Brainwashed Malthusian Zombies Parrot OVERPOPULATION MYTH on a Truth Forum

[Femacamper]

not most, 30%. after i first saw it i was thinking it was 95% right, now I am down to 70%.

it is a journey, it is a ride. after a while you can tell the shit from shinola pretty easily.

I think everyone should see it. and cooper's mystery babylon is like 35 hrs of audio and it is a bit tough because there is 5 mins in beginning middle and end that could be removed from each hour. but the other 45 mins each are historical and must listens.

I hear a lot of good things about Bill Cooper...even from those who aren't in the movement.

[Femacamper]

I studied Malthusianism and discovered what I am: a Cornucopian.

Check it out:

A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally they believe that there is enough matter and energy on the Earth to provide for the estimated peak population of about 9.5 billion in 2050.[citation needed] However, this would imply there is already enough for the current world population, but as starvation and fuel poverty  have not yet been eradicated, the argument therefore is that the problem is not a lack of resources but rather inadequate distribution through the current economic and political systems. Looking further into the future they posit that the abundance of matter and energy in space would appear to give humanity almost unlimited room for growth.

The term comes from the cornucopia, the "horn of plenty" of Greek mythology, which magically supplied its owners with endless food and drink. The cornucopians are sometimes known as "Boomsters", and their philosophic opponents—Malthus and his school—are called "Doomsters" or "Doomers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopian

[citizenx]

Careful with the Amen buddy!  (refuring to the Empire of the City)

In Hebrew, "Ameyn".  Definitely not derived from "Ammon"/"Amoun"/"Amen", the Egyptian god.  You would have to explain where the "Yod" came from etymologically.  Linguistically, that make no sense, though I have heard this from many now.

[agentbluescreen]

Or below? That means positive depopulation.

Anything below 0% population growth is population reduction. What means are you referring to?

With all due respect there are right now approximately 1 billion of our human brothers and sisters including men, women and innocent children alive on this planet who have no computers, no email, no iphones, no chance of an education, no cars with supercharged engines, no jobs, no insurance, no farms, no homes, no boats, no bikes, no camping equipment, no money, no shopping malls, no flat screen TV, no hospitals, no doctors, no drugs, no food, no sanitation and not even any clean water to drink. And there are very, very few among us, who all have all of this stuff (and plenty more) who would ever even bother to give a damn much less charitably care about them for more than the length of a sad TV commercial.

I just chose that "1 billion poor and destitute"  figure off of the top of my head, any comprehensive study of the populations of sub Saharan Africa, India, China and the rest of the third world would reveal it to be far too low, but in fact in our "wonderfully civilized" corporate-religious-socialist culture we all seem to care more about stray dogs and cats, and about ramming our favorite brand of corporate religionism down the throats of hapless innocent third world brown people with million dollar bombs, trillion dollar armies and stealth warplanes.

And because of people like you and me who won't even consider the "horrible tyranny" of an energy tax on us or a wealth tax on the obscenely rich to fund third world development they are all dying (being murdered by us, through our inaction) by the thousands every day!

And you would strongly recommend adding even more populations to the planetary human meat grinders of this basic problem of sharing and charity?

Take Isaac Asimov's "2 bathroom home" example:

When there are two people living in the home you all have "freedom of the bathroom". You can put it into the Constitution! Everybody has the right to any bathroom whenever they need it as long as they want.

But what happens when you have 20 people living there?  You are losing both your freedom and your humanity (civility and charity) itself when life becomes so cheap and annoying.

If people cannot come together amicably to resolve these population growth problems by peaceful means, than just a few of them may do so by nefarious means (the evil culling of warfare) or nature certainly will do so by others, certainly just as rude and unpleasant.

[phosphene]

even the illuminati understand that there's a moral/karmic toll for murder. That's why the they want us to believe we should die. They require our acquiescence so they can exterminate without a karmic debt.

[mr anderson]

With all due respect there are right now approximately 1 billion of our human brothers and sisters including men, women and innocent children alive on this planet who have no computers, no email, no iphones, no chance of an education, no cars with supercharged engines, no jobs, no insurance, no farms, no homes, no boats, no bikes, no camping equipment, no money, no shopping malls, no flat screen TV, no hospitals, no doctors, no drugs, no food, no sanitation and not even any clean water to drink. And there are very, very few among us, who all have all of this stuff (and plenty more) who would ever even bother to give a damn much less charitably care about them for more than the length of a sad TV commercial.

