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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2008, 10:15:08 AM »
Altough we should be glad, that some have been released, but what about the others that the americans are torturing. Heading into socialism, i doubt these things will stop, from the world police.

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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2008, 10:20:44 AM »
Honor lost.

Sadism is now the coming fad, the acceptable.

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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2008, 10:35:02 AM »
The US Administration Sexual Torture Scandal--Jason Bourne never volunteered!
Sue Arrigo, MD--by ex-CIA Physician and torture survivor 18 Aug 2007 20:48 GMT
 
Do you know that the US Administration reserves the right to torture innocent children? To answer why it does that we start in US prisons in Iraq, atrocities committed by Special Forces, the White House and Pentagon Memos that ordered the torture, and end with US political coercion of foreign leaders and their families by making them amnesic mind control victims without their consent or their knowledge.
George Hunter White's retirement letter to the Dir. of CIA: "... I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape, and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest [Commander in Chief]?"

Not long after the US Administration said that the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was cleaned up in 2004, I gave US officials (Tenet, Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, and JCS) my declassified medical report on the Iraq prisoners at 3 US prison that showed it was not. That medical report was not just my own findings, but those of the 8 Red Cross physicians (pressured into secrecy by the US) that I managed to get inside of two of those prisons with me. The findings were so scandalizing that the US administration held a meeting of the cabinet to figure out how to bury my report of 28 pages and over a thousand pages of supporting documents. My boss Tenet had me listen to the CIA's tape recording that meeting; three US officials argued in it that I should be to be tortured into silence. That silence lasted until this week, when under CIA torture yet again in Ireland, I decided that nothing would silence me. My torture included electrical shocks so strong that the pain caused me to pass out. It also included injecting me with a muscle paralyzing drug that prevented my being able to breathe. I turned blue from lack of oxygen. I was at the mercy of my CIA torturers for each breath in by their mouth-to mouth-resuscitation. They intermittently withheld resuscitation intentionally , each time I experienced dying as I passed out from lack of oxygen. At another point, a gun was held to my temple and the trigger pulled. Each of these methods of torture was designed to be as cruel as possible. I want to tell you about the torture the U.S. has done in Iraq and why. Then, I want you to request my report on medical results of US torture in Iraq and to stop all US torture, including by the CIA.

US General Karpinsky, who had command responsibility at the Abu Ghraib prison, later admitted that 90% of the prisoners there were innocent of any wrongdoing ( See http://dir.salon.com/story/books/int/2005/11/10/karpinski/index.html). The US was using drag-net methods to arrest people, not careful police work.

Torture is operationally worthless in producing accurate intelligence. Per CIA studies, the noise-to-signal ratio of "time-wasting leads" to "time-helpful leads" to so bad, that ordinary police work is faster, more reliable, easier, and more cost effective. It is also infinitely more humane and avoids the horrible blow-back of creating enemies and destroying coalitions.

Torture has been used as a tool by the CIA "relatively effectively" in two main ways. The first is to intimidate a whole population into submission out of fear of being tortured, by intentionally torturing mainly innocent people so that no one feels safe from it. That strategy was used by the CIA because the CIA routinely favored the rights of corporations to make a profit over the rights of Third World workers to be paid a wage that kept their children from starving to death. US sanctions caused half a million Iraqi children to die. (please read former Attn. General Ramsey Clark's Iraq called The Fire This Time: US War Crimes in the Gulf ). The death of the children was not an unintended consequence of sanctions; Kissinger said;

“Depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World….”. Henry Kissinger National Security Memorandum (NSSM 200) early 1970’s Ironically, CIA studies show that populations are rather like rose bushes; pruning them causes them to seed, and population growth is best accomplished by giving people opportunities to have satisfying lives. While I was at the CIA, I would occasionally go with Tenet to the White House. Officials at the White House would ask him, in front of others they wanted to impress, "Is Iraq becoming more democratic?" Then those very same officials would later call up Tenet and ask him how the installation of the US puppet govt. in Iraq was going. It was a complete charade to fool people as to what the real goals of US foreign policy are and the methods being used to achieve them. The US produces a reign of terror in order to steal the resources and labor of others. That is like a man beating his wife; the man gets what he wants, including power, but ends up in an unhappy marriage losing more than he won in the process. CIA studies proved that cooperation and being genuinely concerned about the welfare of others and other countries produces the greatest wealth and satisfaction, just as in a marriage.

The second way that torture is used by the US govt. is to make mind control slaves. Operation MK-ULTRA is the most well-known of the CIA operations to force people to do things against their will and started in the 1950's. I am one of the survivors of the MK-ULTRA II. There are at a minimum 90 thousand American victims and the CIA just renames the programs frequently in order to claim "But we stopped doing that a long time ago." (see http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo2.html, http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo3.html, http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo6.html ).It is a very active, expanding, and ongoing use of torture done first to American children, and then Canadian, European, and children around the world, especially the children of foreign diplomats. ( http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo1.html ). The Bush Administration’s chief legal architect, John Yoo, stated publicly that the U.S. Administration reserves the right to torture children by crushing their testicles---innocent children. (see www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11488.htm ). The point of using children was that children's minds are more pliable than adults, though adults can also be used. Most mind control subjects are put on a schedule to be tortured every 6 to 12 months to ensure that they continue to be amnesic. They cannot report their torture until they remember it, so much is done to keep them so traumatized that they cannot remember. The torture with electroshock to the private areas is like Abu Ghraib, too painful to remember as it involves such horrendous sexual degradations. It is designed not to leave physical scars, but to leave such bad mental scars that the person will not be able to have a will left to resist with, and to be so bizarre and overwhelming that even hearing what happened will force the hearer into denial. When a person close to death is given a command it lodges in their subconscious mind without being evaluated by their moral values. It then can be triggered by the CIA later to get the person to be their agent against the person's conscious will and knowledge. Such a hijacking of a person's life and degradation of their soul by sexually torturing them is criminal in the extreme. Some mind control victims have won lawsuits against the CIA. A psychiatrist, Colin Ross, after having mind control patients and reading 15,000 pages of FOIA CIA document on these operations wrote the book Bluebird: the deliberate creation of multiple personalities by (CIA) psychiatrists (using torture and drugs). He proved in his book that most of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation board of directors were CIA mind controller researcher who should have been imprisoned for sexual torture of American children. He thinks it is only a matter of time before the victims get recognition and compensation. The CIA and the US govt. will have major blow-back as a result of all the torture and enslaving of people that they have done around the world. Mind control is worse than being murdered--it is like being murdered many times over in each torture session, every 3 to 6 months or more often.

The Bush Administration was using sexual humiliation and sexual torture to create mind control slaves in Iraq to make it appear later that Iraq was self-ruled and democratic. The CIA files on the "graduates" of the Abu Ghraib Prison "School of Torture" showed that they were used in Iraq as assassins, suicide bombers, death squads, and Iraqi militia to sow sectarian violence. That was done to justify the continuing presence of the US military in Iraq, by threatening that civil war would occur if the US pulled out. Internal CIA documents showed that about 85% of all the so-called "sectarian violence" was the direct result of CIA black ops to cause it!

Torture, all torture is cruel, without exception--there is no such thing as "torture light". As an ex-CIA physician, I recently faxed members of Congress to ask for the release of my studies that proved that the CIA and Pentagon would work better using only non-violent ethical means. Torture is completely unnecessary and has no place in modern society, just like beating one's wife has no place in a marriage.

The US Prisons in Iraq:

[Note: I am writing this report 4 years after the fact without having access to the original report or my notes. The science of memory shows that memory is remarkably good for the gist of the events and less good for peripheral details. That is true of all memory, even after witnessing highly traumatic events, and should be counted by the courts as eye-witness testimony (see law professor Alan Scheflin's award-winning tome Memory, Trauma, and the Law)].

The Pentagon had previously assigned me the honorary rank of a two-star general in order to get me to attend the Joint Chiefs of Staff Meeting as their Remote Viewing Defense Advisor. I showed up at those 3 US prisons and asked them to show me how quickly they could collect accurate intelligence on the medical condition of their prisoners. They failed abysmally in being able to do that. The truth of those prisoners's conditions was not in their files. The files were designed to cover up their real condition, just like the medical system in the prisons was designed to deny the patients relief of their medical problems, as I will show below.

Like the Nazi death camp guards, the guards had been brainwashed into considering Muslims subhuman and not worthy of care. That propaganda campaign was launched by the US Administration. In each of the three prisons, I heard guards say, "That prisoner doesn't need medical care--he isn't dead yet." I could not understand why they said that until in the last prison, I came across a memo from Rumsfeld. It said that only urgent medical care should be given to the patients and defined that as "that care, which if withheld, would cause death". The guards had been verbally instructed that, they could only make the distinction after death.

The Intentional Denial of Potable Water:

Each prison gave the prisoners only water to drink that was visibly filthy and very dangerous to drink, while only a few feet away clear water was used by guards. Each prison had the capacity to supply enough good water to supply all the prisoner's needs. Through rigged Pentagon policies, prisoners were intentionally denied potable water, as well as water for washing. Denial of water to drink was also used as a form of torture, and applied to groups of prisoners for an infraction by one. Only after the person went unconscious believing that they had died was a tube forced down their nose to supply water. In two of the prisons, water was dispensed only once a day at sunset after the hoses had made the bad water worse, and the prisoners had suffered all day from sun and thirst. In the other the only water available was a cattle trough in which dead worms floated. Simple measures like flushing the hoses, filtration, and chlorine were available at each prison, but were denied the prisoners. Such measures deliberately caused disease, dehydration, suffering, and death through diarrhea. Simple cuts and scratches became fatal festering wounds as a result of lack of clean water to wash with.

The Intentional Denial of Sanitary Conditions:

The official policy at the prisons was that any prisoner requesting to use the toilet be accompanied to the john by two prison guards. But prisoners learned quickly not to make such a request, because lighted cigarettes were extinguished on their genitalia in the toilets. That was done even to the women and small children. I saw a baby with a cigarette burn to her private parts because her mother had asked for a clean cloth to diaper her baby in because it had a severe diaper rash. The prison guards refused to provide diapers because as they told me "We are only to give those out, if the Red Cross shows up."

The lack of washing water was made much worse by the guards deliberately and frequently smearing the prisoners all over with feces, including in their mucous membranes. To keep the prisoners smeared in feces required the work of many hands and a deliberate policy to keep it up.

In all three prisons, the food for the prisoners was poured directly onto the dirty floor where rats and flies ate it and left behind their feces and maggots. The food came in tough nylon bags and there were shelves in the food supply room to store it off the floor. When I ordered the guards to give the prisoners food from sealed bags, two of the prison C.O.s independently said it was against orders from the Pentagon. When I called the Pentagon and asked to speak to who made that policy, I was connected to Rumsfeld's office, but he refused to speak to me or call me back.

The Intentional Denial of Nutritious Food:

The only food that the prisoners were allowed, even if I or the Red Cross tried to give them food, was that bagged formula. Like dog food, it was supposed to supply all their nutritional needs. No fruits, vegetables, or left overs were allowed added to their diet. The formula looked gray, and tasted so vile that I was unable to swallow a single mouthful of it. It was full of grit and sawdust and hurt the inside of my mouth to chew it. All the prisoner's intestines were chronically inflamed as documented at surgeries for other problems. Later at the CIA, I discovered it was specially formulated for the US govt. to cause "prisoner compliance" by denying them essential nutrition that they needed ,but "that would not later be detectable by Red Cross physicians". However, the 8 Red Cross physicians, (7 from Germany) had quickly figured out from examining patients that they were nutritionally impaired. They were thin, grayish, and had healed previous injuries poorly. Plus, some children had the usual signs of protein malnutrition.

The guards said that the prisoners were not being starved, that they were allowed to eat all they liked. I challenged them to eat "all they liked of it". They ate none of it. The prisoners were being denied adequate calories and nutrition by being feed it only once a day, by not being allowed time to eat, and by being yelled at and harassed while trying to eat. They were also being tortured en masse by that food every day which damaged the inside of the body from mouth to anus. It was also psychological torture because it put the prisoner into a double bind. They were supposed to feel responsible for their own suffering from their gripping abdominal pain, if they ate enough not to starve. And they were supposed to feel responsible for their starvation, if they were unable to eat enough of it to sustain their body's needs for calories.

