The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21

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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2017, 04:38:44 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5207839/California-wildfire-largest-1932-Cal-Fire.html

REVEALED: California's Thomas Fire is now the state's largest EVER
The Thomas Fire that firefighters have battled for over two weeks is now the state's largest since at least 1932
The fire broke out on December 4 and burned 273,400 acres and destroyed 1,063 structures
It previously topped Cal Fire's list of the top 20 largest wildfires in the state
By Afp
Published: 23:20 EST, 22 December 2017  | Updated: 11:35 EST, 23 December 2017



https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/23/thomas-fire-now-ranks-as-largest-ever-wildfire-in-california-history.html

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Although a cold front and calmer winds have helped aid firefighters, the massive Thomas fire in Southern California now ranks as the state's largest-ever wildfire, Cal Fire said late Friday.

The flames have charred at least 273,400 acres, or more than 427 square miles
. That's slightly above the previous wildfire record of 273,246 acres from the 2003 Cedar blaze in San Diego.

"The Thomas Fire is now the largest wildfire in recorded California history," Cal Fire spokesman Brandon Vaccaro told CNBC late Friday. "The weather has been extremely cooperative, except for some winds we had earlier this week that were not bad."

As of Friday evening, the Thomas fire was 65 percent contained.

If the weather continues to cooperate, firefighters may be able to mop up the remaining portions of the wildfire shortly after Christmas, Vaccaro said. That would end the most destructive and deadly wildfire season in California history.
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The fire started Dec. 4 near the city of Santa Paula in Ventura County.
The cause of the blaze remains under investigation.
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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #161 on: December 24, 2017, 05:07:59 PM »
THIS is the California REWRITE ....

http://beta.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ventura-trauma-20171219-htmlstory.html
Landmarks in ashes, and of memory, confront fire victims in a traumatized Ventura
By Thomas Curwen
Dec 23, 2017 | 4:00 AM


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Initially they asked, “Did you lose your home?” Now it’s, “How are you doing?” in an understanding that possessions matter less than concerns of the heart.
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The residents of Ventura know they are lucky. Their city did not become another Santa Rosa with its myriad tragedies, but then again, they also know that not everyone in Ventura is feeling especially lucky.
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They believed they would be safe. They never imagined a fire like this would darken these December blue skies.
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Sparked in Santa Paula and pushed by Santa Ana winds, the Thomas fire streaked along the southern slopes of Sulfur Mountain. Consuming an acre a second, it crossed 11 canyons before reaching eastern Ventura late on the night of Dec. 4.
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On that Tuesday morning two weeks ago, flames rising 3 feet off the roof, he approached one of the 50 firefighters on the street, who told him that they would have to let the home burn.

“Why?” Jacobson asked.

“The hydrants are dry,” he was told — too much demand throughout the city — and they didn’t want to use the water in their trucks on a home so far gone.
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http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2017/12/24/crews-battle-barranca-fire-near-camino-real-park-ventura/979732001/
Crews battle barranca fire near Camino Real Park in Ventura
Staff reports Published 12:34 a.m. PT Dec. 24, 2017

Crews battled a fire early Sunday in a barranca in the 4300 block of Whittier Court in Ventura.

The fire was reported at 12:02 a.m. in eucalyptus trees in the barranca near Camino Real Park. The neighborhood is a few blocks south of Ventura College and about halfway between Telegraph Road and Highway 126.

Several units responded and discovered a 100-foot by 100-foot spot fire that was threatening three structures. Crews worked to get the residents out of the structures.
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Crews worked to get the residents out of the structures.

Forward progress of the fire was reported stopped at about 12:30 a.m., and it had been knocked down about 15 minutes later.


http://vvvc.org/
VVVC LogoVietnam Veterans of Ventura County

http://downtownoxnard.org/calendar-item/remember-ventura-county-vietnam-back/
We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back

Presented by the Oxnard Film Society, a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization, We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back is a multimedia exhibit that tells the story of local Ventura County Vietnam Veterans experiences in the Vietnam War through photos and text, video interviews and documentaries.



On Nov 20, 2017, the Oxnard Film Society, a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization, will be opening an exhibition entitled, We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back in downtown Oxnard.