I just chose that "1 billion poor and destitute"  figure off of the top of my head, any comprehensive study of the populations of sub Saharan Africa, India, China and the rest of the third world would reveal it to be far too low, but in fact in our "wonderfully civilized" corporate-religious-socialist culture we all seem to care more about stray dogs and cats, and about ramming our favorite brand of corporate religionism down the throats of hapless innocent third world brown people with million dollar bombs, trillion dollar armies and stealth warplanes.

And because of people like you and me who won't even consider the "horrible tyranny" of an energy tax on us or a wealth tax on the obscenely rich to fund third world development they are all dying (being murdered by us, through our inaction) by the thousands every day!

And you would strongly recommend adding even more populations to the planetary human meat grinders of this basic problem of sharing and charity?

Take Isaac Asimov's "2 bathroom home" example:

When there are two people living in the home you all have "freedom of the bathroom". You can put it into the Constitution! Everybody has the right to any bathroom whenever they need it as long as they want.

But what happens when you have 20 people living there?  You are losing both your freedom and your humanity (civility and charity) itself when life becomes so cheap and annoying.

If people cannot come together amicably to resolve these population growth problems by peaceful means, than just a few of them may do so by nefarious means (the evil culling of warfare) or nature certainly will do so by others, certainly just as rude and unpleasant.

And yet this isn't because of population growth it is due to the policies of the elite who choose who is poor, who serves them, who works for them and who dies for them and who will die just for being beneath them.

That's the reason why you see people starving, NGOs shooting them up with vaccines and treating them like lab-rats.

It has nothing to do with how we populate this earth. It has to do with the elitists policies they have initiated throughout human history.

Population isn't the problem, it's infrastructure, it's population density, it's basic services, it's resources. Controlled resources to give the illusion that population and "sustainability" are issues.

To put poverty and death on the average folk is using a scapegoat. Do you wonder how there is poverty to begin with? There's a reason buddy. Somebody has to die according to the NWO.

[amazon]

If you have not yet listened to The Bill Cooper Mystery Babylon Series
of 42  audiotapes
on the origens of the Illuminati & NWO,
You are missing out
on the information that connects all the dots for the truth movement.

Mr Cooper was murdered by the gov to bring us this information.

It is available at several locations on this forum.
Listen to the tapes in order,
or you will miss the plot.

[EvadingGrid]

See the real truth about Overpopulation is that more people means having to "share" and the bad people are simply against sharing anything, they always operate on greed. Instead of being open and honest they come up with complex rationalisations.

[MonkeyPuppet]

See the real truth about Overpopulation is that more people means having to "share" and the bad people are simply against sharing anything, they always operate on greed. Instead of being open and honest they come up with complex rationalisations.

TPTB have socially and systematically replaced sharing and human brotherhood with tax-and-give policies that don't help anyone.  I realize that most people by today's standards (having been taxed to death) would not magically become giving people overnight with the restoration of freedom with regard to their hard-earned remuneration or "extra" goodies, but as this mindset was incrementally imposed upon the masses, given enough time I would think/hope/pray that we could return to a more giving mindset.

Imagine if the People of the U.S. were not stripped of their wealth by taxation (over 50% in the aggregate) at every level.  How giving would you be with upwards of 50% or more of your wealth put back into your hands?  I do what I can with what I have now, but as it isn't much, it stays pretty local.  With twice as much I could do more at greater distances.

If you take away the giving spirit of humanity, convince the peon masses that they are somehow the "haves" despite having practically nothing at all and that "those people" (wherever else in the world they might be) are the "have nots" that are desperately trying to get your goodies... you have a recipe for socially acceptable genocide.

[agentbluescreen]

And yet this isn't because of population growth it is due to the policies of the elite who choose who is poor, who serves them, who works for them and who dies for them and who will die just for being beneath them.

That's the reason why you see people starving, NGOs shooting them up with vaccines and treating them like lab-rats.

It has nothing to do with how we populate this earth. It has to do with the elitists policies they have initiated throughout human history.

Population isn't the problem, it's infrastructure, it's population density, it's basic services, it's resources. Controlled resources to give the illusion that population and "sustainability" are issues.

To put poverty and death on the average folk is using a scapegoat. Do you wonder how there is poverty to begin with? There's a reason buddy. Somebody has to die according to the NWO.

Controlled or "owned" FINITE resources are not an illusion they are what we have been given to think of and understand as "Property Rights" in our 1776 notions of freedom. If "my" lake or "my" beach or "my" well or "my" gold or copper mine or my vegetable garden or my ranch/game preserve or (in the Sagan/Asimov example) "my bathroom" is on my property I don't have to share it or anything of it with you or anyone else. You have to pay me, only for that (Of it) which I wish to "share" at the price that suits me.

