eugenics?

There won't be a species to wipe out if we don't have the nutrients to sustain ourselves..

Agenda 21 has nothing to do with preservation, but is for locking up and denying resources.

[WhiteWitch]

Route; Fair enough.. If theyre locking up resources they're locking up resources.. We all know that at the moment there is enough food to feed the thrid world out of the vegetables and grains we throw away daily.. We all know the UN are not really looking out for our best interests.. My point was that in order for this to be pushed with any credibility, there needs to be a grain of truth to it (no matter how small). But Im talking about in the future, our future generations.. Are the members of this forum so much in denial that they equate all attempts to preserve some of this stuff for them as being part of the NWO agenda? Are they really that selfish?


Femacamper..

Rocks are earth are they not? As such this resource is also finite.
Fertiliser only adresses the major nutrients, and just enough micronutrients to support plant life, but not enough to provide us with what we need (or animals either for that matter)
Crop Rotation & Laying fallow has been being done all along has it not?

As for Sea Agri, please consider the basic chemistry, what makes a salt a salt?
Sodium.
All mineral "salts" are sodium + another mineral. What is selenium mixed with sodium?? Sodium Selenite and Sodium Selenate..(and as I pointed out earlier, these are poisonous)

There are some pretty obvious deceptions on the FAQ too..

Q. Is SEA-90 approved for use in organic agriculture?

A. Yes, SEA-90 is a natural mined, unprocessed and non-synthetic mineral. It is approved and listed by the NOP USDA as organic sea salt and by the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI) for use in production of all organic food, fiber and livestock. Some ocean (sea) water companies claim to be organic or organic certified--a claim and certification that does not exist. SeaAgri is dedicated to providing the agricultural community with the best, purest and most cost effective sea mineral product possible.

This is a bit of a contradiction in terms, on one hand saying the certification is there to back them up, but that organic certification doesnt exist? The USDA are a government body and as such follow Codex guidelines. And they allow 2,4-D, atrazine, methyl bromide to be left on our food, gluten in "gluten free" products, and certain ingredients to not be listed on the packaging, never mind allowing aspartame to be used in almost everything! So do you trust their guidelines on "organic"?

Another thing is that they list the composition of their product in single elemental values only..
They have a big list, with all the elements and their parts per million listed, but only as their basic elements, not compounds.
So, Mg 5158ppm, Ca 3139.3ppm (these are the next highest levels of any mineral listed after sodium and chlorine). Please note, that contrary to being "perfectly in balance" as advertised, these are out of sync, as Calcium is generally found in higher doses, and in the body the calcium:magnesium ratio required is 3:2.
There is 112458ppm of Sodium and 616253ppm of Chlorine, so this further demonstrates my point of them not listing the individual compounds.. As we all know NaCl is Sodium Chloride. This means theres chlorides in there too.. Yay, even more stuff to worry about..
Oh, and they listed the Chlorides away from the rest of the list of elements, this seems a little odd..
Have a look for yourself; http://seaagri.com/docs/Analysis%20SEA-90.pdf

So no, I'm not buying what SeaAgri is selling.. And thats what they're doing, selling.. Leaving out all the facts that would get them burned and leaving in all the ones that make them look brilliant, come on, you're a truther, can you not read an article without seeing the intention behind it?

That stuff is no more a viable option than mars bars as fertiliser..

[Femacamper]

Rocks are earth are they not? As such this resource is also finite.

Dig deeper. You're telling me the earth doesn't have enough minerals in it? That is laughable.

At any rate, if and when we do need more rocks, we can mine them from asteroids, other planets, moons, etc...

Fertiliser only adresses the major nutrients, and just enough micronutrients to support plant life, but not enough to provide us with what we need (or animals either for that matter)

We need a wider range of fertilization.

Crop Rotation & Laying fallow has been being done all along has it not?

No, they have been overworking much of the land for decades.

As for Sea Agri, please consider the basic chemistry, what makes a salt a salt?
Sodium.
All mineral "salts" are sodium + another mineral. What is selenium mixed with sodium?? Sodium Selenite and Sodium Selenate..(and as I pointed out earlier, these are poisonous)

There are some pretty obvious deceptions on the FAQ too..

This is a bit of a contradiction in terms, on one hand saying the certification is there to back them up, but that organic certification doesnt exist? The USDA are a government body and as such follow Codex guidelines. And they allow 2,4-D, atrazine, methyl bromide to be left on our food, gluten in "gluten free" products, and certain ingredients to not be listed on the packaging, never mind allowing aspartame to be used in almost everything! So do you trust their guidelines on "organic"?

Another thing is that they list the composition of their product in single elemental values only..
They have a big list, with all the elements and their parts per million listed, but only as their basic elements, not compounds.
So, Mg 5158ppm, Ca 3139.3ppm (these are the next highest levels of any mineral listed after sodium and chlorine). Please note, that contrary to being "perfectly in balance" as advertised, these are out of sync, as Calcium is generally found in higher doses, and in the body the calcium:magnesium ratio required is 3:2.
There is 112458ppm of Sodium and 616253ppm of Chlorine, so this further demonstrates my point of them not listing the individual compounds.. As we all know NaCl is Sodium Chloride. This means theres chlorides in there too.. Yay, even more stuff to worry about..
Oh, and they listed the Chlorides away from the rest of the list of elements, this seems a little odd..
Have a look for yourself; http://seaagri.com/docs/Analysis%20SEA-90.pdf

So no, I'm not buying what SeaAgri is selling.. And thats what they're doing, selling.. Leaving out all the facts that would get them burned and leaving in all the ones that make them look brilliant, come on, you're a truther, can you not read an article without seeing the intention behind it?

That stuff is no more a viable option than mars bars as fertiliser..

