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Offline larsonstdoc

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« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2015, 01:04:13 PM »
That is exactly what worries me.
Actually important stories are getting ignored.


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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2015, 01:05:56 PM »
That is exactly what worries me.
Actually important stories are get ignored.

Recently I posted a story that got almost zero interest from not only the forum, but it was so, so important that I e-mailed it to Paul Watson from two different e-mail accounts to make sure it got through.

As for the forum, too many people log on expecting other people to post the stories, but they can not be bothered to post new stories - but what is truly unforgivable is the people who can not be bothered to post even a one or two word reply. Sure not everyone can think of a game changing important comment to reply with, but simply posting "thanks for that", or just a smile :) -- is that really asking too much ?

Now obviously with the post count and log on time of the people on this thread - I am not having a go at you - But the so called "Guests" and "Zero Post Members" are really getting on my nerves.

There are a lot of other things wrong with the forum, that are not easy to fix. But the one thing that could be fixed, today, is the lazy buggers who can not be bothered to post.

As for organising the forum I have done my best, and it is an on going project. But I am rather fed up with it, so its probably best that I don't open up on that topic. Besides which there are no right or wrong answers and the real problems are with the forum software was never designed to cope with the sheer size of this place.


I think you are doing an excellent job and I think members, as things go on, will slowly but surely come back to this forum.  I've been on plenty other forums and there is no REAL Truth-telling going on--here, there is.

It is very easy for important stories to get buried so lets try and keep vigilant and "bump" them.
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« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2015, 01:42:40 PM »
I've seen growth in this forum. I've seen an ability to question the news stories that we're fed and an ability to come up with individual conclusions.

Since love of deceit is at at all-time high, I've seen a healthy resistance to and recognition of classic attempts to control or shape public opinion. Citizen-journalists and analysts that get paid nothing for hours of effort have flourished.

The term “false flag” is now commonly recognized along with recognition of staged events designed to either agitate or pacify- or even events that never actually occurred. Such recognition has defeated the lies. People have gotten so good at this that an event is now picked apart for what it is within hours of reportage. And some individuals have gone forward to take on stonewalls through active inquiry and even the legal system.

I've seen people inspired to take on previously delegated parental responsibilities.

In many ways, the quality of analysis and information here has improved by leaps and bounds.

Oh, as far as SNAP goes, they won't get rid of it because it's leverage over a portion of America. But I'm glad that people are seeing through presented political impressions to recognize govcorp motives that haven't really changed over the years.
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2015, 02:08:19 PM »


… very often, because my time is so limited, I will just check out
"Show new replies to your posts" and make some new posts/quips
if I have time. If time permits I will check out "Unread posts" …
when there are so many new posts … perhaps with just a headline
of a published story … I have to move on … no time! AND … I may
have already seen the headline elsewhere.

As for relative 'importance' of the story or thread … I see a lot of
the subjects we tackle as being different facets of the same BIG story ...

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Let it loose; it will defend itself."

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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2015, 02:42:37 PM »


… anybody else find this surprising and shocking?

Approx. Yearly Funding:

SNAP: $74.2 billion
Planned Parenthood: $528.4 million

Democrats would rather Defund
Food Stamps than Planned Parenthood

By: Jake   September 28th, 2015

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There are many reasons to discuss reforming or eliminating SNAP at the federal level, but the point here is that the Democrats are more than willing to sacrifice one of their favorite sacred cows to protect seemingly the greatest sacred cow of them all: abortion."

http://www.redstate.com/2015/09/28/democrats-rather-defund-food-stamps-planned-parenthood/
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« Reply #85 on: September 28, 2015, 02:49:45 PM »
One thing I would encourage people to do, is to find a nice graphic that breaks down the Federal Budget.
Many of these political topics rely on people just reacting, without any knowledge of the facts and figures.

Nearly every political issue has been extensively researched world wide, but all political parties think they work to a higher truth than pesky things like the mathematical truth.

