Brainwashed Malthusian Zombies Parrot OVERPOPULATION MYTH on a Truth Forum

[charrington]

Anyone who thinks population is not an issue and could continue growing into perpetuity:

-- has never travelled
-- has never grown a garden ie. lacks any understanding of the fundamentals of agriculture
-- believes that deserts or arctic ice offer as much wealth as fertile land situated in advantageous temperate zones
-- has zero comprehension of resource management

There is a difference between eugenics and resource shortages.  Why it constantly gets confused here is annoying.

agreed.

[Dig]

Anyone who thinks population is not an issue and could continue growing into perpetuity:

-- has never travelled
-- has never grown a garden ie. lacks any understanding of the fundamentals of agriculture
-- believes that deserts or arctic ice offer as much wealth as fertile land situated in advantageous temperate zones
-- has zero comprehension of resource management

There is a difference between eugenics and resource shortages.  Why it constantly gets confused here is annoying.

Anyone who thinks population is an issue has never used Google Maps

There is no difference between eugenics and resource shortage arguments. They always have been and always will be based on an elite heirarchical system of controlling and thus exterminating humanity itself.

[Dig]

RESOURCE MANAGEMENT

Where have I heard that term before?

Oh yeah, here is where I heard it...


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/internment_camps.htm

In a revealing admission in June, 1997, the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations."

Amid widespread rumors, Congressman Henry Gonzales clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview, Gonzalez stated, "The truth is yes -- you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."



Yup, let's budget more money and resources for RESOURCE MANAGEMENT projects, what could go wrong?

[Optimus]

I've been around a little while now donnay and have a pretty good education and skills - I'm not a newbie. So don't think I'm falling for anything - and that's from anyone. I do a lot of research for other companies and myself. I create tools that help me do that research. I weigh things pretty carefully before I open my mouth and will have back up for it if I do.

Have you watched those videos ABS and I put up in the thread earlier? Watch them .. I know you'll really like them. I must have posted this a dozen times now - but it's not about what the NWO is doing or saying , it's not the square living area left in the world today - it's about resources.

It's also about at some point in time -- whether you believe it's far off or very soon .. there WILL come a point in time that there will be too many people for the resources - what will you do.

Cuz I know you can't count on the politicians to help you. So tell me who do you trust enough to tell you when it's time to start thinking about those things?

The earth is not running out of resources. That is propaganda that the eugenicists spew out for their depopulation and genocide schemes. There never has and never will be peak oil, the earth is not running out of water, and we have very little to no impact on the climate. This is all artificial scarcity. People are barely having enough children to sustain the population as it is.

[citizenx]

Even by the UN's usually hysterical estimates, population will level off by mid-century or so -- so, no Malthusian crisis.  Population will likely achieve equillibrium in this century.

[donnay]

I've been around a little while now donnay and have a pretty good education and skills - I'm not a newbie. So don't think I'm falling for anything - and that's from anyone. I do a lot of research for other companies and myself. I create tools that help me do that research. I weigh things pretty carefully before I open my mouth and will have back up for it if I do.

Have you watched those videos ABS and I put up in the thread earlier? Watch them .. I know you'll really like them. I must have posted this a dozen times now - but it's not about what the NWO is doing or saying , it's not the square living area left in the world today - it's about resources.

It's also about at some point in time -- whether you believe it's far off or very soon .. there WILL come a point in time that there will be too many people for the resources - what will you do.

Cuz I know you can't count on the politicians to help you. So tell me who do you trust enough to tell you when it's time to start thinking about those things?

Charrington,

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday either...it will come down to rugged individualism and self reliance, as it should be.  Those who depend on governments to feed, clothe and shelter them will not survive.  It is the very governments who they depend on that take it all away.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take all you have"  ~Davy Crockett

Not that I want to start a new thumping debate but...

GENESIS 1:28: "Be fruitful and multiply"

God made this earth and all that is in it, he would be the one to warn of over population not man.

[grapecrusher1]

RESOURCE MANAGEMENT

Where have I heard that term before?

Oh yeah, here is where I heard it...

