Let me repeat my self, Catholic Church contradicted Christ for centuries ( inquisition, Jesuits, plunder and killings in Constantinople by
crusaders in 1204 AD, proselytism, St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, indulgence, Roman Pope Pius XII was not excommunicated Adolf Hitler from the Catholic Church, participation of Pope John Paul II in the destruction of Yugoslavia...).
Of course, that Vatican is not responsible for 90000 murdered Christians on Middle East. I did not wrote that.
But answer us on the forum, who are "freemasonic jews" who run Catholic Church ?
I asked you how the Catholic church with it's doctrine has gone against Christ..you haven't given me anything...your other examples are propaganda made up by jews and protestants, no point in arguing about it because you can't prove any of it and I'm not interested
JP 2 was not catholic
when you ask who freemason jews are that is a loaded question, not sure what exactly you want to know..names?
are you not aware of freemasonry? the jews who killed Christ ,started the french revolution, the bolshevik revolution ,have controlled the important freemasonic lodges , have always waned to destroy the Catholic Church, if you pm me I can send you some books
as for indulgences
It is claimed that the Catholic Church invented the doctrine on indulgences in order to extract money from the faithful. Critics
are quick to remind us that it was the selling of indulgences in the Middle Ages that sparked the Protestant Reformation. No
one disputes that there were abuses by individuals in the past. But past abuses should not be used as a reason to reject
indulgences. The Bible itself has always been subject to abuse. Should it too be rejected? Of course not! Both the Bible and
the doctrine on Indulgences should stand or fall on their own merits.
indulgences cannot be bought. Some will claim that the fees attached to Masses for the dead prove otherwise.
However, the fees are small and usually go to the priest who says the Mass. Certainly priests, just like all full time ministers,
deserve to get paid for the work they do. The Apostle Paul says as much in 1 Corinthians 9:11-12: "If we have sown spiritual
good among you, is it too much if we reap your material benefits? If others share this rightful claim upon you, do not we still
The use of indulgences goes back to the early days of the Church and is firmly based on scriptural principals. The Bible
clearly teaches that some punishments are eternal (lasting forever), and others are temporal (lasting for only a time).
Indulgences are granted for the remission of the temporal punishment due to sin.
One example in the Bible of temporal punishment is that of King David. When he was found guilty of murder and adultery,
he repented and was forgiven by God (2 Samuel 12:1-18). Although God forgave him, He still punished him with, among
other things, the death of his son.
That temporal punishment is satisfied in Purgatory is a necessity of Scripture. We know from 1 John 5:17, that all sins are not
mortal (depriving us of eternal life). We also know that we must account for every sin. Ecclesiastes 12:14 says: "God will
bring every deed into judgment." And In Matthew 12:36-37 Jesus says: "On the Day of Judgment men will render
account for every careless word they utter." How would someone who died with non mortal sins account "for every
careless word?" Purgatory is the only possible answer.
The Church has always taught that temporal punishment is required in this life or in Purgatory to heal the wounds of sin and
prepare us for eternal happiness with God. Pope Paul VI speaks of that dual role in his "Apostolic Constitution on
Indulgences:" "The aim pursued by ecclesiastical authority [The Church] in granting indulgences is not only that of helping
the faithful to expiate the punishment due sin but also that of urging them to perform works of piety, penance and
charity – particularly those which lead to growth in faith and which favor the common good" (4:
. The Bible itself
encourages such behavior.
On piety: "Present your bodies as a living sacrifice; holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual
worship" (Romans 12:1).
On penance: "Yet even now," says the Lord, "return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with
weeping, and with mourning; and rend your hearts and not your garments. Return to the Lord, your God,
for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, and repents of evil" (Joel
On charity: "But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart
against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or speech, but in
deed and in truth" (1 John 3:17-18).
Those receiving indulgences must be sorry for their sins. The wrong attitude toward sin renders our prayers ineffectual. In
Psalm 66:18-19 we read: "If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened." Performing acts of
piety, penance and charity helps us to focus on the effects of sin, thus promoting in us a genuine contempt for it. A truly
repentant individual is more likely to grow in holiness.
Indulgences may be partial, remitting only a part of the temporal punishment due, or plenary, remitting all of the temporal
punishment due. Some Bible Christians are fond of claiming that the Catholic Church tries to keep its members away from
25the Bible. Ironically, "A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, with the veneration due the divine word, make a
spiritual reading from Sacred Scripture. A plenary indulgence is granted, if this reading is continued for at least one half an
hour" (Enchiridion of Indulgences No. 50).
Strictly speaking, the granting of indulgences is not the forgiving of sins. "An indulgence is a remission before God of the
temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven" (Catechism of the Catholic Church No. 1471).
Thus indulgences may be applied to the souls in purgatory by way of prayer. This was taught by the early Church as
evidenced by Tertullian, who wrote: "We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries" (The Crown 3:3, 211
"An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by
Christ Jesus (Matthew 16:19), intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of
Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishment due for their sins"
(Catechism of the Catholic Church No. 1478). The granting of indulgences is the logical extension of the Church's ministry
of forgiveness (John 20:21-23).
There is some misunderstanding concerning the term "the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints." It is feared that the
Church is somehow equating the saints with Christ. However, this is not so. The treasury consists of the prayers of Christ and
the saints. The term is simply an acknowledgment that they both pray for us (Hebrews 7:25, Revelation 5:
Furthermore, the use of the word "merits" does not mean that we can earn anything from God. James Akin addressed this
point in an article that appeared in the November 1994 issue of "This Rock" magazine entitled, "A Primer on Indulgences."
Humans can't earn anything from God, though by His grace they can please him in a way He chooses to
reward. Picturing the saints' acts under a single, collective metaphor (such as a treasury) is biblical: "It was
granted her [the Bride] to be clothed with fine linen, bright and pure" (Revelation 19:
. John tells us, "For
the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints." Here the righteous deeds of the saints are pictured under
the collective metaphor of clothing on the bride of Christ, the Church. Jewish theology also recognizes a
treasury of merits. Jewish theologians speak of "the merits of the fathers" – the idea being that the
patriarchs pleased God and inherited certain promises as a reward. God fulfills these promises and ends up
treating later Jews more gently than they would have been treated. The idea of "the merits of the fathers" is
essentially the same as the Catholic concept of the "treasury of merits." Both postulate a class of
individuals, the Old Testament patriarchs on the one hand and Christ and the saints on the other, who have
pleased God and whom God chooses to reward in a way involving lesser temporal punishments on others.
An example of this principle can be found in 2 Kings 8:16-19:
In the fifth year of Joram the son of Ahab, king of Israel, Jehoram the son of Jehosophat, king of Judah,
began to reign. He was thirty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned eight years in Jerusalem.
And he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, as the house of Ahab had done, for the daughter of Ahab
was his wife. And he did what was evil in the sight of the Lord. Yet the Lord would not destroy
Judah, for the sake of David his servant, since he promised to give a lamp to him and to his sons forever.
That indulgences exist is reasonable and to be expected. The same loving Father, who through the death of His only Son
provided a way to eliminate our eternal punishment, also provided a way to eliminate our temporal punishment.