The young MP in Croatia - I. Pernar left the Catholic Church.
For those who do not know and are interested in them, I'm not a Catholic, I dropped out of the Catholic church because I do not agree with its religious teaching or political messages.
For example, I do not believe in prohibition of marriage for priests, purgatory, the correctness of adoration before the statues, the infallibility of the Pope, that the priests can forgive sins, there's a lot of things, this is the most basic.
However, regardless of religious dissent, he would (as a political representative) to celebrate Christmas Eve and Christmas Day in the Catholic Church that they are licked by ruling Croatian Democratic Union ( HDZ ) and that they called me.
You're not alone Al, I think it would be easy enough to say that a lot of Catholics do not agree with the church, yet still follow; I think it would be fair enough to spin this thread to an actual discussion instead of what ever the op was ranting on. Things that people want to either disagree together on and not be hammered by the church militants that can be found on other catholic forums, which i will be glad to post links to other catholic forums if anyone wants to get into a real pissing debate for the hell of it.
Common sense leads us a very long way in life, and some where along the line the Church morphed into a monarchy , the hypocrisy is so blatant now that history is repeating it self in the church with the roles of the ancient Sadducees, while the modern ones in the Vatican do not hold to the practices of the ancient Sadducees they do fit the bill of being the new aristocrats that the Sadducess were.and the Pharisees being the rest of us, the common man the common priest. who are now under the rule of the Sadducees, if one is trying to live by the Church. Purgatory is a pisser for me as a Catholic, one that I can only hope doesn't actually exist , but I pray for those souls who might be in purgatory just incase it is real, dunno if that makes me a hypocrite, but i know if i end up there, i would be hoping someone would be praying for me as well.
The plethora of issues that society has , in regards to priests marrying, and there being female priests, in regards to Church teaching is a closed and locked door that has cement poured on in front of it, wrapped in barbwire, surrounded with land mines , guarded by terminators who ride dinosaurs . For the rest of us in the real world, it is a little hard to fathom that God would really lose it over married priests, or female priests. An I would venture a guess that the most reasonable answer is that the Church does not want to lose the male dominance that it has in power. Now the religious answer is obviously different and the answer that church has to me is really nothing more than rationalization for a behavior.
The discussion in other forums goes as far as who as a catholic should even be allowed to interpret scripture. Meaning that if you want to read and pray the bible fine, but if you think you can try to interpret the bible and then give that opinion to someone else who might be questioning the faith on any level be it inquisitive or wanting to join, then an entire new discussion takes place as in, is said person a theologian , a priest, a religious education teacher ? So then their is this undertone on these other forums that the average lay person is either not worthy or uneducated to actually warrant being recognized as having valid interpretations of scripture. BUT these same catholics on these other forums, NEVER go out of their way to target complaints towards other christians who are not catholic who are preaching on other christian tv stations across the globe.
Though i find the difference stops in real life, i find that actual catholics in the church are friendly enough to talk to and have a discussion with, but of course it depends ( although it shouldnt ) it depends on the area one is in, rich/ poor, middle class.
Anyhow if this thread takes off more and becomes interesting and doesnt revert back to what the op started i might be inclined to share some of experiences I had as a Benedictine monk for the short 6 months i was there, Tech speaking i was a Novice, but to those not familiar with the ranking system and the length of time it takes to become an actual monk, it is easier to just that one was a monk, or rather i could have said i lived in a monastery for 6 mnths.
So not only do Catholics leave the church, but men also decide to leave Monasteries as well.