Speaking of google earth/maps.  Check out the Aral Sea for a little background on "human resource management" or the lack thereof.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

Then again this is probably meaningless for you as it appears resources have no importance.  It is just by chance this area is now completely abandoned where it once sustained a large prosperous population.

There is such a thing as "over-management" or management for special interests.  Which I think you are talking more about.

[Optimus]

Anyone who thinks population is not an issue and could continue growing into perpetuity:

-- has never travelled
-- has never grown a garden ie. lacks any understanding of the fundamentals of agriculture
-- believes that deserts or arctic ice offer as much wealth as fertile land situated in advantageous temperate zones
-- has zero comprehension of resource management

There is a difference between eugenics and resource shortages.  Why it constantly gets confused here is annoying.

Resource management was created as a means of control and to cause artificial scarcity. It goes hand in hand with eugenics as well.

[Dig]

Speaking of google earth/maps.  Check out the Aral Sea for a little background on "human resource management" or the lack thereof.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

Then again this is probably meaningless for you as it appears resources have no importance.  It is just by chance this area is now completely abandoned where it once sustained a large prosperous population.

There is such a thing as "over-management" or management for special interests.  Which I think you are talking more about.

Why don't they move to Greenland?

[grapecrusher1]

Resource management was created as a means of control and to cause artificial scarcity. It goes hand in hand with eugenics as well.

To be comprehensive, it can be a tool used and abused as cover for a eugenic agenda.  There is nothing artificial about the Aral Sea. But it is crucial for sustainability and growing populations as witnessed by humans since time began.

Why don't they move to Greenland?

lol

[Dig]

Surprise: Earths’ Biosphere is Booming, Satellite Data Suggests CO2 the Cause
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/08/surprise-earths-biosphere-is-booming-co2-the-cause/
Posted on June 8, 2008 by Anthony Watts

Eco Worriers: “CO2 is a pollutant!” Gaia: “Tell that to the biosphere.” Biosphere: “Yumm, burp!”

 
The SeaWiFS instrument aboard the Seastar satellite has been collecting ocean data since 1997. By monitoring the color of reflected light via satellite, scientists can determine how successfully plant life is photosynthesizing. A measurement of photosynthesis is essentially a measurement of successful growth, and growth means successful use of ambient carbon. This animation shows an average of 10 years worth of SeaWiFS data. Dark blue represents warmer areas where there tends to be a lack of nutrients, and greens and reds represent cooler nutrient-rich areas which support life. The nutrient-rich areas include coastal regions where cold water rises from the sea floor bringing nutrients along and areas at the mouths of rivers where the rivers have brought nutrients into the ocean from the land.

See an animation of the Earth;s Biosphere: 512×288 (30 fps) MPEG-1 10 MB. More here at NASA SVS
In praise of CO2
With less heat and less carbon dioxide, the planet could become less hospitable and less green
Lawrence Solomon
Financial Post, Don Mills, Ontario
Saturday, June 07, 2008


Planet Earth is on a roll! GPP is way up. NPP is way up. To the surprise of those who have been bearish on the planet, the data shows global production has been steadily climbing to record levels, ones not seen since these measurements began.

GPP is Gross Primary Production, a measure of the daily output of the global biosphere –the amount of new plant matter on land. NPP is Net Primary Production, an annual tally of the globe’s production. Biomass is booming. The planet is the greenest it’s been in decades, perhaps in centuries.

Until the 1980s, ecologists had no way to systematically track growth in plant matter in every corner of the Earth — the best they could do was analyze small plots of one-tenth of a hectare or less. The notion of continuously tracking global production to discover the true state of the globe’s biota was not even considered.

Then, in the 1980s, ecologists realized that satellites could track production, and enlisted NASA to collect the data. For the first time, ecologists did not need to rely on rough estimates or anecdotal evidence of the health of the ecology: They could objectively measure the land’s output and soon did — on a daily basis and down to the last kilometer.