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« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2015, 02:51:17 PM »
As for relative 'importance' of the story or thread … I see a lot of
the subjects we tackle as being different facets of the same BIG story ...

And the big story eventually becomes his-tory. Information warfare has a lot to do with how this turns out. There really is a lot at stake for future generations.

Why let the media put the story in a box when we have instant access to possible first-hand info?

Don't believe everything you read on the internetz.

But don't disbelieve it all either.

I still run into people that think NPR  and FOX are trusted, truthful sources of information. And I can understand why if they have a busy schedule. But as more people become unemployed, more people have time to actually look deeper into topics. And when they find compelling evidence that nullifies official narratives, they become infowarriors.
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #87 on: September 28, 2015, 03:28:16 PM »
Evading Grid, as much as I want to be posting news stories
and financials on the forum, I've been absolutely swamped.
I call it "Crazy Busy" and at times it stresses me out but I'm
managing all the pressing projects and time deadlines.  It's
gotten to below freezing here for over a week and that messed
up my schedule as I had to drop certain projects and get outside
to wrap things up for winter coming.  Some days I get maybe
20 minutes to check email, reply and quick scan the forum here
but I'm hoping once I get all these things done, I can get back to
my schedule that allows more seat time at the computer. 

The zero post members are called  "Guests with privileges" on
forums, they log in and can see and do things regular lurkers can't.
Some forums delete all those zero post members a few times a year
to clean up the data base. 

I hope my absence on the forum hasn't been mistrued as I've lost
interest, just the opposite ,  some of the things I'm needing to and
getting done lately are really time consuming outside.  And all day I
look at this big orange tractor here and I can't touch it...  if they weren't
so expensive I'd buy one just for me, my  tractor..... so if I broke it
strong arming it, pushing it to scoop more rock in the bucket of it,
my husband couldn't bitch me out for breaking "HIS TRACTOR"  LOL 

And...I've been bookmarking articles to post here later....

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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #88 on: September 28, 2015, 03:59:37 PM »
I think he was trying to show how the Constitution followed suit by having direct taxes but it has now somehow been morphed in to indirect taxes. I think he was also trying to show precedent as to why direct taxes were instituted.

Actually all I was trying to show is that, according to Austrian School logic, many of the Founding Fathers (in whose memory Austrians so love to wrap themselves) were freedom-hating "Marxists," even though Marx hadn't even been born yet.

     http://savingcommunities.org/foundersplan/whyfounders.html

Listening to label-obsessed ideologues equate Georgism with Marxism is like listening to someone claim that horses and cats are the same species merely because both have four legs and a tail.

There's just no reasoning with some people.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #89 on: September 28, 2015, 09:37:25 PM »
Actually all I was trying to show is that, according to Austrian School logic, many of the Founding Fathers (in whose memory Austrians so love to wrap themselves) were freedom-hating "Marxists," even though Marx hadn't even been born yet.

     http://savingcommunities.org/foundersplan/whyfounders.html

Listening to label-obsessed ideologues equate Georgism with Marxism is like listening to someone claim that horses and cats are the same species merely because both have four legs and a tail.

There's just no reasoning with some people.

Look Geo, you've probably forgot more about economics than I'll ever know. And it's not that I'm being lazy, it's just reading about economics makes my head hurt. So if you don't mind can you give me the cliff notes?  :)

Do you or dont you want a single tax on land?
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« Reply #90 on: September 28, 2015, 10:13:50 PM »
  I use to think we had a great forum here.  Not so anymore.

  I get most of my info from other forums and of course Drudge and Rense.

  It use to be that stories were posted here VERY SOON AFTER THEY HAPPENED.  Not so anymore.

  I can't waste my time posting stories and then have no comments on major stories.

  THIS MORNING THERE ARE TWO MAJOR STORIES AND NO ONE HAS POSTED THEM.

  Prison Planet Forum HAS BECOME IRRELEVANT.  YOU MUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO POST STORIES WHEN THEY HAPPEN.

  This forum was severely weakened when we split up stories into other sections. 

  That's the way I see it.

