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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2008, 05:54:13 PM »

it is certainly possible that it is just a case of Hegellian dailect, however, I do not see the direct funding from Rothschilds and others than the real soviet communists had, especially in 1917 - 21 and 1939- 45+, indeed I see the opposite, however, I admit that Russia benefits greatly from the high oil/natural gas price.

Putin's chief foreign policy advisor is Sergei Karaganov, a senior member of the Trilateral Commission and CFR and a lieutenant of Kissinger's friend Gen. Primakov. Russia has been totally reliant on Western aid continously since 1917. Please read Prof. Antony Sutton's work.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »

Putin's chief foreign policy advisor is Sergei Karaganov, a senior member of the Trilateral Commission and CFR and a lieutenant of Kissinger's friend Gen. Primakov. Russia has been totally reliant on Western aid continously since 1917. Please read Prof. Antony Sutton's work

I will have a look at some of his work, I am not sure of your claim that Russia has been "totally reliant" on western aid since 1917, however, I do realise that they were so in 1917 - 21+, 1939 - 45+ and 1989 - 1999, and at others times may have received plenty of aid, even if not "totally reliant" upon such aid.

I see Antony Sutton  is the guy who wrote "the best enemies money can buy"


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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2008, 12:02:37 PM »

Here is Dr. Stan Monteith interviewing Dr. Joseph Douglass on the Communist-Capitalist Alliance: http://mediadownload.soundwaves2000.com:8080/rliberty/mp3/030608b.mp3

Sergei Karaganov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Karaganov



Sergei Alexandrovich Karaganov (Russian: Сергей Александрович Караганов, born September 12, 1952) is a Russian political scientist who heads the Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, an independent and influential analytical institution whose members include a number of Russia's political, academic and economic elite. Karaganov is a close associate of Yevgeny Primakov, and has been Presidential Advisor to both Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin. [1]

Karaganov has been a member of the Trilateral Commission since 1998, and served on the International Advisory Board of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1995 until 2005. He has also been Deputy Director of the Institute of Europe at the USSR (now Russian) Academy of Sciences since 1989. [2]

Karaganov is the only intellectual from the former Soviet Union listed in the 2005 Global Intellectuals Poll, and only one of four, with Pavol Demeš, Václav Havel and Slavoj Žižek, from Eastern Europe.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2008, 12:07:49 PM »

thank you for that info on Karaganov, and the link to the interview, I will have a look at it this evening.
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2008, 12:19:42 PM »

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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2008, 04:36:12 PM »

Here is Dr. Stan Monteith interviewing Dr. Joseph Douglass on the Communist-Capitalist Alliance: http://mediadownload.soundwaves2000.com:8080/rliberty/mp3/030608b.mp3

Sergei Karaganov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Karaganov



Sergei Alexandrovich Karaganov (Russian: Сергей Александрович Караганов, born September 12, 1952) is a Russian political scientist who heads the Council for Foreign and Defense Policy, an independent and influential analytical institution whose members include a number of Russia's political, academic and economic elite. Karaganov is a close associate of Yevgeny Primakov, and has been Presidential Advisor to both Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin. [1]

Karaganov has been a member of the Trilateral Commission since 1998, and served on the International Advisory Board of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1995 until 2005. He has also been Deputy Director of the Institute of Europe at the USSR (now Russian) Academy of Sciences since 1989. [2]

Karaganov is the only intellectual from the former Soviet Union listed in the 2005 Global Intellectuals Poll, and only one of four, with Pavol Demeš, Václav Havel and Slavoj Žižek, from Eastern Europe.

Interesting read EUphobic,so there are golbalists in Russia as well..
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« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2008, 12:21:58 PM »

Communism is a globalist ideology, funded by the Western corporatists.
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« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2008, 05:00:47 PM »

I watched the interview with Stanley Monteith and Antony Sutton, it was well worth the watch, I was shocked at the extent of aid given to the Soviets, I was aware they had received plenty 1917+ and WWII and 1989 onwards, but did nto realise quite the extent of it and that aid had arrived at other times too.