The results surprised Steven Running of the University of Montana and Ramakrishna Nemani of NASA, scientists involved in analyzing the NASA satellite data. They found that over a period of almost two decades, the Earth as a whole became more bountiful by a whopping 6.2%. About 25% of the Earth’s vegetated landmass — almost 110 million square kilometres — enjoyed significant increases and only 7% showed significant declines. When the satellite data zooms in, it finds that each square metre of land, on average, now produces almost 500 grams of greenery per year.

Why the increase? Their 2004 study, and other more recent ones, point to the warming of the planet and the presence of CO2, a gas indispensable to plant life. CO2 is nature’s fertilizer, bathing the biota with its life-giving nutrients. Plants take the carbon from CO2 to bulk themselves up — carbon is the building block of life — and release the oxygen, which along with the plants, then sustain animal life. As summarized in a report last month, released along with a petition signed by 32,000 U. S. scientists who vouched for the benefits of CO2: “Higher CO2 enables plants to grow faster and larger and to live in drier climates. Plants provide food for animals, which are thereby also enhanced. The extent and diversity of plant and animal life have both increased substantially during the past half-century.”

From the 2004 abstract: Our results indicate that global changes in climate have eased several critical climatic constraints to plant growth, such that net primary production increased 6% (3.4 petagrams of carbon over 18 years) globally. The largest increase was in tropical ecosystems. Amazon rain forests accounted for 42% of the global increase in net primary production, owing mainly to decreased cloud cover and the resulting increase in solar radiation.

Lush as the planet may now be, it is as nothing compared to earlier times, when levels of CO2 and Earth temperatures were far higher. In the age of the dinosaur, for example, CO2 levels may have been five to 10 times higher than today, spurring a luxuriantly fertile planet whose plant life sated the immense animals of that era. Planet Earth is also much cooler today than during the hothouse era of the dinosaur, and cooler than it was 1,000 years ago during the Medieval Warming Period, when the Vikings colonized a verdant Greenland. Greenland lost its colonies and its farmland during the Little Ice Age that followed, and only recently started to become green again.

This blossoming Earth could now be in jeopardy, for reasons both natural and man-made. According to a growing number of scientists, the period of global warming that we have experienced over the past few centuries as Earth climbed out of the Little Ice Age is about to end. The oceans, which have been releasing their vast store of carbon dioxide as the planet has warmed — CO2 is released from oceans as they warm and dissolves in them when they cool — will start to take the carbon dioxide back. With less heat and less carbon dioxide, the planet could become less hospitable and less green, especially in areas such as Canada’s Boreal forests, which have been major beneficiaries of the increase in GPP and NPP.

Doubling the jeopardy for Earth is man. Unlike the many scientists who welcome CO2 for its benefits, many other scientists and most governments believe carbon dioxide to be a dangerous pollutant that must be removed from the atmosphere at all costs. Governments around the world are now enacting massive programs in an effort to remove as much as 80% of the carbon dioxide emissions from the atmosphere.

If these governments are right, they will have done us all a service. If they are wrong, the service could be all ill, with food production dropping world wide, and the countless ecological niches on which living creatures depend stressed. The second order effects could be dire, too. To bolster food production, humans will likely turn to energy intensive manufactured fertilizers, depleting our store of non-renewable resources. Techniques to remove carbon from the atmosphere also sound alarms. Carbon sequestration, a darling of many who would mitigate climate change, could become a top inducer of earthquakes, according to Christian Klose, a geohazards researcher at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. Because the carbon sequestration schemes tend to be located near cities, he notes, carbon-sequestration-caused earthquakes could exact an unusually high toll.

Amazingly, although the risks of action are arguably at least as real as the risks of inaction, Canada and other countries are rushing into Earth-altering carbon schemes with nary a doubt. Environmentalists, who ordinarily would demand a full-fledged environmental assessment before a highway or a power plant can be built, are silent on the need to question proponents or examine alternatives.

Earth is on a roll. Governments are too. We will know soon enough if we’re rolled off a cliff.

[charrington]

200 years from now I very much hope the worms have thoroughly eaten my body and I have left the next generations with more knowledge and power to fight the NWO psychopaths.

