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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2017, 04:07:36 AM »
I'm anti-religion(established).

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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2017, 04:39:35 AM »
Martin Luther was a Rosicrucian Agent.



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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2017, 04:59:39 AM »
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2017, 05:12:19 AM »
Martin Luther was a Rosicrucian Agent.

“The science of alchymy I like very well, and indeed, ‘tis the philosophy of the ancients. I like it not only for the profits it brings in melting metals, in decocting, preparing, extracting and distilling herbs, roots; I like it also for the sake of the allegory and secret signification, which is exceedingly fine, touching the resurrection of the dead at the last day.”

 - Martin Luther, “Table Talk,” “Lyndy Abraham’s ‘Dictionary of Alchemical Imagery’
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2017, 05:18:46 AM »
Martin Luther was a Rosicrucian Agent.

It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavored to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope.
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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2017, 05:21:56 AM »
Martin Luther was a Rosicrucian Agent.

Martin Luther’s personal seal appeared on the third Rosicrucian Manifesto,

The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz:



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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2017, 05:33:14 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2017, 06:02:13 AM »
When did Martin Luther nail the satanic manifesto to the church door ?

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« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2017, 10:53:23 AM »
The Ninety-five Theses or Disputation on the Power of Indulgence ?

Click it and Read It....

Of course being Orthodox, you could just sit back and laugh  :o
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« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2017, 11:05:49 AM »
Click it and Read It....

Of course being Orthodox, you could just sit back and laugh  :o

EG, wait a minute, I'm in school studying to be a Martin Luther in Germany protested against corruption in the Vatican ("indulgence") .I think that in England, this act of M. Luther is treated as an act of courage and not laughing.  :o

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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2017, 03:38:04 PM »
Thats not what I got out of it when I read the bible.
you are aware the bible states it's not open to private interpretation

THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY WARNS AGAINST MISUSING THE SCRIPTURES TO
CREATE FALSE DOCTRINES WHICH LEAD TO DESTRUCTION
2 Peter 3:15-16 “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these
things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that
are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures,
unto their own destruction.”
It’s interesting that this admonition about twisting the Scriptures unto damnation
comes in the epistle of St. Peter, the one who was chosen to be the first pope. It is
St. Peter who warns against misusing the writings of St. Paul. It is Paul’s writings
which are most frequently misused and misunderstood by Protestants to invent false
doctrines, such as justification by faith alone and Scripture alone.

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2017, 03:44:20 PM »
Davide, you really mean that Catholic Church run by Freemasonic Jews ? I think you are joking or you forgot meeting Pope Francis and Patriarch of Moscow Kirill in Cuba last year.
The "Catholic Church" of today is not Catholic, it is run by freemason jews. I call it the Vatican 2 sect, a counterfeit Church which is catholic in name only. The true traditional Catholic Church is of course the Church of Christ, all the early Christians were Catholic

convert or perish for eternity, I am amazed how the majority of the public and so called truth seekers  don't care about their soul and haven't figured this out.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 8, 110 A.D. “Apart
from the bishop, let no one do anything that pertains to the Church. The only
true Eucharist is the one performed by the bishop or by him whom the bishop
has appointed. Wherever the bishop is, there must be the congregation, just as
wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic Church.”

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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2017, 05:11:43 PM »
THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY WARNS AGAINST MISUSING THE SCRIPTURES TO
CREATE FALSE DOCTRINES WHICH LEAD TO DESTRUCTION

So do you think St.Peter, my name sake btw, is the rock on which the church was founded on, or do you think Christ being the living embodiment of the Most High is the rock the church was founded on?

Christ named him Peter, why? Because of his steadiness in foundation, like a rock to profess the truth, unlike his countrymen. But profess what truth?
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…16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2017, 05:18:20 PM »
The "Catholic Church" of today is not Catholic, it is run by freemason jews. I call it the Vatican 2 sect, a counterfeit Church which is catholic in name only. The true traditional Catholic Church is of course the Church of Christ, all the early Christians were Catholic

Out of interest, why is it not the Orthodox Church = One True Church ?

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« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2017, 09:56:00 PM »
Out of interest, why is it not the Orthodox Church = One True Church ?

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they were part of the 1 true church until they separated , schism in 1054 or near abouts..they reject the Papacy for starters...as a Catholic that holds the sedevantst position while I reject the current pope because he is clearly a heretic from hell, true Christians  must  believe in the papacy

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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2017, 09:58:19 PM »
So do you think St.Peter, my name sake btw, is the rock on which the church was founded on, or do you think Christ being the living embodiment of the Most High is the rock the church was founded on?

Christ named him Peter, why? Because of his steadiness in foundation, like a rock to profess the truth, unlike his countrymen. But profess what truth?