As population grows within this "In Growth We Trust" model, there is increasingly less and less "free property" and more and more "property rights" accrued to and assigned to the service of the more fortunate. Reserved useful, valuable and productive property is unfortunately not the only identifiable finite resource that suffers from this freedom.

Representation (democratic voice) is another valuable "fiat" commodity that becomes progressively more diluted and worthless. Do you have any idea of how many voters "votes" it used to take to elect (or defeat) a Mayor, Governor, Congressman or Senator back in 1850? Todays voter's "vote" is worth 3% of what it used to be because of ever-increasing populations. This makes them far cheaper to buy as well, for those with the ways, means and motives to do so.

The very same problem applies to currency. In order for everyone to have a little money in their pocket the money supply has to grow to put a little in everyones pocket along with the number of everyones, in order to enable trade. In a cultural economy of continual, ever accelerating membership/population "growth" pitted against a finite "global pool" of resources, that means the resource-worth of every dollar has to continually drop. This dilution goes on and on regardless of who (unfairly and illegally) owns and thus "freely uses" the "private property" currency for their own ever-concentrating private power, profit and benefit as they so please.

Indeed, according to the Noble World Order of the corporatist-privileged, "somebody" does have to die in this uncontrolled "In Growth We Trust"  scenario, and ever increasingly, that "someone" is also you and me due to the pressures they face to keep all of their "bathrooms" to themselves.

So if what you want is to have your children's lives be cheapened, "have" more of them.
 

[Geolibertarian]

Here's what population alarmists do not want you to read, lest the centuries-old Malthusian dogma on which their alarmist propaganda is based be exposed for the utterly discredited bullsh*t it truly is:

       http://www.econlib.org/Library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP7.html
       http://www.econlib.org/Library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP8.html#Book II, Chapter 2
       http://www.econlib.org/Library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP9.html#Book II, Chapter 3
       http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP10.html#Book II, Chapter 4

"The chief weapon against the teaching of Henry George was that which is always used against irrefutable and self-evident truths. This method, which is still being applied in relation to George, was that of hushing up....People do not argue with the teaching of George, they simply do not know it. (And it is impossible to do otherwise with his teaching, for he who becomes acquainted with it cannot but agree.)"

-- Leo Tolstoy

[charrington]

And yet this isn't because of population growth it is due to the policies of the elite who choose who is poor, who serves them, who works for them and who dies for them and who will die just for being beneath them.

That's the reason why you see people starving, NGOs shooting them up with vaccines and treating them like lab-rats.

It has nothing to do with how we populate this earth. It has to do with the elitists policies they have initiated throughout human history.

Population isn't the problem, it's infrastructure, it's population density, it's basic services, it's resources. Controlled resources to give the illusion that population and "sustainability" are issues.

To put poverty and death on the average folk is using a scapegoat. Do you wonder how there is poverty to begin with? There's a reason buddy. Somebody has to die according to the NWO.

 “Exponential rate” (i.e. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, etc.) whereas the food supply grows at an “Arithmetic” rate (i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc.) Water is fixed... no growth. Do the math.

[TahoeBlue]

Water is fixed... no growth.

If as much time and money was spent helping one another as spent on killing each other (or defending ourselves from being killed) what would the world be like? (Global Social Friction)

Water from the Air - just add electricity (could be solar too):

http://www.ecoloblue.com/home-office

EcoloBlue 30™ Up to 30 liters per day   20 cents a Gallon  12-stage filter process
280 watts

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/10/71898

The water-harvesting technology was originally the brainchild of the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which sought ways to ensure sustainable water supplies for U.S. combat troops deployed in arid regions like Iraq.

To achieve this end, Darpa gave millions to research companies like LexCarb and Sciperio to create a contraption that could capture water in the Mesopotamian desert.

But it was another company, Aqua Sciences, that developed a product on its own and was first to put a product on the market that can operate in harsh climates.
...
Several systems on the market can create water through condensation, but the process requires a high level of humidity.

The 20-foot machine can churn out 600 gallons of water a day without using or producing toxic materials and byproducts.
...
Aqua Sciences' machines only require 14 percent humidity, Roy said. "That's why this technology is superior and why they are getting the contracts."

http://www.aquasciences.com/products.html
"OFF THE GRID" WATER™

Fully-contained mobile freshwater generation system for large-scale production, including power generator
Self-powered by diesel generator (7-day supply), or by grid electricity
Easy to install, use and maintain
Container models can produce up to 1,200 gallons of water per day for 7 days without outside electrical source or refueling.
The 40 foot container with the reverse osmosis module can provide emergency water for up to 3,000 people per day

[charrington]

Here's what population alarmists do not want you to read, lest the centuries-old Malthusian dogma on which their alarmist propaganda is based be exposed for the utterly discredited bullsh*t it truly is:

       http://www.econlib.org/Library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP7.html
       http://www.econlib.org/Library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP8.html#Book II, Chapter 2
       http://www.econlib.org/Library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP9.html#Book II, Chapter 3
       http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/George/grgPP10.html#Book II, Chapter 4

"The chief weapon against the teaching of Henry George was that which is always used against irrefutable and self-evident truths. This method, which is still being applied in relation to George, was that of hushing up....People do not argue with the teaching of George, they simply do not know it. (And it is impossible to do otherwise with his teaching, for he who becomes acquainted with it cannot but agree.)"

