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Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us

by Austin Ruse 
12 Jun 2015


One of the speakers slated for the Vatican rollout of the long-awaited Papal document on climate change once said the earth is overpopulated by at least 6 billion people.

The teaching document, called an encyclical, is scheduled for release on June 18 at Vatican City. Perhaps with the exception of the 1968 encyclical on contraception, no Vatican document has been greeted with such anticipation.

The political left is hoping for a document that ties belief in global warming to a religious obligation. Climate skeptics have already started criticizing the document.

The choice of Professor John Schnellnhuber, founding director of the Postdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, as one of three presenters may be giving the left added hope and giving giving skeptics severe heartburn. He has been described as one of the more aggressive scientists on the question of man-made global warming.

In a talk given to what’s described as the “failed” 2009 Copenhagen climate conference, reported in the New York Times, Schnellnhuber, who has advised German President Angela Merkel and is a visiting professor at Oxford, said of global warming: “In a very cynical way, it’s a triumph for science because at last we have stabilized something –- namely the estimates for the carrying capacity of the planet, namely below 1 billion people.”

Schnellnhuber is also author of what’s called the “two-degree target” that says governments must not allow the temperature to rise more than 2 degrees higher than at the start of the industrial revolution. Any higher, the theory holds, and much life on earth would either perish or be gravely harmed.

To deal with climate issues, he has also called for an “Earth Constitution that would transcend the UN Charter” along with the creation of a “Global Council…elected by all the people on Earth” and a “Planetary Court..a transnational legal body open to appeals from everybody, especially with respect to violations of the Earth Constitution.”

Read more:  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/12/vatican-speaker-on-climate-thinks-there-are-6-billion-too-many-of-us/
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 11:12:31 AM »
Is the church going to teach contraception, and divorces next ?  :o

Being serious, an encyclical means any letter circulated by a bishop.
So, its a bit of a hoax.

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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 11:52:37 AM »
Is the church going to teach contraception, and divorces next ?  :o

Being serious, an encyclical means any letter circulated by a bishop.
So, its a bit of a hoax.

Well the Pope claims all Priest can forgive abortions now.   :o 
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2015, 01:48:05 PM »
Donnay,

RC priests have always had the decision making power to forgive
someone who sincerely is sorry for having an abortion.

They did not need the permission of the Pope to do this.

There are usually extenuating circumstances
that accompany the decision whether to abort a pregnancy
or carry the pregnancy to delivery date.
A  good priest takes these circumstances into consideration
when hearing one's confession.

As I have said before in other posts,
the responsibility for one's sinful actions
ultimately rest between one's conscience and God.

Trust me.
No young priest looks forward to having to be put into such a bind
as STRICTLY following the man-made laws of the Church,
versus following the forgiving nature of Jesus Christ.
They try to please  "both masters".

That is why many Catholics only discuss serious ethical dilemmas
in the confessional
with a priest who has entered the priesthood
after having practical life experience.

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after  he has accumulated years  of living life experience

Priests have the power to forgive any sin.

The problem I have with that thinking is, you are confessing to a man.  Christ died on the cross to forgive us of our sins as long as we repent through him--not man.


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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2015, 08:24:02 PM »
Well the Pope claims all Priest can forgive abortions now.   :o

I know that Christian Orthodox priest who has forgiven the sin of abortion, an elderly woman in Serbia.
To the priest, it was the duty of the commandment of God.
I do not know what the problem is when Christians confess your sins to priests. They did St. John the Baptist, later Lord Jesus Christ.

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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2015, 09:50:03 PM »
Yes Donnay,

I agree with you.

That is why I once posted that I am closer to being a Quaker
aka a  member of the Society of Friends,
than Roman Catholic.

Have you ever attended a Quaker service ?
It is quite fascinating in it's understanding  and practice of spirituality.

The members of the assembly sit in silence
until someone feels the Holy Spirit move them to speak.
That individual has spent time in silent contemplation,
until feeling a deep movement inside them
to speak up.
Then , the speaker sits and silence returns.
Perhaps 10 or 15 minutes later,
another person rises,
inspired by the Holy Spirit,
and says his or her realization.
Maybe 5 or so people speak during the hour service.
In retrospect,
a theme has emerged that unites the content of all the speakers.

When silence returns to the assembly,
and a great sense of peace is felt by all,
the "leader" for the month shakes hands
with the person next to him/her.
This signals that the service is over for that Sunday.

Then everyone bursts into conversation with each other
about any number of topics,
just as any assembly might do following the end of a more traditional church service.

Prior to this meditative service,
one can attend "First Day School",
if one chooses,
where there is singing of a few hymns,
and a speaker might address those attending
on a particular topic, eg Amnesty International's Work with prisoners of concience,
or Prison reform,
or the giving of a sermon.

Both of these 2 services take place in different rooms
at different times.