CONSIDERING THE CONTEXT, IT WOULD BE ABSURD IF JESUS WERE NOT
SAYING THAT PETER IS THE ROCKThink for a moment how absurd it would be if Jesus were not saying that Peter is the
rock. As we’ve just shown, Jesus pronounces Peter alone blessed.
“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona...”
(Matthew 16:17)
Jesus changes only Peter’s name.
“And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build
my church...” (Matthew 16:18)
Jesus gathers His disciples and gives the keys of the Kingdom to Peter alone. He
then gives to Peter alone the power to bind and loose.
“And I will give unto thee [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven...” (Matthew
16:19)
But when he’s talking about the rock, even though the statement is in the midst of all
of these others to Peter alone, Protestants would have us believe that Jesus is not
talking about Peter but about Himself or something else. It’s ridiculous. It’s obviously
false that argumentation really shouldn’t be necessary.
Further, it should be pointed out that the reason that Jesus, while referring to Peter,
says “upon this rock I will build my Church,” rather than upon you, is because while
Peter is definitely the rock, the office He is establishing in Peter (the Papacy) will
endure through the ages well after Peter is gone. It’s founded upon Peter, but will
continue to exist after Peter is gone. It’s an institution in Peter, but will not be limited
to Peter. He will have successors.

MANY PROTESTANTS ADMIT THAT IT’S OBVIOUS THAT PETER IS THE ROCK
Even some Protestants have been forced to admit, in the face of the facts, that it’s
futile to continue to deny that Peter is the Rock.
David Hill, Presbyterian minister and senior lecturer of biblical studies at the
University of Sheffield, writes: “It is on Peter himself, the confessor of his
Messiahship, that Jesus will build the Church... Attempts to interpret the ‘rock’
as something other than Peter in person (e.g. his faith, the truth revealed to
him) are due to Protestant bias, and introduce to the statement a degree of
subtlety which is highly unlikely.” (Quoted from The Gospel of Matthew, New
Century Bible Commentary, p. 261.)

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« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2017, 01:28:30 AM »
CONSIDERING THE CONTEXT, IT WOULD BE ABSURD IF JESUS WERE NOT
SAYING THAT PETER IS THE ROCKThink for a moment how absurd it would be if Jesus were not saying that Peter is the
rock. As we’ve just shown, Jesus pronounces Peter alone blessed.
“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona...”
(Matthew 16:17)
Jesus changes only Peter’s name.
“And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build
my church...” (Matthew 16:18)
Jesus gathers His disciples and gives the keys of the Kingdom to Peter alone. He
then gives to Peter alone the power to bind and loose.
“And I will give unto thee [Peter] the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven...” (Matthew
16:19)
But when he’s talking about the rock, even though the statement is in the midst of all
of these others to Peter alone, Protestants would have us believe that Jesus is not
talking about Peter but about Himself or something else. It’s ridiculous. It’s obviously
false that argumentation really shouldn’t be necessary.

It's ridiculous to think that Jesus is the not the rock that the church is built on. That he is the living embodiment of the Creator. For if this single tenet is not believed then Christ can not die on the cross for our sins.

Jesus gives Peter the right to scibe and preach the gospels, as he understood that Christ as the living in the flesh Creator, that Christ is the stone that the builders rejected and became the cornerstone
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2017, 06:59:33 AM »
they were part of the 1 true church until they separated , schism in 1054 or near abouts..they reject the Papacy for starters...as a Catholic that holds the sedevantst position while I reject the current pope because he is clearly a heretic from hell, true Christians  must  believe in the papacy

Christian Orthodox Church did not "separate from true church".  That is long story. This is short: Papacy has become a symbol of corruption.
Pope Francis is not headman of "1 true church"  :o

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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2017, 07:13:50 AM »
Christian Orthodox Church did not "separate from true church".  That is long story. This is short: Papacy has become a symbol of corruption.
Pope Francis is not headman of "1 true church"  :o

I agree with you.

The Reformation and Martin Luther was only made possible by Rome.

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« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2017, 04:31:55 PM »
Christian Orthodox Church did not "separate from true church".  That is long story. This is short: Papacy has become a symbol of corruption.
Pope Francis is not headman of "1 true church"  :o
When did I say Borgolio is head of the Church of Christ? He is head of the counterfeit Church, he is a heretic , anti catholic .

The papacy is biblical

JESUS GIVES THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM TO PETER IN MATTHEW 16
Matthew 16:16-19 “And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ,
the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art
thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.”
Jesus gives the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter, and declares that
whatsoever he binds on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever he looses
upon earth shall be loosed in Heaven. Even though all 12 disciples are gathered
together for this meeting, Jesus says these things only to St. Peter.

