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« Reply #200 on: February 11, 2017, 10:43:36 PM »
You need a Wife: and a life:

 if ya think all folks are going to HELL: because you say so: Well; I say you are incomplete: just as your thoughts are, a wew bit in the Twilight Zone...

....Get a life and a Clue on WHO: Jesus Christ is.

You cause trouble...and that is opposite of the Truth of Jesus Christ.

Now I understand that you are from the Roman Church of Lies,,,

Dave you better go to the real alter of Jesus and that would be; Humble yourself and then shut your mouth.
not that it matters I actually have a wife and 3 kids, you don't know what you are talking about so you post idiotic comments
and you don't know the bible, stop pretending you do
I cause trouble...we can agree..I'm following the Lord Jesus Christ


Matthew 10:34-37Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me.


next time you post nonsense I won't be as nice

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« Reply #201 on: February 12, 2017, 04:21:58 AM »
David MTL, you can hide corruption of Catholic Church in centuries besides quotes from the Bible. Best from Sunny Serbia.

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« Reply #202 on: February 12, 2017, 05:10:32 AM »
The thing that makes me laugh is that David MTL is regarded as a heretic by the catholic church.

I know he copy pastes long essays reasoning that he is legally a catholic, but the catholic church is the ultimate arbiter and declares he is a HERETIC.


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« Reply #203 on: February 12, 2017, 08:20:17 AM »
I don't post on other threads anymore because I don't have much to offer..most here know about the new world order etc...what the people here don't know much about is the true faith..so I post in hopes of teaching anyone who is willing to escape hellfire...if that is the definition of troll than by all means...I accept the troll label...as for getting lost why don't you make me heretic? you are a disgrace to God, don't know the bible and are too lazy to look up my claims...you are damned to hellfire unless you wake up


I will give David this. His expressed intent is noble.

He wants to share the "words of eternal life" as he understands them. Who like us believes "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory", that Jesus Christ is Lord.


So show each other grace & mercy through our common love as brothers in Christ.

But if you find each others doctrine foreign reason with each other from the scriptures. Studying together the scriptures may help all improve the knowledge & understanding.


There is enough error going around in all denominations in this late date that we all should be seriously searching the the scriptures daily to see what is true like the noble Bereans.

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« Reply #204 on: February 12, 2017, 01:27:45 PM »
The thing that makes me laugh is that David MTL is regarded as a heretic by the catholic church.

I know he copy pastes long essays reasoning that he is legally a catholic, but the catholic church is the ultimate arbiter and declares he is a HERETIC.
Why would I care what The Catholic Church of today (the vatican 2 sect) thinks about traditionalists like myself? They are run by anti Catholic freemasonic jews. They hate Christ so I want nothing to do with the leadership of today's church.

Francis that heretic from hell believes in celebrating the 500th anniversary of another heretic from hell Martin Luther. He believes I'm sinning if I try to convert non catholics to the true faith. So I sleep very well at night knowing I'm despised by these modernists from the pits of hell thank you very much.


Francis’ November 17, 2016 interview with the newspaper Avvenire:

Question: “Why was it so important to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Lutheran Reformation in Sweden? Was it a big step forward?”

Francis: “The meeting with the Lutheran Church in Lund was a further step in the ecumenical journey that began 50 years ago with the Lutheran-Catholic theological dialogue, culminating in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification signed in 1999…”

Question: “You also said to Patriarch Kirill of Moscow that ‘unity is achieved by walking forward’, that ‘unity will not come about as a miracle in the end; walking together is already unity’. You repeat this often. But what does this mean?”

Francis: “… unity is a grace that one must ask for, and it’s also why I say that every form of proselytism among Christians is sinful. The Church never grows through proselytism… Proselytism among Christians itself is therefore a serious sin for Christians.”

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« Reply #205 on: February 12, 2017, 01:31:20 PM »

I will give David this. His expressed intent is noble.

He wants to share the "words of eternal life" as he understands them. Who like us believes "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory", that Jesus Christ is Lord.


So show each other grace & mercy through our common love as brothers in Christ.

But if you find each others doctrine foreign reason with each other from the scriptures. Studying together the scriptures may help all improve the knowledge & understanding.


There is enough error going around in all denominations in this late date that we all should be seriously searching the the scriptures daily to see what is true like the noble Bereans.