Doc, I was going to make a similar post, you beat me to the punch but I still must make it. It is still think it's a great forum, with great people. Thats all I will say for now, as I must search for and find all the correct words I want to use. I know that we have enough diversity here but also share one common, unifying, unrelenting goal.

If I got under anyone's skin I'd like to apologize now, know that I am truly sorry and I had another reason for posting in the manner that may have gotten under skin, I will explain later. Please except this apology, this way when I make the post I can do it with a clean slate and people can read it without bias against me.
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #91 on: September 29, 2015, 12:32:39 AM »
pac522, I've never seen / read / anything you've posted to
be inflammatory or divisive.   As far as anyone having bias
towards you, I just don't see that. 

decemberfellow, well put, the link to the thread about obamma
coming after Alex and www.infowars.com

Evading Grid,  though the forum software has a few bugs, it's
still exceptionally well running and fast most times and remember
I'm on dial up and can barely navigate  webpages anymore because
of website's coding.  The only upgrade I'd like to see on the forum
is a few emoticons to express our disgust, anger and hatred towards
the NWO and the disgusting entities that support it.  Like maybe a
pissed off emoticon flipping the bird would be good as a reply sometimes LOL.



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« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2015, 10:33:31 AM »
Do you or dont you want a single tax on land?

Of course I do, although it's far more accurate to say a single tax on the publicly-generated location value of land. (A tax on land itself is a tax on acreage, which I oppose, as did George.)

What's interesting is that two of the most influential conservatives of the 20th century -- Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, Jr. -- were both far more friendly towards Henry George's ideas than was (or is) the average Keynesian:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7Jb58hcsc (Friedman)

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRnTesZNH_g (Buckley)
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« Reply #93 on: September 29, 2015, 11:22:24 AM »
Of course I do, although it's far more accurate to say a single tax on the publicly-generated location value of land. (A tax on land itself is a tax on acreage, which I oppose, as did George.)

What's interesting is that two of the most influential conservatives of the 20th century -- Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, Jr. -- were both far more friendly towards Henry George's ideas than was (or is) the average Keynesian:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7Jb58hcsc (Friedman)

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRnTesZNH_g (Buckley)

Many people want a slice of land to call their own, so when they first read the Georgist Position of a Land Tax, the initial reaction is not positive.

But wait a minute, before you can get your dream slice of land, to have a few chickens and grow your own tomatoes etc... Somebody else has to sell you that land, at a price you can afford. If we look into land ownership, and land use, most people will find it a best an uphill struggle. For many its just simply impossible.

The facts are a tiny minority of people own the vast majority of land, and large chunks of it are sitting idle. In Britain at least 70% of the land is owned by less than 1% of the population, and if you think your country is some how different think again.

A Land Tax would make the ownership of such ridiculously large chunks of land an economic liability. Over night being a Robber Baron Land Owner would cease to be Tax Avoiding good life, as nobody likes paying Taxes, so immediately that land would be put on the market. Such a tsunami of Land available over night would send the price through the floor.

That dream of a small holding, with a few chickens some fruit trees and the good life would cease to be a utopian dream, and become a sensible economic proposition.


Many on the forum have been sold some fake utopian shite about property rights, but these property rights have only ever protected the very same Elite that we are supposed to be fighting against. property rights have never ever been for "we the people" just open a History Book and get some stats on Land Ownership.


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« Reply #94 on: September 29, 2015, 11:43:32 AM »
Quote
Samuel Adams
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“The Utopian schemes of re-distribution of the wealth...are as
visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in
the Crown.”
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“Now what liberty can there be where property is taken without
consent?”
xli
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“In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the
power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into
society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the
means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil
government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the
support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the
principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and
P r o p e r t y.”
xlii

“The supreme power cannot justly take from any man any
part of his property, without his consent in person or by his
representative.”
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“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a
right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together
with the right to support and defend them in the best manner
they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions
from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first
law of nature.”
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“The security of right and property, is the great end of
government.”
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“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize
Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press,  or the rights
of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States,
who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to
raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the
United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent
the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner,
the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject
the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their
persons, papers or possessions.”
xlvi
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“If our Trade be taxed, why not our Lands, or Produce in
short, everything we possess? They tax us without having legal
representation.”
xlv
i

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« Reply #95 on: September 29, 2015, 11:53:40 AM »
Should the Robber Baron's be allowed to keep all their Land, and their Wealth ?