It seems to work just fine for many:

“…..I have worked with the minerals from the full spectrum of the sea for over 51 years--since the very beginning of Dr. Maynard Murray’s farm-type projects.  It still thrills me to hear of others who discover the changes that happen to plants and animals when the total balance of the sea is added to the soil.”                              
Ed H.
Hampshire, IL

“…..we used SEA-90 sea minerals on our potato farm in Michigan.  As in our previous year of trials, we feel that our yield has increased and quality improved when Sea-90 was used.  For this year’s trials we applied 400 lb per acre last fall and another 200 lb per acre banded on top of the potatoes after planting but before emergence this spring. The results were equally beneficial. So for this coming year 2008 we will only apply SEA-90 at 200 lb on all of our potatoes banded in the spring before emergence; this way the cost per acre is more justifiable. We will also foliar feed Sea-90 oncea week at a rate of 2.25 lb per acre in 25 gallons water along with my regular conventional program.  Even where our sprayer booms overlap (resulting in 4.5 lb per acre of SEA-90) there is no foliar burning.
John M.
Elmira, MI

Comment by Robert Cain:  John’s county Extension Agent is quoted as saying that while on an aerial inspection of several farms in the county he noticed that several potato fields on John’s farm exhibited a distinctly darker shade of green and appeared to have significantly denser foliage.  Later when he had the opportunity to question John about this fact it was determined that these were the fields that were fertilized with SEA-90.

"....field corn grown in southern Wisconsin the summer of 2006.  Corn was side-dressed with 250 lb. SEA-90 per acre. Ear on left was the longest ever seen."
Richard D.
Dodgeville, WI

“…..I added five pounds per acre to my liquid row support solution for corn this year and my production went from 135 bushels per acre to 165 bushels per acre.  I’m impressed by the increase in production and know it had to be the SEA-90!
Nathanial S.
 Humboldt, IL

“…..broadcast 500 lbs SEA-90 per acre on my worst corn acreage this year, and it produced 40 bushels more per acre than my best corn acreage!  At the end of the season, I noticed that the soil was very porous and rich where I had spread the SEA-90.  I could pick up a handful easily and found earth worms and castings.  The soil where I had not spread the SEA-90 was hard and there were no earth worms near the surface.
Dwight J.
Elm Creek, NE

“….I decided to do a comparison between one corn field that was in transition to organic corn and one that was not.  I added SEA-90 at 6 lbs per acre to my normal liquid row support solution and sprayed 6 lbs per acre in basically the same solution at the third leaf. The total cost of the two treatments combined was $26 per acre.  The conventional field received the normal commercial fertilizer application and the cost was $120 per acre.  The organic acreage produced 117 bushels per acre and the commercial field 122 bushels per acre.  I got almost the same production for $94 less per acre and after that crop certified that field organic.
Larry C.
Lake Odessa, MI

“…..I had started asparagus last year and had poor growth and lots of weeds. Then I met Mr. Cain at MOSES conference where he convinced me to try SEA-90.  He informed me that all the “old timers” used rock sea salt on their asparagus and the practice ended after WW2 when the chemical companies started pushing herbicides.  Then came root rot fungus and the demise of the asparagus industry in many areas of our country.  SEA-90 appears to serves two functions.  The sea minerals deter weed growth and restrict asparagus seed germination plus fertilizes the plants with all the minerals and trace elements. My asparagus could not be any healthier or more vigorous!” (3)
Piper Farms, WI

Those are just a few samples of the testimonials. I am sure you could get a lot of third-party opinions on whether it works well online by contacting people on various forums and websites who have used it.

And it's just one option of many. Why are you ignoring all the alternatives except what the MSM gives out?

[WhiteWitch]

You think Im using the Mainstream Media to get my info and then you quote customer testemonials from the manufacturers website?

Agriculture and Nutrition are linked but not the same industry. I got my info from the people taking the EU to court over the Food Supplements Directive. The people fighting for Truth in Medicine, the one and only Natural Health Organisation to have a seat at Codex Alimentarius and many other well respected Nutritional Therapists. You got your info from the website of the company pushing the product.. Can you see my point here??

Believe me Shroom's father is a well respected agricultural scientist and he is not well versed in nutrition. Agriculture is about the fields and Nutrition is about our bodies usage of nutrients. They are very far removed from each other, so even the customer testimonials are not worth a thing.

[Femacamper]

You think Im using the Mainstream Media to get my info and then you quote customer testemonials from the manufacturers website?

Agriculture and Nutrition are linked but not the same industry. I got my info from the people taking the EU to court over the Food Supplements Directive. The people fighting for Truth in Medicine, the one and only Natural Health Organisation to have a seat at Codex Alimentarius and many other well respected Nutritional Therapists. You got your info from the website of the company pushing the product.. Can you see my point here??

Believe me Shroom's father is a well respected agricultural scientist and he is not well versed in nutrition. Agriculture is about the fields and Nutrition is about our bodies usage of nutrients. They are very far removed from each other, so even the customer testimonials are not worth a thing.

I've read testimonials on another site too, I'm sure I could find more. Just giving examples...

[Kilika]

Codex Alimentarius

Are you aware of this UN-sponsored directive? Are you aware that membership in the World Health Organization is dependent on a country following the policies of the Codex? I hope your not looking to them for credibility. The Codex is part of the globalist problem that's being forced on countries, including the US. Their policies on natural supplements, vitiamins, planting food crops, etc is outrageous. If I remember correctly, the Codex even promotes and dictates in some cases the use of GMO in beef and other products.

[WhiteWitch]

Please read what I said, seeing that the plants grow is one thing, sure you can grow perfect looking and flourishing tomatoes hydroponically, but they are nutritionally void. The people involved in agriculture are looking for their crops to grow as opposed to fail, to resist infection and to look ok. They dont look into the bio-availability of the nutrients in their products. Otherwise non organic produce would not exist.

And Lefty, Im not relying on Codex for anything, we have to pay a fine yearly in the EU for every country as the EU rejected the use of rBGH. I am vehemently opposed to Codex, and was pointing out that they should not be trusted in any way shape or form.

[Dig]

In fact it was in the key surrender to the power of private corporate banksters (private ownership of money casino) that the whole thing came finally and irretrievably undone. Now we are back to peasants vs corporate warLORDs again.