At the CIA I discovered that the formula was designed to give people chronic pain and kill people eventually by starvation, intestinal rupture, and dehydration due to diarrhea. That the formula did not succeed in fulfilling its advertised to the CIA 50% mortality in 6 months, was perhaps another case of false advertising. Other identically labeled bags were filled with Grape-nuts and were to be dispensed, if the Red Cross showed up. I included samples of both bags, product information and the LD50 (dose of an added substance to get 50% of subjects to die) studies as part of my documentation. The substance added to cause the 50% death rate was a chemical. That is, while the Nazi death camps killed people quickly and visibly in gas chambers, the US death camps killed people slowly and invisibly from diarrhea-appearing illness. The Pentagon did know that the food was laced with a chemical poison. I included documentation that the Pentagon issued warning to make sure that the food was not sold on the black market for use in cattle. I also included documentation that the Pentagon had compensated a farmer in a case that that had happened in the US for the loss of his herd. I also included CIA analysts's reports discussing the choice of the formula and the results that the US prisons were getting using it. Suffering and death were the intended consequences, not unintended "side effects".

The Intentional Denial of Medical Care:

Prisoners were denied medical care by a numerous mechanisms that were in place at all three prisons. Because it was hard for us as physicians to believe that prisoners with festering wounds had not asked for medical care, we asked them "When was the first time you asked for medical care of that wound?" Many prisoners independently told us "Never." When we asked them again independently why, they always said the same thing "Because then we will be tortured into 'not requesting medical care' ".

In addition, as I have stated already, the guards were verbally instructed not to bring any prisoners to the infirmary, unless the prisoners were dead already. Occasionally, that rule was not followed because guards were new or unable to follow it for a variety of reasons, including their conscience.

The medical care for the prisons was set up from the start to deny the prisoners care. An ordinary physician treating ambulatory patients in a clinic can only treat about 1,500 patients, even if they apply themselves to it diligently 80 hours a week and refer all the long and difficult cases to the specialists. Because the prison physician was required to drive to another prison each day he lost much of each day to driving. Yet the Pentagon had assigned only 1 physician to care for over 8,000 prisoners and he also had the care of the guards. The guards got the care, the prisoners could not, given their sheer numbers. Although it appeared that he was assigned to take care of prisoners, given the driving and the care of the guards which took precedence, his job was designed to make sure that prisoners could not get medical care! When I asked guards at Abu Ghraib prison how many prisoners the physician usually saw when he came, the guard said, "None. We are here to kill Iraqis, not to treat them."

In fact, there had been no physician assigned to come to those prisons since that physician had died the day after the Abu Ghraib pictures hit the newsstands, over 3 weeks before. A memos from Rumsfeld's office stated that it was not "cost effective" to send out a physician to any of those prisons, unless the C.O. requested one. It was a devious way for Rumsfled to deny the prisoners medical care while pretending that it was up to the prison C.O.'s to secure it.

In the cases where medical care was given, it was usually given it a way that made it completely ineffective. For example, patients with life-threatening infections were given only 2 days of an oral antibiotic such as penicillin. Treatment was also often given in such a way to cause the person a worsening of their pain, suffering, and condition, sometimes even killing them. For example, the physician treated coma due to dehydration by injecting 100cc of a strong salt solution into a muscle. That too strong salt caused intense burning pain and actually destroyed the muscle tissue. The patient woke up and cried out for water, even thirstier than before. Many prisoners cried in front on me remembering the last time that they are been in the infirmary and tied in a bed desperate for water, able to see the tap, but denied water from it. They showed me the places that they had been injected with the too strong salt solutions. The muscles were destroyed wherever that happened; a dent where was left in its place the size of a fist. A therapeutic injection of a medicine into a large muscle is limited to 10 cc because it hurts too much otherwise, even if it is the right strength of saline. But the physician had injected small muscles, intentionally crippling a person's leg or hand. Patients who had dehydrated losing more water than salt, such as from diarrhea and sweating, would be killed by from such an injection
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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2008, 06:48:00 AM »
Anyone who watches "Taxi To The Dark Side" can have no doubt that prisoners were tortured, sometimes to death--and the orders came from the very top:  Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld

Also Google:  ACLU autopsy reports

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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2008, 08:26:44 AM »
IT GETS WORSE:

Here is another example;

A child of 3 originally X-rayed for a broken leg couldn't walk later due to the bone's misalignment. As was documented by the subsequent X-rays, the other leg was then broken with many broken fragments sticking through the skin, like it had been smashed with a hammer. A cast had then been put on over an open wound. Doing that is well known to cause an abscess and is medical malpractice. The child died 8 weeks later without the Abu Ghraib prison physician ever seeing the child again to check the leg; the cast should have been removed at 6 weeks. In short, the physician had turned a simple fracture of one leg, into a fracture of both legs and then killed the child by casting an open wound.

It was hard to avoid the obvious conclusion that the physician, instead of trying to help the patients was trying to torture and kill them. It was as if he was an active member of the torture team and not a physician to help prisoners at all. Part of the point was clearly to make sure that prisoners did not request medical care. Another part of it was to deny them all hope.

There was deliberately no oversight of the physicians in the US prisons by even military physicians at Walter Reed where substandard care was the rule; the Pentagon intended them to provide torture cleverly disguised as medical care. I did run across a manual on how to torture prisoners using variations of standard medical “treatment”, in that physician's files, and submitted it with my report. It was a manual supplied to him with a memo from Rumsfeld's office that was addressed to all US military physicians working in the prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Intentional Infliction of Wounds: Also see www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/16/wtort16.xml for independent confirmation.

I spent my first hour at Abu Ghraib Prison examining corpses, as the guards could bring me no patient clean enough to examine. They were piled in a trench inside the compound near the infirmary. Four out of the 7 corpses I examined had died of untreated infections! The guards felt so safely shielded from prosecution (even after the scandal), that they did not even bother to tell me a cover story, such as another prisoner had done it or there had been a terrorist attack at the prison. That was a damning indictment of the authorities above them showing that they were not disciplining the guards for the mutilation and murder of prisoners, because they were in accord with it. As I documented that the corpses died due to the guard's violence, a guard grabbed me from behind and pressing a knife to my neck had hissed "You're next". The prison C.O. gave him what amounted to no disciplinary action at all for threatening my life in what amounted to a mock execution. The C.O. of Abu Gharib prison told me that whoever was the most vicious would win. He was unable to give me a good reason why, in spite of the US torturing to death 20,000 to 40,000 Vietnamese in Operation Phoenix, most of them innocent civilians, that the US had lost the war.

The rest of this section is gory and should be skipped by some. Another had died of strangulation by human hands, as judged by the marks on his neck. Another had a leg cut off and and had bled to death (no surgical notes in his chart, no anesthesia given, the recovered leg showed no signs of disease). Another corpse was missing a head. His file had entries "bloody discharge from penis", "bloody nose", and "bloody ears" at intervals over some months ( no notes of medical care). I went back to examine his corpse, and noticed that due to the stench I had missed that his penis had been half cut off and then healed over. By then I was wising up. I dug further down and found the head which indeed was missing part of the nose and both ears. One wound had festered through the skull and into the brain. Suspecting that he died in a coma, I tested that hypothesis by saying to the guards "At least he didn't die in pain." The guards then laughed and said he was unconscious for 2 days and his head stunk so bad that a guard had cut it off and thrown it in the trench. They said that it was three days before the rest of the body was removed from that cell with other prisoners in it, and that was why the head was buried deeper. Another prisoner had been killed by an axe taken to his head; the axe was also recovered.

We documented the horrendous torture of prisoners as we treated their wounds and performed surgery. The rape and sodomy of women and children had caused rectal and vaginal tears in them ( for independent documentation also see "Rape and Torture Rampant in [US run] Iraq Prisons" at http://www.antiwar.com/orig/croke.php?articleid=3645 and "US Silent on Torture of Children [in Iraq] at " http://www.antiwar.com/orig/croke.php?articleid=3286). The injuries that we documented are so horrific that it is very hard to write them in this report. They had been viciously stabbed, cut, maimed, had bones broken, or shot, etc.

In the third prison the injuries the German Red Cross documented and treated (using hospital style surgery) included;

1. A girl of about age 5 was attacked and the blows with what was probably an axe had taken out a wedge of flesh where the shoulder met the neck. She required chest surgery to remove a section of the lung which had been damaged. 2. A young Iraqi woman was found bloody and unconscious in the closet in the guard's sleeping area where prisoners were not allowed. Her belly had been cut open, the German surgeons said that she had been 4 months pregnant per examination of her torn open womb. I recovered the cut up fetus from a trash can. Despite heroic efforts, the young woman expired on the operating table. 3. A man in his forties who had been stabbed in the groin by guards and left bleeding. 4. A man in his seventies was found in a coma behind a dumpster. He had been stabbed in the belly and had a festering wound. Prisoners were not allowed in the dumpster enclosure which was well fenced in, so he must have been placed there by the guards, probably to deny him medical care. 5. A man in his forties shot in the back with a shattered scapula, a collapsed lung who was gasping for air in a moribund state. He was found by the German Red Cross near the fence but inside it, laying face down. The guard who shot him hours earlier had not tried to get him medical care, but had left him there to die. No note had been made in the prison record regarding the shooting incident. 6. The German Red Cross treated many other people at that prison after I left that did not make it into my report. In order to get into the prison with me they had told the US govt. that their findings would not go to the Red Cross.

In the second prison the injuries I and an Iraqi surgeon in the Red Crescent examined/treated (using quick MASH-style surgery) included:

1. An 11-year-old boy who had a rectal tear from sodomy and a stab wound to the belly and peritonitis. His injuries were due to the two hours that he had spent in the US's air--conditioned interrogation room the day before. He was found in a coma; without surgery that day, he would have died. 2. An older woman about 60 years old had a fistula track in her belly draining liquid feces and causing her dehydration chronically. Her injury was the result of a guard hitting her belly with a something like a rock hammer which pierced her belly and a single loop of her intestines about 2 weeks before. 3. A woman about thirty years old was 8 months pregnant but we could hear no fetal heart beats. I counted 8 stab wounds to her belly. The surgeon said she had been stabbed 10 times, two times through the vagina. The baby was dead in her womb. She was delirious with fever, moaning, and in shock. 4. An Egyptian journalist in his late 20's had captured US war crimes on camera and was being held as an Iraqi and moved from prison to prison to hide him from his news service. The CIA had tried to convince him that he had hallucinated the US war crimes by mind controlling him and planting false stories and a bullet under his skin behind his ear. He had not been convinced and continued to ask for his freedom. Guards had stabbed him with a sharpened broom handle in the belly and pierced his liver causing many abscesses behind it and at the base of the lung. 5. A man in his late 60's had gangrene of a leg. The gangrene was the result of torture in which his leg was progressively hacked off slowly. There were no medical notes in his chart--no anesthesia had been administered. He required a proper surgical amputation of his leg. 6. A girl child of age 2 had been raped about the day before by US soldiers in front of her mother. Her injury was a tear in the vagina that split into the rectum. The child looked gray and close to death from sepsis due to the peritonitis. The surgeon was undeterred by her critical condition and started the surgery. He was able to reconstruct her vagina and rectum and she did pull through by the grace of God. 7. A girl of about 6 had a rectal tear that went into the buttock's muscle, and made a grand canyon in it. Hundreds of eye-witness prisoners that seen what caused the injury. Those questioned separately said the injury was made by inserting a knife into the rectum that was tied to a rope and then to a car. The knife with the sudden acceleration of the car had fractured her pelvic bone and cut through her buttocks on one side. It was a deliberate and savage cruelty that is difficult to even recount. The injury was fresh, having happened that morning before I arrived, or she would not have lived.