-- Leo Tolstoy

There's no doubt that less developed nations can be the victims of an inequitable distribution of the world's resources as well as of international trade and financial arrangements, which work against them. IMF and World Bank, which claim to be working to alleviate poverty and assist poorest of the poor, are actually making their lives miserable. No doubt at all.  Mind you these are the places that are growing the quickest population wise.

And remember even though there may not be a "crisis" at this very moment, it doesn't eliminate the problem from occurring in your lifetime or your children's. Not everything that Science says is a conspiracy. That's a tad bit paranoid.

I can give you a ton of links that show my point but thats not going to get the conversation going the right direction.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16951806

It's an interesting article because as the population grows so does the industry .. they not only use water but pollute it as well. The Yellow river is unbelievably polluted. Even without fluoride. The Tennessee River is one of the most polluted rivers in the world yet a lot of the south's drinking water comes from there and big muddy. There both extremely polluted.

I hear Dig shouting "thats why we must stop the NWO"! in the background. Theres a lot of scientists that say a lot of what has happened to this point in time can't be "undone" - So honestly how quickly do you all think we can turn it around?

Where do you start?

[charrington]

If as much time and money was spent helping one another as spent on killing each other (or defending ourselves from being killed) what would the world be like? (Global Social Friction)

Water from the Air - just add electricity (could be solar too):

http://www.ecoloblue.com/home-office

EcoloBlue 30™ Up to 30 liters per day   20 cents a Gallon  12-stage filter process
280 watts

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/10/71898

The water-harvesting technology was originally the brainchild of the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which sought ways to ensure sustainable water supplies for U.S. combat troops deployed in arid regions like Iraq.

To achieve this end, Darpa gave millions to research companies like LexCarb and Sciperio to create a contraption that could capture water in the Mesopotamian desert.

But it was another company, Aqua Sciences, that developed a product on its own and was first to put a product on the market that can operate in harsh climates.
...
Several systems on the market can create water through condensation, but the process requires a high level of humidity.

The 20-foot machine can churn out 600 gallons of water a day without using or producing toxic materials and byproducts.
...
Aqua Sciences' machines only require 14 percent humidity, Roy said. "That's why this technology is superior and why they are getting the contracts."

http://www.aquasciences.com/products.html
"OFF THE GRID" WATER™

Fully-contained mobile freshwater generation system for large-scale production, including power generator
Self-powered by diesel generator (7-day supply), or by grid electricity
Easy to install, use and maintain
Container models can produce up to 1,200 gallons of water per day for 7 days without outside electrical source or refueling.
The 40 foot container with the reverse osmosis module can provide emergency water for up to 3,000 people per day

Hey Tahoe!  .. I have an ecoloblue and I love it -- but you know what in the winter time it can take up to two days to produce water because of the low humidity? So they need to make BIGGER TANKS ( thats for pablo if he's reading this) It's great for drinking .. now lets work on the washing and bathing stuff. Of course this is assuming that everyone on the planet can afford one. You don't want to let the government get a monopoly on water units so it would have to be that everyone has their own - agree?

And due to low humidity, some areas are slower at producing them so thats a small drawback.

Solar power is definitely the one of the BIG answers. Self powered electrical generators is another the NWO doesn't want you to have or know about. I'm trying to find the two gents in Australia that invented one and demo it. Also there was a guy not too long ago that had a generator sitting below the power lines and it was taking the "extra power" that came off the lines and using it for free -- anyone remember this article? They tried to sue him and lost. Anyway , he powered his entire house with it.


http://www.aquasciences.com/products.html  very cool but needs "Grid electrical" or diesel -- and it's not pocket size lol. Man that thing is big. Very cool stuff. Actually Ecoloblue makes a few very large versions as well but I see the difference being the humidity factor.

All very cool stuff ...

[charrington]

See the real truth about Overpopulation is that more people means having to "share" and the bad people are simply against sharing anything, they always operate on greed. Instead of being open and honest they come up with complex rationalisations.