There never was a surrender, it has been the same fight for over 100 years since the BS Supreme Court non-decision was manipulated into a complete hoax about the fake rights of corporations.

It only took a moment of misplaced trust in the wrong people by a foolish, altruistic, elite snob named Woodrow, now we have a fundamental property rights conundrum that cannot be undone within the law, nor argued within what seems to be "reason".

Woodrow came after the SCOTUS corporation decision and Woodrow was not the only issue (although that does not forget what he has done). We can see the history, the incestuous nutbrains, it is obvious.

Lincoln was so very correct, today, we don't even recognize what "American" means anymore.

Him and many others, but that to me is part of the beauty of America. We can trace back exactly what happened and we still have the constitution which they have been destroying since the day it was ratified.

Taking our "money power" away from us was the straw that broke the camels back. We are anti-Wilsonians, not "Tea Partiers"

hmmm, good point. That takes away the BS narrative about "revolutionaries". We are actually defenders of the true government. We are against the attempted and continued slow coup by violent radicalized dictatorial control freak bloodthirsty elite nutjobs.

[Kilika]

Please read what I said, seeing that the plants grow is one thing, sure you can grow perfect looking and flourishing tomatoes hydroponically, but they are nutritionally void. The people involved in agriculture are looking for their crops to grow as opposed to fail, to resist infection and to look ok. They dont look into the bio-availability of the nutrients in their products. Otherwise non organic produce would not exist.

And Lefty, Im not relying on Codex for anything, we have to pay a fine yearly in the EU for every country as the EU rejected the use of rBGH. I am vehemently opposed to Codex, and was pointing out that they should not be trusted in any way shape or form.

Cool. I suspected you did oppose it, just wanted to make sure.

Am I correct about the GMO beef? Don't want to start any false rumors.

[Dig]

Pretty amazing that the longest thread ever promoting the bullshit overpopulation theory on this forum coincides with a fricking hostage situation at Discovery demanding that humans are a parasitic virus.

I think maybe the HAARP looped programming of the week had to do with overpopulation bullshit.

Sometimes it has to do with blame capitalism

Sometimes it is its the jooooos

sometimes it is Al-Qaeda is everywhere

you can tell the HAARP ELF programming by the odd narratives that we almost feel within ourselves.

HAARP...it does society goooooooood.

[NOTE: I have no fricking clue if HAARP really has any of this power throughout such large areas, and I have no clue if it did it would be used for this purpose. But it does make ya wonder huh?]

[Kilika]

Yes sir, it sure does!

[WhiteWitch]

What about GMO beef and where?

Do you mean the cloned beef that made it into the UK food supply?

[Kilika]

Seems I remember the Codex has clauses about GMO being used, promotes it.

[agentbluescreen]

Dig deeper. You're telling me the earth doesn't have enough minerals in it? That is laughable.

At any rate, if and when we do need more rocks, we can mine them from asteroids, other planets, moons, etc...

We need a wider range of fertilization.

Pardon me but I just had a good belly laugh at the LULZ in this part of your post.

Do you have any idea whatsoever what you are saying there?

First off you talk about the earth as if it was "ours" - it is not, it is "real estate". As soon as any new resources are found they are instantly bought up and become "real estate" owned by the guys who already own and rent us all the money that's in your pocket there. They in turn then decide how much they want to keep and how much you and I will pay THEM for what they are willing to pay to dig up, process and part with at a handsome profit that will make sure they can buy up any more anyone else might later come across, as well .

Do you not understand how the power of wealth concentrates it? More people need more "money" making it worth less and owned things worth more (work). Meanwhile they take a cut off of every new dollar they print and lend-out to serve the utility of feeding every (ever-cheaper, lucky, deserving and fortunate only) new mouth that comes along.

Did you ever watch the ridiculous and ludicrously stupid movie Armageddon?

Do you have any idea how much money, minerals, labor, material, fuel and other precious resources it takes to mount a mining (drilling LOL) mission to another celestial body? FYI That movie was a complete farce, because one cannot drill through anything with a drilling rig without a small lake of wet (water) heavy drilling mud-fluid to lubricate the drill and float out the drill tailings with!!

The whole story was pure fiction and totally impossible nonsense.  The sheer cost of bringing the tools, personnel, life support equipment, and supplies you'd need to mine anything on another planet would so vastly exceed the value of anything you could ever afford to ship back that the notion is ludicrous, they'd be better off to just move people and stuff there to dig up their own stuff for them to use colonizing there. Space isn't an ocean you can just float junk across on.

I'm not saying we cannot support all of our brothers and sisters on this planet as it is, I'm pointing out how, within the finite owned-systems of "currency, resource and trade economics" we find ourselves imprisoned within today it is foolish to continue to expand our human population beyond the apparently unsustainable limits we have already apparently surpassed.

In this instance I'm pointing out how Hollywood Sci-fi movies create the illusion of quick fixes that are grossly incorrect and phony and nothing like the realities.

Making fertilizer (and modern agriculture itself) is the conversion of petroleum into food. While we are luckily still finding more oil in ever remoter locations it may as well be on other planets for all the more cost risk and trouble it is to get to, and that too is also "owned".

[WhiteWitch]

Seems I remember the Codex has clauses about GMO being used, promotes it.

Would not surprise me in the slightest..

And yeah, the mining rocks from asteroids as AgentBlueScreen brought to my attention (how did I miss that gem of ignoarance)
As I pointed out up thread, vitamin C hinders our space travel.. Its water soluble and is damaged by everything, heat, moisture, light, cold.. An orange has lost 40% of its vitamin C within 24 hours of being picked. If we were to rely on supplements they would degrade too. Besides, we'd need an absolutely enormous ship just to carry enough vitamin C pills to sustain the crew, never mind the food or water..

[Femacamper]

Pardon me but I just had a good belly laugh at the LULZ in this part of your post.

Do you have any idea whatsoever what you are saying there?