Really blows open just how much there was indeed an alliance behind the scenes, whilst the extent of fiscal aid can be exaggerated, the interventions in key areas really cannot, technology transfer being a key element, and non a cash item too so harder to prove.

thank you EUphobic for drawing my attention to the extent of the aid delivered.
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« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2008, 05:48:40 AM »


How a tiny breakaway province could become the new cold war frontline

While Georgia hopes to join Nato, its rebel Abkhazia area is being wooed by Russia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/17/russia.georgia

    * Luke Harding in Dikhazurga
    * The Guardian,
    * Thursday April 17 2008
   

The bridge over the Ingur does not feel like a place at war. There is no gunfire, merely the noisy croaking of frogs. Down on the river bank, anglers with homemade willow rods dip for trout in the swirling turquoise water.

But this tranquil spot, on what was once a coast of the Soviet Union, may be about to become a flashpoint - not just between Georgia and its breakaway province of Abkhazia, which fought a war here in 1992-93, but between Nato and the Russian Federation.

Fifteen years after driving out Georgian troops, Abkhazia is on the brink of winning recognition from Russia. Yesterday Vladimir Putin ordered his officials to strengthen economic ties and provide consular support to residents in the separatist republic.

The president said Russia would recognise legal entities registered in Abkhazia and in South Ossetia, another breakaway region. The move stops short of recognising Abkhazia's claim to independence, but only just.

Russia's foreign ministry yesterday insisted it did not want confrontation. But yesterday's move will enrage Georgia's pro-western and US-backed government, which accuses Moscow of attempting to annex its rebel regions by stealth. Last night Georgia's foreign minister, David Bakradze, said Russia's move amounted to a "legalisation of the de facto annexation process". Georgian officials said Tbilisi was preparing "an adequate response". In London, the Foreign Office was moved to delve into the confrontation, saying the move "would only increase tensions in the region".

Putin's provocative action appears to be a deliberate response to Georgia's unsuccessful attempt this month to join Nato. Leaders of Nato, meeting in Bucharest, deferred Georgia's and Ukraine's application for the alliance's membership action plan, despite strong support from the US president, George Bush. But Nato countries agreed Georgia would join eventually. And when it does, the alliance's mutual defence commitment will include sorting out the problem of Abkhazia, a lush micro-republic on the Black Sea's eastern coast that is a 45-minute drive from Putin's summer residence in the resort of Sochi.

Abkhazia is a somnolent seaside paradise. In Soviet times, Russian workers holidayed there, relaxing in sanatoriums. Stalin visited, staying in a private dacha on Abkhazia's vertiginous coast.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audio/2008/apr/17/abkhazia.independence.georgia
Audio: Luke Harding reports from Abkhazia

Now, Abkhaz generals talk darkly of another looming conflict. "Yes, I think there is going to be a war," said Jansukh Muratiya, head of security in the Abkhaz border town of Gal. "How else is Georgia to resolve the Abkhaz problem?" According to him, 2,000 Georgian troops were last week massing up in the Upper Kodori valley, a mountainous gorge blocked for much of the year by snow. Georgia re-occupied the disputed valley in 2006, Muratiya said, adding that there were regular skirmishes between Abkhaz and Georgian troops.

Eduard Turnaba, 42, an Abkhaz soldier, said: "They want to be in Nato. We are on the brink of recognition. That's why there is tension."

Turnaba said the situation at the border was dangerous; his brother Otar was blown up last year when his military vehicle ran over a Georgian mine.

Georgia, meanwhile, wants to re-establish control over its separatist territories but denies it has any military plans. Just before this month's Nato summit, Georgia's president, Mikheil Saakashvili, offered Abkhazia an autonomy package. Abkhazia's leadership, based in the charming riviera town of Sokhumi, said no.

The international community's job of resolving this row has been made more difficult by its recognition of Kosovo, the US-backed ethnic Albanian province of Serbia that won independence in February despite vehement opposition from Moscow and Belgrade. Abkhazia says its claim to independence is the same as Kosovo's. Beslan Baratelia, a professor at Abkhazia state university, said: "Abkhazia has better arguments than Kosovo. The difference is that Abkhazia is supported by Russia and Kosovo by the US. Kosovo is now a precedent for the rest of the world."

On Tuesday the US and Russia clashed over the issue at the UN security council. US ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said he was deeply concerned about Russia's imminent plans to establish missions in Abkhazia. Russia decided he was a hypocrite, given the "illegal" US recognition of Kosovo.

Kosovo's independence also gives hope to other breakaway territories of the old Soviet Union. As well as Abkhazia and South Ossetia, there are the republic of Trans-Dniester in Moldova and the disputed district of Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan.