In the Abu Gharib prison the injuries I treated (using "do the best one can under the circumstances in the time allotted" methods) included;

1. A woman in her forties had a festering wound that had eaten away half of one breast. The wound was made by a guard driving a sharpened broom handle through her breast. 2. A male prisoner at Abu Gharib was missing his left arm and his right hand was dangling as it was missing forearm bone. He said that guards wielding an axe had done that to him. 3. Another woman at Abu Gharib was incontinent of stool following a gang rape by guards and then by sharp objects. Examination showed that the wall between the vagina and rectum was missing due to it being torn out by those objects. Her previous treatment in the prison had consisted of two days of antibiotics. Then she had had a fever for weeks and no more antibiotics were given--a physician was never phoned for her. 4. Another woman had a fistula hole in her neck that drained food out when she ate. She had been stabbed in the neck by a guard and managed to survive. 5. A man about 30 years old with a fistula tract from his intestines after being stabbed in the belly by an ice pick. 6. An 11-year-old girl at Abu Gharib prison had syphilis secondary to rape by the guards. I treated about 25 other people for syphilis at Abu Ghraib Prison, most of them guards and children age 6-12.

In all three prisons, there were numerous people with festering wounds of their genitalia, esp. where one or more testicles had been violently removed. At Abu Ghraib Prison, methods of removal included knife wounds (about 3), gun shot wound (1), and bites (about 7).

The White House Sexual Torture Protocols:

In the files of all three prisons there were torture protocols with clarification memos from the White House on how to apply them. Those protocols were designed to maximize the viciousness on the premise that that was how to win. They are very hard for me to bring myself to speak about, because I didn't want to believe that my country could have such torture protocols that included intentionally doing things like crushing a child's testicles, and worse. The violent injuries that we as physicians had observed, that denied people the ability to reproduce later, were specified in those White House clarifications on its stationery. The first part of each White House clarification memo started with referring to an executive order and was obtuse and signed by President Bush, Jr.. Below that was the operational meaning as to how it should be applied to torture people. I was able to prove from within the CIA, that the operational meaning was on the memos before they left the White House, and not added later. That is consistent with the chief architect of the Bush legal policy, John Yoo, publicly stating that the Bush Administration reserved the right to torture innocent children, including by crushing their testicles. Given the raw language in which they were phrased, I believed that Cheney had written the lower parts of them, as I had previous heard him swear at me when I was a negotiator between him and Tenet over 9-11 blame. However, some of the torture protocol pages had a Skull and Bones emblem on them suggesting another source. Skull and Bones rituals include such things as "Cremation of Care", human sacrifice, and sodomy as a way to control others, per voluminous documentation and videos available within the CIA. The CIA was initially formulated by a Skull and Bonesman Robert Lovett, and many of the early leaders in it, as well as the first appointed DCI Dulles, were members of it. The CIA answered the questions of Skull and Bonesmen that called it for information, and put almost everyone else on 20 year or permanent hold. Skull and Bones was started in 1832 by a drug, slave, and weapon-running pirate and the CIA has continued in the same lines of work, though it tries to have adequate plausible deniability of those facts (see books such as White-out, Dark Alliance, Barry and the Bones, and the C-SPAN segment on Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney confronting Rumsfeld on the missing trillions of dollars and the sex-slave running done by DynCo and Halliburton http://netctr.com/911exposed.html ). Bush, Sr., Bush, Jr., Clinton, and Kerry were all members of Skull and Bones. All three C.O.s of those prisons were members of the "extended Skull and Bones" membership which included Bohemian Grove members and thus most recent Presidents. A review within the CIA showed that essentially all of the C.O.'s US prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan were members of that extended death and destruction cult. I saw with my own eyes, the satanic altars of two of the three C.O.s. of those prisons. In order to become "one of our kind" as the C.O. of the Abu Gharib prison put it, "graduates" had to prove that they were able to mutilate, torture, and kill other prisoners without a conscience. Those tests that they had to pass where done in front of guards and photographed by them, as evidenced by the photos that I found in their files. I was unable to find documentation of crimes committed by prisoners against other prisoners in the C.O.'s files in two prisons. It appeared that virtually all of the crime was intended by the prison authorities. All of the injuries that we saw as physicians were in accord with the White House Torture Memos that I included in my report. In all three prisons, there were men missing testicles with festering wounds where the testicles had been. It was impossible to tell after the fact by medical exam whether the testicles had been crushed before being violently ripped out. Those prisoners who were willing to tell me what had happened to their testicle(s) told me stories that I personally am unwilling to inflict on the reader to even hear about.

The Heinous Crimes of the Mind Control Slaves that the US Govt. Made in Iraq:

In her Salon interview, General Karpinsky categorically stated that no prisoners were never released from any of the prisons under her command. That was not what the files inside the CIA said. I looked at the files of the "graduates" from the Abu Ghraib "School of Torture". The CIA was using them as assassins, as politicians, as death squads, and as insurgents! They trained them in camps that they said were Al-Queada Camps. The CIA had been unable to find Al-Queada in Iraq under Hussein, so the CIA had to make Al-Queada camps and agents to try to tie the Iraq War into 9-11. In one case, a graduate of Abu Gharib--- on the CIA's orders---went and blew himself up next to the Green Zone in Baghdad. They did that to be able to justify putting it a new large permanent fortress in the Green Zone. It worked, Congress gave the funding. In another case, the CIA sent one of its graduates to stir up more sectarian violence by blowing himself up in a Mosque that was used by only one sect. Another graduate of Abu Ghraib, they sent to murder an Iraqi politician that they didn't like and wanted his death blamed on sectarian violence. In another case, the graduate raped women in a village to blame in on a particular sect. The CIA then picked him up quickly and killed him so he couldn't ever talk about having been in Abu Ghraib prison and how it had been programmed to rape women in response to triggers that the CIA provided.

US Prison Aftermath:

It was the Rumsfeld's responsibility to make sure that the prisons had medical services set up to supply care to prisoners and did so in a timely and effective way to met their medical needs. That he did not do so is a war crime from which many prisoners died. After I handed in my report, the US Administration did know about the conditions in the prison, as proven by information within the CIA. That Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, did not fire Mr. Rumsfled at that time but left him in place was an intentional decision on their part. Having not fired him, they were directly responsible, if the conditions in those prisons were not corrected. As a two-star general , I out-ranked the C.O.s of those prisons and wrote emergency corrective orders that they had no authority to over-ride. Since I had no command responsibility for those prisons, I was unable to exert any authority over them after making my initial report to the proper authorities above me. After I left, the prisoners were again systematically denied clean water, nutritious non-harmful food, and medical care. That did not happen by chance, and deserves thorough investigation. Reports from within the CIA showed that as late as Aug. 2004, after Tenet was replaced that those conditions were not corrected. That DCI Tenet, and Acting DCI McLaughlin, both did not expose those conditions, I take to mean that they were the policy of those in the US Administration. When the US Administration failed to replace Rumsfeld or anyone those in the chain of command above the level of those three prison C.O.s, they were "signing off" on the fact that they were in complete accord with the denial of clean water, adequate food, and medical care to those prisoners.

Christ never said to torture, crush people's testicles, rape, and kill people to steal their resources. He said to feed the poor, cloth the naked, heal the sick, and visit the prisoners to care for their needs. He said that whatsoever you do to those people, you have done to me.

There is no doubt that the US Administration has ordered sexual torture; it has ordered sexual humiliation and water-boarding (see "Hypocritical Oath: Psychologists and Torture" at http://www.alternet.org/story/53364/). It has also spread much disinformation. Water-boarding in actual practice straps a person to a board, submerses their head under water until they pass out/seize. I know because that was done to me 20 times in a row---each time was severe life threatening torture. Also, much of the US Administration-ordered-torture of me and other MKULTRA-type survivors and Iraqi/Afghan prisoners involved rape or sodomy. Part of the evidence on the Abu Ghraib Scandal that the Pentagon did not show you was a video of a US official sodomizing an Iraqi boy of about age 12. These sexual torture techniques were developed at the CIA under Operation MK-ULTRA which funded 80 institutions of higher learning to figure out how to mind control individuals and populations. Those methods have been used widely against US citizens and the US population at large to brainwash them into giving up their Constitution and their human rights. Since the US government has not upheld the Geneva Conventions and the UN Convention Against Torture (both of which it ratified and were meant to be applied even if ones's country were about to be defeated by acts of terror against it), the US Govt. forfieted its right to hold detainees or prisoners at all (see International Law Scholar Scott Horton's "Bush Team Revives Nazi Legal Ruses--Condemned at Nuremberg" at www.new-fed.com/other/interviews/2005/3204scott_horton.html ).

Please request a copy of my report of the medical conditions of US held Iraqi prisoners; the US Administration, Pentagon, and CIA have keep it secret. That was true even though Tenet declassified the report and the supporting documents as not being a risk to national security. Please demand an investigation into the US prisons and make sure that the prisoners are all treated up to the standards of the Geneva Conventions. Please demand that the Red Cross have access to all sections of each prison and are allowed to do unannounced inspections of them immediately when they arrive. Please demand Mr. Bush explain what torture he has authorized; by method, the names of those to whom it is being applied, and the names of the judges that ruled that as their appropriate sentence, and the names of the international court judges that supplied a waiver for the US to use torture. Demand an end to all torture, including by the CIA and proxy forces, it is being used to torture mainly innocent people to control populations and people against their will.

More on the US Torture Memos:

The US tortures prisoners even outside of fixed prison locations. Special Forces (Sp. F.), starting under Rumsfeld, tortured "suspects" in the field. Since I was giving briefings at the Pentagon on CIA acquired data in Iraq and Afghanistan, I was privy to what those Sp. F. were doing and it was pretty unspeakable. So, I did know before I got out to those 3 prisons that the US was engaged in sexual torture, mutilation, sodomy, and rape, and not just of "suspects" either. Unfortunately, what we were seeing at the CIA was that 98% of the time the Sp. F. men said they were "interrogating a subject" were just sexually torturing and raping people for the sadistic pleasure of it.

I know of not a single instance in which valuable intelligence was gained through torture that we didn't already have better and more complete data on from other means. When the CIA study authorized by Tenet compared non-violent data collection to harsh collection, the non-violent methods were shown to be vastly superior. Torture is never justified, because it is never the best method for anything one wants to accomplish - unless you are just a sadist trying to make people suffer.

I was training Sp. F. men for the Defense Intelligence Agency in how to collect intelligence. That training occurred at DIA Headquarters and in the field in Iraq. I am hardly a naive person, having been in war zones collecting intelligence since during the Vietnam War. Still, I was shocked to see US soldiers torturing and mutilating civilians in the field. In this case, I was collecting intelligence after a US battle 5 days before with a group of about 12 Sp. F. men. I had explained that we were only here to collect intelligence and not to fire any weapons, particularly since they make noise and we were very much outnumbered by the remnants of this rural village. Several of the men had gone out of my view for a several minutes. As I quickly came up behind them, I saw that they had a village girl of about age 14 on the ground with her skirt up. Those who don't want to read gory material should skip to the next paragraph. She was bleeding from her private parts and the handle of a knife was protruding from her vaginal area. I carefully removed the knife with my fingers inserted against the blade and applied pressure to stop her bleeding.

I was furious. First off, she needed to have surgery in a hospital. And second, their unprovoked action was going to bring the village down upon us and rightfully so.

A soldier said to me, "We do this all the time. It serves the c**ts right."

After I got her into a hospital, I then ordered a court martial of the soldiers involved. The US Army refused to try them! They said the soldiers were in the heat of combat. When I called them on that, the CID (Criminal Investigation Division) investigator then gave me another story about following orders. Under pressure from me, they quoted me an order number. It referred to an order in a memo that Rumsfeld had written. The memo said, "F**k them sterile, by any and all means available-Rumsfeld"

CIA handwriting experts averred that it was his signature. I then asked the CIA secretary dealing with filing Pentagon memos to pull all such memos for me to see ASAP. She came back to me in tears later and said that it was impossible--there were too many of them.

I asked to see those that she had pulled before getting overwhelmed. She had a pile of memos scattered across half a desk-- about 50 of them in total. It was not the numbers of them but what they said that had traumatized her.

