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Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« on: October 02, 2015, 07:27:51 AM »
Who is Russia bombing ?

The papers are now describing them as "rebels", but in simple terms we have

ISIS, baddies
Kurds, YPA legit milita goodies
FSA Free Syrian Army

The russians have not been bombing the goodies, the kurds, but they have not been bombing the agreed badies ISIS either.

The papers are sneaky, and saying because they are not bombing ISIS they must be bombing the badies. As if suddenly there are only 2, not 3 big groups fighting Assad.
ITS A LIE

A slight of hand, a propaganda trick.

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 07:44:08 AM »
Who runs the Free Syrian Army ?

In theory they are run by nobody right now... what a joke.

Abdul-Ilah al-Bashir was the leader, but the americans did not and do recognize him describing his leadership title as just a "business card""

Next Albey Ahmed Berri is "appointed" leader, but  is not recognized by The Supreme Military Council, which is the leaders of 30 Rebel Groups.

Look into for your self, tell me I'm wrong.



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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 07:52:08 AM »
Who Are the Free Syrian Army ?

Quick Answer :
They don't exist except as a concept to get funding from the idiots in europe and america.

In detail, the Free Syrian Army is a brand name to describe "The Thirty" largest rebel groups that are members of SMC - Supreme Military Command.

The SMC has no authority what so ever, its a talking shop club where 30 rebel groups can meet each other. They do no co-operate with each other, they do not co-ordinate, they are more of an abstract concept than reality.

They exist only as a concept to say things the west wants to hear in order to get money, arms, and that sort of thing.



http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/The-Free-Syrian-Army-24MAR.pdf

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 08:12:27 AM »
Perhaps they mean The Islamic Front

They want a religious theocracy and are Salafi / Wahhabi muslims, just like ISIS.



http://justpaste.it/theislamicfront

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 08:33:22 AM »
Free Syrian Army + Islamic Front

Turns out that while for the NATO press the Free Syrian Army is cuddly democratic secular . . in reality the big players in the Free Syrian Army are 'allied' with Looney Toons Islamic Front who want to send Syria back to the StoneAge with sharia law and are Saudi Whahbbi Cult believers.

Free Syrian Army - Allied to Islamic State
Southern Front of the Free Syrian Army
13th Division (Syrian rebel group)
Knights of Justice Brigade
Syria Revolutionaries Front
The Revolutionary Army (Syrian rebel group)

Free Syrian Army - Allied to al-Qaeda in Syria
Al-Qassas Army


Free Syrian Army - Opposed to Islamic State and al-Qaeda in Syria
Dawn of Freedom Brigades



That is a very simplistic breakdown of the Free Syrian Army - in reality it just does not exist.
Also the "The Thirty" SMC - Supreme Military Command is a work of fiction.

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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 08:46:01 AM »
For a real look at the picture, take a look at THIS LIST

In summary, there is no such thing as "The Rebels", no good guys.
These mythical creatures would have to co-exist inbetween some no mans land in between the Syrian Army, Al Qaeda and ISIS

Estimated Numbers
10,000 Al Qaeda

30,000 ISIS says CIA
70,000 ISIS says Russia





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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 08:47:16 AM »
From all the information I have found they are bombing Al-Nusra which is fighting along side with the supposed "moderate rebels" .....

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 09:02:45 AM »
From all the information I have found they are bombing Al-Nusra which is fighting along side with the supposed "moderate rebels" .....

It is difficult to the point of impossible to put nice sound bite labels on these groups, like look at this and scroll down a bit to see the comprehensive list of just who is fighting in syria - its ridiculously long list.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Al-Nusra == al-Qaeda in Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front


So like Russians bad for bombing al-Qaeda ?
WTF ?

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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 09:08:39 AM »
Im with you its ridiculous but ask most Americans and they have no clue whats going on over there ...... The general public are like the walking dead

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2015, 09:19:58 AM »
Im with you its ridiculous but ask most Americans and they have no clue whats going on over there ...... The general public are like the walking dead

All I know is that the media is a total fiction.