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« Reply #96 on: September 29, 2015, 12:03:36 PM »
To whose whose minds are not already hopelessly trapped in the microscopic-sized intellectual prison that is the ridiculously false Marxist-versus-anarcho-capitalist paradigm, consider this simple question: since to "be" is, by definition, to be "somewhere" (i.e. to occupy a naturally occurring geographic position on the Earth on which all human beings must live yet which none produced) -- and since land, by definition, is fixed in both supply and location -- does it logically follow that the equal right to one (life) necessarily implies an equal right to the other (access to land)?

If so, then how can the equal right of access to land (and hence to life itself) be upheld for everyone if a mere subset of the population is allowed to assert exclusive "ownership" of the entire planet?

Keep that question in mind while reading the following:

http://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/royallib.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/biggest-private-landowners-2013-10

http://www.whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/largest-landowner/


"When men have equal rights to a thing, as for instance, to the rooms and appurtenances of a club of which they are members, each has a right to use all or any part of the thing that no other one of them is using. It is only where there is use or some indication of use by one of the others that even politeness dictates such a phrase as 'Allow me!' or 'If you please!'

"But where men have joint rights to a thing, as for instance, to a sum of money held to their joint credit, then the consent of all the others is required for the use of the thing or of any part of it, by any one of them.

"Now, the rights of men to the use of land are not joint rights; they are equal rights.

"Were there only one man on earth, he would have a right to the use of the whole earth or any part of the earth.

"When there is more than one man on earth, the right to the use of land that any one of them would have, were he alone, is not abrogated: it is only limited. The right of each to the use of land is still a direct, original right, which he holds of himself, and not by the gift or consent of the others; but it has become limited by the similar rights of the others, and is therefore an equal right. His right to the use of the earth still continues; but it has become, by reason of this limitation, not an absolute right to use any part of the earth, but (1) an absolute right to use any part of the earth as to which his use does not conflict with the equal rights of others (i.e., which no one else wants to use at the same time), and (2) a coequal right to the use of any part of the earth which he and others may want to use at the same time.

"It is, thus, only where two or more men want to use the same land at the same time that equal rights to the use of land come in conflict, and the adjustment of society becomes necessary.

"If we keep this idea of equal rights in mind--the idea, namely, that the rights are the first thing, and the equality merely their limitation--we shall have no difficulty. It is through forgetting this that Mr. [Herbert] Spencer has been led into confusion."

-- Henry George, A Perplexed Philosopher, pp. 27-28


"Men must have rights before they can have equal rights. Each man has a right to use the world....The equality of this right is merely a limitation arising from the presence of others with like rights. Society, in other words, does not grant, and cannot equitably withhold from any individual, the right to the use of land. That right exists before society and independently of society, belonging at birth to each individual, and ceasing only with his death. Society itself has no original right to the use of land....The function of society with regard to the use of land only begins where individual rights clash, and is to secure equality between these clashing rights of individuals."

-- Henry George, A Perplexed Philosopher, p. 30


"The dry superficial area of the earth being the only medium through which external nature becomes accessible to man; being not merely his only foothold and resting-place, but also the means through which he obtains access to all the matter which he, through the exercise of his faculties, changes into objects fit to satisfy his desires and maintain his life,--it follows that freedom to use the earth is the indispensable condition for the exercise of man's faculties and the maintenance of his life. Hence the right to the use of the earth is a natural right, the denial of which involves the denial of the right to the exercise of any faculty, that is, the denial of the right to live.