Dude it is like we are in a foxhole and you are asking me if I prefer Niche or Camus. WHO GIVES A SHIT. if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass a hoping.

I guarantee you one thing for sure...

If we do not stop the matrix of deceit and the permanent obstructions of justice, in 200 years from now, it will not matter if there are 100 billion or 100 million...humanity will be unable to ever gain the freedoms we currently have and that is the ultimate horror that I fear.

I know there's a battle going on - but talking about it constantly will drive you nuts .. you have to take a little break - this is that break. I think the last part of your comment is worthy of another thread in itself.

Will the NWO be stopped?

[attietewd]

Why in the hell is there even a discussion among the peons about population control?  No one here has the resources nor the power or influence to change one effing thing. The only people who scream "population control" or "resource management" are the select few (elites) who are screwing this planet up and have every available tool within their greedy slimy hands to do it and then they DUMP it on the elementary school kids so they can carry the guilt and bring it home to mom and dad where it takes root and ends up being discussed here where we are SUPPOSEDLY educated to the truth.   I refuse to discuss such an implanted fabricated pack of horsecrap.

[Dig]

Why in the hell is there even a discussion among the peons about population control?  No one here has the resources nor the power or influence to change one effing thing. The only people who scream "population control" or "resource management" are the select few (elites) who are screwing this planet up and have every available tool within their greedy slimy hands to do it and then they DUMP it on the elementary school kids so they can carry the guilt and bring it home to mom and dad where it takes root and ends up being discussed here where we are SUPPOSEDLY educated to the truth.   I refuse to discuss such an implanted fabricated pack of horsecrap.

bwaaaaaahahaahaaa awesome!

[Dig]

I know there's a battle going on - but talking about it constantly will drive you nuts .. you have to take a little break - this is that break. I think the last part of your comment is worthy of another thread in itself.

Will the NWO be stopped?

IT IS THE SAME ISSUE

once you control the reproduction of a species...YOU EXTERMINATE THE FREE WILL AND SELF DETERMINATION OF THAT SPECIES

IT IS THE SAME EXACT ISSUE!

[Optimus]

Why in the hell is there even a discussion among the peons about population control?  No one here has the resources nor the power or influence to change one effing thing. The only people who scream "population control" or "resource management" are the select few (elites) who are screwing this planet up and have every available tool within their greedy slimy hands to do it and then they DUMP it on the elementary school kids so they can carry the guilt and bring it home to mom and dad where it takes root and ends up being discussed here where we are SUPPOSEDLY educated to the truth.   I refuse to discuss such an implanted fabricated pack of horsecrap.

QFT!

[Dig]

Just so we are all clear who the enemy is and how they operate...

Prince Philip


40 years ago, Prince Philip gave the following instructions...

A new criterion has been added, the conservation of the environment so that in the long run life, including human life, can continue. This new consideration must be taken into account at all levels and in all departments of government and in the boardrooms of every industrial enterprise. It is no longer sufficient simply to quantify the elements of existence as in old-fashioned material economics; conservation means taking notice of the quality of existence as well...

The problem is of course to give some value to that quality and perhaps the only way to do this is to try and work out the cost in terms of loss of amenities, loss of holiday and recreation facilities, loss of property values, loss of contact with nature, loss of health standards and loss of food resources, if proper conservation methods are not used.

Looked at in that light it may well turn out that money spent on proper pollution control, urban and rural planning and the control of exploitation of wild stocks of plants or animals on land and in the sea, is the less expensive alternative in the long run...The conservation of nature, the proper care for the human environment and a general concern for the long-term future of the whole of our planet are absolutely vital if future generations are to have a chance to enjoy their existence on this earth.

-The Australian Conservation Foundation, Canberra (April 1970)

It is clear in the past 40 years that over 99.9% of the industrialized world has been put into this control system that Prince Philip said was necessary. Less wages, less amenities, loss of holiday, loss of property value, lossed contact with UN controlled nature preserves, loss of health standards, loss of control of food resources. What sacrifices have Prince Philip and his Bilderberg buddies made for the past 40 years?