JESUS ENTRUSTS ALL HIS SHEEP TO PETER IN JOHN 21
John chapter 21 provides more proof that Jesus entrusted all the members of His
Church to St. Peter.
John 21:15-17 “So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon,
son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord;
thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to
him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto
him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Tend my
sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?
Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me?
And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love
thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
We see here, in John 21, that Jesus entrusts all of His sheep to St. Peter. The
dogmatic First Vatican Council of the Catholic Church said that this moment in John
21, after the Resurrection of Jesus, was the moment that Jesus actually gave to St.Peter the keys and the authority over His church which He had promised him in
Matthew 16.
It’s important to emphasize that this moment after the Resurrection, in John 21, was
the point at which Jesus made St. Peter the first pope. This is significant because
some non-Catholics bring up St. Peter’s three-fold denial of Christ in John 18:25 and
following. When Peter denied Jesus Christ, it was before the Crucifixion and
Resurrection. Jesus had not yet given St. Peter the authority as pope. The words in
Mt. 16:18-20 promise the keys of the Kingdom to St. Peter. They promise that Jesus
would build His Church upon Him and make him the prime minister of His Church,
but that office was not conferred upon Peter until after the Resurrection, by these
words in John 21:15-17. Therefore, St. Peter’s denial of Christ poses no problem at
all for Catholic teaching on the papacy.
Further, the Catholic Church does not teach that a true pope cannot sin mortally or
even lose his soul. It teaches that a true pope holds the position of supreme authority
in the Church, and that when a true pope teaches in a building fashion to the
universal Church, God will protect him from teaching error. The power is in the office
itself, which is protected by Christ.

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2017, 04:35:32 PM »
It's ridiculous to think that Jesus is the not the rock that the church is built on. That he is the living embodiment of the Creator. For if this single tenet is not believed then Christ can not die on the cross for our sins.

Jesus gives Peter the right to scibe and preach the gospels, as he understood that Christ as the living in the flesh Creator, that Christ is the stone that the builders rejected and became the cornerstone
where do you come up with such nonsense, why do you reject the bible?
1 Corinthians 3:11 “For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid;
which is Christ Jesus.”
Those who raise this objection fail to realize that the Bible speaks of all the Apostles
as foundations.
Revelations 21:14 “And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in
them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Is there a contradiction between Rev. 21:14 and 1 Cor. 3:11? No, of course not. The
fact that Christ is the only foundation, as 1 Cor. 3:11 teaches, simply means that
everything comes from Christ. All true authority in the Church must come from Christ
because the Church itself comes from Christ. Anything outside of Christ is a false
foundation.
Peter’s authority comes precisely from Jesus Christ, as Matthew 16 shows. It’s quite
obvious, therefore, that if Jesus is the one who established these things in Peter,
then what set up in Peter is not a foundation other than of Christ. It’s the very
foundation of Christ.
So, the fact that Christ is the foundation or the cornerstone, as we read in Ephesians
2:20, does not mean that Christ Himself could not or did not establish one apostle to
have a perpetual office which would be the rock upon which the Church would be
built. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. For example: Jesus is the Good
Shepherd (John 10:14), but He also gives the responsibility of shepherding all His
sheep to Peter, as we will see in John 21:15-17. Jesus is the one with the keys (Rev.
1:18; Rev. 3:7), but He gives His keys to Peter.

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2017, 04:41:43 PM »
I agree with you.

The Reformation and Martin Luther was only made possible by Rome.
what source do you have to back up this claim..Luther was a heretic, became an enemy to the Catholic Church

Protestantism originated with Martin Luther (1483-1546), an ex-Catholic. Even
though Protestants would contend that they follow “true biblical Christianity,” and not
a man, they are inclined to defend Martin Luther. This is because Martin Luther was
the first identifiable spokesman for their version of “Christianity.” Prior to his
separation from the Catholic Church in 1520, there was no public defender of what
we now know to be Protestantism, the core doctrines of which are justification by
faith alone and Scripture alone.


Not long after his meetings with Cajetan in November of 1518, Luther’s views
underwent another significant development. He came to the conclusion that the
pope, to whose decrees he had just claimed submission, is the antichrist. He writes:
“I send you my trifling work that you may see whether I am not right in supposing
that, according to Paul, the real Antichrist holds sway over the Roman court.” (De
Wette, I., 192; Enders I., 317; Pastor, Vol. 7, pp. 378-379.) Numerous utterances from
this time show that Luther had “fully formulated his proposition that the pope was
antichrist.”
Yet, at this very time that he was calling the pope “the Antichrist,” Luther
appealed to a general council from the pope (Luther’s works, Weimar ed., II., 36
seq.). In other words, Luther considered the decisions of general councils to be
definitive and authoritative. This of course contradicts one of the pillars of
Protestantism: Scripture alone.
Therefore, even at the point that Luther had firmly set his face against the
Papacy as “the Antichrist,” he still hadn’t discovered Protestantism. The so-
called “biblical faith” was still unknown to its eventual founder. One should consider
this fact deeply; for it demonstrates that whenever Luther did come up with
Protestantism, it was nothing more than the creation of a confused mind

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2017, 04:52:46 PM »
It's ridiculous to think that Jesus is the not the rock that the church is built on. That he is the living embodiment of the Creator. For if this single tenet is not believed then Christ can not die on the cross for our sins.

