ANTI-MUSLIM BACKLASH

[EvadingGrid]

Last time I checked America was a Secular Country.
Please point me to the part of the constitution that explains how America is a Christian Country, and is it Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant ?
Is the president just like the british queen, head of state and head of church ?
Do you have blaspemy laws, and how does that coexist with the right to free speech ?

[Jackson Holly]

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... in general parlance, EG, do you think there
are NOT Muslim countries, Christian countries,
Jewish countries, Buddhist countries, etc?

[One Revelator]

The Christian principles of religious freedom are what led to the Constitution and intentional separation of church and state.

No other religion does that. If we had been based off of Islam, Wicca, or Hindu, we wouldn't have the constitution to begin with.

Christianity is the religion that shaped America and made her what she is today. In fact, historically speaking, it can be irrefutably demonstrated that Biblical Christianity in America produced many of the cherished traditions still enjoyed today, including:

--> A republican rather than a theocratic form of government;
--> The institutional separation of church and state (as opposed to today’s enforced institutional secularization of church and state);
--> Protection for religious toleration and the rights of conscience;
--> A distinction between theology and behavior, thus allowing the incorporation into public policy of religious principles that promote good behavior but which do not enforce theological tenets (examples of this would include religious teachings such as the Good Samaritan, The Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, etc., all of which promote positive civil behavior but do not impose ecclesiastical rites); and
--> A free-market approach to religion, thus ensuring religious diversity and security for the rights of religious conscience.

Consequently, a Christian nation as demonstrated by the American experience is a nation founded upon Christian and Biblical principles, whose values, society, and institutions have largely been shaped by those principles. This definition was reaffirmed by American legal scholars and historians for generations but is widely ignored by today’s revisionists.

American Presidents Affirm that America is a Christian Nation
 
President Barack Obama is the first American president to deny that America is a Christian nation.  Notice a few representative statements on this subject by some of the forty-three previous presidents:

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity.  JOHN ADAMS

[T]he teachings of the Bible are so interwoven and entwined with our whole civic and social life that it would be literally….impossible for us to figure to ourselves what that life would be if these teaching were removed.  TEDDY ROOSEVELT

America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture.  WOODROW WILSON

American life is builded, and can alone survive, upon . . . [the] fundamental philosophy announced by the Savior nineteen centuries ago. HERBERT HOOVER

This is a Christian Nation.  HARRY TRUMAN

Let us remember that as a Christian nation . . . we have a charge and a destiny. RICHARD NIXON

There are many additional examples, including even that of Thomas Jefferson.

Significantly, Jefferson was instrumental in establishing weekly Sunday worship services at the U. S. Capitol (a practice that continued through the 19th century) and was himself a regular and faithful attendant at those church services,  not even allowing inclement weather to dissuade his weekly horseback travel to the Capitol church.

https://wallbuilders.com/america-christian-nation/

[EvadingGrid]

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... in general parlance, EG, do you think there
are NOT Muslim countries, Christian countries,
Jewish countries, Buddhist countries, etc?

Glad you asked,
Many countries have many answers.
Some separate religion from government and are secular, such as French Republic and are proud of that separation.
Britain has the Church of England, and the Crown is head of both Church and State, so it is a Christian Country - but nobody admits it in public.
It can get plain weird, when looking at say Syria . . . which is a secular state, but again nobody admits that.
Israel is plain weird, its nothing like what most people imagine and it fits in no box.

Never forget, that large chunks of the planet think very differently to how we westerners see the world.

In China they would think rather "un-educated" that you even asked such a dumb question and have you heard of electricity yet ?
China, which is a at least a billion odd people regard all such superstious thinking as rather retarded.
Confucianism is not regarded as a religion in China, but if you ask your local pastor "iz Confucianism cool" your gonna get a different answer

Yet in other parts of the world, they would think you clearly insane for thinking that there is any separation between govt & politics with religion.

We live in on amazing planet, and in each country we get different answers. Which is one of the reasons a One World Govt and a One World Religion is plain wrong.

[EvadingGrid]

The Christian principles of religious freedom are what led to the Constitution and intentional separation of church and state.