"The right of any one to the exercise of his faculties being limited only by the equal right of every one else, the exercise of any faculty being dependent upon the use of the earth, it follows that the right of any one to use the earth is limited only by the equal right of every one else. The natural right to the use of the earth, therefore, is an equal right, inherent in all. If there were only one man upon this earth he would obviously be free to use the whole earth; the right of any second man to do the like must be equal to that of the former. Nor can further multiplication bring about any change in this relation. Of all the millions inhabiting the earth to-day, each is free to use the whole earth or any part of it, provided he infringes not the equal right of any other man. And conversely, it is equally true that no one of them may so use the earth as to prevent any other from similarly using it. For to do so implies a claim to greater opportunities for the exercise of his faculties than others can enjoy....

"No arrangements made, even with the consent of all living men, can deprive any member of any future generation of his or her equal rights to the use of the earth. Likewise no arrangements made by past generations, even if all their members had consented to them, can deprive any one now living of his equal right. For every such arrangement, if enforced, would offend against the law of equal freedom, would deprive some of their right to an equal opportunity for the exercise of their faculties and the maintenance of their lives."

-- Max Hirsch, Democracy versus Socialism, pp. 228-9


"Place one hundred men on an island from which there is no escape, and whether you make one of these men the absolute owner of the other ninety-nine, or the absolute owner of the soil of the island, will make no difference either to him or to them.

"In the one case, as the other, the one will be the absolute master of the ninety-nine--his power extending even to life and death, for simply to refuse them permission to live upon the island would be to force them into the sea.

"Upon a larger scale, and through more complex relations, the same cause must operate in the same way and to the same end--the ultimate result, the enslavement of laborers, becoming apparent just as the pressure increases which compels them to live on and from land which is treated as the exclusive property of others. Take a country in which the soil is divided among a number of proprietors, instead of being in the hands of one, and in which, as in modern production, the capitalist has been specialized from the laborer, and manufacturers and exchange, in all their many branches, have been separated from agriculture. Though less direct and obvious, the relations between the owners of the soil and the laborers will, with the increase of population and the improvement of the arts, tend to the same absolute master on the one hand and the same abject helplessness on the other, as in the case of the island we have supposed. Rent will advance, while wages will fall."

-- Henry George, Progress and Poverty, pp. 347-8


"We do not propose to assert equal rights to land by keeping land common, letting any one use any part of it at any time. We do not propose the task, impossible in the present day of society, of dividing land in equal shares; still less the yet more impossible task of keeping it so divided.

"We propose--leaving land in the private possession of individuals, with full liberty on their part to give, sell or bequeath it--simply to levy on it for public uses a tax that shall equal the annual value of the land itself, irrespective of the use made of it or the improvements on it....We would accompany this tax on land values with the repeal of all taxes now levied on the products and processes of industry--which taxes, since they take from the earnings of labor, we hold to be infringements of the right of property."

-- Henry George, The Condition of Labor, p. 8
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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« Reply #97 on: September 29, 2015, 01:32:28 PM »
Should the Robber Baron's be allowed to keep all their Land, and their Wealth ?

Wot nobody dashing to defend their inalienable property rights from some Big Gubberment Socialist plot to steal their wealth and property ?

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« Reply #98 on: September 29, 2015, 01:46:18 PM »
Should the Robber Baron's be allowed to keep all their Land, and their Wealth ?

Those are the very same people who have ill-gotten gains off the backs of people and then propose socialism as a remedy to spread the wealth.


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Families. As long as Marriage exists, Knowledge, Property and
Influence will accumulate in Families.”
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it in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property, according
to standing laws. He is obliged, consequently, to contribute his
share to the expense of this protection; and to give his personal
service, or an equivalent, when necessary. But no part of the
property of any individual can, with justice, be taken from him,
or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or that of
the representative body of the people. In fine, the people of
this commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than
those to which their constitutional representative body have
given their consent.”
xxiv
• 
“Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only
of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an
indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered
to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I
could not surrender if I would.”
xxv
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“Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an
anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes
and no man’s life or property or reputation or liberty will be
secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a
system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual

abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the
wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty
of one or a very few.”
xxvi
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“Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.”
xxvii
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“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is
not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force
of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny
commence.”
xxviii
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“Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist.”
xxix
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“It is agreed that the end of all government is the good and
ease of the people in a secure enjoyment of their rights without
oppression.”
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #99 on: September 29, 2015, 01:55:42 PM »
Wot nobody dashing to defend their inalienable property rights from some Big Gubberment Socialist plot to steal their wealth and property ?