Like there is no problem so I don't have to share? I don't think most people are considering the outside influences that are in play to get water, food and electricity to your home. If they go so does all your resources. "a resource shortage"

Personally I think the next NWO attack isn't going to be Iran -- it will be in the states against one of our resources.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Look, this will sound contrary to what I've been stating before but let's keep in mind one thing: While there is this "black hole" called ego and selfishness within every one of us, there will be no sharing society in and on itself, no utopia of voluntarism. There will always be forcing, because while this situation continues, a great part of every being is an "animal instinct" further dehumanized by selfishness, e.g. while there is a sovereign will in man, it is objectivelly not operative in 100%; usually it is much, much less, and that which remains must be forced to do anything beyond it's immediate gain. And even that sovereign will is "ego-tainted" in itself.

There must therefore be property, or some other mechanism to replace it that will fit the egotic man. And with property come legitimate malthusian concerns, as ABS has brilliantly spelled out above.

Yes, we have to "trust in man," namelly in man's capability to deny the above to some level and ultimatelly, in man's ability to make a complete turnaround (call it Conversion in the Christian sense, or true Spirituality... whatever.), which can much better be done in a society that is free than in an autocracy where the State demands obedience in thought and will. This should be the ultimate object of sociology and social manipulation.

BUT there must be the Taming present. The Taming of the Animal (but worse than it is in real animals) Instinct. The Taming should be propagated by education and other semi-voluntary institutions BUT there comes a time when violence, or threat of violence is the only working solution. The Animal, after all, responds usually very positively to fear. Those overtaken by it, in essence, understand no other language.

Now the NWO kinda tries to reduce us all to Animals in this sense, in order to make us all "regular" and regulatable, and this is the very opposite of what we should strive for; BUT if we fixate on "free will utopias" as the polar opposite of the above (which IS by any right an abomination) nothing real can be done. There must be some species of nanny state for the Animal, there must be some mechanism that will correct the inherent lazyness of the Animal and there must be enforcement of the Collective Taming Principles, aka. Laws. At the very least.

Still I think that projects like ZTM and other "utopic" views have their merits. We can minimise the, well, let's call it by the scientific term "Bullshit," that is, useless laws, regulations and corruption, in essence unnecessary Taming Principles. We must free the labor, divorce economy and state and make humans by law individuals and citizens and not an "economic factor" as they are in both Communism and Capitalism.

I believe we CAN do these things, IF we work together but complete voluntarism I see as illusion; and also, sadly a complete cooperation of the populace without massive Nazi-like propaganda and occasional violence; and if we don't do it, THEY will do it, with the aim of lobotomizing our souls.

The first is not such a big problem, the latter is an insurmountable obstacle. Trying it "grassroots" from the ground up is the only solution I have got to so far, all other solutions involve, ultimatelly, a conspiracy of the Few against the Many.

[EvadingGrid]

The Main Stream Media keeps repeating the lie that The Earth is a Closed System, when in fact it is an Open System that receives Free Energy from the sun constantly.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Personally I think the next NWO attack isn't going to be Iran -- it will be in the states against one of our resources.

Why attack? The current Slow March To Oblivion works TOO well to disturb by a highly chaotic event such as a big war that would stir factors that are objectively impossible to determine by any planner.

They already DO own us NOW, no need to further that ownership. It is unglamorous, it is invisible, but they do have most of us. If you believe in spiritual warfare you will know this ownership is even deeper than most conspiracy theorists suspect. Times of turmoil are always less preferable to the tyrant than times of peace, for the former bring questions and forced changing of ways, whereas the fruits of the latter are the twin sisters of lethargy and consumption.

The Main Stream Media keeps repeating the lie that The Earth is a Closed System, when in fact it is an Open System that receives Free Energy from the sun constantly.

Indeed it does, but there are certain resources that take too much time to replenish at the rate we consume them. OF COURSE that consumption is not set in stone, but that will require some "nazi anti freedom collectivist" approaches to sociology that would offend the people here.

[grapecrusher1]

I bet these "savages" haven't even considered getting a 20 foot long water condenser if/when their water runs out.  Why not?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLR8wEvRfQ

Maybe some should be a little less ethnocentrically narrow-minded before spouting off things like "just get an Ecoloblue" etc.  Which requires $, electrical/power infrastructure, humidity, energy, know-how/ maintenance, etc.

[charrington]

The Main Stream Media keeps repeating the lie that The Earth is a Closed System, when in fact it is an Open System that receives Free Energy from the sun constantly.

Devils advocate for a minute how about free trees? Some of the earths resources are being consumed many times faster then we can replace them.

"Clearly our world is in great trouble due to human overpopulation and the resultant destruction of Nature,  the pollution of air, land and water. The best solution to these problems is to found our societies on truth and reality rather than past myths and customs (which invariably cause harm)."