Jesus gives Peter the right to scibe and preach the gospels, as he understood that Christ as the living in the flesh Creator, that Christ is the stone that the builders rejected and became the cornerstone

the ONLY sin I see that Christ was sacrificed for (a blood sacrifice) was our being born Gentiles as opposed to Jewish...his blood changed the rules and allowed all to partake in the God of Abraham.

as far as Catholicism, and Christianity in general, I feel they have all ignored the words of Christ (you know, in red in the King James version) and too boot have many times corrupted them to mean the opposite of what I believe he intended.  Paul, who was Saul, who had an epileptic fit on the road to Damascus, wrote the majority of the New Testament and to me perverted the faith so the Church could survive...

my faith?  at the least good over evil, creation over destruction...I believe in the words of Christ, no doubt...

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2017, 05:05:23 PM »
@ DAVIDE MTL

Yes, papacy is biblical but, i repeat papacy for centuries is symbol of corruption. Pope Francis is heretic ? Who is headman of true church of Christ ? Ask any Orthodox Christian or Protestant what think about papacy and Roman Pope be headman of Orthodox Church or Protestant`s churches.

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« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2017, 06:07:01 PM »
@ DAVIDE MTL

Yes, papacy is biblical but, i repeat papacy for centuries is symbol of corruption. Pope Francis is heretic ? Who is headman of true church of Christ ? Ask any Orthodox Christian or Protestant what think about papacy and Roman Pope be headman of Orthodox Church or Protestant`s churches.
Papacy itself has no corruption, have there been some corrupted popes..yes..right now the seat is vacant, there is no true pope for the Church of Christ...not sure what you mean by ask protestants what they think....in any case it doesn't matter what they think, they don't have the true faith

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« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2017, 06:25:27 PM »
where do you come up with such nonsense, why do you reject the bible?
1 Corinthians 3:11 “For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid;
which is Christ Jesus.”
Those who raise this objection fail to realize that the Bible speaks of all the Apostles
as foundations.
Revelations 21:14 “And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in
them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Is there a contradiction between Rev. 21:14 and 1 Cor. 3:11? No, of course not. The
fact that Christ is the only foundation, as 1 Cor. 3:11 teaches, simply means that
everything comes from Christ. All true authority in the Church must come from Christ
because the Church itself comes from Christ. Anything outside of Christ is a false
foundation.
Peter’s authority comes precisely from Jesus Christ, as Matthew 16 shows. It’s quite
obvious, therefore, that if Jesus is the one who established these things in Peter,
then what set up in Peter is not a foundation other than of Christ. It’s the very
foundation of Christ.
So, the fact that Christ is the foundation or the cornerstone, as we read in Ephesians
2:20, does not mean that Christ Himself could not or did not establish one apostle to
have a perpetual office which would be the rock upon which the Church would be
built. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. For example: Jesus is the Good
Shepherd (John 10:14), but He also gives the responsibility of shepherding all His
sheep to Peter, as we will see in John 21:15-17. Jesus is the one with the keys (Rev.
1:18; Rev. 3:7), but He gives His keys to Peter.

Ok, maybe we're getting skewed here. The cornerstone is Christ. The foundation of the church is the tenet that Christ is the living embodiment of the Almighty One True God. For if we don't take that as the foundation of our understanding then Christ can never die on the cross for our sins and can never be resurrected.

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1 Corinthians 15
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is ·worth nothing [futile; useless; empty], and your faith is ·worth nothing [futile; useless; empty].

When Christ said I will give you the keys to my Kingdom, he was speaking to all the Apostles. As noted in the next statement that he wanted all of them not to reveal that he was Christ. Not just that but all the Apostles wrote and went out and preached Christs tenets. This is why they are also seen as foundations.

Christ used the phrase, will give, which is future tense...so where in the future did he give the Apostles the keys to heaven?

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John 14
5“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?” 6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Because God's Kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, you must be born into it through spiritual rebirth.

"And I appoint unto you a Kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me." (Luke 22:29)

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:6-7)

Paul explained that you could not enter the Kingdom with a flesh and blood body:
    "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God..." (I Corinthians 15:50)
You enter the Kingdom of God and become heirs of the Kingdom through spiritual rebirth. The way to be born again is by believing that Jesus died to pay the penalty for your sins. You must confess your sins, ask forgiveness, be baptized into his church and place your trust in Him:
 
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that theworld through Him might be saved. "(John 3:16-17)

It is through Jesus that you can move from the kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of God:
  "(God) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness and hath translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son." (Colossians 1:13)



What is bound or loosened are sins. The apostles were given the authority to determine which sins are remitted (that is, forgiven and not paid for immediately) and to determine which sins are retained (that is, held to the person’s account and paid for immediately).