I then looked in the Pentagon memo files myself. The Pentagon is a male domain, and woman hating is nothing new. But the sheer volume of it in the official memos was staggering. I then called up a Pentagon general and asked him how the memos had gotten like that. He said to me "You should see the ones we get from the White House." He refused to answer how long it had been going on. I then went up a floor to the White House memo section to pull their memos to the Pentagon.

I started back at Carter and pulled some for each Presidency. The memos from the Reagan era were relatively normal until about the middle of his second term. Then it was as if the memos to the Pentagon became Texas swearing at a rodeo under Bush, Sr., ranchy jazz under Clinton, and city rap under Bush, Jr..

I then called up a military historian at West Point and asked him to find me an expert on swearing in military memos. He laughed knowingly and said he would. The military historian who called back asked me never to find out his name or track his number--he was seriously frightened about what I would ask him about and already thought he knew. He was right. He said that of the current plunge into the gutter it was an anti-intellectual trend that originated in Texas to prove that one was not effeminate.

He said that Texas military men had a tradition of swearing up a storm even in official orders. He confessed that some had lost battles as a result when their inferiors mistook their meaning as swear words are often non-specific. Well, I suppose he said all that to make me feel better--I sincerely doubted that women should be degraded and have knives put in inappropriate places just so that men could feel like men.

I called back the CID investigator and said I wanted to file a complaint against swearing in memos. He said it wasn't possible. I filed a complaint instead with the Joint Chiefs of Staff since they were making me attend one of their meetings a month. I said that I would not attend again until they cleaned up their language so that I could have a CIA secretary pull memos for me without having a nervous breakdown from reading them. They agreed.

But the next week, I was told to report to Rumsfeld in his office. And when I did he ordered me arrested and tortured in the basement for trying to file a complaint about the memos!

That torture that he personally ordered included rape, sodomy, oral rape with a feces coated penis, and electrical shocks to my private parts almost non-stop for 2 days. I really did know that the US Administration was using sexual torture. They said in their memos to use it. They used the language of those who degrade woman and humans. And they did it in practice. But I didn't think that it was a Texas thing, I thought it was a Skull and Bones Satanist thing.

Even after being tortured again, I went to pull the memos that said "Knife the c**ts". I wanted to find out who at the White House, if anyone, had ordered that. In the White House memo archives, I had to write on the request form that I wanted the memos pulled that said "Knife the c**ts". The CIA secretary frowned at me when she saw that. She called her supervisor over who was a man. I asked him to find me those memos. About 10 minutes later he came back with three of them and asked me how many more of them I needed. I arbitrarily said , "4 more, thank you." He came back with them shortly. I asked him how many had come up on his computer screen and he said "Over 20." I asked him to pull me the first one as well, which he did.

5 of them were signed by Cheney. One was signed by a Sec. of Defense, and 2 by Bush, Jr. Well, I had my answer as to why I couldn't get those Sp. F. men court-martialed.

In a later occasion, I was collecting intelligence by myself when I came upon Sp. F. men were torturing Iraqi men behind a wall.

Gory: They had about 4 men tied by their wrists over the top of the wall hanging from it. They were using their cigarette lighters on their private parts. They had their male membranes brown with feces hanging out of their pants since they had already sodomized them. (Later I got those Iraqis to a physician. One had third degree burns on his testicles. Another had a deep wound in his penis where it had been sliced with a knife. Another had a torn rectum. The fourth one died-likely from a ruptured rectum.)

The Sp. F. men said that they were just following orders. I told them to let those men down gently immediately. They objected saying "We are getting them to talk!" I asked them what actionable intelligence they had gotten. They didn't even have a translator. I was pissed. I ordered them to release the Iraqis. They said they were insurgents.

I asked them why they believed that and they said, "Well, they are here in Iraq, aren't they?" Another said "Hey cool it, we just wanted to have some fun with them." I asked him if he thought it was fun to be tortured. He said, "Hey, baby, let me try it on you and find out." I called their commander and reported their actions and asked for them to be disciplined.

He said, "Hell, no, they bring me valuable intelligence." I asked him what intelligence they had ever brought him and he had acted on. And he said, "Where to buy beer."

At CIA, I looked up to see what intelligence those Sp. F. men of Rumsfeld were collecting that was useful. Zero. They never even asked for a translator. They just went around terrorizing Iraqis for the sadist pleasure it gave them and their superiors to read about it. They filed reports and they got bonuses, if someone liked to read them. Cheney gave one of them a bonus one time, and Rumsfeld another. They would make up stories like "We captured a high level Al Queada operative today". But there was absolutely nothing in the report to substantiate that. All that was submitted with those reports were photos of the people being tortured, including small kids--they were the Abu Ghraib photos--"look what we are doing for you" bragging to their superiors. I tried to get them court-martialed too.

CID said, "Forget it--we ain't never going to take a report down again from what you say. We have orders not to." They faxed me the order to my CIA office: "Instructors of Sp. F., will not file reports against them, but report all misconduct to me in person--Rumsfeld." ie "Report it and I will have you tortured again".

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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2008, 08:55:06 AM »
   This is probably just the tip of the iceberg.   Here is what happens to our own people in prisons here in the US:

Part 1 (requires account due to graphic violence :/) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgJcVUfWi8

   I cant imagine the BS going on over there in the name of "spreading democracy".   Most of thge people over there
doing this will come back to the US and get jobs as police or correctional officers.  Even psychologists are being used
at Guantanamo Bay to learn peoples personal fears so they may be exploited by interrogators.  Kind of a
"custom tailored torture session".  The people doing this are not just sick and twisted...they are pathetic excuses for human beings.

   These are folks you see at the grocery store, at the bank, waiting outside your childs school, even working as police.

Do you have enough food on hand to feed your family for a year?

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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2008, 09:02:13 AM »
... snip for length...

It is designed not to leave physical scars, but to leave such bad mental scars that the person will not be able to have a will left to resist with, and to be so bizarre and overwhelming that even hearing what happened will force the hearer into denial.

...snip for length...

I KNOW that this is true. I was tortured (not by the CIA) as a child, and I've watched the "shutdown of the listener" many, many times. This is why, while a part of me resists the whole mind control thing, another part of me knows... because as a child, I tried several times to run away and get back to those who had assaulted me so many times. They had killed my mother in a most brutal fashion, and I was convinced (by their words) that they would do it to anyone who tried to take me away from them. Imagine that, a 7 year old desperate to get back to people who had tortured her... in order to protect the people who now had her.

Sometimes when I read this stuff, I wonder for a few vague moments if I was actually supposed to end up as one of these people, but I was allowed to escape because my memory was far too clear. I did NOT go into amnesia, though my brother did.

Eerily, the totures described by the doctor the CIA tortured are familiar to me, memories I've carried and fought to overcome for my entire life. Repeated deaths and resuscitations, not the electrical torture, though. I was, however, beaten with electrical cords. I also witnessed atrocities committed on my fellow foster children.  I have always simply assumed that the family story of why they were the way they were was the truth. Now, I occassionally wonder. They were quite brutal to all the foster children, and not all of them were family, so... *shrug* Maybe they were being paid by, or were even directly working for, the CIA or a similar agency.

As terrible as it might sound, I was really excited to hear about the possibility that the "uncovered memories" of Satanic ritual abuse in the UK might have been subliminally planted and not real.. I started telling myself that MY memories weren't real, either. Until, that is, someone informed me that you have to remember AFTER a hypnosis session, and not have remembered them all along. I was able to relate to these stories and think that mine weren't real, either; because some of my memories are of ritualistic sexual abuse.

I have always considered my perfect memory to be a curse, but having learned what I have about these mind control programs, and now having read this article about the amnesic condition they are attempting to create and maintain... I'm considering the possibility that maybe it's not as great a curse as I had first thought. Possibly it saved me from something far worse.
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« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2008, 09:12:45 AM »
    I know for  fact that ritual abuse occurs in the US, I've met many victims, and they were labeled as "delusional"
so their statements would be considered a mental illness and not a legitimate allegation.  Its out there every day.
Do you have enough food on hand to feed your family for a year?

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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2008, 09:42:31 AM »
Pheonix Renewed   -  Words can't express my sorrow and distress of what you have been through.

NO ONE should go through any of this unutterable woe.

If you do a search of the author of the article ,sue arrigo, you might come up with the facts that she also was a tramua induced mind control subject.  Brice taylor  -   http://educate-yourself.org/lte/moreonmarkphillips22dec03.shtml  wrote on the subject from first hand knowledge.

You will find satanic ritual abuse seems to go hand in hand with the catholic church -  http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/index1.html     i think its the june 3 episode but not sure.

there is more to the sue arrigo article documenting the prez. v.p.  memos.  this has been posted on this forum more than a few times.

The Sexual Torture and Mind Control of Govt. Officials and Their Relatives Around the World:

In the course of my normal duties in collecting intelligence, I stumbled upon the US sexually torturing civilains for political purposes. I was in Baghdad at a US Embassy party to meet with an Iraqi official. The CIA wanted me to find out from him, if he was amenable to a certain US proposal. Since I had been a negotiator for the CIA in Russian affairs, I had been picked for this job by the CIA without asking me first what I thought of the proposal. I thought that the proposal was about the worst thing that I had ever seen in intelligence in my nearly forty years in it.

At this meeting that I had with the Iraqi minister, in a private sitting room, he mentioned that he would be willing to support that atrocious US proposal that sold his country out to the US oil companies for as long as there was oil in the ground, if I personally was willing to clear up a problem for him. It was not a minor problem. It was in essense to secure his place in Iraqi's government by devious means irrespective of elections. I had no doubt that the US govt. was willing to make that deal---I was not. He wanted me personally to guarantee his position, because he did not trust the US govt. not to double-cross him. It had double-crossed not just Kurds, and other rebelling minorities, but almost everyone in Iraq at least three times over--just to lord their dependent and helpless positions over them. In that way, the US govt. was acting much as it does domestically to deny workers job security, pension security, and health care on the premise that making others insecure made them more controlable. The minister was not asking me to be minister for the rest of his life, but just to have an ordinary job in govt. all his life so that he could support his family. It was not at all an unreasonable request, and I would have been glad to work towards that, had it not made everyone in his country the equivalent of an economic slave to the oil companies. So, I told him that I would be willing to work to make all Iraqis economically secure and convey his concerns to the US govt. He gripped my hand frantically and said to me, "Please I beg you. Consider my family. Help us." I explained to him that I could not make all Iraqi's slaves to the US govt. just to help him. I told him as we parted to try to be strong and do as good a job for the people of Iraq for as long as he did have a job. He asked me to predict how long that would be, and I said, "Four months, Allah willing." We parted and he stayed in the room a little longer to do his evening prayers. Many Muslims have wonderful faith in God and are very devoted.

When I returned to the party, the US Ambassador approached me and asked me how the meeting went. I told him honestly, that if the US would make people's lives secure in Iraq, that they were willing to do whatever the US asked of them. He pondered that reply while sipping some white wine that was exceptionally good that evening. I ate the canapes of aged cheese on delicately favored herb crackers made by hand by the equivalent of slave labor in the Embassy kitchen. Then I sat one back on the silver tray half eaten and said to the Ambassador, "Too bad these smell so badly that I can't eat them." He took my half eaten cracker, popped it in his mouth and said, "It is only the delicious taste of finely aged cheese that I taste." "Messier," I said lapsing into French that he was fluent in, "It is not the taste of cheese that I object to, it is the taste of slavery that I find too foul to stomach." (See related video "Hearing on US Embassy in Iraq: Mayberry's Opening" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evRPwwyno_c ). He blinked anxiously and looked around to see if anyone else had taken my meaning. Reassured that none had, he turned back to me and said as if it were a rhethorical question to which no answer was possible, "What can we as conquerors do about it?" I demonstrated that by turning my back and leaving the party while pulling gently on his hand. When we got to the gate of the Embassy, I invited him to leave with me. He declined politely and went back inside.