Albert Einstein ~ 1954

[Femacamper]

Devils advocate for a minute how about free trees? Some of the earths resources are being consumed many times faster then we can replace them.

"Clearly our world is in great trouble due to human overpopulation and the resultant destruction of Nature,  the pollution of air, land and water. The best solution to these problems is to found our societies on truth and reality rather than past myths and customs (which invariably cause harm)."

Albert Einstein ~ 1954

Use hemp. Hemp will solve the problem, easily.

[charrington]

And yet this isn't because of population growth it is due to the policies of the elite who choose who is poor, who serves them, who works for them and who dies for them and who will die just for being beneath them.

That's the reason why you see people starving, NGOs shooting them up with vaccines and treating them like lab-rats.

It has nothing to do with how we populate this earth. It has to do with the elitists policies they have initiated throughout human history.

Population isn't the problem, it's infrastructure, it's population density, it's basic services, it's resources. Controlled resources to give the illusion that population and "sustainability" are issues.

It's not condoms, it's credit cards, were talking about consumption + pollution *^ population.

[charrington]

Why attack? The current Slow March To Oblivion works TOO well to disturb by a highly chaotic event such as a big war that would stir factors that are objectively impossible to determine by any planner.

They already DO own us NOW, no need to further that ownership. It is unglamorous, it is invisible, but they do have most of us. If you believe in spiritual warfare you will know this ownership is even deeper than most conspiracy theorists suspect. Times of turmoil are always less preferable to the tyrant than times of peace, for the former bring questions and forced changing of ways, whereas the fruits of the latter are the twin sisters of lethargy and consumption.

Indeed it does, but there are certain resources that take too much time to replenish at the rate we consume them. OF COURSE that consumption is not set in stone, but that will require some "nazi anti freedom collectivist" approaches to sociology that would offend the people here.

Political reasons it fits in to their war speak -- they have more then just one game running at the same time. This tyrant uses turmoil to inculcate fear in us, and in turn comes up with a "new" already planned solution for permanent control. There is nothing peaceful about the NWO - they are blood lusting murders - out of chaos comes order is their motto.

[charrington]

Use hemp. Hemp will solve the problem, easily.

I don't know about easily but it is a solution in part. Don't forget we have an eco system and I don't think hemp can help replace trees in that manner. We NEED the eco system to survive. Hemp as a building replacement - great idea.

So now we have everyone owning ecoloblues and living and growing hemp.

[Femacamper]

I don't know about easily but it is a solution in part. Don't forget we have an eco system and I don't think hemp can help replace trees in that manner. We NEED the eco system to survive. Hemp as a building replacement - great idea.

So now we have everyone owning ecoloblues and living and growing hemp.

Hemp can completely replace modern use of pulp and paper, among countless other things. It's a great alternative.

[Dig]

WTF happened to this thread?

Femacamper is 100% correct, and sharing is not even required (unless of course you mean sharing access to the abundance of everything).

Femacamper is also correct about Hemp and other things.

US could be the #1 manufacturer of textiles, clothing, and 100 other things if they decriminalized putting seeds into dirt.

I bet Bill Gates has thousands of Hemp seeds in his seed bank.

And food grows exponentially and population levels off.

Saying that population growth is an issue while psychopaths are exterminating all of humanity is like saying that Internet website pop ups are an issue while an IDF officer is machine gunning your laptop.

[Femacamper]

Saying that population growth is an issue while psychopaths are exterminating all of humanity is like saying that Internet website pop ups are an issue while an IDF officer is machine gunning your laptop.

Bwahahaahahaha Awesome.  

[citizenx]

And the TSA is like one step away from that IMO.

[agentbluescreen]

Saying that population growth is an issue while psychopaths are exterminating all of humanity is like saying that Internet website pop ups are an issue while an IDF officer is machine gunning your laptop.

Maybe if some perverse and hateful greedy and inconsiderate cretins weren't infecting laptops with viruses that overpopulate their screens with "useless and annoying extra windows" people wouldn't shoot at them  

I think we can and well should all get our heads around the concept that this world has more than just one or two problems that need have useful, productive and considerate solutions found with which to deal with them, Dig.

It's just that the issue of unsustainable growth is at the root of so many others that we cannot afford to ignore it, nor continue to blindly encourage it to go on and on endlessly, hoping that it will fix itself... It's not a problem for legislation it's a problem of education.

Do you realize when property rights were written into the Constitution (just like when "I have not stolen/thou shalt not steal" was written into the Egyptian Book of the Dead/Torah) there was no such thing nor concept as the strictly limited and globally reserved "owned" finite resources of intellectual property? (patents and copyrights)

There was not a single thing, tool nor process that was "patented". Now there is scarcely anything that isn't.