Now Peter did have a special place because of his steadfastness in the Truth. He was able to give the keys to the Kingdom to the gentiles, who were considered profane.

That which is bound in Heaven, is also bound on Earth
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14 But Peter said, “·No [Absolutely not], Lord! I have never eaten food that is ·unholy [profane; common] or ·unclean [ritually defiled; C the OT food laws differentiated Israelites from Gentiles; Lev. 11; Ezek. 4:13–15].”

15 But the voice said to him again, “God has made these things clean, so don’t call them ·‘unholy’ [‘profane’; ‘common’]!”



So I can not explain it any better. It's going to come down to your discernment over mine.
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2017, 06:30:57 PM »
the ONLY sin I see that Christ was sacrificed for (a blood sacrifice) was our being born Gentiles as opposed to Jewish...his blood changed the rules and allowed all to partake in the God of Abraham.

This explains it better than I can.

https://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/why-did-jesus-have-die-our-sins
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2017, 11:42:24 AM »
Ok, maybe we're getting skewed here. The cornerstone is Christ. The foundation of the church is the tenet that Christ is the living embodiment of the Almighty One True God. For if we don't take that as the foundation of our understanding then Christ can never die on the cross for our sins and can never be resurrected.

When Christ said I will give you the keys to my Kingdom, he was speaking to all the Apostles. As noted in the next statement that he wanted all of them not to reveal that he was Christ. Not just that but all the Apostles wrote and went out and preached Christs tenets. This is why they are also seen as foundations.

Christ used the phrase, will give, which is future tense...so where in the future did he give the Apostles the keys to heaven?

Because God's Kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, you must be born into it through spiritual rebirth.

"And I appoint unto you a Kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me." (Luke 22:29)

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:6-7)

Paul explained that you could not enter the Kingdom with a flesh and blood body:
    "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God..." (I Corinthians 15:50)
You enter the Kingdom of God and become heirs of the Kingdom through spiritual rebirth. The way to be born again is by believing that Jesus died to pay the penalty for your sins. You must confess your sins, ask forgiveness, be baptized into his church and place your trust in Him:
 
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that theworld through Him might be saved. "(John 3:16-17)

It is through Jesus that you can move from the kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of God:
  "(God) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness and hath translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son." (Colossians 1:13)



What is bound or loosened are sins. The apostles were given the authority to determine which sins are remitted (that is, forgiven and not paid for immediately) and to determine which sins are retained (that is, held to the person’s account and paid for immediately).

Now Peter did have a special place because of his steadfastness in the Truth. He was able to give the keys to the Kingdom to the gentiles, who were considered profane.

That which is bound in Heaven, is also bound on Earth


So I can not explain it any better. It's going to come down to your discernment over mine.

you wrote

When Christ said I will give you the keys to my Kingdom, he was speaking to all the Apostles

He was in the midst of all the apostles but clearly only gave the keys to St Peter,

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of
heaven:

No other apostle is given the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. In Matthew 18:18, we
read that all the Apostles are given the power to bind and to loose; but Peter alone is
promised the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven in Matthew 16:19. This shows us that
the power which is given to all the Apostles to bind and to loose in Matthew 18:18,
must be exercised under the keys which are given alone to Peter. Peter has a unique
position of authority in the Church.


you wrote: What is bound or loosened are sins. The apostles were given the authority to determine which sins are remitted (that is, forgiven and not paid for immediately) and to determine which sins are retained (that is, held to the person’s account and paid for immediately).

this is you private interpretation that only sins are bound or loosened. Acts chapter 15 expresses the first documented instance of loosening and binding; what has been later termed the Council at Jerusalem. Here the early controversy of circumcision was resolved, and loosened from being a qualification for salvation and acceptance into the community of believers

The fact is Jesus gave the power to the apostles to forgive sins, that's why the Church has confession to priests

John 20:21-23 “Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my
Father hath sent me, even so I send you. And when he had said this, he
breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose
sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall
retain, they are retained.”
Jesus says that whoever’s sins you forgive, they are forgiven; and whoever’s sins
you retain (do not forgive), they are not forgiven. Nothing could be more clear. The
Apostles could only determine which sins to forgive and which sins to retain if they
heard a confession of sins. This passage proves that Jesus instituted confession to
priests.


you wrote

"Christ used the phrase, will give, which is future tense...so where in the future did he give the Apostles the keys to heaven?"