No other religion does that. If we had been based off of Islam, Wicca, or Hindu, we wouldn't have the constitution to begin with.

And there was me thinking little historical events, like the religious persecution motivated people to migrate to the colonys . . .
 LOL
Silly me.

[One Revelator]

It was also a motivation to consider and invoke the doctrine of separation of church and state.

[EvadingGrid]

It was also a motivation to consider and invoke the doctrine of separation of church and state.

Take a bit of friendly advice and not only embrace it, but be proud of it.


Your all having your strings pulled to create a lynch mob to sic on the Muslims, justified by the lie of 911 and designed to weaken the 1st Amendment.

If your neighbor wants to be a Muslim, its his constitutional right.

[One Revelator]

If your neighbor wants to be a Muslim, its his constitutional right.

However, if he murders people because his god demands everybody convert or die, then that behavior is not a constitutional right. Nor is it his constitutional right to demand constitutional law be replaced by foreign law, religious or otherwise. People can believe and worship however they please as long as it does not infringe on everybody else's rights. So cannibalism, child sacrifice, pedophilia, etc. cannot use freedom of religion as an excuse. Neither can dietary restrictions be imposed on everybody for religious reasons. (I'm thinking of people that were fired because they brought a ham sandwich to work)

When behavior is harmful or destructive, then the state is expected to deal with it.

[EvadingGrid]

However, if he murders people because his god demands everybody convert or die, then that behavior is not a constitutional right. Nor is it his constitutional right to demand constitutional law be replaced by foreign law, religious or otherwise. People can believe and worship however they please as long as it does not infringe on everybody else's rights. So cannibalism, child sacrifice, pedophilia, etc. cannot use freedom of religion as an excuse. Neither can dietary restrictions be imposed on everybody for religious reasons. (I'm thinking of people that were fired because they brought a ham sandwich to work)

When behavior is harmful or destructive, then the state is expected to deal with it.

True - but why the hysteria ?
Who - is pulling the strings ?

[Smythra]

Last time I checked America was a Secular Country.
Please point me to the part of the constitution that explains how America is a Christian Country, and is it Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant ?
Is the president just like the british queen, head of state and head of church ?
Do you have blaspemy laws, and how does that coexist with the right to free speech ?

The theory behind a religious founding of the US ,Well these so called constitutional rights were granted by God, the creator.
The pledge of allegiance,  directly invokes God, from "one nation under God"
 the constitution  does clearly separate church and state. Where medieval times made the church the head of state.
If you are talking about the great seal where under the pyramid, states in Latin , Novus Ordo Seclorum, which translates to New Secular Order. So in that sense , yes the destiny of the United States was always secular in nature where man and not the creator was to be revered and obeyed. But the constitution was always a con. Look at article 1, section 8, clause 17, and that clause makes congress supreme commander and ruler of the US.  Only an educated public can hold congress accountable and loyal to God endowed laws again. Unfortunately the public have foolishly traded liberty for safety and volunteered to become subjects of congress.

[One Revelator]

True - but why the hysteria ?
Who - is pulling the strings ?

The hysteria is from an organized campaign to normalize destructive behavior among the population. Tip of the spear on this has been Hollywood backed by altered government policies.

With Islam, for instance, there are some that feel they can simply populate an area, establish a majority, then force everybody else to believe as they do. This overthrows both the constitution and the Christian principles that led to its creation. “Your daughters will wear the hijab!', they say mockingly.

Who is pulling strings = who is funding the campaign.

[One Revelator]

Only an educated public can hold congress accountable and loyal to God endowed laws again. Unfortunately the public have foolishly traded liberty for safety and volunteered to become subjects of congress.

I would like to see a political mechanism in place for constituents to recall any and all sitting congressmen/congresswomen during their term with immediate action taken for oath of office violations. It could be through the state legislature or popular vote. I would also like to see term limits imposed. If it works for the executive, it can work for the legislative as well for the exact same reason. John McCain is a poster boy for this action.

Basic civics needs to make a comeback in all school curriculum. Naturalized citizens know more about how the government works than people who were born here. Knowing how to put on a condom is much less important than knowing that the President doesn't “make laws”.