This multimedia exhibit tells the story of local Ventura County Vietnam Veterans experiences in the Vietnam War through photos and text, video interviews and documentaries. The presentation also includes a brief history of Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh, an overview of U.S. foreign diplomacy from FDR to Nixon, the Draft, the Tet Offensive, Anti-War Movement and concludes with a Memorial Wall. The mission of the exhibit is to thank local Vietnam Veterans for their service, to honor the veterans who died in the war and to provide a better understanding of the Vietnam War to students in high school and college and to the community of Oxnard and Ventura County.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-lists/ca-alpha.pdf

https://www.thedailybeast.com/states-with-the-most-war-casualties
States With the Most War Casualties
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California
Vietnam War: 5,575 deaths
Deaths per man 18-44: .19%
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #162 on: January 10, 2018, 11:33:50 AM »
Well now the mudslide floods came ... again they could not get people out fast enough ( they should have been evacuated before the storms just in case KNOWING THAT THERE WAS IMMINENT MUDSLIDE DANGER ... BUT NOOO .... 15 dead and climbing .... These people are loopy

Updater .... they were warned to evacuate - but they didn't go !!!!  really ? ? ?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-ignored-evacuation-orders-before-mudslides-1515631602
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Of 1,200 people given mandatory evacuation orders in the Montecito area, only 200 heeded the warning to leave, said Shawn Boyd, a spokesman with the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, citing preliminary information.

“They all decided they didn’t want to go,” he said. WTF REALLY ? ... sound like bull to me ...

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahshow/rob-lowe-santa-barbara-home-video_1


https://apnews.com/67ec5e87bbb74130b7ddedc6f61c6fc8/Victim-search-expands-as-California-storm,-mudslides-kill-15
Death toll hits 15 in California mudslides; search goes on

MONTECITO, Calif. (AP) — The death toll from the mudslides that struck Southern California climbed to 15 on Wednesday as rescue crews searched for anyone trapped, injured or dead in the onslaught that smashed homes and swept away cars.

The drenching rainstorm that triggered the disaster cleared out and was no longer a hindrance as searchers made their way across a landscape strewn with boulders and covered shoulder-high in places with mud the consistency of wet cement.

“Right now our assets are focused on determining if anyone is still alive in any of those structures that have been damaged,” Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said.

He said that several dozen homes were destroyed or severely damaged, and that there are probably many more in similar condition in areas still inaccessible.

At least 15 people were confirmed dead, Santa Barbara County spokeswoman Yaneris Muniz said early Wednesday as the search continued through the night.

At least 25 people were injured, 50 or more had to be rescued by helicopters, and an undetermined number of others were missing, authorities said. Four of the injured were reported in severely critical condition.
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Most of the deaths occurred in and around Montecito, a wealthy enclave of about 9,000 people northwest of Los Angeles that is home to such celebrities as Oprah Winfrey, Rob Lowe and Ellen DeGeneres.

Winfrey’s home survived the mudslides. In an Instagram post on the same day many Democrats were talking about her for president because of her rousing speech at the Golden Globes, she shared photos of the deep mud in her backyard and video of rescue helicopters hovering over her house.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/902732/Montecito-mudslide-map-Oprah-Winfrey-s-house-Santa-Barbara

Oprah’s house, nicknamed “The Promised Land”, is located on a 42-acre site in Montecito with mountain and ocean views, says satellite imagery website virtualglobetrotting.com.

Varsity also reported that Oprah purchased a further $28.85 million to buy horse ranch Seamair Farm in February 2016. The 23.26 acre equestrian estate borders her current home.
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Which other celebrities live in Montecito?

Ellen DeGeneres, host of the The Ellen DeGeneres Show, and actor Rob Lowe are other famous residents of Montecito.
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Other famous people who live in the area include Al Gore, Patrick Stewart, Jane Seymour and Malcolm McDowell.

Ellen has reportedly bought a property next door to Oprah’s, entertainment website TMZ reported last month.
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Actor Rob Lowe, who starred in political drama The West Wing, is one celebrity who lives in Montecito.

He tweeted: “Mourning the dead in our little town tonight. Praying for the survivors and preparing for whatever may come. #Montecito”


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So people in "voluntary" evac zones really know the danger ?  I don't think so

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5258933/Heartbreak-man-searches-mother-Montecito.html
17 swept to their deaths

... "mandatory and voluntary evacuation zones. "

Sawyer Corey, 12, and Morgan Corey, 25, were swept away from their home. Their mother and other sister was rescued
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
« Reply #163 on: January 12, 2018, 12:46:01 PM »
Now the death toll maybe up with the Napa Fires :

43 people are missing Plus the 17 confirmed dead ...

The MSM continues to bury the stories and the dead

It is still unclear to me who was killed , were they voluntary evacs refusniks or mandatory ,..

notice this cnn story only saying mandatory ... ? did these people get the word ? did they know the danger ?
 


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/us/southern-california-mudslides/index.html

 (CNN)As teams frantically searched areas of Southern California smothered by rivers of mud and boulders, officials on Thursday increased the size of the evacuation zones.

The immediate areas where at least 17 people were killed are under mandatory evacuation, Santa Barbara
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At an afternoon news conference Sheriff Bill Brown  said as many as 43 people could be considered missing.

Authorities have not confirmed that many people are unaccounted for, he said, but are looking into reports from phone calls, social media and message boards.
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"We certainly are searching for a miracle right now," he said.

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5