[agentbluescreen]

In terms of resource assets per capita our forefathers who wrote our Constitution, and those who voted for them, were all multi-billionaires.

Now 99% of our population are all born as net-debtors, doomed to eternal taxation, forever, to repay it.

This all goes right back to Asimov's "freedom of the bathroom" analogy, and it is indeed ironic that clean, potable water is this planets single most important and indispensable life-delimiting "finite resource". (more so, even, than the prodigious volumes of fuels it also takes us to sow, feed, grow, harvest, distribute and process crops for merely agrarian subsistence)

One might not consider intellectual property to be "finite" since it really isn't, but it is made finite (impounded) by the inability of others to pay for the rights to use it.

[mr anderson]

It's not condoms, it's credit cards, were talking about consumption + pollution *^ population.

Your just not getting it.

Who controls the economy, who controls the resources, who drives the manipulation of consumption, who are the REAL polluters?! No not me or you...

They own the printing presses and restrict the food supply while killing us off with soft & hardcore means, well guess what? That's who controls population.

There's a population problem for them... Too many useless eaters, too many minds capable of revolting.

It's not population. It's the illusion of peak oil, global warming and the promotion of urban density that you are fooled into believing it's population when infact it's the elite who restrict resources, promote broken families, abortion,  hipster-eugenics (designer babies), stack and pack-em lifestyles and pollute this planet through man-made disasters to further the indoctrination that we ordinary slaves are bad.

No, I won't accept it. Sorry.

I'm not denying or limiting someone's will to live on this planet through crypto-hipster-neo-eugenics to achieve "sustainability". It's a total crock, "sustainability". It means everyone lives 3rd world while the elites slowly pick us off to live in paradise.

[charrington]

Your just not getting it.

Who controls the economy, who controls the resources, who drives the manipulation of consumption, who are the REAL polluters?! No not me or you...

They own the printing presses and restrict the food supply while killing us off with soft & hardcore means, well guess what? That's who controls population.

There's a population problem for them... Too many useless eaters, too many minds capable of revolting.

It's not population. It's the illusion of peak oil, global warming and the promotion of urban density that you are fooled into believing it's population when infact it's the elite who restrict resources, promote broken families, abortion,  hipster-eugenics (designer babies), stack and pack-em lifestyles and pollute this planet through man-made disasters to further the indoctrination that we ordinary slaves are bad.

No, I won't accept it. Sorry.

I'm not denying or limiting someone's will to live on this planet through crypto-hipster-neo-eugenics to achieve "sustainability". It's a total crock, "sustainability". It means everyone lives 3rd world while the elites slowly pick us off to live in paradise.

No sir, it's you that is not getting it. It has nothing to do with conspiracy or you being fooled into believing that everything is a conspiracy - it has nothing to do with "restricting resources" because we are using more and more all the time. They are not "restricting them" they make money from them .. what the heck are you thinking?

They don't want people to NOT SPEND money... that's ridiculous. The resources "they" control they sell just like any business - IT"S MONEY for them. "They" can't supply the resources fast enough for everyone that is "Their" problem. Why do you think they want to kill you off? "They" understand the math .. "they" get it.
 

Trees can't be replaced as fast as were using them - it's less the common sense that tells you there is no way to speed grow trees and water. The more people that are consuming the more waste and pollution there will be. That's just one tiny aspect of consumption. Bluefin Tuna almost extinct - Why do you think they want to create hybrid salmon? It's being fished out (of course money too). Don't believe me? Check it out yourself.


You'll never hear me question "they" want to depopulate. It's a fact and it's obvious for all to see. But not every crisis is intentionally "manufactured" and not every problem the world has is a conspiracy. And not everyone telling you there are very big problems aside from the NWO in this world is your enemy.


Here's a typical consumption problem --

The average American household consumes about 127,400 gallons of water during a year. Homeowners in Washington, DC, pay about $350 for that amount of water. Buying that same amount of water from a vendor in Guatemala City would cost more than $1,700. This my friend has nothing to do with NWO it's a byproduct of Embodied energy.

The truth is Mr. Anderson - the entire global system is failing and dying. And replacing politicians by voting new ones in doesn't , will not and never has changed this failing system. Things have only gotten worse even with all these "great" leaders and their best, intentions , thoughts and scientists -- they have brought us to exactly where we are today. Voting a few non incumbents in to office is nothing more then switching seats on the Titanic.

That's the real lie Mr. Anderson.

[Femacamper]

That's the same fearmongering that the New World Order wants you to believe, Charrington.