So many groups, by the time they "get a name" have been disbanded or merged into some other group.

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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2015, 10:37:10 AM »



… Bashar al-Assad is the only hope for anything approaching stability,
or perhaps someone he relegates to take the public reins. There are no
so-called 'good rebels' … that is a US/EU construct … they are all part
and parcel of the 'islamic religious idiocracy'.
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Let it loose; it will defend itself."

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2015, 11:58:48 AM »


… Bashar al-Assad is the only hope for anything approaching stability,
or perhaps someone he relegates to take the public reins. There are no
so-called 'good rebels' … that is a US/EU construct … they are all part
and parcel of the 'islamic religious idiocracy'.

what is with the bigot comments ?


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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2015, 11:59:06 AM »


… Bashar al-Assad is the only hope for anything approaching stability,
or perhaps someone he relegates to take the public reins. There are no
so-called 'good rebels' … that is a US/EU construct … they are all part
and parcel of the 'islamic religious idiocracy'.
Holy is  bump+
             Amazing, give em a name, its like cutting up a shi**t sandwich.
The Bush regime wacked out hundred of thousand innocents chasing non existant WMD's, or is that down the memory hole.   They invaded Afghanistan hunting Binny, the same guy who was the agency's top kick for years, he was on dialyses-a very sick guy, Billy had him and let him go.
 WARS are planed, thats it..Folks need to get their head around this.
Who profits?  The master planners, the figureheads, the mercenary's..The finatical loons get chump change, the forced recruits get scraps.
 Again, who profits, each and every mucken war in the history of mankind was mapped out, planned, staged,,, OK, just my thoughts, the Afghanistan invasion was based on HS, 911 was not pulled off by Binny and most folks know this. IF the intell service wanted Bin dead it could have been accomplished with a few million $, good intell and a planner-hitters.
 If Sadam was the reason we invaded Iraq, which is now the spin,( we no longer hear the MSM speaking of non existant WMD'S do we, they continue to show daily a statue of him being pulled down as if it was the reason) he could have been taken out..
If Quadaffi was the the libya target the same is true.. WARS are mapped out, lets hit on it. We don't wake up one day and OMG there is a war... This abomination has been on the plate for decades, the DOD, Pentagon had this wired.
  Now that millions have been slaughtered people choose to ignore the root cause, lala land sh**T.
I'm glad Russia got in this, the BS they hit the wrong people, for muck sakes how many millions did we wack out, Ahhhh but speaking about it is a No No...
Russia is attempting to hold back the loons, folks can eat the MSM sh***T sanwiches or face the truth..NONE of this would be going on if the neocons and their masters had been stoped, if people-USA had kept an open mind rather that bowing to the news media & political HS- Absolute lies, we have been had bent over the barrel, lakes of f***ken blood, who profits folks.
  Oil some say, ok, the EU is suking up ISIS cheap oil, go figure, this is not simply about oil.....  Russia, for f"""" sake 30 countries have been involved in the bombing.. 
  Strange, folks yak on about Russia and ignore why this whole sh**tshow came about...
  Think again.

 

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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2015, 12:10:42 PM »

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

This shouldn't be surprising. Russia is in Syria to prop up Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, Moscow's ally. The main threat to Assad is not ISIS, which the Syrian leader has often tolerated, but rather Syria's non-ISIS rebels — including al-Qaeda's Syrian franchise as well as more moderate rebel groups. These rebel groups (along with the Kurds in Syria's north) are also ISIS's main enemies in Syria

"ISIS almost never fought the Assad regime," Glenn Robinson, an associate professor at the Naval Postgraduate School, told me earlier this month. "They were much more focused on fighting other opposition groups and gaining land their opponents had already acquired."