About 1,000 Russian peacekeeping troops are in Abkhazia, in accordance with a 1994 UN ceasefire. In recent years Russia lifted economic sanctions and gave most Abkhazians Russian passports. Last year two million Russian tourists visited the territory, attracted by its subtropical climate and unspoilt scenery. "We are an unrecognised de-facto state," Abkhazia's vice-foreign minister, Maxim Gunjia, said.

Isolation

In many respects this is not quite true. Economic isolation has left Abkhazia cut off from the outside world. There are no automated cash machines for the public; people have to bring in Russian roubles. And there is little transport: a single train threads its way along a rusted coastal track, past crumbling neo-classical stations and palm trees.

Up the road from the river Ingur is the border village of Dikhazurga. Here cows wander among the walnut groves. But many of the attractive wisteria-covered villas are roofless, abandoned when their owners fled across the river in Georgia's civil war; almost half of Abkhazia's population, mostly ethnic Georgians, fled. Tbilisi wants the refugees to go back. Some have done so.

Abkhazia, meanwhile, claims it was itself the victim of migration politics when Stalin, a Georgian, settled Georgians here, following previous invasions by the Ottomans and Greeks.

Today residents seem unexercised by the fact that their bucolic neighbourhood, with its blossom and bird song, could soon be the venue of a new cold war between a resurgent Russia and an expansionist west. "We just eat fasol [a bean appetiser], do our work and sleep," said Hwicha Kobalya, a resident, as he walked back across the bridge. "We leave the politics to Putin."

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Abkhazia, a tiny separatist republic on the Black Sea's east coast, is surrounded by beaches and the Caucasus mountain range. The region broke away from Georgia after fighting a war against the country's troops in 1992-93. The territory now seeks independence from Georgia. So far it has failed to win recognition internationally but yesterday it came a step closer when Russia said that it would strengthen economic ties and provide consular support to Abkhazia's residents. Georgia wants to return the rebel region to its control. It also wants Georgian refugees, forced to flee Abkhazia during the war, to go home. The area is one of several breakaway territories left over from the collapse of the Soviet Union. With its mandarin groves and towering eucalyptus trees, Abkhazia was a popular holiday destination for Russian workers as well as for the Soviet elite. Stalin had a dacha here. Abkhazia now attracts about 2 million Russian tourists a year.
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« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2008, 07:59:15 AM »

Georgia on their minds

Russia wants South Ossetia and Abkhazia back - and so does Georgia. When I met soldiers in these breakaway regions, they were ready for a fight
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http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/simon_reeve/2008/04/simon_reeve_vodka_and_independ.html
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During lunch in a quiet café, the tough young South Ossetian soldiers downed mugs of vodka to celebrate their sergeant's birthday, then linked arms and sang patriotic songs of war and independence. After a few rounds, as if remembering their duty, they sobered up, gathered their Kalashnikovs, and headed off to man defences and pillboxes on the frontline with Georgia.

A breakaway region of Georgia, South Ossetia is one of several separatist republics scattered across former Soviet states that are at the centre of rumbling conflicts largely forgotten by the rest of the world. Despite being the cause of regional wars after the Soviet Union collapsed, the issues that provoked fighting in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan, or Transniestria, a renegade sliver of a country between Moldova and Ukraine, have never really been resolved.

Visiting several of these breakaway states a few years ago, including South Ossetia, was a trip through a timewarp. Fields were ploughed by horses and old trucks belched soot. Development had been slow and most people were poorer than during Soviet times. I was struck by a sense that both sides were waiting for the other to make a bold, decisive move. Either the separatists would finally declare full independence, or the former mother country - be it Georgia or Moldova - would attack and invade.

These tense situations need careful, patient diplomacy. But Russia has been meddling in the former Soviet states, partly to discourage Nato and the west from moving closer to its borders, and partly in the hope of recovering fragments of the old empire.

So the Kremlin has openly wooed, funded and encouraged separatists in areas of Georgia and Transniestria, which split from Moldova. Russia has also established military bases in both regions, with hundreds of soldiers and heavy weaponry on the ground. The Kremlin calls them "peacekeepers"; Georgian officials wryly describe them as "piece-keepers".

Now, as revenge for western recognition of Kosovo, and because Moscow has never really accepted the collapse of the Soviet empire, Russia has announced it is further strengthening economic and political links with South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

It is a bold attempt to encourage the two separatist states to join Russia and ultimately accept annexation. But the new move by the Kremlin dramatically increases the risk of war with Georgia, which has long vowed to take back control of its separatist republics.