It's unalienable right.  “un-a-LEEN-a-ble”

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« Reply #100 on: September 29, 2015, 02:02:02 PM »
Those are the very same people who have ill-gotten gains off the backs of people and then propose socialism as a remedy to spread the wealth.


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True.

But the real question is, how about applying some socialism to redistributing there wealth and land ?
Because if we take a position of No, they get to keep everything and we loose.

See I don't get trapped by any political dogma, I see things on a case by case pragmatic basis. Political Parties and Ideologies get unstuck by applying a one size fits all simplistic viewpoint. All the parties can carefully phrase questions to prove there ideology, yet they can not all be right.

When we close our minds by following any particular ideology, we put on a pair of blinkers and that is when the problems start.

These parties only offer a limited view, and suffer from chronic cognitive dissonance when confronted.


Political Parties wield hammers and see everything as nails.

One thing that gets lost is that the founding fathers had many different viewpoints, but one thing they shared in common was pragmatism. And pragmatism is the enemy of all political parties.

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« Reply #101 on: September 29, 2015, 02:04:04 PM »
It's unalienable right.  “un-a-LEEN-a-ble”

“Unalienable” vs. “Inalienable”
https://adask.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/unalienable-vs-inalienable/


Make an entry in your Diary, I will concede that point, but not gracefully of course.
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« Reply #102 on: September 29, 2015, 03:00:46 PM »
True.

But the real question is, how about applying some socialism to redistributing there wealth and land ?

Because if we take a position of No, they get to keep everything and we loose.

See I don't get trapped by any political dogma, I see things on a case by case pragmatic basis. Political Parties and Ideologies get unstuck by applying a one size fits all simplistic viewpoint. All the parties can carefully phrase questions to prove there ideology, yet they can not all be right.

When we close our minds by following any particular ideology, we put on a pair of blinkers and that is when the problems start.

These parties only offer a limited view, and suffer from chronic cognitive dissonance when confronted.


Political Parties wield hammers and see everything as nails.

One thing that gets lost is that the founding fathers had many different viewpoints, but one thing they shared in common was pragmatism. And pragmatism is the enemy of all political parties.

I say we indict them from top to bottom for unconstitutional acts and go from there. 
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #103 on: September 29, 2015, 04:25:14 PM »
  I use to think we had a great forum here.  Not so anymore.

  I get most of my info from other forums and of course Drudge and Rense.

  It use to be that stories were posted here VERY SOON AFTER THEY HAPPENED.  Not so anymore.

  I can't waste my time posting stories and then have no comments on major stories.

  THIS MORNING THERE ARE TWO MAJOR STORIES AND NO ONE HAS POSTED THEM.

  Prison Planet Forum HAS BECOME IRRELEVANT.  YOU MUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO POST STORIES WHEN THEY HAPPEN.

  This forum was severely weakened when we split up stories into other sections. 

  That's the way I see it.

I agree about the myriad boards and sub-boards. Everything is so tidied away that it is effectively hidden away, although it is difficult to manage so many threads over time and there may not be a workable alternative to this.

There is also far fewer regular members that in previous times, and almost all of them are moderators AFAICS. I remember this forum when there was a vast number of members logged in at any one time..one wonders what happened to them. It is usually only a minority who post stories etc, but when there are so few regular posters, it's not a surprise that the stories and replies are not forthcoming.


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« Reply #104 on: September 29, 2015, 04:41:45 PM »
True.

But the real question is, how about applying some socialism to redistributing there wealth and land ?
Because if we take a position of No, they get to keep everything and we loose.