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2015, 12:14:32 PM »
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/washington-to-russia/

The message from Washington to Russia: “Stop bombing the al-Nusra branch of al-Qaeda and bomb the Daesh-ISIS branch of al Qaeda” ~ USA regime and its military-industrial complex furious at Vladimir Putin who is targeting ALL the CIA-backed terrorist gangs ~ Fake Media and Propaganda Reports

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2015, 12:29:48 PM »
US has trained only 'four or five' Syrian fighters against Isis, top general testifies
Senators appear incredulous and call for a new plan after hearing news that US military’s $500m effort has resulted in training of only a handful of fighters
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/16/us-military-syrian-isis-fighters

A $500m effort to train Syrian forces against the Islamic State has resulted in only a handful of fighters actively battling the jihadi army, the top military commander overseeing the war has testified.

“We’re talking four or five,” General Lloyd Austin, commander of US Central Command, told a dissatisfied Senate armed services committee on Wednesday.

The training initiative is Barack Obama’s linchpin for retaking Syrian territory from Isis. The Pentagon anticipated in late 2014 that it would have trained 5,000 anti-Isis Syrian rebels by now.

“The program is much smaller than we hoped,” conceded the Pentagon’s policy chief, Christine Wormuth, saying there were between 100 and 120 fighters currently being trained. Wormuth said they were “getting terrific training”.

Both Wormuth and Austin defended US strategy against Isis in the face of bipartisan skepticism from the senators.

Senator Claire McCaskill, a Democrat from Missouri, mocked the Syrian training program, expressing incredulity that the Defense Department would seek another $600m to fund fighters she said the US was counting “on our fingers and toes”.

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2015, 12:43:15 PM »
After A Long Wait, Syrian Rebels Hope The Weapons Will Now Flow
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/09/17/349075789/after-a-long-wait-syrian-rebels-hope-the-weapons-will-now-flow

EXTRACT
The first American anti-tank missiles, known as TOWs, arrived in northern Syria early this spring. There were just a handful, delivered to only one rebel group carefully vetted by the CIA.

The group, Harakat Hazm, or the Steadfast Movement, showed off the new weapons system by posting the first successful strike on YouTube in April.

EXTRACT
"We are crying for weapons," says a rebel known as Abu Abdullah, with the Mujahedeen army, the latest group to undergo vetting by the U.S. for training and eventual weapon supplies.

This group was the first to publicly declare war on ISIS back in January, and has finally gotten the green light from the U.S. for training and weapons.

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Harakat Hazm allied to al Nusra == al -Qaeda in Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant_Front
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front

These are the ones that got bombed by the Russians outside Homs, that the press said bombed innocent civilians

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2015, 12:46:55 PM »
Aleppo Battle: Al Qaeda's Jabhat Al-Nusra Is Friend To Syrian Rebel Groups
http://www.ibtimes.com/aleppo-battle-al-qaedas-jabhat-al-nusra-friend-syrian-rebel-groups-1841408


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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2015, 12:50:20 PM »
U.S.-Trained Rebels in Syria Surrender Weapons to Terrorist Group
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/23/u-s-trained-rebels-in-syria-surrender-weapons-to-terrorist-group/

Days after a new contingent of 75 graduates of the U.S. train-and-equip program for Syrian rebels traveled to Aleppo, reports emerged yesterday that many of those rebels had defected or surrendered their weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s Syria affiliate. The collaboration with Jabhat al-Nusra comes despite a thorough vetting process that has hindered U.S. efforts to find recruits for the program. Many of the rebels belong to Division 30, which was attacked by and later agreed to a pact with Jabhat al-Nusra after the first tranche of U.S.-trained rebels were deployed to Syria earlier this summer.

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2015, 01:16:45 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2015, 01:37:30 PM »
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

This shouldn't be surprising. Russia is in Syria to prop up Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, Moscow's ally. The main threat to Assad is not ISIS, which the Syrian leader has often tolerated, but rather Syria's non-ISIS rebels — including al-Qaeda's Syrian franchise as well as more moderate rebel groups. These rebel groups (along with the Kurds in Syria's north) are also ISIS's main enemies in Syria