I later found out at the CIA, that he returned to the side room, discussed terms with the Iraq Minister and completed the devil's deal. But I fear that the Iraqi Minister was not entirely satisfied with the deal that he made with the devil that night. The US govt. decided to take one of his relatives "hostage"--they turned his wife into a mind control slave. That is, they raped, tortured, and sexually humiliated her in ways that she was forced to forget. The tapes of that mind control made their way back to the CIA. I was asked to comment on them as to whether she was suitably mind controlled and would act as the proper influence to control him by fear. I told the CIA that no one is so well mind controlled that they will reliably do what one wants and that there had been no reason to do that to her because she had already caused enough fear in her husband's mind that he had sold out. I had been told in response by Tenet, "We like to hedge our bets and cover all bases." That is, to have an extra little bit of unnecessary control over that Iraqi PM, they had been willing to rape, torture, and mentally enslave an innocent woman. I was thoroughly disgusted and outraged. It was a totally unnecessary black op--even the CIA's dept of Ops had not wanted to do it. The potential for blow-back was enormous.

I then set about discovering how this poor woman had been subjected to this degradation, as in who had proposed it and ordered it. That was not so hard for me to find out. It had been both proposed and ordered by Cheney at the White House Daily Intelligence briefing with Tenet. I listened to that briefing myself after Tenet told me about it. I wanted to find out, if Tenet had hinted at it. But that was not the case. However, that did not mean that someone else in the CIA or Tenet at another time had not hinted at that option. So, I offered a prize in the Dept. of Ops to anyone who could prove that Cheney was not the start of that op, including by claiming that they were the author of it. No one came forward to claim the $100,000 prize that I got Tenet to put up the money for.

Instead, I had several CIA operatives try to claim the prize by proving that Cheney had authored the idea. Two of them provided such complete evidence of that that Tenet paid out money for it. One man collected the handwritten notes of Cheney which showed that he had hit upon the idea to do that prior to the daily briefing with Tenet in which he ordered it. Another did an exhaustive phone analysis showing that no one had discussed the idea with Cheney prior to that by phone. As the daily briefings did not include an prior reference to that op and they had been recorded, that left an informal conversation in the hallway in which Tenet or another person could have suggested it to Cheney. So, although the evidence was not 100% conclusive, it was quite likely that Cheney was the author of that plan which the CIA was loath to do because of the dreadful risk of blow-back. That risk of blow-back included the risk that no Iraqi official would ever trust the US govt. again. That is, it risked what the oil companies did not want to risk--losing control of that oil. It risked that in order to gratify someone's urge to rape, betray, and humiliate another person when doing so ran counter to US foreign policy interests and was completely unnecessary to do.

The story along these lines is not complete yet. This was not an isolate incident. Alas! When I investigated this more thoroughly, I found that a number of wives and children of foreign leaders had been made into mind control slaves by the CIA in order to control the leader. Furthermore, the CIA operative who had brought the handwritten note of Cheney, later brought another handwritten note from Cheney which was a list of relatives of foreign leaders and check marks next to the names of those whom he had recently ordered the CIA to mind control for him. The list was up to date and corresponded to the CIA's list of already mind controlled subjects. The complete CIA list is very extensive and includes many people in foreign countries. Many leaders and candidates for important offices were on that list. It was almost a who's who of important people in the world, both foreign and domestic. Many Congressmen and their family members were on that list. If they knew what had been done Abu Ghraib style to their loved ones they would revolt against the Skull and Bones extended membership that "cremated care" in a ceremony. The damage to those individuals and to the country is infinite and can never be fully rectified. There is no way to untorture someone. Their trust in humanity has been destroyed forever at a very deep level. It is a crime against humanity on the order of killing the world's hope for a sustainable future. It is a use of torture worse than the infliction of mere pain and suffering. It is the hijacking of a person's life and a selling of their soul to the forces of darkness against their will and their control. It is a crime eternally worse than the mere murder of someone's body. It is the murder of their will and integrity. Unlike the Bourne movie's depiction of mind control, no one ever volunteers to be tortured, raped, sodomized and become a mind control slave.

How can one recognize if someone is a mind control slave? One watchs to see who their actions benefit. Those who undermine the US Constitution, the rule of law, privacy, the independence of the internet/media, and human rights are either willing traitors to the People of These United States or mind control subjects. Everyone actually does know that undermining these principles sells the world into slavery.

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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2008, 10:28:16 AM »
    I know for  fact that ritual abuse occurs in the US, I've met many victims, and they were labeled as "delusional"
so their statements would be considered a mental illness and not a legitimate allegation.  Its out there every day.

Yeah, I've listened to psychiatrists/psychologists/counselors talk about people who "make up these stories," and sat in stony silence as I listened to them, in essence, talk about me, and how what happened to me was "not possible." EVEN THEY DO NOT GET IT. I thought that training in the field of psychology would help me. Instead, I found that it attempts contiually to discredit those who have experienced atrocities or genuine, deep losses beyond that of the normal loss of family member via illness or natural death.

It's difficult to stomach the way that so many legitimate concerns are simply dismissed by psychology professionals, while they seek to treat common and easy-to-treat illnesses such as depression or neurosis with drugs.

But then again, who owns the psychology profession? The same ones that own the rest of our "medical establishment," of course.
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2008, 10:30:02 AM »
Bush is above the law. It doesn't matter what the general says.

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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2008, 10:30:00 PM »
When to many mind-control subjects starting recalling and seeking ''professional''  help.

the CIA commissioned a # of men to push the false memory theory. Ther-by making the victum a liar or the verry least delusional.

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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2008, 11:54:35 AM »
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I am currently reading this book and persoanlly know the author.  Abu is not the only place where we are having problems in the sandbox.

I talked to Vivian about Gen. Taguba.

E-mail thread with Viv...

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Hello Vivian.

Just wanted to know what your thoughts are on General Taguba?

QUOTE: Taguba got a different message, however, from other officers, among them General John Abizaid, then the head of Central Command. A few weeks after his report became public, Taguba, who was still in Kuwait, was in the back seat of a Mercedes sedan with Abizaid. Abizaid’s driver and his interpreter, who also served as a bodyguard, were in front. Abizaid turned to Taguba and issued a quiet warning: “You and your report will be investigated.”

“I wasn’t angry about what he said but disappointed that he would say that to me,” Taguba said. “I’d been in the Army thirty-two years by then, and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.”

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Oh Jason, where to begin? Abu Ghraib was a tragedy but certainly not the product of a few 'bad seed' soldiers. It wasn't surprising that Taguba was shunned for revealing the truth. Taguba was tasked with a massive job in investigating, one that he likely knew would not do good things for his career. Alas, the truth can be very ugly. Abizaid should have heeded the warning signs earlier.

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Waterboarding Got White House Nod
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CIA Tactics Endorsed In Secret Memos
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By Joby Warrick
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Wednesday, October 15, 2008; Page A01

The Bush administration issued a pair of secret memos to the CIA in 2003 and 2004 that explicitly endorsed the agency's use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding against al-Qaeda suspects -- documents prompted by worries among intelligence officials about a possible backlash if details of the program became public.

The classified memos, which have not been previously disclosed, were requested by then-CIA Director George J. Tenet more than a year after the start of the secret interrogations, according to four administration and intelligence officials familiar with the documents. Although Justice Department lawyers, beginning in 2002, had signed off on the agency's interrogation methods, senior CIA officials were troubled that White House policymakers had never endorsed the program in writing.

The memos were the first -- and, for years, the only -- tangible expressions of the administration's consent for the CIA's use of harsh measures to extract information from captured al-Qaeda leaders, the sources said. As early as the spring of 2002, several White House officials, including then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and Vice President Cheney, were given individual briefings by Tenet and his deputies, the officials said. Rice, in a statement to congressional investigators last month, confirmed the briefings and acknowledged that the CIA director had pressed the White House for "policy approval."

The repeated requests for a paper trail reflected growing worries within the CIA that the administration might later distance itself from key decisions about the handling of captured al-Qaeda leaders, former intelligence officials said. The concerns grew more pronounced after the revelations of mistreatment of detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and further still as tensions grew between the administration and its intelligence advisers over the conduct of the Iraq war.

"It came up in the daily meetings. We heard it from our field officers," said a former senior intelligence official familiar with the events. "We were already worried that we" were going to be blamed.

A. John Radsan, a lawyer in the CIA general counsel's office until 2004, remembered the discussions but did not personally view the memos the agency received in response to its concerns. "The question was whether we had enough 'top cover,' " Radsan said.

Tenet first pressed the White House for written approval in June 2003, during a meeting with members of the National Security Council, including Rice, the officials said. Days later, he got what he wanted: a brief memo conveying the administration's approval for the CIA's interrogation methods, the officials said.

Administration officials confirmed the existence of the memos, but neither they nor former intelligence officers would describe their contents in detail because they remain classified. The sources all spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not cleared to discuss the events.

The second request from Tenet, in June 2004, reflected growing worries among agency officials who had just witnessed the public outcry over the Abu Ghraib scandal. Officials who held senior posts at the time also spoke of deteriorating relations between the CIA and the White House over the war in Iraq -- a rift that prompted some to believe that the agency needed even more explicit proof of the administration's support.

"The CIA by this time is using the word 'insurgency' to describe the Iraq conflict, so the White House is viewing the agency with suspicion," said a second former senior intelligence official.

As recently as last month, the administration had never publicly acknowledged that its policymakers knew about the specific techniques, such as waterboarding, that the agency used against high-ranking terrorism suspects. In her unprecedented account to lawmakers last month, Rice, now secretary of state, portrayed the White House as initially uneasy about a controversial CIA plan for interrogating top al-Qaeda suspects.

After learning about waterboarding and similar tactics in early 2002, several White House officials questioned whether such harsh measures were "effective and necessary . . . and lawful," Rice said. Her concerns led to an investigation by the Justice Department's criminal division into whether the techniques were legal.

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http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/10/15/Bush_White_House_endorsed_torture

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/10/200810156251394497.html

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Re: Waterboarding Got White House Nod
« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2008, 06:42:24 AM »
I bet if you waterboarded cheney, you'd get the real scoops..A good dunks a no brainer for me..
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Re: General: U.S. guilty of torture
« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2008, 11:41:09 PM »
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torturingdemocracy.org — Scott Horton reports today that PBS may have refused to nationally air a controversial documentary on the use of torture by the U.S. government in order to protect its funding.
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2008, 12:04:37 AM »
Do you know what I wish? I wish more people would understand that the ONLY logical explanation for the torture was and is not a misguided concept of how to get intel which is doomed to fail but the administration is too stupid to understand. We are talking about Cheney and Rumsfeld here, they've been at this global chess game since the 60s/70s in almost all administrations or behind the scenes.

The torture is there to accomplish three things:
1) To silence some people.
2) To get false confessions to create patsies.
3) To create new enemies to fuel the unending war on terrorism.

This is completely deliberate.
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Re: Waterboarding Got White House Nod
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2008, 04:23:47 AM »
I bet if you waterboarded cheney, you'd get the real scoops..A good dunks a no brainer for me..


cosign

dunk that war criminal scum bag.

I'm not really pro-death penalty but after he confesses

Hang him (get the thickest rope possible)


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Re: Waterboarding Got White House Nod
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Senator says White House withheld CIA interrogation information
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee accused the White House on Wednesday of withholding documents that showed the Bush administration authorized the CIA to use waterboarding and other tough interrogation tactics against suspected terrorists.

Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller was reacting to a report that two White House memos, in 2003 and 2004, gave the CIA written approval to use specific interrogation techniques on al-Qaeda suspects. The memos followed an earlier Justice Department opinion that cleared the way for harsh interrogations so long as the methods did not cause intense pain similar to causing death or organ failure.

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« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2008, 07:31:38 AM »
I havent been waterboarded yet...I've been illegally handcuffed at my kitchen table, and grilled and beaten by the secret service.. but they must have forgot the waterboard.
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Now you will be able to see the documentary comming to pbs.
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  Why doesn't any of this suprise us?  Because there M-O is always the same!
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« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2008, 10:39:59 AM »


  Why doesn't any of this suprise us?  Because there M-O is always the same!

We are so used to bush commiting war crimes, it doesnt even phase us..the people of the world think we approve of all this..thats the sick part...bush should be in a cell, not the oval office.
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« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2009, 06:06:11 AM »
How the Press, the Pentagon, and Even Human Rights Groups Sold Us an Army Field Manual that (Still) Sanctions Torture


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With the Army Field Manual likely to become the new standard for interrogation, the truth behind it is more crucial than ever.