[charrington]

Overpopulation is a Myth

Infowars.com
May 5, 2010

As the video below demonstrates, overpopulation is a myth. Globalists and their eugenic minions have misrepresented population statistics for decades in order to justify their agenda to wipe out large portions of the population. If this genocidal agenda continues, humanity will go the way of the Brontosaurus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBS6f-JVvTY&feature=player_embedded

Good video but it's leaving out several of the most important things to be considered - resources - it's very hard to imagine just from a common sense stand point of view how the population could be growing world wide without those numbers being met. So something is off in the math or figures being presented.

Like we know that in 1990 the population was 5,278,639,789 and wasn't suppose to hit 7 billion till 1020 and we're already there so population is on the rise world wide. And again overpopulation isn't just about people right? I mean heck we know we have enough room that's not a question.

There are many other factors that can cause a complete collapse with the population as it currently is right now. It's not just about the number of people although I can' think of one problem on any scale, from microscopic to global that long term solution is aided, assisted or advanced by having larger populations,can you?

Ok .. that sounded globalist but you know what I mean. I'm not trying to eliminate the population or suggest that happen.

[charrington]

Why in the hell is there even a discussion among the peons about population control?  No one here has the resources nor the power or influence to change one effing thing. The only people who scream "population control" or "resource management" are the select few (elites) who are screwing this planet up and have every available tool within their greedy slimy hands to do it and then they DUMP it on the elementary school kids so they can carry the guilt and bring it home to mom and dad where it takes root and ends up being discussed here where we are SUPPOSEDLY educated to the truth.   I refuse to discuss such an implanted fabricated pack of horsecrap.

Excellent party line. bravo!

[charrington]

IT IS THE SAME ISSUE

once you control the reproduction of a species...YOU EXTERMINATE THE FREE WILL AND SELF DETERMINATION OF THAT SPECIES

IT IS THE SAME EXACT ISSUE!

So you think the main agenda of the NWO is population reduction, end of story? And let me ask you as well do you think that anyone in the scientific community that says there is going to be or is a resources issue is NWO? Is that you're belief?

[Dig]

So you think the main agenda of the NWO is population reduction, end of story? And let me ask you as well do you think that anyone in the scientific community that says there is going to be or is a resources issue is NWO? Is that you're belief?

yes (as well as cybernetics/transhumanist control), no, no

[Femacamper]

Hey dude...WAKE UP FROM YOUE SUBLIMINAL LOGAN'S RUN PROGRAMMING!

You can go to over 100 million Rothschild/Rockefeller websites to circle jerk about the best way to exterminate humans on a grand scale due to manufactured and artificial faux necessity. This forum allows freedom from that bullshit.

That was classic. 

[poncho]

Why in the hell is there even a discussion among the peons about population control?  No one here has the resources nor the power or influence to change one effing thing. The only people who scream "population control" or "resource management" are the select few (elites) who are screwing this planet up and have every available tool within their greedy slimy hands to do it and then they DUMP it on the elementary school kids so they can carry the guilt and bring it home to mom and dad where it takes root and ends up being discussed here where we are SUPPOSEDLY educated to the truth.   I refuse to discuss such an implanted fabricated pack of horsecrap.

Wow this thread has taken off since I posted earlier.

Anyway, I think we all can agree on a few things.

1) Overpopulation is a myth, but is also real.  By that I mean, if better people were in charge of things, the earth's human population could increase dramatically (perhaps 10x).  
But better people are not in charge.  Take a trip to places like Bangladesh.  100 million people living in a small area.  Almost no one is doing very well.  There is a quality of life aspect missing for most there.

2) There is a finite amount of resources.  Planet Earth is only so large.  To an extent, the large growing human population contributes to the shortages.
But... the real problem is the big shots of the world.  BP is now the prime example.  I don't care how many fish are caught in the Gulf of Mexico in the next ten years.  BP will still kill more fish, than all the fishermen combined.