[Jackson Holly]

Hindustan Times: "... the female clitoris is a
'haraam ki boti’ or immoral lump of flesh.”

Establishment Media Hides Trump’s New Policy
to Stop ‘Genital Mutilation’ of American Girls
NEIL MUNRO - 18 Apr 2017

The establishment media is hiding the dramatic news that President Donald Trump’s Department of Justice has announced a national campaign to eradicate the imported practice of Female Genital Mutilation.

By ignoring the imported FGM practice, the TV networks “are guilty of aiding and abetting violence against women out of a politically correct fueled fear of offending Muslims,” says an April 18 statement by the Media Research Center and ACT for America.

The federal government’s dramatic policy announcement was made April 13 when officials revealed they had charged a Muslim doctor for performing FGM on two American girls from Minnesota. The doctor and the two girls have immigrant parents from Muslim countries, where Islamic leaders endorse the peculiar institution to keep women subordinate to men. Officials also said they had found additional child victims in Michigan. ~>http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/13/feds-promise-protect-half-million-genital-mutilation/

The establishment media has largely hidden the administration’s new pro-female policy and the shocking crime, which threatens or has already victimized more than 500,000 young American women whose parents are immigrants from countries where FGM is routine.

On April 13, the New York Times just posted a 637-word article on page A14 about a “Michigan doctor” without mentioning “Islam” or “Muslim.” The Washington Post merely ran a 760-word online article on April 13 about a “Detroit emergency room doctor,” and a four-paragraph AP report in the newspaper about a “Detroit-area doctor” on April 14. Neither article mentioned Islam.

.... The progressives’ reluctance to name-and-shame Islam — despite copious evidence that Islam endorses and promotes the practice — comes as progressives try to block President Trump’s new immigration policies, which threaten to reduce the immigration of Islamic communities and political groups into the United States.

√ CONTINUE: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/18/media-ignores-imported-female-genital-mutilation/

[notravelingfellows]

Alrighty here it is boys and girls, I got to chapter 9 of the koran, and learned all I needed to know. Here's why...

Props to the library,

[notravelingfellows]

[notravelingfellows]

Awww, isn't that sweet and peaceful? 

[freedom_commonsense]

So is the old testament, your point? 

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=319396.msg1624318#msg1624318

Do the quoted passages in Geolibertarian's post mean Christians support slavery?

[notravelingfellows]

Whoa there guy, you're turning this thread into a Christian bashing. You also have to realize slavery is still basically the norm for human history. It's only been very recent that we abolished slavery. And it was taken care of through a lot of blood...

Also, heard of the new one? You know, the NEW testament...

[notravelingfellows]

freedom_commonsense, produce one line quoting Jesus Christ suggesting violence against people of another faith in the new testament and I'll kiss yer toes.

[freedom_commonsense]

Whoa there guy, you're turning this thread into a Christian bashing. You also have to realize slavery is still basically the norm for human history. It's only been very recent that we abolished slavery. And it was taken care of through a lot of blood...

Also, heard of the new one? You know, the NEW testament...

Slavery still exists in the United States, it's called the prison system.

This arguing about religion serves nobody here, you can "prove" whatever you want by selectively quoting scripture. I was trying to make that point. I'm not interested in arguing in circles so I usually stay out of these threads.

[notravelingfellows]

Slavery still exists in the United States, it's called the prison system.

This arguing about religion serves nobody here, you can "prove" whatever you want by selectively quoting scripture. I was trying to make that point. I'm not interested in arguing in circles so I usually stay out of these threads.

Amendment 13 to the constitution of the United States of America:

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Slavery as punishment for crime is fully lawful here in the states and also can be changed. Also it does not prohibit voluntary servitude, which most of us still adhere to. (Voluntarily berthed, stamped, and paying income tax)

By the way, this is a thread about muslims, you brought in the Christian thing. If you can't handle a response than I suggest keeping to your policy of staying out of these threads.

Good day sir.