Tonka you make a lot of sense. I do bible study with protestants as my closest friends who  are actually so called bible believing Christians ex catholics etc.
I encourage all here to show me through scripture how Catholic doctrine is wrong..and I will respond with truth. God bless

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« Reply #206 on: February 12, 2017, 03:25:48 PM »
Why would I care what The Catholic Church of today (the vatican 2 sect) thinks about traditionalists like myself? They are run by anti Catholic freemasonic jews. They hate Christ so I want nothing to do with the leadership of today's church.

Francis that heretic from hell believes in celebrating the 500th anniversary of another heretic from hell Martin Luther. He believes I'm sinning if I try to convert non catholics to the true faith. So I sleep very well at night knowing I'm despised by these modernists from the pits of hell thank you very much.


Francis’ November 17, 2016 interview with the newspaper Avvenire:

Question: “Why was it so important to commemorate the 500th anniversary of the Lutheran Reformation in Sweden? Was it a big step forward?”

Francis: “The meeting with the Lutheran Church in Lund was a further step in the ecumenical journey that began 50 years ago with the Lutheran-Catholic theological dialogue, culminating in the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification signed in 1999…”

Question: “You also said to Patriarch Kirill of Moscow that ‘unity is achieved by walking forward’, that ‘unity will not come about as a miracle in the end; walking together is already unity’. You repeat this often. But what does this mean?”

Francis: “… unity is a grace that one must ask for, and it’s also why I say that every form of proselytism among Christians is sinful. The Church never grows through proselytism… Proselytism among Christians itself is therefore a serious sin for Christians.”

I support the statement of Pope Francis that "every form of proselytism among Christians is sinful".

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« Reply #207 on: February 12, 2017, 03:47:40 PM »
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Catholic-Churtch-Los-Angeles-Archdiocese-Priests-Accused-Pedophile-Molest-Children-139129294.html

Some 200 Catholic priests suspected of sexual abuse are living undetected in communities across California, according to an attorney who represents hundreds of plaintiffs who sued the LA Archdiocese for molestation they say was inflicted on them by priests and clergy of the church. (Published Saturday, Feb. 11, 2012)
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Ray Boucher has mapped sixty locations where suspect priests live, in cities and towns from northern to southern California, and provided those locations to NBC4 exclusively.

“Many if not all these priests have admitted to sexual abuse,” Boucher said. “They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.”

Since none of the priests has actually been convicted of sex abuse, none can be identified under Megan’s Law, or their whereabouts revealed in related public databases.

“What the issue is here, is how you weigh the right of the people,” said Boucher, who is also one of the attorneys representing students in the Miramonte Elementary School sex abuse scandal. “In particular the right of children to be protected from molestation versus the right of privacy."


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Catholic-Churtch-Los-Angeles-Archdiocese-Priests-Accused-Pedophile-Molest-Children-139129294.html#ixzz4YVOqBXkk
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« Reply #208 on: February 26, 2017, 12:18:16 PM »
Guardian yearns in 2016 for 'reformation rift to finally be healed'

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After 500 years of schism, will the rift of the Reformation finally be healed?
Pope Francis is beginning a year of events to herald growing cooperation between Protestants and Catholics

Christian leaders and congregations will spend the next 12 months consolidating moves towards greater cooperation and dialogue after centuries of division. In the first papal visit to Sweden in more than 25 years, Francis will lead prayers asking “forgiveness for divisions perpetuated by Christians from the two traditions”. On Tuesday, he will celebrate mass in Malmö before around 10,000 people.

In Germany, leaders of the Catholic and main Protestant churches have issued a joint text calling for a “healing of memories” of past divisions. An ecumenical pilgrimage to the Holy Land aimed at highlighting common roots despite separation has just concluded.

The commemorations are the latest step in a slow rapprochement between the Catholic and Protestant traditions – pursued by Francis, who has put ecumenicalism and healing past wounds at the heart of his papacy
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/29/reformation-luther-pope-francis-catholics
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« Reply #209 on: February 26, 2017, 12:49:09 PM »
I watched on local TV interview with former reporter from Vatican and Serbian publicist L. Miceta. He was origin in Hercegovina. Near is Medjugorje - place of "miracles". Miceta said that Medjugorje was poorest Croatian village and now is Las Vegas. 