So what do South Ossetians and Abkhazians want? When I visited South Ossetia, the state was on a war footing. Locals stressed they were Ossetes, not Georgians, and wanted unification with their brothers in the region of North Ossetia, across the border in Russia. Like the separatists in Abkhazia, who view themselves as an ancient ethnic group, they would prefer full independence, but would settle for rule from Moscow over rule from Tiblisi.

Even if this crisis can be resolved peacefully, which seems unlikely, others still simmer across the former Soviet Union. Transniestria and Nagorno-Karabakh, now an almost entirely Christian enclave inside Azerbaijan since Muslim Azeris were forced out, are both at the centre of possible future wars. Troops on both sides seemed ready for a fight. Surely it is time the European Union took a more active role in resolving these festering conflicts. The alternative could be war on the EU's eastern border.

Leaving South Ossetia, I chatted with heavily-armed Russian "peacekeepers" on the border with Georgia. All clearly felt they were defending an enclave of Mother Russia. I asked what they would do if Georgian troops tried to retake South Ossetia. One pointed to the Russian flag velcroed onto his uniform.

"We will take off our badges," he said adamantly, "and we will fight."
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« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2008, 06:51:16 AM »


Georgia 'plans war in Abkhazia'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7373263.stm

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Russia has said that Georgia is preparing to invade the breakaway region of Abkhazia.


A statement from the Russian foreign ministry said that "a bridgehead is being prepared for the start of military operations against Abkhazia".

Russia accuses Georgia of amassing 1,500 soldiers and police near the rebel areas of the upper Kodori Gorge.

But Georgian officials denied intending to attack Abkhazia, which broke away from Georgia in the 1990s.

Interior ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili told the news agency AFP that "there has been no increase in forces from the Georgian side, nothing at all. The Russian statement is simply not true."

He also objected to Moscow's announcement of an increase in peacekeeping forces in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, in response to what Russia sees as Georgia's aggressive moves.

Mr Utiashvili said: "This is not acceptable to us... they cannot increase the number any further."

He added: "It is the Russians who are taking provocative actions, not Georgia. Deploying additional troops is certainly a very provocative move."
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« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2008, 11:10:59 AM »


Rebels 'hit two Georgian drones'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7382969.stm



Separatist forces in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia say they have shot down two Georgian spy drones, Russian news agencies report.

The alleged attacks come two weeks after a similar incident.

A spokesman for Georgia's interior ministry "categorically" denied that any planes were lost on Sunday as none had been flying in the region.

Russia's support for Abkhazia and another region, South Ossetia, have stoked tensions with Georgia.

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in both regions since the early 1990s, when they broke free from Georgian control as the USSR disintegrated.

Russia began reinforcing its troops in Abkhazia last month, saying it was acting in line with an existing peace accord and accusing Georgia of preparing to invade Abkhazia.

Nato has accused Russia, in turn, of increasing tension with Georgia whose government aspires to Nato membership.

'No losses'

One drone was shot down over Abkhazia's Ochamchira district, Abkhaz officials told Russian agencies.

According to Itar-Tass, it was downed at 1252 GMT on Sunday.

Agencies later reported that a second drone had been downed and a search was under way for the debris.
Georgian drone footage
April drone footage Georgia says shows a Russian jet's involvement

Abkhaz official Ruslan Kishmariya said that Abkhaz anti-aircraft weapons had downed both aircraft.

He said that the presence of the drones was evidence that Georgia was preparing for military operations against Abkhazia.

Georgian interior ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili told AFP news agency that no Georgian planes had been flying in the region.

"We categorically deny the loss of any Georgian planes," he said.

Abkhazia first reported shooting down a Georgian drone on 18 March, when it showed off wreckage.

The downing of another drone over Abkhazia on 20 April provoked angry exchanges between Tbilisi and Moscow.

Russia said its presence had breached the 1994 peace accord which ended fighting in the region.

It reported that Abkhaz forces had shot down the plane, identified by Abkhazia as an Israeli-made Hermes 450.

Georgia, however, released footage showing what seemed to be a Russian MiG-29 jet shooting that drone down.

The video, apparently shot from the drone moments before impact, showed a jet launching a missile over what appeared to be the Black Sea. Georgia accused Russia of an act of "open aggression".
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2008, 01:35:57 PM »


Rebels 'hit two Georgian drones'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7382969.stm



Separatist forces in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia say they have shot down two Georgian spy drones, Russian news agencies report.

