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Re: ANTI-MUSLIM BACKLASH
« Reply #280 on: March 17, 2017, 11:46:24 AM »
Last time I checked America was a Secular Country.
Please point me to the part of the constitution that explains how America is a Christian Country, and is it Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant ?
Is the president just like the british queen, head of state and head of church ?
Do you have blaspemy laws, and how does that coexist with the right to free speech ?





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Re: ANTI-MUSLIM BACKLASH
« Reply #281 on: March 17, 2017, 11:57:39 AM »
^^^

... in general parlance, EG, do you think there
are NOT Muslim countries, Christian countries,
Jewish countries, Buddhist countries, etc?
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

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« Reply #282 on: March 17, 2017, 12:13:14 PM »
The Christian principles of religious freedom are what led to the Constitution and intentional separation of church and state.

No other religion does that. If we had been based off of Islam, Wicca, or Hindu, we wouldn't have the constitution to begin with.


Christianity is the religion that shaped America and made her what she is today. In fact, historically speaking, it can be irrefutably demonstrated that Biblical Christianity in America produced many of the cherished traditions still enjoyed today, including:

--> A republican rather than a theocratic form of government;
--> The institutional separation of church and state (as opposed to today’s enforced institutional secularization of church and state);
--> Protection for religious toleration and the rights of conscience;
--> A distinction between theology and behavior, thus allowing the incorporation into public policy of religious principles that promote good behavior but which do not enforce theological tenets (examples of this would include religious teachings such as the Good Samaritan, The Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, etc., all of which promote positive civil behavior but do not impose ecclesiastical rites); and
--> A free-market approach to religion, thus ensuring religious diversity and security for the rights of religious conscience.

Consequently, a Christian nation as demonstrated by the American experience is a nation founded upon Christian and Biblical principles, whose values, society, and institutions have largely been shaped by those principles. This definition was reaffirmed by American legal scholars and historians for generations but is widely ignored by today’s revisionists.

American Presidents Affirm that America is a Christian Nation
 
President Barack Obama is the first American president to deny that America is a Christian nation.  Notice a few representative statements on this subject by some of the forty-three previous presidents:

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity.  JOHN ADAMS

[T]he teachings of the Bible are so interwoven and entwined with our whole civic and social life that it would be literally….impossible for us to figure to ourselves what that life would be if these teaching were removed.  TEDDY ROOSEVELT

America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture.  WOODROW WILSON

American life is builded, and can alone survive, upon . . . [the] fundamental philosophy announced by the Savior nineteen centuries ago. HERBERT HOOVER

This is a Christian Nation.  HARRY TRUMAN

Let us remember that as a Christian nation . . . we have a charge and a destiny. RICHARD NIXON

There are many additional examples, including even that of Thomas Jefferson.

Significantly, Jefferson was instrumental in establishing weekly Sunday worship services at the U. S. Capitol (a practice that continued through the 19th century) and was himself a regular and faithful attendant at those church services,  not even allowing inclement weather to dissuade his weekly horseback travel to the Capitol church.

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« Reply #283 on: March 17, 2017, 12:30:54 PM »
^^^

... in general parlance, EG, do you think there
are NOT Muslim countries, Christian countries,
Jewish countries, Buddhist countries, etc?

Glad you asked,
Many countries have many answers.
Some separate religion from government and are secular, such as French Republic and are proud of that separation.
Britain has the Church of England, and the Crown is head of both Church and State, so it is a Christian Country - but nobody admits it in public.
It can get plain weird, when looking at say Syria . . . which is a secular state, but again nobody admits that.
Israel is plain weird, its nothing like what most people imagine and it fits in no box.

Never forget, that large chunks of the planet think very differently to how we westerners see the world.

In China they would think rather "un-educated" that you even asked such a dumb question and have you heard of electricity yet ?
China, which is a at least a billion odd people regard all such superstious thinking as rather retarded.
Confucianism is not regarded as a religion in China, but if you ask your local pastor "iz Confucianism cool" your gonna get a different answer

Yet in other parts of the world, they would think you clearly insane for thinking that there is any separation between govt & politics with religion.

We live in on amazing planet, and in each country we get different answers. Which is one of the reasons a One World Govt and a One World Religion is plain wrong.

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« Reply #284 on: March 17, 2017, 12:36:20 PM »
The Christian principles of religious freedom are what led to the Constitution and intentional separation of church and state.

No other religion does that. If we had been based off of Islam, Wicca, or Hindu, we wouldn't have the constitution to begin with.