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Pope cuts penalties for paedophile priests - punishment? Lifetime of prayer.
« Reply #210 on: February 26, 2017, 01:22:50 PM »
Pope cuts penalties for paedophile priests - including one let off with just a lifetime of prayer for abusing five young boys
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4259164/Pope-quietly-trims-sanctions-sex-abusers-seeking-mercy.html
Pope Francis said to be applying his vision of a 'merciful church' to sex offenders
He reduced sentence for Rev Mauro Inzoli from defrocking to lifetime of prayer
But Vatican spokesman said abusive priests are also removed from the ministry

By ISOBEL FRODSHAM FOR MAILONLINE
25 February 2017

Pope Francis has been slammed by church officials and sex abuse survivors for cutting penalties for paedophile priests.

The Pope is said to be applying his vision of a 'merciful church' to sex offenders by reducing punishments to weaker sentences, such as a lifetime of prayer and penance.

It has been revealed by church officials that Pope Francis overruled advice given to him by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith about two priests  - allowing them to be punished by a lifetime of prayer.

One of the priests was the Reverend Mauro Inzoli, who was found guilty of abusing young boys by the Vatican in 2012 and was ordered to be defrocked.

However, he appealed, and in 2014 Francis reduced the penalty to a lifetime of prayer, prohibiting him from celebrating Mass in public or being near children, barring him from his diocese and ordering five years of psychotherapy.

Rev Inzoli was then convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against five children as young as 12.

He is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him. (continued)
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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« Reply #211 on: February 27, 2017, 09:04:14 PM »
And you shall know them by their 'fruits'.   A bad tree does not produce good fruit, and a good tree does not produce bad fruit.

I'm sorry, but the Roman Catholic church has been producing bad fruit for centuries upon centuries.  The pedophile scandals in the past 20 or so years is just the bad fruit becoming recently known.  The Inquisition was horrific bad fruit, and that was hundreds of years ago.  The Crusades - more bad fruit.  The Roman Catholic church is just the Roman Empire in disguise, in my opinion.

What did Paul say about 'forbidding people to marry' and other doctrines of demons?  You questioned my comparison of the Roman Catholic church to Mystery Babylon.....let me list a few of the characteristics of CULTS and you let me know if any of these sound familiar.  I was in a 'cult' for almost 10 years.....I know how they operate.  And "CULTS" are not defined by WHAT they believe necessarily, they are defined by HOW they operate.

CHARACTERISTICS of CULTS

1. There is 1 ALL KNOWING LEADER whose authority is NEVER to be questioned.  EVER

2. They and they alone are the 'chosen' ones, they have the 'answers' and no one else.  This naturally
     leads to the exclusivity of belief, the them vs us mentality.

3. All adherents must do specific things, in specific ways to be worthy of being chosen or worthy of Heaven
   and they are inclusive  to that belief system. (Scientology's "auditing',  praying so many times a day, etc.)

4. Repetition of phrases, mantras, actions (flagellation, etc)  This is especially key because this is done to
    trigger the unconscious mind to retain these things.

5. Isolation/Replacement relationships/Control of Information
      - They tell you what to read, who involve yourself with, etc.
       Of course in the middle ages, the common man was not allowed to read scripture, if he could read.
        That was solely given to the priests, who then TOLD you what scripture said.         

6. Confession - This is one of the big ones - You must reveal your innermost   thoughts/desires/failings to   
     someone else for accountability and 'forgiveness'.  In reality, this creates a dependency relationship to
     this other person, which gives them a form of psychological control over you.  (Bonesmen have to lay
     naked in a coffin and confess their darkest sexual secrets to the group in initiation rituals)

7. Financial - nuff said. 

8. Their own vocabulary - specific terms within that belief system that are used in communication with each
     other.

There are others as well, such as sleep/food deprivation, etc.   All of these can also be found in many variations of "CHRISTIAN" cults, as well as Hari Krisnas, Moonies, etc.

The difference between the above, and faith in Yeshua the Christ, is that all of the above are things you DO, or must DO to 'belong'.  True Christianity requires only 1 thing - faith in the sacrificial atonement of Jesus of Nazareth.    Not 'ritual' prayers, or confession, or asking someone else for 'forgiveness of sins'...

There is just one mediator between G-D and man, and that is Yeshua Ha'Maschiah, Jesus the Messiah.


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« Reply #212 on: February 28, 2017, 12:06:04 AM »
Bumping for reality check.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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« Reply #213 on: February 28, 2017, 04:12:35 PM »
And you shall know them by their 'fruits'.   A bad tree does not produce good fruit, and a good tree does not produce bad fruit.