It's not an issue of money. Money is fiat; irrelevant. It's about hoarding and about not allowing us to use the technologies and foods that cause exponential growth. Like the ability to feed yourself, generate clean water, have unlimited electricity, pollution-low technology...it's all available. We have it at hand - we just have to use it.

[Femacamper]

In terms of resource assets per capita our forefathers who wrote our Constitution, and those who voted for them, were all multi-billionaires.

Now 99% of our population are all born as net-debtors, doomed to eternal taxation, forever, to repay it.

This all goes right back to Asimov's "freedom of the bathroom" analogy, and it is indeed ironic that clean, potable water is this planets single most important and indispensable life-delimiting "finite resource". (more so, even, than the prodigious volumes of fuels it also takes us to sow, feed, grow, harvest, distribute and process crops for merely agrarian subsistence)

One might not consider intellectual property to be "finite" since it really isn't, but it is made finite (impounded) by the inability of others to pay for the rights to use it.

80% of the world has excess access to clean potable water. They just need to share it with (and stop polluting) the other 20%.

[grapecrusher1]

80% of the world has excess access to clean potable water. They just need to share it with (and stop polluting) the other 20%.

Please provide link or is this another mythical fact out of the bible?

[charrington]

That's the same fearmongering that the New World Order wants you to believe, Charrington.

It's not an issue of money. Money is fiat; irrelevant. It's about hoarding and about not allowing us to use the technologies and foods that cause exponential growth. Like the ability to feed yourself, generate clean water, have unlimited electricity, pollution-low technology...it's all available. We have it at hand - we just have to use it.

No fema, it's called reality - It is all driven by money - and frankly Fema "they" don't care what you think the reason is they still want to kill you off and are going to try so cut the fearmongering bunk - they aren't hording anything because they don't have to. - that's ignorance. If they want to kill you off they poison your food, water, air and inject you with poisons.

What technology are you talking about dude? You know some secret technology that we don't?
They have magic star trek food dispenser? Instant grow cattle? Two day fast growth Trees? Over night corn and oats? What in God's name does hording technology have to do with over fishing tuna? They can't reproduce fast enough.

"They" have to live too  and "They" don't want piggish little consumers depleting all "their" resources .. they tell you that point blank Fema. They will bleed you dry first then just kill you off.

And what you are not talking about is how to fix it. Whats the master plan Fema?

[phosphene]

"How many people, exactly, can the planet sustain?"


That is the question the population alarmists avoid. because they cannot answer it. nobody can.

[Femacamper]

Please provide link or is this another mythical fact out of the bible?

No, it's a statistic quoted by the National Academy of Engineering. Have you heard of them?

And I misquoted it...it's actually only 1/6 of the world that has no access to clean, potable water.

http://www.engineeringchallenges.org/cms/8996/9142.aspx

[Femacamper]

No fema, it's called reality - It is all driven by money

Fiat money is an illusion. It's just paper and plastic, with no real value.

- and frankly Fema "they" don't care what you think the reason is they still want to kill you off and are going to try so cut the fearmongering bunk

So you're telling me the MSM is never fearmongering? 

- they aren't hording anything because they don't have to.

Google "seed vaults".

- that's ignorance. If they want to kill you off they poison your food, water, air and inject you with poisons.

They already do that. They also use chemtrails, eugenics, famine, war, pestilence, economic depression, the list goes on.

If you don't think that corporations and government are hoarding, what are they doing with the excess grain and wheat in their graineries? Making ethanol?

What technology are you talking about dude? You know some secret technology that we don't?

Google "water purification." Buy an Ecolo Blue. Look at all the patents online available on magnetic energy, geothermal energy, saltwater energy, water energy, cogeneration, the list goes on.

They have magic star trek food dispenser?

Hemp, it's a weed. It grows like the dandelions on people's lawns.

Instant grow cattle?

They're already genetically engineering those.

Two day fast growth Trees?

Hemp, not trees.

Over night corn and oats?

We don't need to grow things in two days, but we have the ability to plant, grow and harvest enough food for a trillion people on the planet. Heck, we could make space colonies, and with the help of mined ice on other planetoids, we could use hydroponics to grow most of our food.

"They" have to live too  and "They" don't want piggish little consumers depleting all "their" resources .. they tell you that point blank Fema. They will bleed you dry first then just kill you off.

"They" are composed of perhaps a few thousand elite. "They" have no resource problems at all. "They" have trillions and trillions of dollars for every resource imaginable.

And what you are not talking about is how to fix it. Whats the master plan Fema?

Certainly not by the Rothschild/Rockefeller austerity measures that you are recommending. We have surefire, better ways.