Jan 25, 2009

A January 17th New York Times editorial noted that Attorney General designate Eric Holder testified at his nomination hearings that when it came to overhauling the nation's interrogation rules for both the military and the CIA, the Army Field Manual represented "a good start." The editorial noted the vagueness of Holder's statement. Left unsaid was the question, if the AFM is only a "good start," what comes next?

The Times editorial writer never bothered to mention the fact that three years earlier, a different New York Times article introduced a new controversy regarding the rewrite of the Army Field Manual. The rewrite was inspired by a proposal by Senator John McCain to limit U.S. military and CIA interrogation methods to those in the Army Field Manual. (McCain would later allow an exception for the CIA.)

According to the Times, a new set of classified procedures proposed for the manual was "was pushing the limits on legal interrogation." Anonymous military sources called the procedures "a back-door effort" to undermine McCain's efforts at the time to change U.S. abusive interrogation techniques, and stop the torture.

A Forgotten Controversy

Over the next six months or so, a number of articles in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the L.A. Times described the course of the controversy. By mid-June 2006, the Times was reporting that, under pressure from unnamed senior generals and members of Congress (including McCain, and Senators Warner and Graham), the Pentagon was rethinking its plan to have a classified annex to the AFM, which would include a different set of interrogation rules for "unlawful combatants," like the detainees at Guantanamo. Included in the discussion about these classified procedures were, reportedly, members of the State Department and various human rights organizations.

According to an article in the L.A. Times, this latest fight over the classified procedures went back at least to mid-May 2006. The manual itself had been written at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center at Ft. Huachuca, Arizona, roughly a year earlier, and then sent to the Pentagon for further evalution. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's right-hand man, Stephen Cambone, was put in charge of its final draft. According the L.A. Times, members of Congress were "keen to avoid a public fight with the Pentagon." The announcement that the controversial and still unknown procedures might not be included in the manual was seen as a success by human rights groups.

Yet the proverbial chickens never hatched, and by early September 2006 the new Army Field Manual was finally released. The section on special interrogation procedures for "unlawful combatants" was included as a special appendix (Appendix M), and published in unclassified format. According to a L.A. Times story on September 8th, Cambone was crowing that the new Army Field Manual instructions would give interrogators "what they need to do the job." The article noted:

The new manual includes one restricted technique that will only be used on so-called unlawful combatants – such as Al Qaeda suspects -- not traditional prisoners of war.
That technique, called "separation," involves segregating a detainee from other prisoners. Military officials said separation was not the equivalent of solitary confinement and was consistent with Geneva Convention protections.

As for the proposed secrecy surrounding the new techniques, the Pentagon had decided it couldn't keep them secret forever. Senator Warner was also on record as against any classified annex to the manual.
Not long ago, I wrote about what was included in Appendix M, which purports to introduce the single technique of "separation." In fact, the Appendix M includes instructions regarding solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, and, in combination with other procedures included in the Army Field Manual, amounted to a re-introduction of the psychological torture techniques practiced at Guantanamo, and taught by Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape, or SERE psychologists and other personnel at the Cuban base and elsewhere.

The rewrite of the Army Field Manual included other seemingly minor changes. It introduced dubious procedures, such as the "False Flag" technique, wherein interrogators could pretend they were from another country. It also redefined the meaning of "Fear Up," a procedure meant to exploit a prisoner's existing fears under imprisonment. Now, interrogators could create "new" fears. The AFM rewrite was a masterpiece of subterfuge and double talk, which could only have been issued from the offices of Rumsfeld and Cambone.

One would think this turnaround of the Pentagon's position regarding a removal of these controversial procedures would have been a matter of some note. But there was no protest from Congress, no mention of the past controversy in the press, and only vague comments at first and then acceptance by human rights organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Only Physicians for Human Rights protested the inclusion of the techniques listed in Appendix M. For the rest ... silence.

DoD Rolls Out the New Model

On September 6, 2006, a news briefing was held by the Department of Defense, as part of the unveiling of the new Army Field Manual, in conjunction with the then-new Defense Department Directive for Detainee Programs (DoD Directive 2310.01E). Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Detainee Affairs Cully Stimson and Army Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence (G-2) Lt. Gen. John Kimmons were the DoD presenters.

Much of the belief that the AFM provides an improvement over previous policies of the Department of Defense is likely due to a confusion between the two documents introduced that summer of 2006, the new Detainee Program Directive and the new Army Field Manual.

DoD Directive 2310.10E made a number of changes in regards to detainee operations and management. It made clear that "All persons subject to this Directive shall observe the requirements of the law of war, and shall apply, without regard to a detainee's legal status, at a minimum the standards articulated in Common Article 3 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949..." The same type of language appears in the text of the Army Field Manual itself.

During the press briefing on September 6, and a different one the next day for the foreign press, reporters were not so easily fooled.

One unnamed reporter at the DoD briefing challenged Lt. Gen. Kimmons on the "single standard" issue:

Q: General, why was the decision made to keep these categories -- the separate categories of detainees? You have traditional prisoners of war and then the unlawful enemy combatants. Why not treat all detainees under U.S. military custody the exact same way?
Kimmons's answer quickly veered into unacceptable territory, and Stimson had to jump in to clarify, as this excerpt demonstrates (emphasis added):
Gen. Kimmons: Well, actually, the distinction is in Geneva through the Geneva Convention, which describes the criteria that prisoner -- that lawful combatants, such as enemy prisoners of war -- which attributes they possess -- wearing a uniform, fighting for a government, bearing your arms openly and so on and so forth. And it's all spelled out fairly precisely inside Geneva.
Geneva also makes clear that traditional, unlawful combatants such as in the -- 50 years ago, we would have talked about spies and saboteurs, but also now applies to this new category of unlawful -- or new type of unlawful combatant, terrorists, al Qaeda, Taliban.

They clearly don't meet the criteria for prisoner of war status, lawful combatant status, and so they're not entitled to the -- therefore to the extra protections and privileges which Geneva affords.

But Stimson's clarification was not very helpful. In fact, if a prisoner is judged not a "lawful combatant", then he or she immediately becomes covered by Geneva IV, the "Civilian Convention," which protects anyone "who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever find themselves" held prisoner. According to the International Red Cross Commentary on the Geneva Conventions:
Every person in enemy hands must have some status under international law: he is either a prisoner of war and, as such, covered by the Third [POW] Convention, [or] a civilian covered by the Fourth Convention.... There is no intermediate status; nobody in enemy hands can fall outside the law.
Separation and Sensory Deprivation

One questioner took on the topic of the "Separation" technique. Wasn't it the same as solitary confinement, and wasn't solitary confinement "banned by Common Article 3 in the affront to human dignity, other provisions? "Are you confident," a reporter asked, "that separation is permitted under Common Article 3?"

The Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Detainee Affairs responded by denying that separation amounted to solitary confinement, even though the AFM describes the technique as, among other things "physical separation" "limited to 30 days of initial duration." Extensions for such physical separation must be reviewed and approved the General Officer or Flag Officer who initially approved the original "separation."

Kimmons' reply was even more disingenuous:

We have always segregated enemy combatants on the battlefield at the point of capture and beyond, to keep them silent, segregate the officers from the enlisted, the men from the women, and so forth. That's traditional; it goes back to World War II and beyond.
So, is "separation" a matter of segregating prisoners, or what? In the Army Field Manual itself, one gets that same kind of double talk. At first it is presented thus:
The purpose of separation is to deny the detainee the opportunity to communicate with other detainees in order to keep him from learning counter-resistance techniques or gathering new information to support a cover story; decreasing the detainee's resistance to interrogation.
This description sounds a lot like segregation for security purposes, although there is that phrase "decreasing the detainee's resistance." A page or so later, however, we find the following (emphasis added):
The use of separation should not be confused with the detainee-handling techniques approved in Appendix D [Guide for Handling Detainees]. Specifically, the use of segregation during prisoner handling (Search, Silence, Segregate, Speed, Safeguard, and Tag [5 S's and a T]) should not be confused with the use of separation as a restricted interrogation technique.
Furthermore, we learn that "separation" requires an interrogation plan, and medical and legal review, as well, of course, as "physical separation." If this is not solitary confinement for the purposes of breaking a prisoner down for interrogation, then the English language has lost all purpose in explaining things.
Another line of questioning took on the AFM's contention that it banned sensory deprivation. The entire exchange at the September 6 hearing is worth reproducing here. It represents, among other things, the most thorough line of inquiry I have seen by any reporter in quite some time. The following quote contains added emphases.

Q: General, as an expert in interrogations, do you believe that sensory deprivation was abusive, or did it ever prove to be helpful in interrogation?
Gen. Kimmons: Sensory deprivation is abusive and it's prohibited in this Field Manual, and it's absolutely counterproductive, in my understanding of what we have used productively. Sensory deprivation, just to be clear -- and we define it in the Field Manual, but basically, it comes down to the almost complete deprivation of all sensory stimuli, light, noise, and so forth, and to the point where it can have an adverse mental, psychological effect on a -- disorienting effect on a detainee.

Q: So could there be deprivation of light alone for extended periods of time, as opposed to complete sensory deprivation?

Gen. Kimmons: I think the total loss of an external stimulus, such as deprivation of light, would not fit what we have described here as -- for example, if you're hinting about separation, separation does not involve the darkness or lack of that type of sensory stimulation.

Q: That wasn't the question, though. Would sensory -- would the deprivation of light alone be permitted under the current manual, as opposed -- because you described sensory deprivation as total deprivation --

Gen. Kimmons: That's correction.

Q: -- of all senses. So deprivation of light alone for extended periods would be permitted?

Gen. Kimmons: I don't think the Field Manual explicitly addresses it.

It does not make it prohibited. And it would have to be weighed in the context of the overall environment. If it was at nighttime during sleep hours, then it would make personal sense to turn the lights off.

Q: You know what I'm talking about. I'm trying to get at -- because you said specifically total sensory deprivation -- so deprivation of any one sense might be permitted. Like light, for example. They could be kept in the dark for extended periods of time beyond the usual nighttime hours.

This is really too specific and challenging for the DoD briefers, and they turn on their double-talk machine:
Mr. Stimson: Jim, questions like this are good questions to ask. And what's important to remember is that interrogation plans are put together for a reason so that not just one person can decide what he or she wants to do and then run off and do it. They're vetted. It's laid out how they're vetted. General Kimmons could go into that in exhaustive detail. Typically, there would be a JAG, as I understand it, General Kimmons --
Gen. Kimmons: That's correct.

Mr. Stimson: -- that would have to review that. It goes up through various chains of command. And so, you know, types of questions like this would have to be asked and then vetted through that process.

Burying the Story

With all the hard questioning by the press, you'd think the issues would have been aired in the media in the days and weeks following the introduction of the Army Field Manual. As should be evident by now, that's not what happened.

Here's how the L.A. Times covered it, getting the story exactly backwards (emphasis added):

Bowing to critics of its tough interrogation policies, the Pentagon is issuing a new Army field manual that provides Geneva Convention protections for all detainees and eliminates a secret list of interrogation tactics.
The manual, set for release today, also reverses an earlier decision to maintain two interrogation standards – one for traditional prisoners of war and another for "unlawful combatants" captured during a conflict but not affiliated with a nation's military force.

There is no mention of Appendix M or any controversy over techniques. Jumana Musa, an "advocacy director for Amnesty International, is quoted as noting, ""If the new field manual embraces the Geneva Convention, it is an important return to the rule of law.'"
The article in the Washington Post was, if anything, even more laudatory of the new AFM:

Pentagon officials yesterday repudiated the harsh interrogation tactics adopted since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, specifically forbidding U.S. troops from using forced nudity, hooding, military dogs and waterboarding to elicit information from detainees captured in ongoing wars.
The Defense Department simultaneously embraced international humane treatment standards for all detainees in U.S. military custody, the first time there has been a uniform standard for both enemy prisoners of war and the so-called unlawful combatants linked to al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist organizations.