First off you talk about the earth as if it was "ours" - it is not, it is "real estate". As soon as any new resources are found they are instantly bought up and become "real estate" owned by the guys who already own and rent us all the money that's in your pocket there. They in turn then decide how much they want to keep and how much you and I will pay THEM for what they are willing to pay to dig up, process and part with at a handsome profit that will make sure they can buy up any more anyone else might later come across, as well .

Do you not understand how the power of wealth concentrates it? More people need more "money" making it worth less and owned things worth more (work). Meanwhile they take a cut off of every new dollar they print and lend-out to serve the utility of feeding every (ever-cheaper, lucky, deserving and fortunate only) new mouth that comes along.

Did you ever watch the ridiculous and ludicrously stupid movie Armageddon?

Do you have any idea how much money, minerals, labor, material, fuel and other precious resources it takes to mount a mining (drilling LOL) mission to another celestial body? FYI That movie was a complete farce, because one cannot drill through anything with a drilling rig without a small lake of wet (water) heavy drilling mud-fluid to lubricate the drill and float out the drill tailings with!!

The whole story was pure fiction and totally impossible nonsense.  The sheer cost of bringing the tools, personnel, life support equipment, and supplies you'd need to mine anything on another planet would so vastly exceed the value of anything you could ever afford to ship back that the notion is ludicrous, they'd be better off to just move people and stuff there to dig up their own stuff for them to use colonizing there. Space isn't an ocean you can just float junk across on.

I'm not saying we cannot support all of our brothers and sisters on this planet as it is, I'm pointing out how, within the finite owned-systems of "currency, resource and trade economics" we find ourselves imprisoned within today it is foolish to continue to expand our human population beyond the apparently unsustainable limits we have already apparently surpassed.

In this instance I'm pointing out how Hollywood Sci-fi movies create the illusion of quick fixes that are grossly incorrect and phony and nothing like the realities.

Making fertilizer (and modern agriculture itself) is the conversion of petroleum into food. While we are luckily still finding more oil in ever remoter locations it may as well be on other planets for all the more cost risk and trouble it is to get to, and that too is also "owned".

The naysayers, like you, said man would never fly. Guess they were wrong.

[Femacamper]

Would not surprise me in the slightest..

And yeah, the mining rocks from asteroids as AgentBlueScreen brought to my attention (how did I miss that gem of ignoarance)
As I pointed out up thread, vitamin C hinders our space travel.. Its water soluble and is damaged by everything, heat, moisture, light, cold.. An orange has lost 40% of its vitamin C within 24 hours of being picked. If we were to rely on supplements they would degrade too. Besides, we'd need an absolutely enormous ship just to carry enough vitamin C pills to sustain the crew, never mind the food or water..

What solutions can you offer besides the global depopulation plan the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds are offering, WhiteWitch?

[donnay]

Well the only way they can position it is to use a grain of truth..

And you didn't answer my question.. I'm not talkin about the UNs preservation agenda, because they reckon we can live on sodium selenite and dl-alpha tocopherol.. I'm talkin about the real issue. Mineral depletion in the soil.. Seeing as we can't magic it up outta nowhere what do you think we should do? Or are you just gonna quote me more stuff about eugenics?

There won't be a species to wipe out if we don't have the nutrients to sustain ourselves..

Mineral depletion in the soil does not come from growing, per se, it comes from the fertilizers farmers apply, that government told them to use.  Take a trip to the midwest, and follow the runoff down the Mississippi sometime.  People freak out (and for good reason) all the dead fish that accumulate at the mouth of the Mississippi delta each year. Nitrogen and phosphorous in moderation is one thing, but in large doses the fish cannot survive, and it causes a whole host of chain reactions--one being, algae blooms.   People are then cautioned not to swim in those areas.

Just this year on the east coast, with all the heat, we had beaches closed due to the tremendous algae blooms--or as they call it here, red tides.  Also, in New Jersey and New York people were witnessing dead fish everywhere---caused by the heat induced algae blooms--it happens all the time when the water heats up.  

Farmers for centuries knew to rotate crop.  They also used natural/organic fertilizers and used other methods of dealing with insects, blight and disease-- that were not destructive to the soil.  So on that note, if government minded their own business and let the farmers farm, and the fisherman fish and allow people to buy, sell or trade without any interference at all, this world would have plenty of nourishing food to go around--infinity, IMHO.

[WhiteWitch]

Yeah and loads of people died of scurvy at sea.. The most stable vitamin C supplements you can buy have a shelf life of a year max.. How do you reackon we overcome that one?

As I said already, we are not in critical mass right now, that much is apparent.
If we were to encourage more responsible parenting, and this means really teaching our kids about cause and effect, so that they may realise how much work having kids is before they jump into it, and hopefully become responsible parents themselves.

How many parents have kids and then mess them up? How many parents feed their kids a host of deep fried and microwaved processed shite? How many parents cant even look after themselves never mind a child? How many parents outright abuse their kids? How many kids live in care or in orphanages most of their lives?

Dont you think the children deserve better?

We also should not assume that taming a teenagers sexual insincts is a possibility, they are raging bags of hormones, and no matter how much they are told not to, the majority will be having sex. Especially if its taboo or rebellious, this is a part of adolescence. So if they're gonna have sex, why not have safe sex? (Altho not the big pharma way, we could do with some updates to the condoms to ensure they are completely safe too)

We wont change the world overnight, but if we started educating our kids now about the future consequences of their actions, then perhaps we might have less people, due to many deciding not to procreate (of their own volition), and they would be more responsible for their actions having been brought up that way.

You gotta have some respect for the planet, its our home. Like I say to others, you dont piss on the couch at your house do you? No, because you want to show your material belongings respect, but you destroy the earth every day.. How can you rationalise destruction of the earths natural resources in your head? Or are you just counting on the fact it wont happen in your lifetime?


Donnay, you are correct, the minerals are washed out of our soil, but it is the farming that brings them so close to the surface that they can be washed out.
And we cannot replenish them all as simply as you may think, which is a very sad, but true, fact. It is the amount we take from the soil vs how much we can put back that causes the decline.