People are free to understand the nature of God
in their own chosen manner.
Many believe in Christ,
while others might follow native American spirituality,
or their own understanding of God as a Higher Power.

I have read the holy book of the Society of Friends
and it promotes the sense of social responsibility,
stewardship of land and inheirited money,
and responsibility for living a temperant lifestyle.
Quakers think in terms of living,
not just in the moment,
but also have a sense of responsibility for future generations.

Of course, this is my understanding of that faith journey.

In Pennsylvania, I often worshipped with my best friend,
who was a "convicted Quaker";
that is, she was born and  baptized a Lutheran,
and received the sacrament of Holy Communion,
but as an adult
her spiritual journey led her to the Society of Friends.

I have spent time studying various forms of worship,
from Judaism,
to fundamentalist Christianity,
and all the "flavours" of Protestantism in between.

I have attended services in the Church of England,
the Baptist Church,
the Methodists,
the Lutherans,
and even Wicca
and Spiritualism.

Because I choose to worship where previous generations of my family have,
does not mean that I believe the entire party line.

I am able to "think outside the box",
as it were, and I feel very comfortable questioning doctrine,
disagreeing with dogma and RC Church authority.

But I take great comfort in receiving the sacraments
of Reconciliation (AKA Confession)
and receiving the Body and Blood of Christ in the Holy Eucharist.
And the RC Church really does put on a "good show,"
with the music, Bible readings, sermons and bells and incense.

My own faith journey is ongoing.
Who knows where I will be in 10 years time ?
Only God as I understand Him knows for certain.

I believe that way too many Christians
have forgotten Christ's message,
and worship the creeds of their brand of dogma.,
just as the scribes and Pharisees did in the time of Jesus.

And I believe that there are many paths that lead to God.
Ultimately, I think that we choose a path that  feels most comfortable to us.


I have been around a lot of Quackers and I have no problem with them either.  I could honestly become a Mennonite, the only reason why I don't is they do not believe in self defense.
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2015, 09:51:22 PM »
I know that Christian Orthodox priest who has forgiven the sin of abortion, an elderly woman in Serbia.
To the priest, it was the duty of the commandment of God.
I do not know what the problem is when Christians confess your sins to priests. They did St. John the Baptist, later Lord Jesus Christ.

Because they are just mere mortal men.  Can you provide the scripture that says God delegated these duties to priest?
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2015, 06:56:54 AM »
Because they are just mere mortal men.  Can you provide the scripture that says God delegated these duties to priest?

You are return to Judaism because Pharisees command to the Jews that only God can forgive sins because St. John the Baptist in Jordan baptized and forgive sins of the people.

Hey, which serves St. Secret of Confession (of sins) ?
The priest is the witness that that you have repented of your sins.

P.S. Answer on topic Christian debate please. This debate has nothing to do with the this topic.

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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2015, 07:26:22 AM »
Yes !

Speak, Mr Bundy!

Give the views of the Orthodox Church.

I believe that it is the closest church
to the original Christians
of Jesus.

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Indeed but Christian Orthodox Church has lot of problems.  Last year Alex Jones said that NWO attacking Orthodox Church.
As I said to Donnay this is not issue for this topic.

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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2015, 02:30:23 PM »
Donnay,

I suspect that my Christian beliefs,
are more similar than different from yours.

Hence:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and Earth.

And I believe in Jesus Christ,
His only Son,
Our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered Under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, died and was Buried.
Jesus descended unto death
And rose on the third day.

Jesus ascended into Heaven
And is seated at the right hand of the Father.
From there Jesus shall come to judge the living and the dead.
His Kingdom shall have no end .

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord and Giver of Life,
Who proceeds from THE Father and The SON,
Who together with THE FATHER and THE SON
Is worshipped and glorified.
HE has spoken to the Prophets.

I believe in one holy universal church,
communion with it's members,
Living and dead.

I believe in the forgiveness of sins,
The Resurrection of our bodies,
and life in the world to come.

Now, are we more similar or more different in our basic beliefs ?

You know I love you, girlfriend!
No matter what your answer will be!  :)

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Amazon,

I am not here to judge you or any one else.  I love you, so that would never be my intention to say you are wrong and will go to Hell for that thinking.  God is the ultimate Judge.

If talking to a man makes you put things in perspective, then it works for you and I am happy for you.

Personally, I like to stay in His word--everyday--even in bad times because God gives me comfort and strengthen.  I thank Him everyday for the Blessing He has given to us.  Just like our friendship.   ;)

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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2015, 06:42:53 PM »
You are return to Judaism because Pharisees command to the Jews that only God can forgive sins because St. John the Baptist in Jordan baptized and forgive sins of the people.

Hey, which serves St. Secret of Confession (of sins) ?
The priest is the witness that that you have repented of your sins.

P.S. Answer on topic Christian debate please. This debate has nothing to do with the this topic.