The article falsely claims the AFM bans manipulation of sleep patterns. Regarding any controversy, the article explains:
Three expanded techniques -- good cop, bad cop; pretending to be an official from another country; and detention in a separate cell from others -- are allowed but require approval from senior officers. Officials originally considered keeping those three techniques classified but decided to make them public for the sake of full transparency.
The Post article also briefly mentioned the generally positive response of human rights groups:
"This is the Pentagon coming full circle," said Tom Malinowski, Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch. "This is very strong guidance."
As for the human rights organizations, Amnesty International later essentially signed off on the AFM. In an article from the Winter 2007 issue of Amnesty International Magazine, Jumana Musa, quoted in the L.A. Times article above, had this to say about the new AFM:
AIUSA also worked with U.S. representatives and senators to introduce legislation to create a single, transparent standard for interrogations and to limit the CIA to approved interrogation techniques outlined in the Army Field Manual.
In a telephone interview for this article, Mr. Malinowski said he supported using the Army Field Manual as a replacement for the CIA "enhanced interrogation techniques," and described the question of abuse in Appendix M as not entirely clear. He maintained, however, that the current Army Field Manual was merely a start, and that a new overhaul of interrogation techniques was on the agenda.
A call made to Amnesty International's press contact regarding this issue, and an e-mail sent to Jumana Musa, were both unreturned.

The truth behind the Army Field Manual is more important than ever

Two conclusions can be drawn from the above examination of the "selling" of the Army Field Manual to the American public in the late summer of 2006 and beyond. One is that reporters on the beat were very aware of the origins and implications of the issues surrounding Geneva and the AFM, and the controversies surrounding the use of isolation and other techniques under the rubric of "Separation." The extremely muted or non-existent discussion in the mainstream press of these issues after the AFM was introduced means that a decision to suppress these issues was made at an editorial level, and were not the result of laziness or dilatory reporting on behalf of reporters.

Secondly, the role of some human rights organizations in promoting the new Army Field Manual -- in particular, the actions of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch -- are curious, to say the least. Press reports and the interview with Malinowski show that inclusion of certain human rights organizations in the vetting of the AFM started at the very beginning. We may not be able to find out what went on in the editorial offices of the nation's top newspapers, but we should know more about the discussions within the human rights organizations on how they advised, or were fooled, by talks with Bush administration and Pentagon personnel.

Meanwhile, other human rights organizations, such as the Nobel Prize-winning Physicians for Human Rights, have criticized the language and techniques described in Appendix M of the Army Field Manual, and called for rescission of the offending text. In a letter to Secretary of Defense Robert Gates in May 2007, Leonard S. Rubenstein, Executive Director of PHR, and retired Brigadier General Stephen N. Xenakis, MD, former Commanding General of the Southeast Regional U.S. Army Medical Command, wrote:

The new Army Field Manual on human intelligence gathering... explicitly prohibits several SERE-based techniques, yet Appendix M of the manual explicitly permits what amounts to isolation, along with sleep and sensory deprivation. The manual is silent on a number of other SERE-based methods, creating ambiguity and doubt over their place in interrogation doctrine....
PHR, therefore, respectfully urges you to take the following actions:

1. Fully implement the OIG's recommendation to "preclude the use of Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape physical and psychological coercion techniques" in all interrogations. (Id, pp. 29-30.) This includes rescission of Appendix M of the new Army Field Manual and specific prohibition, by name, of each of the known SERE-based methods and their equivalents.

It seems likely that the Army Field Manual, whether by executive order (most likely) or by legislation, will become the new "single standard" for U.S. interrogation. Press reports hint that the Obama administration may yet allow a loophole for CIA interrogators.
In any case, the full history and controversy behind torture and U.S. interrogation policy deserves a full airing. What happened, for instance, between June and September 2006, allowing for Pentagon acceptance of the Appendix M abusive procedures? When it comes to the implementation of a host of torture and cruel, inhumane interrogation techniques by the U.S. government, both an investigation and prosecutions are needed.

It will be a challenge for our society to bring out the full story, while also bringing to justice those individuals who broke both domestic law and international treaty. We will need both investigations and prosecutions in order settle scores with the past, to understand where we stand now, and what we need to change to move forward.


Jeffrey Kaye is a psychologist active in the anti-torture movement. He works clinically with torture victims at Survivors International in San Francisco, CA. His blog is Invictus; as "Valtin," he also regularly blogs at Daily Kos, Docudharma, American Torture, Progressive Historians, and elsewhere.

 


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Investigate US torture and prosecute those responsible

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Considerable efforts are being made in various quarters to cover up the record of US torture and prevent the prosecution of military and Central Intelligence Agency torturers and those higher up who ordered them to carry out their crimes.

Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee are reportedly holding up approval of Barack Obama's nominee for attorney general, Eric Holder, until he promises not to prosecute any former Bush administration officials for their part in approving torture.

Not that the incoming Obama regime needs much encouragement along those lines. The new administration has made a series of cosmetic changes that will in no serious way alter the brutal course of US policy in regard to the "war on terror" and the treatment of detainees. The eventual closing down of the Guantánamo internment camp and illegal CIA prisons, as well as the official requirement that CIA and military personnel follow the Army Field Manual's prohibitions on torture, will resolve nothing.

The ideological and political framework—with its accompanying network of lies and justifications—for wars of aggression and attacks on democratic rights remains intact.

Obama's aim is to repair some of the damage done to America's standing as a result of the Bush administration's policy of abuse and torture carried out in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantánamo and a gulag of secret detention sites, without changing the essence of US foreign policy, the drive toward global hegemony, and the illegal and violent methods employed in the implementation of that policy.

The new president has made clear his administration has no plans to prosecute the perpetrators, whose transgressions, in any case, were carried out with the full knowledge and approval of leading Democrats in Congress. "I don't believe anybody is above the law," Obama told the media. "On the other hand, I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards." This is, for all intents and purposes, a preemptive pardon for torturers.

It is critical, however, that just such an investigation into US torture and associated illegal practices be carried out, and the guilty parties, up to the highest levels of the Defense and State departments and the White House, be prosecuted.

To pretend, as supporters of Obama and the liberal media are now doing, that these criminal policies can be halted without an exhaustive examination of how they were ordered and carried out—and by whom—is a grotesque fraud.

This is a political and moral issue. The aim is not to exact revenge—although those responsible should pay a heavy legal price—but to expose and discredit the policies that have led to war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan and threaten even greater crimes and disasters in the future. The American military-intelligence apparatus, the greatest instrument of terror and violence on earth, needs to be uprooted and dismantled. A first step is the careful recording and public exposure of its many crimes.

Bush officials remain confident that they will not be called to account for their actions. They can certainly hold over the heads of the Democrats their own complicity. The Wall Street Journal did just that January 6 in a commentary entitled "What Congress Knew About 'Torture.'"

The Journal comment points out that leading Democrats—including representatives Nancy Pelosi and Jane Harman and senators Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham—were briefed more than 30 times, beginning in the spring of 2002, on the "CIA's covert antiterror interrogation programs" and its methods, "including waterboarding and other aggressive techniques."

The article continues: "After September 2006, when President Bush publicly acknowledged the program, the interrogation briefings were opened to the full committees. If Congress wanted to kill this program, all it had to do was withhold funding. And if Democrats thought it was illegal or really found the CIA's activities so heinous, one of them could have made a whistle-blowing floor statement under the protection of the Constitution's speech and debate clause."

The complicity of the Democrats and the liberal media continues. True to form, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen has written a piece justifying the cover-up of the Bush administration's illegal activities.

In keeping with the current motif of Americans' supposed collective guilt for the economic crisis and everything else done by the government and the ruling elite, Cohen sums up the theme of the piece in his headline, "Torture? Prosecute Us, Too." He argues that in "the very different country called Sept. 11, 2001" there was widespread support for brutal measures. George W. Bush enjoyed "an approval rating of 92 percent, which meant that almost no one thought he was on the wrong course."

As always, the assertion of "collective guilt" is used to shield those who are really guilty.

Asserting that "questions about the viability of torture were very much in the air," Cohen points to the support for torture among fellow liberals, including attorney Alan Dershowitz (who "was suggesting the creation of torture warrants—permission from a court to, in effect, break some bones") and Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter.

"The conventional wisdom," writes Cohen, "that torture never works—so counterintuitive as to be an absurdity—was not yet doctrine. Neither for that matter was the belief that the coming war in Iraq was a moral and practical absurdity. Congress overwhelmingly voted for war and the American people overwhelmingly supported it."

This, of course, is a further libel. In the first place, Bush was installed in 2000 by the US Supreme Court, not elected, after failing to win the popular vote. Moreover, a massive number of Americans opposed the looming Iraq invasion and protested in the hundreds of thousands in mid-February 2003. Millions of others were highly skeptical about the government's claims. Under the mistaken impression that the Democratic Party would do something to stop the war, the American people elected a majority of Democrats to Congress in 2006 and voted for Barack Obama in 2008.

Even if one were to accept the premise that most of the population backed the initial attack on Iraq, that would amount, above all, to an indictment of the American media, including Cohen, who supported the drive to war and uncritically transmitted the lies of the White House and Pentagon. Famously, Cohen swallowed whole the falsifications passed off at the United Nations by Secretary of State Colin Powell on February 5, 2003 about alleged Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, declaring the presentation to be "bone-chilling in its detail."

Having played his own filthy role in making all the subsequent tragedy possible, Cohen now holds the American people responsible for everything he condoned and legitimized.

"We tortured. So says the incoming attorney general, Eric Holder. We tortured. So says the person in charge of deciding such matters at Guantanamo."

No, "we" didn't. On orders from the White House, the US military and CIA tortured, with the approval of Cohen and the political-media establishment.

"What are we going to do about it?," asks the Post journalist. After first asserting the need to find out how the government came to torture and abuse, otherwise "we will not know how to ensure that the future doesn't wind up looking much like the past," the columnist proceeds to endorse the rationale that led to the criminal practices.

"At the same time, we have to be respectful of those who were in that Sept. 11 frame of mind ... and who, in any case, were doing what the nation and its leaders wanted. It is imperative that our intelligence agents not have to fear that a sincere effort will result in their being hauled before some congressional committee or a grand jury."

Precisely the argument of the Wall Street Journal and the ultra-right.





 

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While the Obama administration promises to halt torture as a matter of U.S. policy and shut down Guantanamo prison, torture remains among the arsenal of barbarities inflicted on inmates at Louisiana's infamous Angola Prison. Twenty-five inmates charge they were "forced to urinate and defecate on themselves...were bloodied, had teeth knocked out, were beaten until they lost control of bodily functions...until they signed statements or confessions presented to them by prison officials." Said one inmate: "I felt that if I didn't go in there and tell them something, I would die."

Torture at Angola Prison
by Jordan Flaherty

This article originally appeared in Znet. 

"The behavior documented at the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola stands out for its brutality."

The torture of prisoners in US custody is not only found in military prisons in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo. If President Obama is serious about ending US support for torture, he can start here in Louisiana.

The Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola is already notorious for a range of offenses, including keeping former Black Panthers Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox in solitary for over 36 years. Now a death penalty trial in St. Francisville, Louisiana has exposed widespread and systemic abuse at the prison. Even in the context of eight years of the Bush administration, the behavior documented at the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola stands out both for its brutality and for the significant evidence that it was condoned and encouraged from the very top of the chain of command.

In a remarkable hearing that explored torture practices at Angola, twenty-five inmates testified last summer to facing overwhelming violence in the aftermath of an escape attempt at the prison nearly a decade ago.  These twenty-five inmates - who were not involved in the escape attempt - testified to being kicked, punched, beaten with batons and with fists, stepped on, left naked in a freezing cell, and threatened that they would be killed. They were threatened by guards that they would be sexually assaulted with batons.  They were forced to urinate and defecate on themselves. They were bloodied, had teeth knocked out, were beaten until they lost control of bodily functions, and beaten until they signed statements or confessions presented to them by prison officials.  One inmate had a broken jaw, and another was placed in solitary confinement for eight years.

"Abuse is a standard policy at the prison."