[Dig]

Hey look, the illuminated nutballs have flipped the switch.

Looks like CSIS has been planning some insane GAIA uprising for a while.

Maybe because CSIS controls the Environmental nutjobs in the first place?

1:00:00

http://media.csis.org/hs/100310_terrorist_threat.mp3

"Unfortunately, I think the Next wave is going to make those Jihadi's look a little quaint. My fear, and you know, fundamentalist environmentalists - Earth First, Gaia, you know, we're ruining the world, we're ruining the Earth, because of pollution, because of global warming, and in order to save the planet and preserve the human race, you may have to kill 80% of the people, because you know, because what's really ruining it is overpopulation, and the only thing that can kill that efficiently are biological weapons. This is a covert biological weapon, and you already see this on some extremist website, and this is really scary. I mean, you're talking about five billion people dying here."

REMEMBER PEOPLE - THIS IS SAID NOT ON A CONSPIRACY THEORY SHOW, THIS IS A GODDAMN FORUM OF THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES. BUT WHAT THIS GUY DOESN'T REALIZE IS - HIS f**kING BOSSES ARE IN CHARGE OF THESE TECHNO-GAIANS.

HEY BUDDY - YOUR BOSSES ARE SO GODDAMN SATANIC YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE. DON'T BE AFRAID OF THOSE SANDAL WEARERS - BE AFRAID OF YOUR BOSSES, WHO ARE FUNNELING THOSE ECO-FASCISTS WITH BIG LINES OF CASH AND BIOWEAPONS!!!! (LIKE MR. ERIC PIANKA!!!!)

UNf**kING-BELIEVABLE.  

The entire overpopulation bullshit is a program that they control.

If you do not realize that yet, please read the CSIS documentation ASAP!

[Dig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaos_Experiment

http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/4449/The-Chaos-Experiment-Trailer

[donnay]

Donnay, you are correct, the minerals are washed out of our soil, but it is the farming that brings them so close to the surface that they can be washed out.
And we cannot replenish them all as simply as you may think, which is a very sad, but true, fact. It is the amount we take from the soil vs how much we can put back that causes the decline.

See the reason I am not buying this 'depletion theory' is because the same song and dance was played out when we were a REAL industrial society.  We had all the do-gooders telling us we were depleting the earth of copper, silver, coal and other minerals when we mined.  Now that we barely mine, due to government regulations, what was there next target-- they went after the farmers because as many have stated here, the agenda is to control the food supply.  If they control the food supply they control the world.  By following the same mantra you are giving more leverage to the control freaks--hence controlling our food supply and causing genocide across the globe.

"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world."  ~Henry Kissinger

[Dig]

Who is CSIS?

http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_events/task,view/id,1468/

The CSIS Europe and International Security Programs, in partnership with the Noaber Foundation, hosted the launch of "Towards a Grand Strategy for an Uncertain World: Renewing the Transatlantic Partnership," a new report authored by Gen. Dr. Klaus Naumann (Germany), Gen. John Shalikashvili (United States), Field Marshal The Lord Inge (United Kingdom), Adm. Jacques Lanxade (France), and Gen. Henk van den Breemen (the Netherlands), with Benjamin Bilski and Douglas Murray.  The event also featured commentary by Robert E. Hunter, former U.S. Ambassador to NATO.

From the Executive Summary of the CSIS (Center for Strategic & International Studies):
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/events/080110_grand_strategy.pdf

In every country, and at all times, we like to rely on certainty.
But in a world of asymmetric threats and global challenges, our
governments and peoples are uncertain about what the
threats are and how they should face the complicated world before them.
After explaining the complexity of the threats, the authors
assess current capabilities and analyse the deficiencies in existing
institutions, concluding that no nation and no institution is capable
of dealing with current and future problems on its own.
The only way to deal with these threats and challenges is
through an integrated and allied strategic approach,
which includes both non-military and military capabilities.
Based on this, the authors propose a new grand strategy,
which could be adopted by both organisations and nations,
and then look for the options of how to implement such a strategy.

They then conclude, given the challenges the world faces,
that this is not the time to start from scratch. Thus, existing
institutions, rather than new ones, are our best hope for dealing
with current threats. The authors further conclude that, of the
present institutions, NATO is the most appropriate to serve
as a core element of a future security architecture, providing it
fully transforms and adapts to meet the present challenges.
NATO needs more non-military capabilities, and this underpins
the need for better cooperation with the European Union.

Following that approach, the authors propose a short-, a
medium- and a long-term agenda for change. For the
short term, they focus on the critical situation for NATO in Afghanistan,
where NATO is at a juncture and runs the risk of failure.
For this reason, they propose a series of steps that should
be taken in order to achieve success. These include
improved cost-sharing and transfer of operational command.
Most importantly, the authors stress that, for NATO nations
to succeed, they must resource operations properly, share
the risks and possess the political will to sustain operations.

As a medium-term agenda the authors propose the development
of a new strategic concept for NATO. They offer ideas on how
to solve the problem of the rivalry with the EU, and how to
give NATO access to other than military instruments. They
further propose bringing future enlargement and partnership
into line with NATO’s strategic objectives and purpose.
In their long-term agenda the authors propose abandonment
of the two-pillar concept of America and Europe cooperating,
and they suggest aiming for the long-term vision of an
alliance of democracies ranging from Finland to Alaska.
To begin the process, they propose the establishment
of a directorate consisting of the USA, the EU and NATO.
Such a directorate should coordinate all cooperation in the common
transatlantic sphere of interest. The authors believe
that the proposed agenda could be a first step towards a
renewal of the transatlantic partnership, eventually leading to
an alliance of democratic nations and an increase in certainty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_L._Jones

NATO SACEUR & COMUSEUCOM (2003-2006)




http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/08/why-cia-veterans-are-scared-of-mccain.html

"Lots of people talk to John on foreign policy matters—not just Randy Scheunemann," Kostiw adds, ticking off a list of realist Republican foreign policy hands: Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to President George H.W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, General Jim Jones of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, former defense secretary James Schlesinger. But are these people really in McCain's inner circle? "The inner circle is the critical issue," Kostiw concedes.


http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_experts/task,view/type,34/id,464/

James L. Jones CSIS Trustee

The Chairman of the Board of Trustees is Sam Nunn, a former Democratic Senator from Georgia and longtime chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services. Its board of trustees includes many former senior government officials including Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, William Cohen, George Argyros and Brent Scowcroft.