We see here, in John 21, that Jesus entrusts all of His sheep to St. Peter. The
dogmatic First Vatican Council of the Catholic Church said that this moment in John
21, after the Resurrection of Jesus, was the moment that Jesus actually gave to St.Peter the keys and the authority over His church which He had promised him in
Matthew 16.
It’s important to emphasize that this moment after the Resurrection, in John 21, was
the point at which Jesus made St. Peter the first pope. This is significant because
some non-Catholics bring up St. Peter’s three-fold denial of Christ in John 18:25 and
following. When Peter denied Jesus Christ, it was before the Crucifixion and
Resurrection. Jesus had not yet given St. Peter the authority as pope. The words in
Mt. 16:18-20 promise the keys of the Kingdom to St. Peter. They promise that Jesus
would build His Church upon Him and make him the prime minister of His Church,
but that office was not conferred upon Peter until after the Resurrection, by these
words in John 21:15-17. Therefore, St. Peter’s denial of Christ poses no problem at
all for Catholic teaching on the papacy.


hope this clears things up for you

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2017, 12:17:52 PM »
This explains it better than I can.

https://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/why-did-jesus-have-die-our-sins

all that explains is the argument I've already refuted with a far more logical statement: Christ died so that Gentiles would be allowed to follow the God of Abraham...do you understand that before that we Gentiles were forbidden to do so?

AFAIC that 'explanation' you linked to is yet another corruption of what Jesus stood/stands for.


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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2017, 08:31:24 AM »
I agree with you.

The Reformation and Martin Luther was only made possible by Rome.


what source do you have to back up this claim..Luther was a heretic, became an enemy to the Catholic Church

How about you look at the differences between the Eastern Orthodox and Roman churches ?

Both started out as one church, but split - you already know that . . .
BUT . . . . One church went all Hippy Vatican 2, and started adding stuff that was made up.

I'll leave it to you to find out.
It should be an agreeable read as the Orthodox never, ever had  Vatican II, they stayed pure and original - like you.
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2017, 12:02:43 PM »
all that explains is the argument I've already refuted with a far more logical statement: Christ died so that Gentiles would be allowed to follow the God of Abraham...do you understand that before that we Gentiles were forbidden to do so?

Well exactly, Gentiles were unclean because we did not follow Biblical law, we were born into and lived in sin. And I'm sure you can refer to it as the blood sacrifice as with the allegory of the lamb.

So what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2017, 12:59:19 PM »

hope this clears things up for you

No, I'm sorry, but it didn't.

Why would Christ give the power to bind and loose to all Apostles, but not the keys to heaven?

Wasn't circumcision a covenant to God and not doing so a sin?

What are the keys to heaven?

The "keys" spoken of in Matthew 16:19 were first used by Peter on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts 2.  Nowhere did Peter or the Eleven ever even HINT that they could or would forgive anyone's sins!  The whole chapter is a testimony concerning Christ, the resurrection and His forgiveness.  Here are Peter's words in verse 21...

    " And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Acts 2:21)

They were saved because of the Word of God Peter preached.  They were then baptized as a public testimony of their faith.  Notice Peter's Words in Acts 2:41...

    "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about 3,000 souls."

Peter used the "keys" (symbolic of God's Word) again in Acts 10.  God sent Peter to the Gentile named Cornelius, to show the Jews that the Gentiles could be saved also.  Read Chapter 10 and nowhere do you find Peter EVER claiming the power to forgive anyone's sins.  Peter directed the lost to Christ and Him alone.  Here are Peter's Words in Acts 10:43...

    "To him (Christ) give all the prophets witness, that through his (Christ's) name whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM (Christ) SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS."

The power to forgive sin is Christ's and Christ's alone. The keys are God's word, with instruction on how just to do that, in which he gave to all Apostles.


So I can not explain it any better. It's going to come down to your discernment over mine.
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2017, 02:53:39 PM »

How about you look at the differences between the Eastern Orthodox and Roman churches ?

Both started out as one church, but split - you already know that . . .
BUT . . . . One church went all Hippy Vatican 2, and started adding stuff that was made up.

I'll leave it to you to find out.
It should be an agreeable read as the Orthodox never, ever had  Vatican II, they stayed pure and original - like you.
I thought you were discussing Luther ,now jumping to Orthodox..who are not pure and original, they are schismatic, don't believe in t papal supremacy, the papacy, they believe it's ok to divorce 1 time, directly contradicting Christ etc

Satan through Jewry has always wanted to destroy the Catholic Church, Vatican 2 is their masterpiece

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2017, 03:00:16 PM »
No, I'm sorry, but it didn't.

Why would Christ give the power to bind and loose to all Apostles, but not the keys to heaven?

Wasn't circumcision a covenant to God and not doing so a sin?

What are the keys to heaven?