While prison officials deny the policy of abuse, the range of prisoners who gave statements, in addition to medical records and other evidence introduced at the trial, present a powerful argument that abuse is a standard policy at the prison. Several of the prisoners received $7,000 when the state agreed to settle, without admitting liability, two civil rights lawsuits filed by 13 inmates. The inmates will have to spend that money behind bars - more than 90% of Angola's prisoners are expected to die behind its walls.

Systemic Violence

During the attempted escape at Angola, in which one guard was killed and two were taken hostage, a team of officers - including Angola warden Burl Cain - rushed in and began shooting, killing one inmate, Joel Durham, and wounding another, David Mathis.

The prison has no official guidelines for what should happen during escape attempts or other crises, a policy that seems designed to encourage the violent treatment documented in this case. Richard Stalder, at that time the secretary of the Louisiana Department of Public Safety and Corrections, was also at the prison at the time. Yet despite - or because of - the presence of the prison warden and head of corrections for the state, guards were given free hand to engage in violent retribution. Cain later told a reporter after the shooting that Angola's policy was not to negotiate, saying, ''That's a message all the inmates know. They just forgot it. And now they know it again.''

"Guards were given free hand to engage in violent retribution."

Five prisoners - including Mathis - were charged with murder, and currently are on trial, facing the death penalty, partially based on testimony from other inmates that was obtained through beatings and torture. Mathis is represented by civil rights attorneys Jim Boren (who also represented one of the Jena Six youths) and Rachel Connor, with assistance from Nola Investigates, an investigative firm in New Orleans that specializes in defense for capital cases.

The St. Francisville hearing was requested by Mathis' defense counsel to demonstrate that, in the climate of violence and abuse, inmates were forced to sign statements through torture, and therefore those statements should be inadmissible. 20th Judicial District Judge George H. Ware Jr. ruled that the documented torture and abuse was not relevant. However, the behavior documented in the hearing not only raises strong doubts about the cases against the Angola Five, but it also shows that violence against inmates has become standard procedure at the prison.

The hearing shows a pattern of systemic abuse so open and regular, it defies the traditional excuse of bad apples. Inmate Doyle Billiot testified to being threatened with death by the guards, "What's not to be afraid of?  Got all these security guards coming around you everyday looking at you sideways, crazy and stuff.  Don't know what's on their mind, especially when they threaten to kill you." Another inmate, Robert Carley testified that a false confession was beaten out of him. "I was afraid," he said. "I felt that if I didn't go in there and tell them something, I would die."

"In the climate of violence and abuse, inmates were forced to sign statements through torture."

Inmate Kenneth "Geronimo" Edwards testified that the guards "beat us half to death." He also testified that guards threatened to sexually assault him with a baton, saying, "that's a big black...say you want it." Later, Edwards says, the guards, "put me in my cell.  They took all my clothes.  Took my jumpsuit.  Took all the sheets, everything out the cell, and put me in the cell buck-naked...It was cold in the cell.  They opened the windows and turned the blowers on." At least a dozen other inmates also testified to receiving the same beatings, assault, threats of sexual violence, and "freezing treatment."

Some guards at the prison treated the abuse as a game. Inmate Brian Johns testified at the hearing that, "one of the guards was hitting us all in the head.  Said he liked the sound of the drums - the drumming sound that - from hitting us in the head with the stick."

Solitary Confinement

Two of Angola's most famous residents, political prisoners Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox, have become the primary example of another form of abuse common at Angola - the use of solitary confinement as punishment for political views. The two have now each spent more than 36 years in solitary, despite the fact that a judge recently overturned Woodfox's conviction (prison authorities continue to hold Woodfox and have announced plans to retry him). Woodfox and Wallace - who together with former prisoner King Wilkerson are known as the Angola Three - have filed a civil suit against Angola, arguing that their confinement has violated both their 8th amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment and 4th amendment right to due process.

"He is still trying to practice Black Pantherism, and I still would not want him walking around my prison because he would organize the young new inmates."

Recent statements by Angola warden Burl Cain makes clear that Woodfox and Wallace are being punished for their political views. At a recent deposition, attorneys for Woodfox asked Cain, "Lets just for the sake of argument assume, if you can, that he is not guilty of the murder of Brent Miller." Cain responded, "Okay.  I would still keep him in (solitary)...I still know that he is still trying to practice Black Pantherism, and I still would not want him walking around my prison because he would organize the young new inmates.  I would have me all kind of problems, more than I could stand, and I would have the blacks chasing after them...He has to stay in a cell while he's at Angola."

In addition to Cain's comments, Louisiana Attorney General James "Buddy" Caldwell has said the case against the Angola Three is personal to him. Statements like this indicate that this vigilante attitude not only pervades New Orleans' criminal justice system, but that the problem comes from the very top.

The problem is not limited to Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola - similar stories can be found in prisons across the US. But from the abandonment of prisoners in Orleans Parish Prison during Katrina to the case of the Jena Six, Louisiana's criminal justice system, which has the highest incarceration rate in the world, often seems to be functioning under plantation-style justice. Most recently, journalist A.C. Thompson, in an investigation of post-Katrina killings, found evidence that the New Orleans police department supported vigilante attacks against Black residents of New Orleans after Katrina.

Torture and abuse is illegal under both US law - including the constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment - and international treaties that the US is signatory to, from the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ratified in 1992). Despite the laws and treaties, US prison guards have rarely been held accountable to these standards.

"The government tries out it's torture techniques on prisoners in the U.S. - just far enough to see how society will react."

Once we say that abuse or torture is OK against prisoners, the next step is for it to be used in the wider population. A recent petition for administrative remedies filed by Herman Wallace states, "If Guantanamo Bay has been a national embarrassment and symbol of the U.S. government's relation to charges, trials and torture, then what is being done to the Angola 3... is what we are to expect if we fail to act quickly... The government tries out it's torture techniques on prisoners in the U.S. - just far enough to see how society will react.  It doesn't take long before they unleash their techniques on society as a whole." If we don't stand up against this abuse now, it will only spread.

Despite the hearings, civil suits, and other documentation, the guards who performed the acts documented in the hearing on torture at Angola remain unpunished, and the system that designed it remains in place. In fact, many of the guards have been promoted, and remain in supervisory capacity over the same inmates they were documented to have beaten mercilessly. Warden Burl Cain still oversees Angola. Meanwhile, the trial of the Angola Five is moving forward, and those with the power to change the pattern of abuse at Angola remain silent.


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Re: Torture at Angola Prison in Louisiana
« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2009, 11:42:31 AM »
We need to stop calling them "prisons" and start calling them what they really are: Gulags!
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« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2009, 11:49:26 AM »
We need to stop calling them "prisons" and start calling them what they really are: Gulags!

Yeah you're right.  That's what they are.  It's sickening--really.
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« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2009, 12:00:41 PM »
Yeah you're right.  That's what they are.  It's sickening--really.

Especially in light of the countless times the criminals running our government have parroted the public relations mantra that Muslim extremists hate us for our "freedoms."  ::)
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« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2009, 04:33:48 PM »
This paragraph sums up what it's really about.

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"The government tries out it's torture techniques on prisoners in the U.S. - just far enough to see how society will react."

Once we say that abuse or torture is OK against prisoners, the next step is for it to be used in the wider population. A recent petition for administrative remedies filed by Herman Wallace states, "If Guantanamo Bay has been a national embarrassment and symbol of the U.S. government's relation to charges, trials and torture, then what is being done to the Angola 3... is what we are to expect if we fail to act quickly... The government tries out it's torture techniques on prisoners in the U.S. - just far enough to see how society will react.  It doesn't take long before they unleash their techniques on society as a whole." If we don't stand up against this abuse now, it will only spread.
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Another reason why I am against the death penalty.

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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2009, 10:12:04 AM »
good, when your in prison you dont deserve rights. Im glad those serial killers, rapists, arsonists, child molsters, and other scumbags are getting the crap beat out of them. They deserve it, we need the death penalty. Thank god texas loves using he death penalty
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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2009, 10:30:51 AM »
good, when your in prison you dont deserve rights. Im glad those serial killers, rapists, arsonists, child molsters, and other scumbags are getting the crap beat out of them.

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Sadastic, reactionary morons like you are the reason why the U.S. incarcerates more of its own citizens than any other nation on the planet. You're so busy waxing self-righteous, that you either cannot or will not recognize that many of those in prison are in for non-violent drug offenses!

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May you one day be on the receiving end of the very abuse you so arrogantly and mindlessly wish upon others (irrespective of whether they've actually done anything to deserve such abuse).
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Re: Torture at Angola Prison in Louisiana
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2009, 10:40:31 AM »
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Sadastic, reactionary morons like you are the reason why the U.S. incarcerates more of its own citizens than any other nation on the planet. You're so busy waxing self-righteous, that you either cannot or will not recognize that many of those in prison are in for non-violent drug offenses!

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnRONNMDMQ
       http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/research/prison.cfm
       http://www.sentencingproject.org/IssueAreaHome.aspx?IssueID=5

May you one day be on the receiving end of the very abuse you so arrogantly and mindlessly wish upon others.

Damn, you have a way with words.  ;D

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Re: Torture at Angola Prison in Louisiana
« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2009, 10:49:01 AM »
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Sadastic, reactionary morons like you are the reason why the U.S. incarcerates more of its own citizens than any other nation on the planet. You're so busy waxing self-righteous, that you either cannot or will not recognize that many of those in prison are in for non-violent drug offenses!

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnRONNMDMQ
       http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/research/prison.cfm
       http://www.sentencingproject.org/IssueAreaHome.aspx?IssueID=5

May you one day be on the receiving end of the very abuse you so arrogantly and mindlessly wish upon others (irrespective of whether they've actually done anything to deserve such abuse).

That is so well said Geolib! :)
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Re: Torture at Angola Prison in Louisiana
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2009, 02:30:30 PM »
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Sadastic, reactionary morons like you are the reason why the U.S. incarcerates more of its own citizens than any other nation on the planet. You're so busy waxing self-righteous, that you either cannot or will not recognize that many of those in prison are in for non-violent drug offenses!

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnRONNMDMQ
       http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/research/prison.cfm
       http://www.sentencingproject.org/IssueAreaHome.aspx?IssueID=5

May you one day be on the receiving end of the very abuse you so arrogantly and mindlessly wish upon others (irrespective of whether they've actually done anything to deserve such abuse).

Let's take for example a serial killer and a child molester. Let's say the serial killer brutally murdered 10 people, dismembered their bodies, and fed then to his pet dogs and put the rest in a bag and throws it in the river. You can't tell me he deserves life in prison he needs to die for his crimes. He deserves whatver brutality he gets. Same with the child molester. You can't cure those sickos, u have to think of the safety Of our children. Put those sickos to death. When u commit a brutal crime u forfeit your rights and liberties. U have to be punished for ur crimes.
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Re: Torture at Angola Prison in Louisiana
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2009, 02:38:55 PM »
Let's take for example a serial killer and a child molester.

Translation: let's watch as you knowingly ignore the point I made about all the non-violent drug offenders that fill our prisons, that way you can continue to live in this delusional fantasy world of yours in which only people convicted of violent offenses are ever incarcerated.

Congratulations on your mastery of intellectual cowardice.
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Re: Torture at Angola Prison in Louisiana
« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2009, 02:44:03 PM »
Let's take for example a serial killer and a child molester. Let's say the serial killer brutally murdered 10 people, dismembered their bodies, and fed then to his pet dogs and put the rest in a bag and throws it in the river. You can't tell me he deserves life in prison he needs to die for his crimes. He deserves whatver brutality he gets. Same with the child molester. You can't cure those sickos, u have to think of the safety Of our children. Put those sickos to death. When u commit a brutal crime u forfeit your rights and liberties. U have to be punished for ur crimes.


I see you have been brainwashed well. You fail to see the bigger picture. First they start torturing the really hardcore criminals, the serial killers and child molesters, as you mentioned to see how the general public reacts. Once they get the public conditioned that torture of these monsters is acceptable, then they move on to torturing bank robbers, muggers, drug addicts and so on until it's down to torturing the average person for an unpaid speeding ticket or jaywalking. This is all for getting us to accept torture as a part of everyday life. Obviously the conditioning has worked in your case.

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