Source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/MR-JONES-WE-GOT-A-THING-by-Bruce-K-Gagnon-081202-339.html


December 2, 2008 at 10:21:58

Mr. Jones, We got a Thing Going On

by Bruce K. Gagnon


Gen. Jones being introduced by Bush's former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz


Obama's National Security Adviser pick, Gen. James Jones, will "impose discipline on the members of the [national security] team," says Zbigniew Brzezinski. "We will see more global political planning under Gen. Jones," Brzezinski predicts.

Brzezinski, who served as Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser and was one of Obama's early supporters, was interviewed yesterday by his daughter Mika on MSNBC's Morning Joe news talk program.

One MSNBC reporter said Obama's foreign policy will be similar to that of George H.W. Bush. Correspondent Chuck Todd reported that Gen. Jones is a close buddy of John McCain and was likely picked for his new role because Secretary of Defense (DoD) Robert Gates insisted on having Jones be part of the team if Obama wanted Gates to remain at DoD.

Gen. Jones, since retiring from the Marine Corps where he served as head of NATO, now sits on the boards of Chevron oil, Boeing Aerospace, and Cross Match Technologies where they are creating “identity management solutions” including, fingerprint and palm scanners, facial recognition solutions, and iris capture devices.

Gen. Jones should fit in well with Obama's call for an expanded war in Afghanistan. In an interview with Sea Power Magazine in November 2002, Jones praised the role of technology and transformation in the advancement of military supremacy: “We will truly be able to accomplish missions like Afghanistan without breaking a sweat,” he said.

Such confidence. You know the old saying, "American power knows no limits."

According to one peace researcher, Gen. Jones Jones is also an advocate of a “Trans-Sahara Counterterrorism Initiative,” an “interagency plan to combat terrorism in trans-Saharan Africa using a range of political, economic and security tools.”

The bulk of this strategy is aimed at funding, training, and supplying arms to a professional African security force, which will take directions from the U.S. and NATO.

"Africa's vast potential makes African stability a near-term global strategic imperative," Jones said. "Development of effective security structures in Africa will establish the foundation for future success."

Success for whom you might ask?

One of the first tasks for Jones will likely be to find a country on the African continent to host the Pentagon's new command - Africa Command (AfriCom). Up to this point most African countries have been reluctant to agree to host the command fully understanding the U.S. has designs on the significant resource base on the continent. But with a black president ,with roots in Kenya, it is likely that Obama will lead the U.S. military into greater control of Africa. The Pentagon, during the Bush administration, boldly predicted that "We will be fighting in Africa 20 years from now."

Jones will be a key player in the expansion of U.S. military global operations. Watch him like a hawk.

Source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/MR-JONES-WE-GOT-A-THING-by-Bruce-K-Gagnon-081202-339.html

[Dig]

A Message to the Environmental Movement
Your movement has been hijacked

James Corbett
The Corbett Report
25 November, 2009


The Corbett Report has released a new video message to the environmental movement. Watch the video by clicking here or in the embedded player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEggt0ldQUI

Transcript: This is James Corbett of corbettreport.com and I come here today with a message for you.

You the environmentalists, you the activists, you the campaigners.

You who have watched with growing concern the ways in which the world around us has been ravaged in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

You who are concerned with the state of the planet that we are leaving for our children and our grandchildren and those generations yet unborn.

This is not a message of divisiveness, but cooperation.

This is a message of hope and empowerment, but it requires us to look at a hard and uncomfortable truth:

Your movement has been usurped by the very same financial interests you thought you were fighting against.

You have suspected as much for years.

You watched at first with hope and excitement as your movement, your cause, your message began to spread, as it was taken up by the media and given attention, as conferences were organized and as the ideas you had struggled so long and hard to be heard were talked about nationally. Then internationally.

You watched with growing unease as the message was simplified. First it became a slogan. Then it became a brand. Soon it was nothing more than a label and it became attached to products. The ideas you had once fought for were now being sold back to you. For profit.

You watched with growing unease as the message became parroted, not argued, worn like a fashion rather than something that came from the conviction of understanding.

You disagreed when the slogans--and then the science--were dumbed down. When carbon dioxide became the focus and CO2 was taken up as a political cause. Soon it was the only cause.

You knew that Al Gore was not a scientist, that his evidence was factually incorrect, that the movement was being taken over by a cause that was not your own, one that relied on beliefs you did not share to propose a solution you did not want. It began to reach a breaking point when you saw that the solutions being proposed were not solutions at all, when they began to propose new taxes and new markets that would only serve to line their own pockets.

You knew something was wrong when you saw them argue for a cap-and-trade scheme proposed by Ken Lay, when you saw Goldman Sachs position itself to ride the carbon trading bubble, when the whole thrust of the movement became ways to make money or spend money or raise money from this panic.

Your movement had been hijacked.

The realization came the first time you read The Club of Rome's 1991 book, The First Global Revolution, which says:

And when you looked at the Club of Rome's elite member roster. And when you learnt about eugenics and the Rockefeller ties to the Kaiser Willhelm Institute and the practice of crypto-eugenics and the rise of overpopulation fearmongering and the call by elitist after elitist after elitist to cull the world population.

Still, you wanted to believe that there was some basis of truth, something real and valuable in the single-minded obsession of this hijacked environmental movement with manmade global warming.

Now, in November 2009, the last traces of doubt have been removed.