3) Considering points 1 & 2, gives me item 3.  
The solution:  Let's limit the Rockerfeller's, Hiltons, Bush's, Rothchilds, etc, to not be allowed to procreate!
If you have too much resources (cash, gold, land, water, power) you a leech on society and we must stop your feeding that is killing all the rest of us!

OK, so what I suggested in point 3 is tongue in cheek, but damned if it really wouldn't help.  The problem with it is, besides stuping to thier level, is that someone else would rise to the top to take thier place.

[charrington]

Wow this thread has taken off since I posted earlier.

Anyway, I think we all can agree on a few things.

1) Overpopulation is a myth, but is also real.  By that I mean, if better people were in charge of things, the earth's human population could increase dramatically (perhaps 10x).  
But better people are not in charge.  Take a trip to places like Bangladesh.  100 million people living in a small area.  Almost no one is doing very well.  There is a quality of life aspect missing for most there.

2) There is a finite amount of resources.  Planet Earth is only so large.  To an extent, the large growing human population contributes to the shortages.
But... the real problem is the big shots of the world.  BP is now the prime example.  I don't care how many fish are caught in the Gulf of Mexico in the next ten years.  BP will still kill more fish, than all the fishermen combined.

3) Considering points 1 & 2, gives me item 3.  
The solution:  Let's limit the Rockerfeller's, Hiltons, Bush's, Rothchilds, etc, to not be allowed to procreate!
If you have too much resources (cash, gold, land, water, power) you a leech on society and we must stop your feeding that is killing all the rest of us!

OK, so what I suggested in point 3 is tongue in cheek, but damned if it really wouldn't help.  The problem with it is, besides stuping to thier level, is that someone else would rise to the top to take thier place.

Ok I'll agree to that .. I just wanted to stir things up it was getting boring ... yawn. Nothing to see here move along. But you have to admit it got some of your blood boiling.. and was fun.

[Femacamper]

Charrington,

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday either...it will come down to rugged individualism and self reliance, as it should be.  Those who depend on governments to feed, clothe and shelter them will not survive.  It is the very governments who they depend on that take it all away.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take all you have"  ~Davy Crockett

Not that I want to start a new thumping debate but...

GENESIS 1:28: "Be fruitful and multiply"

God made this earth and all that is in it, he would be the one to warn of over population not man.

Amen!

[poncho]

Ok I'll agree to that .. I just wanted to stir things up it was getting boring ... yawn. Nothing to see here move along. But you have to admit it got some of your blood boiling.. and was fun.

You asked a legitimate question charrington.

If anything, it is a needed debate on these forums. Interesting none the less.

Knowledge is power.  To understand the enemy, sometimes it's valueable to think like them.

[charrington]

Charrington,

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday either...it will come down to rugged individualism and self reliance, as it should be.  Those who depend on governments to feed, clothe and shelter them will not survive.  It is the very governments who they depend on that take it all away.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take all you have"  ~Davy Crockett

Not that I want to start a new thumping debate but...

GENESIS 1:28: "Be fruitful and multiply"

God made this earth and all that is in it, he would be the one to warn of over population not man.

OH man that is my category Bob! Lets talk religion -- go up there and start that thread amigo! By the way read my last post....

[poncho]

Amen!

Careful with the Amen buddy!  (refuring to the Empire of the City)

[Dig]

Henry Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

This article appeared as part of a feature in the December 8, 1995 issue of Executive Intelligence Review, and was circuclated extensively by the Schiller Insitute Food for Peace Movement. It is reprinted here as part of the package: “Who Is Responsible for the World Food Shortage?”

Kissinger’s 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide

by Joseph Brewda
Dec. 8, 1995

On Dec. 10, 1974, the U.S. National Security Council under Henry Kissinger completed a classified 200-page study, “National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests.” The study falsely claimed that population growth in the so-called Lesser Developed Countries (LDCs) was a grave threat to U.S. national security. Adopted as official policy in November 1975 by President Gerald Ford, NSSM 200 outlined a covert plan to reduce population growth in those countries through birth control, and also, implicitly, war and famine. Brent Scowcroft, who had by then replaced Kissinger as national security adviser (the same post Scowcroft was to hold in the Bush administration), was put in charge of implementing the plan. CIA Director George Bush was ordered to assist Scowcroft, as were the secretaries of state, treasury, defense, and agriculture.