The alleged attacks come two weeks after a similar incident.

A spokesman for Georgia's interior ministry "categorically" denied that any planes were lost on Sunday as none had been flying in the region.

Russia's support for Abkhazia and another region, South Ossetia, have stoked tensions with Georgia.

Russian and UN peacekeepers have been deployed in both regions since the early 1990s, when they broke free from Georgian control as the USSR disintegrated.

Russia began reinforcing its troops in Abkhazia last month, saying it was acting in line with an existing peace accord and accusing Georgia of preparing to invade Abkhazia.

Nato has accused Russia, in turn, of increasing tension with Georgia whose government aspires to Nato membership.

'No losses'

One drone was shot down over Abkhazia's Ochamchira district, Abkhaz officials told Russian agencies.

According to Itar-Tass, it was downed at 1252 GMT on Sunday.

Agencies later reported that a second drone had been downed and a search was under way for the debris.
Georgian drone footage
April drone footage Georgia says shows a Russian jet's involvement

Abkhaz official Ruslan Kishmariya said that Abkhaz anti-aircraft weapons had downed both aircraft.

He said that the presence of the drones was evidence that Georgia was preparing for military operations against Abkhazia.

Georgian interior ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili told AFP news agency that no Georgian planes had been flying in the region.

"We categorically deny the loss of any Georgian planes," he said.

Abkhazia first reported shooting down a Georgian drone on 18 March, when it showed off wreckage.

The downing of another drone over Abkhazia on 20 April provoked angry exchanges between Tbilisi and Moscow.

Russia said its presence had breached the 1994 peace accord which ended fighting in the region.

It reported that Abkhaz forces had shot down the plane, identified by Abkhazia as an Israeli-made Hermes 450.

Georgia, however, released footage showing what seemed to be a Russian MiG-29 jet shooting that drone down.

The video, apparently shot from the drone moments before impact, showed a jet launching a missile over what appeared to be the Black Sea. Georgia accused Russia of an act of "open aggression".
Biggs,remember me telling you about the caspain pipeline? looks like the Russians are making the move to block it.
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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2008, 10:26:30 AM »

Biggs,remember me telling you about the caspain pipeline? looks like the Russians are making the move to block it.

Hi Mike,

yes I do remember, and am inclined to agree with you, since the above article if anything the rhetoric has been stepped up. Although Peak Oil looks like a man made phenomena rather than  a real one, the scramble for resources is intensifying, and with every oil grab the US and allies make, Russia and China do their best to block it or make a grab of their own.

I guess they feel here that if the pipeline goes ahead that Georgia will fall forever into NATO hands, along with a great deal of money generated by the oil.
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« Reply #54 on: May 11, 2008, 01:50:53 AM »

Hi Mike,

yes I do remember, and am inclined to agree with you, since the above article if anything the rhetoric has been stepped up. Although Peak Oil looks like a man made phenomena rather than  a real one, the scramble for resources is intensifying, and with every oil grab the US and allies make, Russia and China do their best to block it or make a grab of their own.

I guess they feel here that if the pipeline goes ahead that Georgia will fall forever into NATO hands, along with a great deal of money generated by the oil.
Hi Biggs! yeah,I think we are gonna see some major action in Georgia there is no way TPTB are gonna let the Russian's stop them like they have in Kosovo.
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Hi Biggs! yeah,I think we are gonna see some major action in Georgia there is no way TPTB are gonna let the Russian's stop them like they have in Kosovo.

I quite agree, and on the wider & longer term NWO picture, it is too good an opportunity for more chaos for them to pass up. The greater the chaos the sooner they get their NWO.
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« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2008, 04:16:39 PM »

I quite agree, and on the wider & longer term NWO picture, it is too good an opportunity for more chaos for them to pass up. The greater the chaos the sooner they get their NWO.
Oh,yes this situation plays into their overall plans nicely.
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« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2008, 05:49:10 PM »

Oh,yes this situation plays into their overall plans nicely.

each little round of rhetoric gets worse, each involvement of NATo or Russia in their affairs just leaves them in more danger, the same imperial game playing that has cursed the world for centuries.
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« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2008, 01:16:45 PM »

A war waiting to happen

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JG16Ag01.html


The Caucasus Republic of Georgia, as nations go, is not apparently a major global player. Yet Washington has invested huge sums and organized to put its own despot, Mikhail Saakashvili, in the presidency in order to close a nuclear North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) iron ring around Russia.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited the capital Tbilisi and made sharp statements against Moscow for supporting the separatist Georgian states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, in essence blaming Moscow for an imminent war Washington has incited in order to bring Georgia into NATO by the December NATO summit.