The "keys" spoken of in Matthew 16:19 were first used by Peter on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts 2.  Nowhere did Peter or the Eleven ever even HINT that they could or would forgive anyone's sins!  The whole chapter is a testimony concerning Christ, the resurrection and His forgiveness.  Here are Peter's words in verse 21...

    " And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Acts 2:21)

They were saved because of the Word of God Peter preached.  They were then baptized as a public testimony of their faith.  Notice Peter's Words in Acts 2:41...

    "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about 3,000 souls."

Peter used the "keys" (symbolic of God's Word) again in Acts 10.  God sent Peter to the Gentile named Cornelius, to show the Jews that the Gentiles could be saved also.  Read Chapter 10 and nowhere do you find Peter EVER claiming the power to forgive anyone's sins.  Peter directed the lost to Christ and Him alone.  Here are Peter's Words in Acts 10:43...

    "To him (Christ) give all the prophets witness, that through his (Christ's) name whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM (Christ) SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS."

The power to forgive sin is Christ's and Christ's alone. The keys are God's word, with instruction on how just to do that, in which he gave to all Apostles.
you write "Wasn't circumcision a covenant to God and not doing so a sin?" not sure why you are mentioning this, you do know that St Paul removed the necessity of circumsion for Christians...are you against St Paul?

you write
Why would Christ give the power to bind and loose to all Apostles, but not the keys to heaven?

Why are you questioning Christ who did exactly that,

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.”
Jesus gives the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter, and declares that
whatsoever he binds on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever he looses
upon earth shall be loosed in Heaven. Even though all 12 disciples are gathered
together for this meeting, Jesus says these things only to St. Peter...how can you argue anything else??

No other apostle is given the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. In Matthew 18:18, we
read that all the Apostles are given the power to bind and to loose; but Peter alone is
promised the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven in Matthew 16:19. This shows us that
the power which is given to all the Apostles to bind and to loose in Matthew 18:18,
must be exercised under the keys which are given alone to Peter. Peter has a unique
position of authority in the Church

JESUS ENTRUSTS ALL HIS SHEEP TO WHO??   IN JOHN 21
 all the apostles???

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2017, 03:13:51 PM »
I thought you were discussing Luther ,now jumping to Orthodox..who are not pure and original, they are schismatic, don't believe in t papal supremacy, the papacy, they believe it's ok to divorce 1 time, directly contradicting Christ etc

Satan through Jewry has always wanted to destroy the Catholic Church, Vatican 2 is their masterpiece

For centuries Catholic Church is "not pure and original....directly contradicting to Christ".
In the public, Vatican do not calling Orthodox Christians "schismatics". Prove is meeting of Pope Francis and Russian Patriarch Kiril in Cuba last year. Historical meeting after 1000 years.
"M. Luther is heretic...schismatics". You must understand that time of supreme of Catholic Church over.
Pope Francis is understood that.
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2017, 03:15:54 PM »
you write "Wasn't circumcision a covenant to God and not doing so a sin?" not sure why you are mentioning this, you do know that St Paul removed the necessity of circumsion for Christians...are you against St Paul?

You wrote that. I was reiterating it but also adding that it was also a sin.


you write
Why would Christ give the power to bind and loose to all Apostles, but not the keys to heaven?

Why are you questioning Christ who did exactly that,

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.”
Jesus gives the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter, and declares that
whatsoever he binds on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever he looses
upon earth shall be loosed in Heaven. Even though all 12 disciples are gathered
together for this meeting, Jesus says these things only to St. Peter...how can you argue anything else??

How can he not be speaking to all the Apostles? They were all granted those powers, not just Peter. They only thing Jesus told Peter was that no one told him he was the Lord Jesus Christ except the Father and he gave him a name to show his faith. The Keys are the Word of God, that he is the living, in the flesh Creator.


No other apostle is given the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. In Matthew 18:18, we
read that all the Apostles are given the power to bind and to loose; but Peter alone is
promised the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven in Matthew 16:19. This shows us that
the power which is given to all the Apostles to bind and to loose in Matthew 18:18,
must be exercised under the keys which are given alone to Peter. Peter has a unique
position of authority in the Church

JESUS ENTRUSTS ALL HIS SHEEP TO WHO??   IN JOHN 21
 all the apostles???

Jesus tells Peter to feed his sheep. He didn't say I entrust all my sheep to you.

Again discernment. Why do you alter and infer what Christ is saying? This discussion is not going to lead any where. So we agree to disagree.
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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2017, 06:05:12 PM »
You wrote that. I was reiterating it but also adding that it was also a sin.


How can he not be speaking to all the Apostles? They were all granted those powers, not just Peter. They only thing Jesus told Peter was that no one told him he was the Lord Jesus Christ except the Father and he gave him a name to show his faith. The Keys are the Word of God, that he is the living, in the flesh Creator.