I'm sorry, but the Roman Catholic church has been producing bad fruit for centuries upon centuries.  The pedophile scandals in the past 20 or so years is just the bad fruit becoming recently known.  The Inquisition was horrific bad fruit, and that was hundreds of years ago.  The Crusades - more bad fruit.  The Roman Catholic church is just the Roman Empire in disguise, in my opinion.

What did Paul say about 'forbidding people to marry' and other doctrines of demons?  You questioned my comparison of the Roman Catholic church to Mystery Babylon.....let me list a few of the characteristics of CULTS and you let me know if any of these sound familiar.  I was in a 'cult' for almost 10 years.....I know how they operate.  And "CULTS" are not defined by WHAT they believe necessarily, they are defined by HOW they operate.

CHARACTERISTICS of CULTS

1. There is 1 ALL KNOWING LEADER whose authority is NEVER to be questioned.  EVER

2. They and they alone are the 'chosen' ones, they have the 'answers' and no one else.  This naturally
     leads to the exclusivity of belief, the them vs us mentality.

3. All adherents must do specific things, in specific ways to be worthy of being chosen or worthy of Heaven
   and they are inclusive  to that belief system. (Scientology's "auditing',  praying so many times a day, etc.)

4. Repetition of phrases, mantras, actions (flagellation, etc)  This is especially key because this is done to
    trigger the unconscious mind to retain these things.

5. Isolation/Replacement relationships/Control of Information
      - They tell you what to read, who involve yourself with, etc.
       Of course in the middle ages, the common man was not allowed to read scripture, if he could read.
        That was solely given to the priests, who then TOLD you what scripture said.         

6. Confession - This is one of the big ones - You must reveal your innermost   thoughts/desires/failings to   
     someone else for accountability and 'forgiveness'.  In reality, this creates a dependency relationship to
     this other person, which gives them a form of psychological control over you.  (Bonesmen have to lay
     naked in a coffin and confess their darkest sexual secrets to the group in initiation rituals)

7. Financial - nuff said. 

8. Their own vocabulary - specific terms within that belief system that are used in communication with each
     other.

There are others as well, such as sleep/food deprivation, etc.   All of these can also be found in many variations of "CHRISTIAN" cults, as well as Hari Krisnas, Moonies, etc.

The difference between the above, and faith in Yeshua the Christ, is that all of the above are things you DO, or must DO to 'belong'.  True Christianity requires only 1 thing - faith in the sacrificial atonement of Jesus of Nazareth.    Not 'ritual' prayers, or confession, or asking someone else for 'forgiveness of sins'...

There is just one mediator between G-D and man, and that is Yeshua Ha'Maschiah, Jesus the Messiah.
you don't know what you are talking about and will unfortunately burn in hell with all the other lazy so called Christians.  I just finished teaching you the Church that is called Catholic today is not Catholic...so obviously their fruits are bad..the crusades were a natural response to the attack on the church from crypto jews, muslims etc....confession to a priest  is biblical..if you care to debate me just respond

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« Reply #214 on: February 28, 2017, 05:28:38 PM »
will unfortunately burn in hell with all the other lazy so called Christians. 

Stop that.
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth." Romans 14:4a


If they hold to the doctrine of Christ? 
"He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" 2 John 1b



Is the doctrine of Christ a denomination? Or is it "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."?  Mark 16:15-16

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« Reply #215 on: February 28, 2017, 06:32:30 PM »
Stop that.
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth." Romans 14:4a


If they hold to the doctrine of Christ? 
"He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" 2 John 1b



Is the doctrine of Christ a denomination? Or is it "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."?  Mark 16:15-16
stop what? telling the truth?
I am merely repeating what the Church of Christ has already declared...I understand you don't believe in the Catholic Church..but seeing that I am a true Catholic would I not be hypocritical if I didn't profess the same belief?
The Church of today teaches the exact opposite..that non catholics should not be converted, they can be saved , they celebrate the satanic heretic from hell Luther etc...

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”

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« Reply #216 on: February 28, 2017, 06:33:06 PM »
Stop that.
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth." Romans 14:4a


If they hold to the doctrine of Christ? 
"He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" 2 John 1b



Is the doctrine of Christ a denomination? Or is it "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."?  Mark 16:15-16

To us all,

As Christians we have a problem folks. The influences of the man of sin, the son of perdition, is in the Temple of God.

In case anyone is confused about what that Temple is, the Apostle Paul spells it out clearly in Ephesians 2



That is the Temple of God. It is the Church, it is the Bride, it is the body of Christ. And it does not have a denomination label on it. It is the Household of God.