"ISIS almost never fought the Assad regime," Glenn Robinson, an associate professor at the Naval Postgraduate School, told me earlier this month. "They were much more focused on fighting other opposition groups and gaining land their opponents had already acquired."
             Hi Pirate.
 They are gettin paid $$, the fighters that is, they have been at it for some time, the professor may hit a nerve, I would sooner choose how this convoluted nightmare began..
      Let me put it this way, the guys who set up this sh**t show are not in the middle of the war zone, they are definitely pulling the strings from a safe haven. We could get into tribal disputesand territorial disputes all day, the issue here for me, why did this clustermuck begin, who funded these freaks, who gave them arms, who mentored the chumps running this Pizz.  You have ignored the Afghanistan invasion & the Iraq slaughter.. If you want to get to the bottom line check out the DOD/Pentagon leaks and testimony given by former brass...   A vacum was created in these nations, yes-no?
  Who do you believe wants to step up to the plate...Think clearly as to who began this..
The Navy has good intell, the deal is it is limited on a need to know basis. The agency has good intell, however the same is true, a selected few are privy to the real deal.Some are Insiders with no way out, the majority are techys..
  Pirate, please understand, the info / intell that is public or for that matter low level Millitary is not , in my opinion nothing but spin offs and misdirection.
 

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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2015, 01:46:02 PM »
             Hi Pirate.
 They are gettin paid $$, the fighters that is, they have been at it for some time, the professor may hit a nerve, I would sooner choose how this convoluted nightmare began..
      Let me put it this way, the guys who set up this sh**t show are not in the middle of the war zone, they are definitely pulling the strings from a safe haven. We could get into tribal disputesand territorial disputes all day, the issue here for me, why did this clustermuck begin, who funded these freaks, who gave them arms, who mentored the chumps running this Pizz.  You have ignored the Afghanistan invasion & the Iraq slaughter.. If you want to get to the bottom line check out the DOD/Pentagon leaks and testimony given by former brass...   A vacum was created in these nations, yes-no?
  Who do you believe wants to step up to the plate...Think clearly as to who began this..
The Navy has good intell, the deal is it is limited on a need to know basis. The agency has good intell, however the same is true, a selected few are privy to the real deal.Some are Insiders with no way out, the majority are techys..
  Pirate, please understand, the info / intell that is public or for that matter low level Millitary is not , in my opinion nothing but spin offs and misdirection.

Putin and Corbyn both said "follow the money"  :)

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 01:47:23 PM »
Daily Mail says Russia is bombing Al-Qaeda instead of ISIS !!!!

According to the Observatory, none of these areas are controlled by ISIS, though most are held by Al-Qaeda's Syrian affiliate Al-Nusra Front.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3257288/Two-children-killed-latest-Russian-airstrikes-U-S-general-accuses-Moscow-dropping-CLUSTER-BOMBS-obliterate-areas-size-football-fields-civilians.html


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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2015, 05:26:36 PM »
more stuff on infowars that backs up what I found out, and its written for normal people.

shite ya need a phd to work out who is who in syria

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2015, 09:23:54 AM »

Russians: No Moderate Opposition in Syria
Despite indisputable facts, U.S. continues to insist it supports moderates
http://www.infowars.com/russians-no-moderate-opposition-in-syria/

Amid accusations by the United States Russia is conducting airstrikes on “moderate” opposition to the government of Bashar al-Assad, a Kremlin spokesman hinted all the mercenaries in Syria are “immoderate.”

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2015, 09:25:47 AM »
Russia Is Putting On A Display Of Firepower That Is Shocking The World
A state of panic has been created among ISIS militants that we have not seen previously
http://www.infowars.com/preview-of-world-war-iii-russia-is-putting-on-a-display-of-firepower-that-is-shocking-the-world/

The Russians have unleashed their own version of “shock and awe” in Syria, and the brutal efficiency of their airstrikes against ISIS targets has stunned many observers around the globe.