Jesus tells Peter to feed his sheep. He didn't say I entrust all my sheep to you.

Again discernment. Why do you alter and infer what Christ is saying? This discussion is not going to lead any where. So we agree to disagree.

if this discussion is not going anywhere is because you put your private misguided interpretations on scripture over the Church of Christ.
In your folly you can't even admit Jesus gives the keys to the kingdom to St Peter, you can't admit Jesus entrusts all His sheep to St Peter in John 21, you say " Jesus tells Peter to feed his sheep. He didn't say I entrust all my sheep to you."
what did he say then, I entrust half my sheep ? feed my sheep is all of His sheep, it's not that complicated.

and don't think these are the only  2places in the bible that proves the papacy

IN MATTHEW’S LIST, PETER IS NOT ONLY MENTIONED FIRST, BUT CALLED
“FIRST” OR “CHIEF”
Matthew 10:2 “Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first
[protos], Simon, who is called Peter...”
The Greek word used in Matthew 10:2 (protos) means first or chief or principal. Since
no other numbers are given in the list – and Peter was not the first one who followed
Jesus (Andrew was) – this statement is clearly not meant to assign a number to
Simon Peter. It is to indicate that he is the chief or leader or principal of the twelve.
Matthew is literally saying: The Chief, Peter.
It’s also interesting to note that protos is used to mean “chief” in Matthew 20:27.
Matthew 20:27 “And whosoever will be chief [protos] among you, let him be
your servant.”
The very same Gospel (Matthew) already told us that Peter is the chief among them
(Matthew 10:2). The statement in Matthew 20:27, about who will be the chief among
them, is therefore not some general instruction; but it is one that has a very specific
and concrete application. The chief, Peter, must also act like a servant, discharging
his position of leadership with humility. This verse is one reason why a pope (who is
chief in the Church of Jesus) is called “servant of the servants of God” (servus
servorum dei).

I can go on and on but something tells me it's in vain

THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY WARNS AGAINST MISUSING THE SCRIPTURES TO
CREATE FALSE DOCTRINES WHICH LEAD TO DESTRUCTION
2 Peter 3:15-16 “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these
things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that
are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures,
unto their own destruction.”
It’s interesting that this admonition about twisting the Scriptures unto damnation
comes in the epistle of St. Peter, the one who was chosen to be the first pope. It is
St. Peter who warns against misusing the writings of St. Paul. It is Paul’s writings
which are most frequently misused and misunderstood by Protestants to invent false
doctrines, such as justification by faith alone and Scripture alone.


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« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2017, 06:12:45 PM »
For centuries Catholic Church is "not pure and original....directly contradicting to Christ".
In the public, Vatican do not calling Orthodox Christians "schismatics". Prove is meeting of Pope Francis and Russian Patriarch Kiril in Cuba last year. Historical meeting after 1000 years.
"M. Luther is heretic...schismatics". You must understand that time of supreme of Catholic Church over.
Pope Francis is understood that.
Jackson Holly send a post about how many Christians were murdered last year on Middle East. 90000 men, women and children ! 

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=154709.320http://
Let me repeat myself, Borgolio is not a true pope, he is an anti pope, anti catholic..the Church is run by freemasonic jews

prove to me  how the Church in it' s doctrine has contradicted Christ for centuries

are you saying 90000$ men were killed by the Catholic Church last year? not sure why you are bringing this up. We haven't had a catholic pope since 1958 , convert to the true Catholic faith and save yourself, we're in he end times
 

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2017, 06:50:06 PM »
Let me repeat myself, Borgolio is not a true pope, he is an anti pope, anti catholic..the Church is run by freemasonic jews

prove to me  how the Church in it' s doctrine has contradicted Christ for centuries

are you saying 90000$ men were killed by the Catholic Church last year? not sure why you are bringing this up. We haven't had a catholic pope since 1958 , convert to the true Catholic faith and save yourself, we're in he end times

Let me repeat my self, Catholic Church contradicted Christ for centuries ( inquisition, Jesuits, plunder and killings in Constantinople by
crusaders in 1204 AD, proselytism, St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, indulgence, Roman Pope Pius XII was not excommunicated Adolf Hitler from the Catholic Church, participation of Pope John Paul II in the destruction of Yugoslavia...).

Of course, that Vatican is not responsible for 90000 murdered Christians on Middle East. I did not wrote that.

But answer us on the forum, who are "freemasonic jews" who run Catholic Church ?     

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« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2017, 06:59:26 PM »
I can go on and on but something tells me it's in vain

Now you got it

THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY WARNS AGAINST MISUSING THE SCRIPTURES TO
CREATE FALSE DOCTRINES WHICH LEAD TO DESTRUCTION

Maybe the church ought to reread the bible then. As it seems they go out of their way to justify their existence.

If I am wrong, that is between God and I.
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