We can see that influence by all the divisions of men, the dividing doctrines of men. People thinking a denomination is part of the plan of salvation, or people thinking acting like an old race is part of the plan of salvation. and so much more silly useless garbage that requires the works of men.

You are saved by Grace.

It is about Jesus Christ.
It is about Christ Crucified.

If your faith does not begin & end in Jesus Christ.
If it is not all about Jesus Christ & something else has been added, then you are in error & need to judge your doctrine by the scriptures because you are being influenced by the man of sin.

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« Reply #217 on: March 05, 2017, 05:14:20 AM »
To us all,

As Christians we have a problem folks. The influences of the man of sin, the son of perdition, is in the Temple of God.

In case anyone is confused about what that Temple is, the Apostle Paul spells it out clearly in Ephesians 2



That is the Temple of God. It is the Church, it is the Bride, it is the body of Christ. And it does not have a denomination label on it. It is the Household of God.


We can see that influence by all the divisions of men, the dividing doctrines of men. People thinking a denomination is part of the plan of salvation, or people thinking acting like an old race is part of the plan of salvation. and so much more silly useless garbage that requires the works of men.

You are saved by Grace.

It is about Jesus Christ.
It is about Christ Crucified.

If your faith does not begin & end in Jesus Christ.
If it is not all about Jesus Christ & something else has been added, then you are in error & need to judge your doctrine by the scriptures because you are being influenced by the man of sin.
How much more confirmation do you need!? If the "pope" Francis is the Man of Sin sitting in the Temple of God -- that proves Catholic churches are the temples of God!
The choice is simple: either God or the world.

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« Reply #218 on: March 05, 2017, 09:00:35 PM »
To us all,

As Christians we have a problem folks. The influences of the man of sin, the son of perdition, is in the Temple of God.

In case anyone is confused about what that Temple is, the Apostle Paul spells it out clearly in Ephesians 2




That is the Temple of God. It is the Church, it is the Bride, it is the body of Christ. And it does not have a denomination label on it. It is the Household of God.


We can see that influence by all the divisions of men, the dividing doctrines of men. People thinking a denomination is part of the plan of salvation, or people thinking acting like an old race is part of the plan of salvation. and so much more silly useless garbage that requires the works of men.

You are saved by Grace.

It is about Jesus Christ.
It is about Christ Crucified.

If your faith does not begin & end in Jesus Christ.
If it is not all about Jesus Christ & something else has been added, then you are in error & need to judge your doctrine by the scriptures because you are being influenced by the man of sin.
How much more confirmation do you need!? If the "pope" Francis is the Man of Sin sitting in the Temple of God -- that proves Catholic churches are the temples of God!

I did not say one word about a pope. My indictment above calls out every doctrine error in every denomination. There are plenty "men of sin" in every denomination deceiving the children of God. At this late date all it proves is that we are witnessing the great falling away as foretold by those scriptures.


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« Reply #219 on: March 06, 2017, 08:26:15 PM »
How much more confirmation do you need!? If the "pope" Francis is the Man of Sin sitting in the Temple of God -- that proves Catholic churches are the temples of God!


I did not say one word about a pope. My indictment above calls out every doctrine error in every denomination. There are plenty "men of sin" in every denomination deceiving the children of God. At this late date all it proves is that we are witnessing the great falling away as foretold by those scriptures.



you write" My indictment above calls out every doctrine error in every denomination"
are you saying there is not 1 true denomination, Christ did not leave us with 1 truth.....the truth is the Catholic faith is he only true Christian faith..all the others have bits of truth mixed with lies from Satan

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« Reply #220 on: March 06, 2017, 10:32:46 PM »
you write" My indictment above calls out every doctrine error in every denomination"
are you saying there is not 1 true denomination, Christ did not leave us with 1 truth.....the truth is the Catholic faith is he only true Christian faith..all the others have bits of truth mixed with lies from Satan

As I said above. At this late date.


The truth is in the Word of God.


Now, if the "the truth is the Catholic faith" why do you protest it?


Sedevacantist really confuse me. Catholics to the core till Vatican 2 then Protestants all of a sudden. If it is "the truth" why is it not the truth now?


The true Answer is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Truth.

A denomination is can only be a witness to that Truth.

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« Reply #221 on: March 07, 2017, 03:32:26 PM »
As I said above. At this late date.


The truth is in the Word of God.


Now, if the "the truth is the Catholic faith" why do you protest it?