Western media have either tended to ignore the growing tensions in the strategic Caucasus region or to suggest, as Rice does, that the entire conflict is being caused by Moscow's support of the "breakaway" republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In reality, a quite different chess game is being played in the region, one which has the potential to detonate a major escalation of tensions between Moscow and NATO.

The underlying issue is the fact that since the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact in 1991, one after the other former members as well as former states of the USSR have been coaxed and in many cases bribed with false promises by Washington into joining the counter organization, NATO.

Rather than initiate discussions after the 1991 dissolution of the Warsaw Pact about a systematic dissolution of NATO, Washington has systematically converted NATO into what can only be called the military vehicle of an American global imperial rule, linked by a network of military bases from Kosovo to Poland to Turkey to Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 1999, former Warsaw Pact members Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic joined NATO. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and Slovakia followed in March 2004. Now Washington is putting immense pressure on the European Union members of NATO, especially Germany and France, that they vote in December to admit Georgia and Ukraine.

The Georgia-Abkhazia military picture

The present escalation of tensions in the region began in May when Abkhazia said it had shot down two Georgian drones over its airspace. The announcement came two weeks after Georgia accused Russia of shooting down an unmanned drone over Abkhazia, which Tbilisi considers its sovereign territory. Moscow has denied involvement.

Russia has administered a peacekeeping contingent in Abkhazia and South Ossetia since bloody conflicts in the 1990s, and sent additional troops to Abkhazia recently to deter what it calls a planned Georgian military offensive. The two sides, Georgia and Abkhazia, have been in a state of suspended conflict since 1993, when Abkhaz separatists, backed by Russian forces, succeeded in driving the Georgians out of the province.

Tbilisi claims sovereignty over Abkhazia and South Ossetia and refers to both as "breakaway republics". In 2001, Georgian troops joined with anti-Moscow mujahideen-trained Chechyn soldiers from neighboring Russian Muslim province of Chechnya to mount a military attack, unsuccessfully, against Abkhazia.

In an analysis of what a possible military clash, short of nuclear war between Russia and NATO might look like, the Russian government's RIA Novosti military commentator, Ilya Kramnik, laid out the array of forces on both sides. In late 2007, the Georgian armed forces had about 33,000 officers and men, including a 22,000-strong army that comprised five brigades and eight detached battalions. These units had over 200 tanks, including 40 T-55 and 165 T-72 main battle tanks that are currently being overhauled.

Kramnik says that the Georgian military faces a 10,000-strong Abkhazian Self Defense Force with 60 tanks, including 40 T-72s, and 85 artillery pieces and mortars, including several dozen with a 122-152mm caliber and 116 armored vehicles of different types, numerous anti-tank weapons ranging from RPG-7 rocket launchers to Konkurs-M anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs). The Abkhazian navy has over 20 motor boats armed with machine-guns and small-caliber cannons.

But most decisive, as was shown in the experience of the 1992-1993 Georgian-Abkhazian conflict, even small units can resist superior enemy forces in mountainous areas for a long time. Consequently, the outcome of any hypothetical conflict would depend on the aggressors' level of military training and the influence of third parties, primarily Russian units from the Collective Commonwealth of Independent States Peacekeeping Force. Georgia's armed forces are notoriously corrupt and poorly trained.

Although the United States has trained several crack Georgian units in the past few years, the fighting effectiveness of all other elements is uncertain. There are no trained sergeants, and troop morale is running low. Only about 50% of the military equipment is operational, and coordinated operations in adverse conditions are impossible.

The Abkhazian armed forces pack a more devastating punch because they would resist an aggressor that has already tried to deprive the republic of its independence. And Abkhazian units are commanded by officers trained at Russian military schools. Many of them fought in the early 1990s. Most analysts agree that the combat-ready Abkhazian army does not suffer from corruption. Moscow has recently beefed up the local peace-keeping contingent. Neighboring Caucasus states including North Ossetia side with Abkhazia and are ready to take on Georgia.