Last week, an insider leaked internal documents and emails from the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University and exposed the lies, manipulation and fraud behind the studies that supposedly show 0.6 degrees Celsius of warming over the last 130 years. And the hockey stick graph that supposedly shows unprecedented warming in our times. And the alarmist warning of impending climate disaster.

We now know that these scientists wrote programming notes in the source code of their own climate models admitting that results were being manually adjusted.

We now know that values were being adjusted to conform to scientists' wishes, not reality.

We now know that the peer review process itself was being perverted to exclude those scientists whose work criticized their findings.

We now know that these scientists privately expressed doubts about the science that they publicly claimed to be settled.

We now know, in short, that they were lying.

It is unknown as yet what the fallout will be from all of this, but it is evident that the fallout will be substantial.

With this crisis, however, comes an opportunity. An opportunity to recapture the movement that the financiers have stolen from the people.

Together, we can demand a full and independent investigation into all of the researchers whose work was implicated in the CRU affair.

We can demand a full re-evaluation of all those studies whose conclusions have been thrown into question by these revelations, and all of the public policy that has been based on those studies.

We can establish new standards of transparency for scientists whose work is taxpayer funded and/or whose work effects public policy, so that everyone has full and equal access to the data used to calculate results and all of the source code used in all of the programs used to model that data.

In other words, we can reaffirm that no cause is worth supporting that requires deception for its propagation.

Even more importantly, we can take back the environmental movement.

We can begin to concentrate on the serious questions that need to be asked about the genetic engineering technology whereby hybrid organisms and new, never-before-seen proteins that are being released into the biosphere in a giant, uncontrolled experiment that threatens the very genome of life on this planet.

We can look into the environmental causes of the explosion in cancer and the staggering drops in fertility over the last 50 years, including the BPA in our plastics and the anti-androgens in the water.

We can examine regulatory agencies that are controlled by the very corporations they are supposedly watching over.

We can begin focusing on depleted uranium and the dumping of toxic waste into the rivers and all of the issues that we once knew were part of the mandate of the real environmental movement.

Or we can, as some have, descend into petty partisan politics. We can decide that lies are OK if they support 'our' side. We can defend the reprehensible actions of the CRU researchers and rally around the green flag that has long since been captured by the enemy.

It is a simple decision to make, but one that we must make quickly, before the argument can be spun away and environmentalism can go back to business as usual.

We are at a crossroads of history. And make no mistake, history will be the final judge of our actions. So I leave you today with a simple question: Which side of history do you want to be on?

For The Corbett Report, this is James Corbett in western Japan.

[Dig]

I bet most of the Peter Joseph GAIA morons have no clue that they are the new Al-Qaeda for Rothschild/Rockefeller to complete the cybernetics agenda.

[citizenx]

Seem to be several different (related) ISIS's (Institutes for Strategic and Security Studies) around the world.

I would look out for those organizations as well.

[Femacamper]

What solutions can you offer besides the global depopulation plan the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds are offering, WhiteWitch?

[Dig]

I cannot get away from this quote by CSIS.

If they really were concerned about such terrorists who have the power and motive to do this, theyn why aren't they going after Prince Philip?

1:00:00

http://media.csis.org/hs/100310_terrorist_threat.mp3

"Unfortunately, I think the Next wave is going to make those Jihadi's look a little quaint. My fear, and you know, fundamentalist environmentalists - Earth First, Gaia, you know, we're ruining the world, we're ruining the Earth, because of pollution, because of global warming, and in order to save the planet and preserve the human race, you may have to kill 80% of the people, because you know, because what's really ruining it is overpopulation, and the only thing that can kill that efficiently are biological weapons. This is a covert biological weapon, and you already see this on some extremist website, and this is really scary. I mean, you're talking about five billion people dying here."

REMEMBER PEOPLE - THIS IS SAID NOT ON A CONSPIRACY THEORY SHOW, THIS IS A GODDAMN FORUM OF THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES. BUT WHAT THIS GUY DOESN'T REALIZE IS - HIS f**kING BOSSES ARE IN CHARGE OF THESE TECHNO-GAIANS.

HEY BUDDY - YOUR BOSSES ARE SO GODDAMN SATANIC YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE. DON'T BE AFRAID OF THOSE SANDAL WEARERS - BE AFRAID OF YOUR BOSSES, WHO ARE FUNNELING THOSE ECO-FASCISTS WITH BIG LINES OF CASH AND BIOWEAPONS!!!! (LIKE MR. ERIC PIANKA!!!!)

UNf**kING-BELIEVABLE.  

Read it a few times, it is difficult to realize that this is a statement from CSIS whose board members are people who have been diverting billions to create such viruses for decades.

And now back to Prince Philip who has 1,000x the means to do such a thing...

PRINCE PHILIP
HUSBAND OF QUEEN ELIZABETH II

RULER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"In the event that I am reincarnated,
I would like to return as a deadly virus,
in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PRINCE PHILIP'S NAZI LINKS
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/051208_prince_philip.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Dig]

Environmentalists are the new Al-Qaeda according to CSIS requiring newer and more sophisticated weaponry that CSIS has been diverting funds toward for decades.

[WhiteWitch]

Er, did I say anything about killing anyone? NO.
Did I suggest that we become a little more concerned with the consequences of our actions? YES.

Are you seriously suggesting that single teenage moms, orphaned children, malnourished children, and abused children is better than encouraging people to actually think before they start a family?
And femacamper, I answered your question already, why did you ask it again?

All your conspiracy hacks have missed a vital factor.. Not one of them knows a goddamn thing about NUTRITION. They can say all they like about their constitution, 9/11 and whatever else they have studied in detail. But when it comes to food I can guarantee you they've probably got just as much knowledge as your local doctor.

Now if only someone could actually read what I said instead of putting words in my mouth (Dig ). Like I said my sources are the guys who are actually out there doing something to fight the tyranny over our food. Like the ANH & CTM. Believe me, these guys have to know their stuff if they're gonna quash the food supplements directive.. And they have to remain beyond reproach in order to have a hope in hell.