See I don't get trapped by any political dogma, I see things on a case by case pragmatic basis. Political Parties and Ideologies get unstuck by applying a one size fits all simplistic viewpoint. All the parties can carefully phrase questions to prove there ideology, yet they can not all be right.

When we close our minds by following any particular ideology, we put on a pair of blinkers and that is when the problems start.

These parties only offer a limited view, and suffer from chronic cognitive dissonance when confronted.


Political Parties wield hammers and see everything as nails.

One thing that gets lost is that the founding fathers had many different viewpoints, but one thing they shared in common was pragmatism. And pragmatism is the enemy of all political parties.

I agree about land reform; it is long overdue. It requires the entire ruling class to be somehow unseated, or at least a large section of the landed rich to fall foul of the ruling oligarchy or to be targeted by the ruling oligarchy. While the latter is sort-of what happened in Zimbabwe, the former scenario is structurally impossible without a revolution.

On a wider point, I am inclined to believe that it is the purpose of government to be socialist. After all, if government were not socialist and acting according to the interests of the many, then they must be acting in the interests of powerful minority factions. I suppose it is one of the great achievements of reactionary parties (both Dem and Rep in US) that they have convinced so many that they should accept and indeed vehemently defend their positions of effective serfdom, and expect corrupt interest-serving government to be the norm while not recognising it as such.


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« Reply #105 on: September 29, 2015, 05:35:16 PM »
stray85, please forgive my thread drift here but I must say this
to Qster...  I'm glad there are a lot of Moderators here on this
forum spread out amongst the forum categories and sub-forums,
one night in the very wee hours a troll shit all over the carpets here
and a Moderator wasn't online to clean it up.   Now chances of that
happening again have been minimized. 
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2015, 06:09:49 PM »
Doc, I was going to make a similar post, you beat me to the punch but I still must make it. It is still think it's a great forum, with great people. Thats all I will say for now, as I must search for and find all the correct words I want to use. I know that we have enough diversity here but also share one common, unifying, unrelenting goal.

If I got under anyone's skin I'd like to apologize now, know that I am truly sorry and I had another reason for posting in the manner that may have gotten under skin, I will explain later. Please except this apology, this way when I make the post I can do it with a clean slate and people can read it without bias against me.

  PAC, you do a great job.  No apologies needed.  It is concerning that a lot of the news of the day  does not get onto the forum.  We have really shot ourselves in the foot when we decided to spread all these topics into different areas.  I would like to see the big news stories placed at General Discussion and left there for a couple of weeks AND THEN PLACED IN ANOTHER AREA.  For instance, Trump unveiled his tax plan yesterday.  As far as I know, the story was not posted on the forum or it was placed in an obscure area.  If we put the Trump Tax Plan in General Discussion for a few weeks, people such as Geolibertarian could comment on the story.  Then, when the story runs out of gas, move it to 2016 Election.
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« Reply #107 on: September 29, 2015, 06:50:32 PM »
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Trump unveiled his tax plan yesterday.  As far as I know, the story was not posted on the forum or it was placed in an obscure area.
Was posted in trump 2016 not such a obscure area,  These last couple posts in here should be in general discussion as they have nothing to do with food stamps.
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« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2015, 09:13:44 PM »
It was posted in  Trump 2016 not such a obscure area,  These last couple posts in here should be in general discussion as they have nothing to do with food stamps.

  What are you drinking?  We are in General Discussion.

 
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« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2015, 10:08:48 PM »
Was posted in trump 2016 not such a obscure area,  These last couple posts in here should be in general discussion as they have nothing to do with food stamps.

I think this thread needs to stay as is for the time being. What this thread started as is a microcosm of some of the things that are wrong with this forum, what it has morphed in to is exactly what needs to happen in order for those that feel things need changing, opposed to those who who think things are just fine or don't need changing.

Let all who read this thread, and have something to contribute to the discussion over all, PLEASE DO SO.