Sedevacantist really confuse me. Catholics to the core till Vatican 2 then Protestants all of a sudden. If it is "the truth" why is it not the truth now?


The true Answer is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Truth.

A denomination is can only be a witness to that Truth.
I have never protested the Catholic faith, I reject the Vatican 2 sect which calls itself catholic but doesn't have the Catholic faith.

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #222 on: March 19, 2017, 02:18:05 AM »
So, do u believe that the inquisition is justified by the Catholic" faith? That was well before Vatican 2. And that "forbidding men to marry" is not a doctrine of demons as scripture says it is? And that "it is given for man to die once, then face judgement", as scripture also says? And that there is one mediator between G-D and man, and that is Christ Jesus, as scripture says as well?

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #223 on: March 19, 2017, 12:23:49 PM »
So, do u believe that the inquisition is justified by the Catholic" faith? That was well before Vatican 2. And that "forbidding men to marry" is not a doctrine of demons as scripture says it is? And that "it is given for man to die once, then face judgement", as scripture also says? And that there is one mediator between G-D and man, and that is Christ Jesus, as scripture says as well?

you clearly don't know your bible

    1 Corinthians, Chap. 7- “Now concerning the thing whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.  But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband… But I speak this by indulgence, not by commandment.  For I would that all men were even as myself [unmarried]: but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I…

    But if any man think that he seemeth dishonoured, with regard to his virgin, for that she is above the age, and it must so be: let him do what he will; he sinneth not, if she marry.  For he that hath determined being steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but having power of his own will; and hath judged this in his heart, to keep his virgin, doth well.  Therefore, both he that giveth his virgin in marriage, doth well; and he that giveth her not, doth better.”

We see that St. Paul clearly identifies the state of virginity or celibacy as a state that is better than the state of marriage.  We also see this in the words of Jesus Himself:

    Matthew 19: 11-12- “[Jesus] said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given.  For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.”

Jesus is clearly speaking here of those who live singly and chastely for the sake of the kingdom of God.  As the Catholic commentary in the Douay Rheims Bible notes about this verse: “There are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs, for the kingdom of heaven… This text is not to be taken in the literal sense; but means, that there are such, who have taken a firm and commendable resolution of leading a single and chaste life, in order to serve God in a more perfect state than those who marry: as St. Paul clearly shows. 1 Cor. 7. 37, 38.”

This biblical truth, which is rejected by the Protestants, was taught repeatedly by the fathers of the Church – that is, those prominent Christian writers of the earliest centuries who repeated the truths learned from the apostles.  Here are two of numerous examples that could be given.

    St. John Chrysostom, A.D. 392: “That virginity is good I do agree.  But that it is even better than marriage, this I do confess.  And if you wish, I will add that it is as much better than marriage as Heaven is better than Earth, as much better as angels are better than men.” (The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 2: 1116)

    St. Cyril of Jerusalem, A.D. 350: “While you maintain perfect chastity, do not be puffed up in vain conceit against those who walk a humbler path in matrimony…. Because you have a possession of gold, do not on that account hold the silver in contempt.” (The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 1: 818c)

The point of this Heresy of the Week is to show, once again, that no matter what issue you want to turn to – whether it’s the Papacy (Mt. 16:18-20; Jn. 21:15-17) or the Eucharist (Jn. 6:54) or Confession (Jn. 20:23) or the necessity of Baptism (Jn. 3:5) or the necessity of faith with works (James 2:24) or celibacy (Mt. 19:11; 1 Cor. 7) or something else –  it’s the Catholic Church which has the true Biblical teaching and the Protestants who do not.

if you admit your error then I'll respond to  your other misunderstandings
you would first have to explain how you think Catholic doctrine (which you clearly know little of) contradicts ..."And that "it is given for man to die once, then face judgment"

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #224 on: March 19, 2017, 01:04:27 PM »
David MTL you are true Catholic. She ask you one thing and you answer other thing.  8)

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #225 on: March 19, 2017, 07:17:58 PM »
David MTL you are true Catholic. She ask you one thing and you answer other thing.  8)
I answered her nonsensical comment "And that "forbidding men to marry" is not a doctrine of demons as scripture says it is?
..but you are right..I am a true Catholic..thank you

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Re: Catholicism
« Reply #226 on: March 22, 2017, 02:25:13 PM »
David MTL you are true Catholic. She ask you one thing and you answer other thing.  8)

LOL  8)