I respectfully disagree with you.  You don't think God knows whether you repented or not?  Our witness is Jesus Christ.

Pope Pushing Depopulation Agenda of the Georgia Guidestones?

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With the Vatican increasingly endorsing new “how to live” rules for their followers and society, they have clearly become more political than they’ve been in a long time. Pay attention.

In the video below, YouTube reporter RedsilverJ explains how the Pope appears to be pushing the agenda that’s etched into the mysterious Georgia Guidestones.

He points to the church’s recent support for climate change action and for telling Catholics to be “responsible parents” to control the population. These complimentary stances based on “science” seem to directly coincide with commandments on the Georgia Guidestones.

RedsilverJ did not mention the Pope’s recent “there are limits to free speech” comments, but they could also be attributed to an agenda to limit human freedom.

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/pope-pushing-depopulation-agenda-of.html
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2015, 12:48:32 PM »

 I should not but in here however I believe the true church is this scripture

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Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not any religion  not any building.
Rev21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2015, 12:53:37 PM »
The Vatican speaker should do away with himself  as an example, if thats what he believes,  and help us all.
Rev21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2015, 01:14:49 PM »
Donnay,

You still have not answered my question.

Are we more similar in our basic Christian beliefs ?

Which of those basic Christian beliefs that I clearly stated
do you disagree with ?

This is a very important issue, girlfriend,
as many of us who are members of the RC church
remain silent and do not want to post
because this forum has become a prejudiced WASP stonghold.

If you do not recognize that,
you have become myopic
and are collaborating with the NWO.

This has to be stated.

We have to face the truth.

All the energy spent on the pope is a distraction,
set up by the NWO.

A distraction from the nuclear  threats occurring
as a result of  American and Saudi conspiracy.
This unholy alliance has started Isis,
the Mujahadin,
Isil, and all the other uncontrollable terroristic threats.

So continue to be distracted by unimportant issues,
as the world blows up around you.

Infighting among Christians is a depopulation issue
firmly orchestrated by the NWO.

Do you want to be a collaborator
when history is written by the  informed minority ?

Take a step back
and see the bigger picture,
if you can.

I DO believe that you can, Donnay.

I use discernment when analyzing things.  In my heart of hearts I think it is wrong to confess sins to a man.  You must confess with thine mouth to the Father in Jesus' name (Romans 10:9  - 1 John 1:9 - John 6:44).

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6).

1 Peter 2:24
"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."

Satan has taken over much of the organized religions.  You have to step back and look at that aspect of it.  Remember his time here will be short (5 months).

Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Rev 12:12 (KJV)
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. (KJV)

 Matt 7:15-23 (Jesus speaking) (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Deception is all around us!  We must be wise enough to find the truth.
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2015, 01:15:40 PM »
I should not but in here however I believe the true church is this scripture

Not any religion  not any building.

Agreed.  Christianity is not a religion it is a reality.
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Re: Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2015, 04:24:06 PM »
Vatican Speaker on Climate Thinks There are 6 Billion Too Many of Us

by Austin Ruse 
12 Jun 2015


One of the speakers slated for the Vatican rollout of the long-awaited Papal document on climate change once said the earth is overpopulated by at least 6 billion people.

The teaching document, called an encyclical, is scheduled for release on June 18 at Vatican City. Perhaps with the exception of the 1968 encyclical on contraception, no Vatican document has been greeted with such anticipation.

The political left is hoping for a document that ties belief in global warming to a religious obligation. Climate skeptics have already started criticizing the document.

The choice of Professor John Schnellnhuber, founding director of the Postdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, as one of three presenters may be giving the left added hope and giving giving skeptics severe heartburn. He has been described as one of the more aggressive scientists on the question of man-made global warming.

In a talk given to what’s described as the “failed” 2009 Copenhagen climate conference, reported in the New York Times, Schnellnhuber, who has advised German President Angela Merkel and is a visiting professor at Oxford, said of global warming: “In a very cynical way, it’s a triumph for science because at last we have stabilized something –- namely the estimates for the carrying capacity of the planet, namely below 1 billion people.”

Schnellnhuber is also author of what’s called the “two-degree target” that says governments must not allow the temperature to rise more than 2 degrees higher than at the start of the industrial revolution. Any higher, the theory holds, and much life on earth would either perish or be gravely harmed.

To deal with climate issues, he has also called for an “Earth Constitution that would transcend the UN Charter” along with the creation of a “Global Council…elected by all the people on Earth” and a “Planetary Court..a transnational legal body open to appeals from everybody, especially with respect to violations of the Earth Constitution.”

Read more:  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/12/vatican-speaker-on-climate-thinks-there-are-6-billion-too-many-of-us/

Of course that's what his Nefilim masters are telling him to say.

These guys are also pushing the eugenics and the up and coming wars to achieve all this too.