And there was me thinking little historical events, like the religious persecution motivated people to migrate to the colonys . . .
 LOL
Silly me.


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« Reply #285 on: March 17, 2017, 12:52:44 PM »
It was also a motivation to consider and invoke the doctrine of separation of church and state.
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« Reply #286 on: March 17, 2017, 12:59:14 PM »
It was also a motivation to consider and invoke the doctrine of separation of church and state.

Take a bit of friendly advice and not only embrace it, but be proud of it.


Your all having your strings pulled to create a lynch mob to sic on the Muslims, justified by the lie of 911 and designed to weaken the 1st Amendment.

If your neighbor wants to be a Muslim, its his constitutional right.

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« Reply #287 on: March 17, 2017, 01:39:49 PM »
If your neighbor wants to be a Muslim, its his constitutional right.

However, if he murders people because his god demands everybody convert or die, then that behavior is not a constitutional right. Nor is it his constitutional right to demand constitutional law be replaced by foreign law, religious or otherwise. People can believe and worship however they please as long as it does not infringe on everybody else's rights. So cannibalism, child sacrifice, pedophilia, etc. cannot use freedom of religion as an excuse. Neither can dietary restrictions be imposed on everybody for religious reasons. (I'm thinking of people that were fired because they brought a ham sandwich to work)

When behavior is harmful or destructive, then the state is expected to deal with it.
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« Reply #288 on: March 17, 2017, 01:41:39 PM »
However, if he murders people because his god demands everybody convert or die, then that behavior is not a constitutional right. Nor is it his constitutional right to demand constitutional law be replaced by foreign law, religious or otherwise. People can believe and worship however they please as long as it does not infringe on everybody else's rights. So cannibalism, child sacrifice, pedophilia, etc. cannot use freedom of religion as an excuse. Neither can dietary restrictions be imposed on everybody for religious reasons. (I'm thinking of people that were fired because they brought a ham sandwich to work)

When behavior is harmful or destructive, then the state is expected to deal with it.

True - but why the hysteria ?
Who - is pulling the strings ?


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« Reply #289 on: March 17, 2017, 01:51:41 PM »
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Last time I checked America was a Secular Country.
Please point me to the part of the constitution that explains how America is a Christian Country, and is it Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant ?
Is the president just like the british queen, head of state and head of church ?
Do you have blaspemy laws, and how does that coexist with the right to free speech ?
The theory behind a religious founding of the US ,Well these so called constitutional rights were granted by God, the creator.
The pledge of allegiance,  directly invokes God, from "one nation under God"
 the constitution  does clearly separate church and state. Where medieval times made the church the head of state.
If you are talking about the great seal where under the pyramid, states in Latin , Novus Ordo Seclorum, which translates to New Secular Order. So in that sense , yes the destiny of the United States was always secular in nature where man and not the creator was to be revered and obeyed. But the constitution was always a con. Look at article 1, section 8, clause 17, and that clause makes congress supreme commander and ruler of the US.  Only an educated public can hold congress accountable and loyal to God endowed laws again. Unfortunately the public have foolishly traded liberty for safety and volunteered to become subjects of congress.

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« Reply #290 on: March 17, 2017, 01:57:05 PM »
True - but why the hysteria ?
Who - is pulling the strings ?

The hysteria is from an organized campaign to normalize destructive behavior among the population. Tip of the spear on this has been Hollywood backed by altered government policies.

With Islam, for instance, there are some that feel they can simply populate an area, establish a majority, then force everybody else to believe as they do. This overthrows both the constitution and the Christian principles that led to its creation. “Your daughters will wear the hijab!', they say mockingly.

Who is pulling strings = who is funding the campaign.
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Re: ANTI-MUSLIM BACKLASH
« Reply #291 on: March 17, 2017, 03:06:55 PM »
Only an educated public can hold congress accountable and loyal to God endowed laws again. Unfortunately the public have foolishly traded liberty for safety and volunteered to become subjects of congress.

I would like to see a political mechanism in place for constituents to recall any and all sitting congressmen/congresswomen during their term with immediate action taken for oath of office violations. It could be through the state legislature or popular vote. I would also like to see term limits imposed. If it works for the executive, it can work for the legislative as well for the exact same reason. John McCain is a poster boy for this action.

Basic civics needs to make a comeback in all school curriculum. Naturalized citizens know more about how the government works than people who were born here. Knowing how to put on a condom is much less important than knowing that the President doesn't “make laws”.
The number one cause of all human poverty, misery, and death is not global warming. It’s GLOBAL LYING.