[Jackson Holly]

... Marine makes Donald look like a softie
on this most IMPORTANT issue for the WEST:

Marine Le Pen:
Islamism Has Declared War On Our
Nation, On Reason, On Civilization
JACK MONTGOMERY - 22 Apr 2017


ANNE-CHRISTINE POUJOULAT/AFP/Getty Images

French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen has denounced radical Islam as “a monstrous totalitarian ideology that has declared war on our nation, on reason, on civilisation,” after a deadly Kalashnikov attack on police officers in Paris.

“Hate preachers must be expelled, the Islamist mosques closed,” the Front National leader declared, lambasting the Socialist Party government as “notoriously feeble”.

“We cannot afford to lose this war … for the past ten years, Left-wing and Right-wing governments have done everything they can for us to lose it. We need a presidency which acts and protects us,” she declared, calling on outgoing president François Hollande to expel all foreign nationalists on the extremist watch list and terminate France’s membership of the EU’s borderless Schengen area, which was castigated as “effectively an international passport-free zone for terrorists” by former INTERPOL chief Robert Noble after Islamists killed 130 people in Paris in 2015.

√ http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/22/marine-le-pen-islamism-monstrous-totalitarian-ideology-declared-war-nation-reason-civilisation/

[EvadingGrid]

Wahhabi Terrorists running around Paris . . .
Cui Bono ?

[TahoeBlue]

Wahhabi Terrorists running around Paris . . .
Cui Bono ?

It's called Jihad ...

[TahoeBlue]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Last time I checked America was a Secular Country.

http://www.internationalcopsfor
Proof That America Was Founded As A Christian Nation
 
America was founded on three documents: The Declaration of Independence; The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783, and the Constitution. These documents give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation. One does not need a law degree or a degree in history to grasp this truth. It is obvious to anyone who does not have an agenda. Let us review the documents and show this proof.
christ.com/proof-that-america-was-founded-as-a-christian-nation/

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The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783: Click to read

The Paris Peace Treaty was the document which formally ended the Revolution and granted the United States independence from Great Britain. In a real sense, the United States formally became a nation on September 3, 1783.


When the United States became a nation, it was done in the “name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” The preamble to this Treat states it is based upon the “Holy and undivided Trinity.” The concept of the holy Trinity is unique to Christianity. This statement means the United States was founded on the Christian faith. The complete Preamble follows:

“In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity”

The Treaty then ends just like the Constitution with a statement it is being signed in the “Year of our Lord.” The witnesses representing the United States were John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay and D. Hartley. The section in part follows:
“In witness whereof we the undersigned, their ministers plenipotentiary, have in their name and in virtue of our full powers, signed with our hands the present definitive treaty and caused the seals of our arms to be affixed thereto.Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three”

D. HARTLEY
 JOHN ADAMS
 B. FRANKLIN
 JOHN JAY

When this concept is applied to the Declaration of Independence, it is clear the reference to “All men are created equal,” was about the holy Trinity. The people of the United States are endowed by their Creator, the holy Trinity, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The God of the Bible is whom the United States is based upon. The unalienable rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness come from the Judeo/Christian God and no one else. He is the Rock of our Republic.

Psalm 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
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[Jackson Holly]

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... +1!

[TahoeBlue]

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/duterte-says-he-can-be-50-times-more-brutal-than-terrorists/news-story/7d251aea9852ca27bbadcea2f1600aef
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte says he can be 50 times more brutal than terrorists
April 24, 2017 12:11am

PHILIPPINE President Rodrigo Duterte has warned that he could be “50 times” more brutal than Muslim militants who stage beheadings and said he could even “eat” the extremists if they’re captured alive by troops.
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Mr Duterte ordered troops to kill fleeing Muslim militants behind a foiled attack in the central resort province of Bohol and not bring them to him alive, calling the extremists “animals.”

“If you want me to be an animal, I’m also used to that. We’re just the same,” Mr Duterte said. “I can dish out, go down what you can 50 times over.”

The president said that if a terrorist was presented to him when he’s in a foul mood, “give me salt and vinegar and I’ll eat his liver.” The crowd broke into laughter, but Mr Duterte cut in, “It’s true, if you make me angry.”
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