Moscow's possible strategy

Moscow has stepped up ties with the two small republics against the backdrop of Georgia's NATO bid and Western recognition of Kosovo's independence from Serbia. Russia, however, has not formally recognized Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

Moscow has long backed Abkhazia's de facto independence however. It has granted Russian citizenship to many of its residents and recently legalized economic ties with the separatist republic. For Russia, the conflict provides a source of leverage on both Abkhazia and Georgia. The more Georgia seeks to distance itself from Russia, the more Russia throws its weight behind Abkhazia.

However, Georgia under Washington's man, strongman President Mikhail Saakashvili - a pretty ruthless dictator as he recently showed against domestic opposition - refuses to back off its provocative NATO bid.

Georgia is also a strategic transit country for the Anglo-American Caspian oil pipeline from Baku in Azerbaijan through Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. As well, the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas pipeline has been key to Azerbaijan as an alternative to the control of the Russian state monopoly Transneft in order to convey its oil and gas resources toward the West. The entire Caucasus is part of what can be described as a new Great Game for control of Eurasia between Washington and Russia.

As the Moscow Times sees it, "One way to disrupt Georgia's NATO aspirations would be to heat up the conflict in Abkhazia to a level that would make it unacceptable for the Western alliance, which acts by the consensus of all members, to offer membership. Georgia's leadership could be escalating tensions in hope of prompting Abkhazia and Russia to make a move that would leave the West with no chance but to intervene.

"Regardless of the motivation, whoever is stoking the conflict must realize that they are playing with fire. This brinkmanship can lead to a full-fledged war. Georgia would probably lose a war if Russia backed Abkhazia, while Russia would lose its hope of becoming a benign global player and would risk seriously straining its ties with the European Union and the United States."

Rice adds gasoline to the fire

The George W Bush administration is adding gasoline to the fire in the Caucasus. In Tbilisi on July 10, Rice told the press, "Russia needs to be a part of resolving the problem and solving the problem and not contributing to it. I have said it to the Russians publicly. I have said it privately."

The effect of her comments, blaming Moscow for the escalating tensions, is to signal US support for the Georgia side in their efforts to force Russian troops from South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

In May, Abkhaz President Sergei Bagapsh said he was willing to conclude a military treaty with Moscow similar to that between the US and Taiwan. "Abkhazia will propose to Russia the signing of a military treaty that would guarantee security to our republic," Bagapsh stated. "We are also prepared to host Russian military bases on our territory within the framework of this treaty. I would like to emphasize that this would not go against the precedents already existing in international practice. For instance, this treaty could be analogous to the treaty between the US and Taiwan."

Just as Moscow refuses to recognize the sovereignty of Kosovo, so Washington refuses to admit the sovereignty of Abkhazia. In May, a senior US State Department delegation was in Abkhazia, meeting with local non-governmental organizations (NGOs)there as well as the president. In the past, from Serbia to Georgia to Ukraine, Washington intelligence agencies have used NGOs, including the George Soros-financed Open Society foundations, the US Congress-financed National Endowment for Democracy, the Central Intelligence Agency-linked Freedom House and Gene Sharp's misleadingly-named Albert Einstein Institution to steer a wave of regime changes which became known as "color revolutions".

In each case, the new regime was pro-Washington and anti-Moscow, as in the case of Saakashvili in Georgia and Viktor Yushchenko in Ukraine. Both countries began seeking NATO entry after the success of the US-financed color revolutions.

In all this, Washington is definitely playing with potential nuclear fire by escalating pressure to push Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. Czech Foreign Minister Karl Schwarzenberg on July 8 signed an agreement allowing US deployment of special radar facilities on Czech soil as part of the top-secret US "missile defense" it alleges is aimed at rogue missile threats from Iran.

As even former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger recently pointed out, the Bush administration's categorical refusal to pursue the 2007 counter-offer of then-president Vladimir Putin to station US radar at the Russian-leased reconnaissance facility in Azerbaijan instead, was a provocative mistake.

It makes abundantly clear that Washington is aiming its military strategy at the dismantling of Russia as a potential adversary. That is a recipe for a possible nuclear war by miscalculation. Rice's latest Caucasus and Czech visit only added to that growing danger.

F William Engdahl is author of the book A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order and is finishing a book, provisionally titled, The New Cold War: Behind the US Drive for Full Spectrum Dominance. He may be reached via his website, www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net
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