The bogus arguments that Kissinger advanced were not original. One of his major sources was the Royal Commission on Population, which King George VI had created in 1944 “to consider what measures should be taken in the national interest to influence the future trend of population.” The commission found that Britain was gravely threatened by population growth in its colonies, since “a populous country has decided advantages over a sparsely-populated one for industrial production.” The combined effects of increasing population and industrialization in its colonies, it warned, “might be decisive in its effects on the prestige and influence of the West,” especially effecting “military strength and security.”

NSSM 200 similarly concluded that the United States was threatened by population growth in the former colonial sector. It paid special attention to 13 “key countries” in which the United States had a “special political and strategic interest”: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia. It claimed that population growth in those states was especially worrisome, since it would quickly increase their relative political, economic, and military strength.

For example, Nigeria: “Already the most populous country on the continent, with an estimated 55 million people in 1970, Nigeria's population by the end of this century is projected to number 135 million. This suggests a growing political and strategic role for Nigeria, at least in Africa.” Or Brazil: “Brazil clearly dominated the continent demographically.” The study warned of a “growing power status for Brazil in Latin America and on the world scene over the next 25 years.”


Food as a weapon

There were several measures that Kissinger advocated to deal with this alleged threat, most prominently, birth control and related population-reduction programs. He also warned that “population growth rates are likely to increase appreciably before they begin to decline,” even if such measures were adopted.

A second measure was curtailing food supplies to targetted states, in part to force compliance with birth control policies: “There is also some established precedent for taking account of family planning performance in appraisal of assistance requirements by AID [U.S. Agency for International Development] and consultative groups. Since population growth is a major determinant of increases in food demand, allocation of scarce PL 480 resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in population control as well as food production. In these sensitive relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion."

“Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be considering these possibilities now,” the document continued, adding, “Would food be considered an instrument of national power? ... Is the U.S. prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their population growth?”

Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that could make exclusive reliance on birth control programs unnecessary. “Rapid population growth and lagging food production in developing countries, together with the sharp deterioration in the global food situation in 1972 and 1973, have raised serious concerns about the ability of the world to feed itself adequately over the next quarter of century and beyond,” he reported.

The cause of that coming food deficit was not natural, however, but was a result of western financial policy: “Capital investments for irrigation and infrastucture and the organization requirements for continuous improvements in agricultural yields may be beyond the financial and administrative capacity of many LDCs. For some of the areas under heaviest population pressure, there is little or no prospect for foreign exchange earnings to cover constantly increasingly imports of food.”

“It is questionable,” Kissinger gloated, “whether aid donor countries will be prepared to provide the sort of massive food aid called for by the import projections on a long-term continuing basis.” Consequently, “large-scale famine of a kind not experienced for several decades—a kind the world thought had been permanently banished,” was foreseeable—famine, which has indeed come to pass.

[Dig]

Careful with the Amen buddy!  (refuring to the Empire of the City)

that thing was what certain mystery religions force their subjects to believe.

it is 70% true and 30% compartmentalized deception bullshit.

listen to the mystery babylon series by Bill Cooper where he exposes how they teach one secret society one thing and another something else. then they get then to fight over who is right. and the elites laugh their heads off because neither are right.

[Femacamper]

Anyone who thinks population is not an issue and could continue growing into perpetuity:

-- has never travelled

Do that all the time.

-- has never grown a garden ie. lacks any understanding of the fundamentals of agriculture

Been there and involved in it.

-- believes that deserts or arctic ice offer as much wealth as fertile land situated in advantageous temperate zones

Desertification can reverse, and even deserts have some plant and animal life. Arctic areas have plenty of vegetation and some animals as well...I know this as I'm from up North in Canuckistan.

-- has zero comprehension of resource management

I've played strategy games for years...all involving intense resource management.

There is a difference between eugenics and resource shortages.  Why it constantly gets confused here is annoying.