I still have yet to make my opinion commentary.
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2015, 10:29:38 PM »
  PAC, you do a great job.  No apologies needed.  It is concerning that a lot of the news of the day  does not get onto the forum.  We have really shot ourselves in the foot when we decided to spread all these topics into different areas.  I would like to see the big news stories placed at General Discussion and left there for a couple of weeks AND THEN PLACED IN ANOTHER AREA.  For instance, Trump unveiled his tax plan yesterday.  As far as I know, the story was not posted on the forum or it was placed in an obscure area. If we put the Trump Tax Plan in General Discussion for a few weeks, people such as Geolibertarian could comment on the story.  Then, when the story runs out of gas, move it to 2016 Election.

… larsonstdoc … you missed it! Some discussion
on the DONALD TRUMP 2016 thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=269494.msg1556159#msg1556159
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #111 on: September 29, 2015, 11:23:12 PM »
… larsonstdoc … you missed it! Some discussion
on the DONALD TRUMP 2016 thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=269494.msg1556159#msg1556159

  Thank you Jackson Holly.

  This is the point I was trying to make.

  There are 2 places to put this Trump story.  One place is the Donald Trump 2016 thread of the Donald Trump section of the forum and the other place is the section on the 2016 Presidential Election.  This is quite confusing and you don't know where to post an article on Trump.  Anyway, it is nothing to lose sleep over.
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« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2015, 11:37:11 PM »
^^^

.. agreed.   :)

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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #113 on: September 30, 2015, 12:04:52 AM »
Was posted in trump 2016 not such a obscure area,  These last couple posts in here should be in general discussion as they have nothing to do with food stamps.

Yeah you are right my mistake I should of said this thread is about food stamps


  What are you drinking?  We are in General Discussion.


Anyways I see nothing wrong with this set up so far. Just my opinion

 
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« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2015, 12:14:36 AM »
larsonstdoc, I posted the article -

 Trump unveils tax plan that would lower taxes for millions

In the Financial Crisis of the forum last night. 

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=293805.0

And about Food Stamps, I see so much abuse it needs auditing.
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #115 on: September 30, 2015, 08:43:37 PM »
Massachusetts woman charged with almost $4 million in food stamp fraud

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Progressives will tell you that food stamp fraud is basically a problem that doesn’t exist. At best they’ll admit that, perhaps, there are a few instances where a store sells something to a customer that shouldn’t be covered by the SNAP program - but they’ll claim those minor transgressions are extremely isolated cases.  They’ll regale you with tales of the hard-working poor who hold down two jobs and receive welfare just to make ends meet.


 

 

They usually blame the plight of the less fortunate on capitalism and, if they’re feeling really saucy, they might throw in buzzwords like “one perenters” or “banksters.”

What they won’t do is acknowledge cases like that of Vida Ofori Causey - a Massachusetts woman who committed almost $4 million dollars’ worth of SNAP fraud.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/75695
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #116 on: September 30, 2015, 11:09:15 PM »
Massachusetts woman charged with almost $4 million in food stamp fraud

http://canadafreepress.com/article/75695

$4 million would feed a lot of hungry people in this country. Disgusting.
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« Reply #117 on: October 01, 2015, 05:12:18 AM »
people forget that thomas malthus was an economist

anyone know what he would say about foodstamps ?



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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #118 on: October 01, 2015, 09:39:24 AM »
people forget that thomas malthus was an economist

anyone know what he would say about foodstamps ?

"If they'd rather die they better do it now and decrease the surplus population.”
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Re: Foodstamp program (SNAP) suspended until further notice
« Reply #119 on: October 01, 2015, 09:39:29 AM »
$4 million would feed a lot of hungry people in this country. Disgusting.

The trillions extracted by bankers via usury and bailouts would feed a far greater number of people, yet far less moral outrage is directed at that than is directed the comparative crumbs spent on food stamps.

Equally disgusting.

And some would argue blatantly hypocritical, because in principle it amounts to straining at a figurative "gnat" while swallowing a "camel"

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