For more than a year, the Obama administration has claimed that its bombing campaign in Syria has been a “success”, and yet ISIS has continued to grow stronger and gain more territory.  But now just over a few days the tide of the conflict appears to have turned.  The whole world has gotten a chance to see what a global superpower can truly do to a bunch of radical Islamic terrorists when it is focused and determined.  The images that we have seen of hardened ISIS command centers being wiped off the face of the map by Russian bombs are truly impressive.  But why did those targets still exist in the first place?  Was the U.S. military unable to identify them previously?  Or could it be possible that the Obama administration did not want to hit them?

What we do know is that a state of panic has been created among ISIS militants that we have not seen previously.  There are reports of hundreds of terrorists abandoning their positions and trying to flee the country…

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2015, 09:26:50 AM »
Moscow says 600 ‘militants’ flee Syria, vows to ramp up bombing
Russian jets had made more than 60 sorties over 50 IS targets
http://www.infowars.com/moscow-says-600-militants-flee-syria-vows-to-ramp-up-bombing/

Russian air strikes Saturday targeting the Islamic State group in Syria have sown “panic”, forcing some 600 “militants” to abandon their positions and head to Europe, Moscow claimed.

Summing up the results of Russia’s first three days of strikes, a senior official with the General Staff said Russian jets had made more than 60 sorties over 50 IS targets and added that Russia would ramp up its aerial campaign.

“Our intelligence shows that militants are leaving areas under their control. Panic and desertion have started in their ranks,” Colonel General Andrei Kartapolov, a senior Russian General Staff official, said in a statement.

“Some 600 mercenaries have abandoned their positions and are trying to find their way into Europe,” Kartapolov said.

“Over the past three days we have managed to undermine material and technical resources of the terrorists and significantly reduce their combat potential,” he added. “We will not only continue the strikes by our air force but also will increase their intensity.”

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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2015, 11:00:36 PM »
NATO:Russian aviation not bombed ISIS but rebels against Assad and violate the airspace of Turkey. NATO demands that Russia suspend its bombing.  >:( >:(

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151005/1028059644/russia-syria-nato-turkey-airstrikes-isil.htmlhttp://

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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2015, 07:20:28 AM »
The Free Syrian Army is an abstract entity designed to get Military Aid.

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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2015, 09:16:29 AM »
Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS

You Tube - 7 minutes of the Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww



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« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2015, 10:29:32 AM »
^^^

… that about wraps it up. "Stop your imperalist
aggression and join with us for peace."

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« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2015, 12:47:40 PM »
syrian girl spells it all out :

SyrianGirl debates Free Syrian Army on Australian show 'Insight'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEPadG0pQk


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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2016, 10:54:02 AM »
are there any topics devoted to infocampaing against Russia with regard to the military operation  in Syria?... seems lots of 'bombed hospitals' and crying syrian girls appear after 'rebels' have been fed with rockets.




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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2016, 11:17:43 AM »
 
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Daily Mail says Russia is bombing Al-Qaeda instead of ISIS
DM is trashy resource but i tend to agree. i'd say 75% of time Russia targets 'moderates' (AlNusra, FSA). which is not appreciated by USA (so tons of antirussian propaganda emerge)

ISIS imo is a british-french creation to counter-balance american actions (via moderates) and sabotage any undesired pipeline-geostrategic moves or territorial governance decisions. these countries took part in demonising Russia as well but simply for the sake of mantaining the show for the public ("united we stand", "world community is concerned", "civilized counties condemn..." and alike rethoric) as they cannot afford to demonstrate any differences with world's power N1/hegemon rethoric.

and sometimes these sort of blaming looks like our saying 'who are the loudest to shout "catch the thief!" - the thief is" (by this i imply that Russia is pretty much an instrument of UK+EU/France...so the course of action is to blame vigorously your pet/golem/left arm/weapon/etc.

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Re: Russia bombs Good Rebels ?
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2016, 12:01:06 PM »
Sometime I wish we called them "Black Flag" . . .

Because they keep changing the name, but the flag is identical.

Taliban ---> Al  Qaeda ---> ISIS


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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2016, 12:46:32 PM »
Sometime I wish we called them "Black Flag" . . .

Because they keep changing the name, but the flag is identical.

Taliban ---> Al  Qaeda ---> ISIS

Indeed.