If a resource is short, then another resource must take its place until a new source is found. Simple as that. We can get beyond this, easily, if we don't allow the psychotic globalist asses to rule the world.

[Femacamper]

Careful with the Amen buddy!  (refuring to the Empire of the City)

Please elaborate...

[poncho]

Henry Kissinger should practice what he preaches.  That useless eater could drop some pounds.

[charrington]

You asked a legitimate question charrington.

If anything, it is a needed debate on these forums. Interesting none the less.

Knowledge is power.  To understand the enemy, sometimes it's valueable to think like them.

Oh yea it's a necessity to understand their thinking. I found a ton of information pushing both sides of the argument. I found some very interesting things on the subject.

Personally I really think it doesn't matter at this point in time, only due to my religious beliefs which really don't fit in to the convo, but it's fun to mix it up once in a while. Draws people's characters out. I dunno I enjoyed it lol.

[charrington]

Henry Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

Yeah I read this a while back -- very telling article ... Kissinger and Cheney are my two least favorite NWO tards. It's amazing how much stuff about their exploits are just sitting there online - and it's not new either! Some of this stuff has been around for YEARS! Still amazes me that they really don't care about it anymore .. it's just in your face and take that you can't do anything about it now.

[poncho]

Please elaborate...

This video here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4430543376785758889&hl=en&emb=1

It's a really long one.  4+ hours I believe.

It's good, but I've never had the time to verify most of what it states.  (There is just too much info out there these days.  Probably more than half are red herrings.)

To get to my point, somewhere within it, they talk about the origins of most religeons stating the word 'Amen' after every hymn, verse, etc...
The point they make, is that it refurs to the egyptian sun god.  When you say 'Amen', you are paying him respects.  And he is who many believe the NWO folks worship!

[Dig]

Please elaborate...

There is a like 8 hr documentary series which is basically zeitgeist on steroids going into the dawn of man and all of the large religions. it basically is a mix of high level freemasonry, jesuit order, and other secret societies' "hidden historical records" and it is presented monotone for believable impact. Starts out with 9/11 and is a truther film, but mixes up jesus and moses, and that amen is really a prayer to pagan godships, and other crapola. it basically goes back to the sun gods and gives a nice space to completely deny anything you ever thought. And unless you are fairly knowledgable of the mystery religions and how they work...you can get a bit brainwashed by it. Bill Cooper's mystery babylon series is the cure, he rips all the lies apart and gets people back on track.

[poncho]

There is a like 8 hr documentary series which is basically zeitgeist on steroids going into the dawn of man and all of the large religions. it basically is a mix of high level freemasonry, jesuit order, and other secret societies' "hidden historical records" and it is presented monotone for believable impact. Starts out with 9/11 and is a truther film, but mixes up jesus and moses, and that amen is really a prayer to pagan godships, and other crapola. it basically goes back to the sun gods and gives a nice space to completely deny anything you ever thought. And unless you are fairly knowledgable of the mystery religions and how they work...you can get a bit brainwashed by it. Bill Cooper's mystery babylon series is the cure, he rips all the lies apart and gets people back on track.

So you dismiss, most of what they said?  I just watched it very recently (most of it anyway.)

It's hard to discern the crap from the copper these days!

I'll have to bookmark the Bill Cooper's video soon.

[mr anderson]

Population growth rates must descend to 0% or below by some means certain wether we like it or not.

Or below? That means positive depopulation.

Anything below 0% population growth is population reduction. What means are you referring to?

[Dig]

So you dismiss, most of what they said?  I just watched it very recently (most of it anyway.)

It's hard to discern the crap from the copper these days!

I'll have to bookmark the Bill Cooper's video soon.

not most, 30%. after i first saw it i was thinking it was 95% right, now I am down to 70%.

it is a journey, it is a ride. after a while you can tell the shit from shinola pretty easily.

I think everyone should see it. and cooper's mystery babylon is like 35 hrs of audio and it is a bit tough because there is 5 mins in beginning middle and end that could be removed from each hour. but the other 45 mins each are historical and must listens.