Its you who is falling for the nonsense. The "our soil is still as rich in minerals as it ever was" is the same argument as "non organic produce has the same amount of nutrients as organic", it comes from CODEX. Who are the WHO and the FAO, and in turn the UN..

You claim the UN are evil and then you use their lines to back up your statements, I can see you really have your thinking caps on..

I'd like to see Alex Jones and your other sources quoted there go head to head with Phillip Day or Robert Verkerk..Mike Adams even.. They would not stand a chance with this eugenics bull crap youre trying to pull..

[Dig]

"Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable."
Sir Julian Huxley, first Director General of UNESCO, 1946-1948.
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"The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, outspoken atheist and socialist, founder of the Voluntary Parenthood League in 1914, and responsible for opening the first birth control clinic in the United States in New York City.
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"Under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not the character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner. . . ." [This is compassionate liberalism.]
Fabian Socialist Bernard Shaw in his Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism, 1928.
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"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future."
U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.
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"The case for government by elites is irrefutable."
Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium entitled: The Elite and the Electorate - Is Government by the People Possible?
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"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist.... I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."
Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.
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"It is now apparent that the ecological pragmatism of the so-called pagan religions, such as that of the American Indians, the Polynesians, and the Australian Aborigines, was a great deal more realistic in terms of conservation ethics than the more intellectual monotheistic philosophies of the revealed religions."
Press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on the occasion of the ``Caring for Creation'' conference of the North American Conference on Religion and Ecology, May 18, 1990.
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"I don't claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the 'cull' to the size of the surplus population."
Preface to Down to Earth by HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, 1988, p.|8.

[Femacamper]

Er, did I say anything about killing anyone? NO.
Did I suggest that we become a little more concerned with the consequences of our actions? YES.

Are you seriously suggesting that single teenage moms, orphaned children, malnourished children, and abused children is better than encouraging people to actually think before they start a family?
And femacamper, I answered your question already, why did you ask it again?

All your conspiracy hacks have missed a vital factor.. Not one of them knows a goddamn thing about NUTRITION. They can say all they like about their constitution, 9/11 and whatever else they have studied in detail. But when it comes to food I can guarantee you they've probably got just as much knowledge as your local doctor.

Now if only someone could actually read what I said instead of putting words in my mouth (Dig ). Like I said my sources are the guys who are actually out there doing something to fight the tyranny over our food. Like the ANH & CTM. Believe me, these guys have to know their stuff if they're gonna quash the food supplements directive.. And they have to remain beyond reproach in order to have a hope in hell.


Its you who is falling for the nonsense. The "our soil is still as rich in minerals as it ever was" is the same argument as "non organic produce has the same amount of nutrients as organic", it comes from CODEX. Who are the WHO and the FAO, and in turn the UN..

You claim the UN are evil and then you use their lines to back up your statements, I can see you really have your thinking caps on..

I'd like to see Alex Jones and your other sources quoted there go head to head with Phillip Day or Robert Verkerk..Mike Adams even.. They would not stand a chance with this eugenics bull crap youre trying to pull..

LOL...nice rant, wish it were true. Typical self-righteous UN enviro-goddess cronyism. You misquote, and inaccurately and unfairly assess everyone who opposes your painfully dangerous Rockefelleran & Rothschildian ideas on this thread.

And I'd love to see Alex Jones absolutely demolish everyone of these NWO puppets live on his show. Call them up and ask Alex to interview them.

[Dig]

Er, did I say anything about killing anyone? NO.
Did I suggest that we become a little more concerned with the consequences of our actions? YES.

Are you seriously suggesting that single teenage moms, orphaned children, malnourished children, and abused children is better than encouraging people to actually think before they start a family?
And femacamper, I answered your question already, why did you ask it again?

All your conspiracy hacks have missed a vital factor.. Not one of them knows a goddamn thing about NUTRITION. They can say all they like about their constitution, 9/11 and whatever else they have studied in detail. But when it comes to food I can guarantee you they've probably got just as much knowledge as your local doctor.

Now if only someone could actually read what I said instead of putting words in my mouth (Dig ). Like I said my sources are the guys who are actually out there doing something to fight the tyranny over our food. Like the ANH & CTM. Believe me, these guys have to know their stuff if they're gonna quash the food supplements directive.. And they have to remain beyond reproach in order to have a hope in hell.


Its you who is falling for the nonsense. The "our soil is still as rich in minerals as it ever was" is the same argument as "non organic produce has the same amount of nutrients as organic", it comes from CODEX. Who are the WHO and the FAO, and in turn the UN..

You claim the UN are evil and then you use their lines to back up your statements, I can see you really have your thinking caps on..

I'd like to see Alex Jones and your other sources quoted there go head to head with Phillip Day or Robert Verkerk..Mike Adams even.. They would not stand a chance with this eugenics bull crap youre trying to pull..

I am trying to explain that the environmental movement has been hijacked and there is a plan to target the whole movement by radicalizing a few.

I am trying to explain that environmentalists going after population reduction issues need to be aware of who CSIS is and what they stated.

If you care about the environment, let people know about this.

This is like Brzezinski in the 1970's seducing random arabs to be a part of radical fake islam.

And who the heck mentioned you, WTF?

This is for everybody, no one is mentioning you. If you did not post one post on this thread I still would be warning anyone who is not making over $1 Billion a year that this is their plans.

Why did you feel that this has anything to do with you whatsoever?

[Freeski]

I bet most of the Peter Joseph GAIA morons have no clue that they are the new Al-Qaeda for Rothschild/Rockefeller to complete the cybernetics agenda.

Or, maybe they do know but just don't know that what they're doing is wrong? Compartmentalization?

Also, the first thing a Canadian thinks of when he (or she ) hears the term CSIS, one thinks of the CI-Eh?

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The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) plays a leading role in protecting the national security interests of Canada by investigating and reporting on threats to the security of Canada. Guided by the rule of law and the protection of human rights, CSIS works within Canada’s integrated national security framework to provide advice to the Government of Canada on these threats.

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/index-eng.asp

How's that for a mindf**k?