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« Reply #241 on: March 21, 2008, 10:01:16 PM » |
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As far as the eyewitness accounts go... Several types of planes were mentioned, different color schemes, wheels up, wheels down, steep dive, level flight, cartwheeling, hitting the helicopter pad and much more. There are even accounts of people seeing the faces of the passengers and one where they saw it hit a helicopter on the pad. At a speed of 506 feet per second very few people had a chance to see the plane up close for more than a fraction of a second.
Tell me this guy is an accomplice to mass murder, or admit he is a witness to what happend. http://www.dailymotion.com/Ashoka_lc/Pentagon/video/x1x5s8_pentagon-cbs-eyewitness-mike-walter_news |
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« Reply #242 on: March 21, 2008, 10:18:28 PM » |
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I hate to be like this... but the guy was STUCK IN TRAFFIC. He saw what he thought was a 737 that clipped light poles and then he saw the ball of fire. This guy supports the theory that a jetliner flew toward the Pentagon. However, if in fact the ball of fire was from something else smashing into the Pentagon, to an eyewitness it would appear that the low flying jetliner hit when in fact the low flying jetliner may have just flown over the pentagon. You see the jetliner and then you see the explosion. Your brain makes the connection that it was the jetliner that hit when in fact it was something else. Does that not make sense to you? Don't you understand that if everything had happened exactly as the official story claimed, that they'd release the tapes and shut up bozos like me? There's no reason not to other than that they have an army of people like you who believe the official story indoctinated to shut guys like me up. |
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« Reply #244 on: March 21, 2008, 10:27:35 PM » |
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I hate to be like this... but the guy was STUCK IN TRAFFIC he was there and you weren't. He saw what he thought was a 737 that clipped light poles and then he saw the ball of fire. No he saw an AA 757 This guy supports the theory that a jetliner flew toward the Pentagon. Yea, no shit. Because he was there and saw it hit. However, if in fact the ball of fire was from something else smashing into the Pentagon, to an eyewitness it would appear that the low flying jetliner hit when in fact the low flying jetliner may have just flown over the pentagon. You are going to tell me what people saw, who were there and you weren't. You see the jetliner and then you see the explosion. Your brain makes the connection that it was the jetliner that hit when in fact it was something else. Does that not make sense to you? No it makes no sense that you are all knowing and all seeing. You're not. Don't you understand that if everything had happened exactly as the official story claimed, that they'd release the tapes and shut up bozos like me? There's no reason not to other than that they have an army of people like you who believe the official story indoctinated to shut guys like me up No Planners like you help Rumsfeld and Stublebine sherlock. The official story says 9/11 happened on 9/11. So I guess it didn't happen on 9/11 or you support the official story. You make no sense. You have brainwashed yourself into thinking 757 hitting the pentagon= official story true |
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« Reply #245 on: March 21, 2008, 10:40:14 PM » |
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This guy saw a small white plane, no markings. http://www.dailymotion.com/related/2541889/video/x1ih89_pentagon-eyewitness-steve-gerard_newsThis lady saw a big commercial plane http://www.dailymotion.com/related/2392491/video/x1ihc1_pentagon-eyewitness-isabel-james_newsThis guy saw a small plane http://www.dailymotion.com/related/2541889/video/x1fa23_pentagon-eyewitness-omar-campos_newsSmall white USAir commuter jet? http://www.dailymotion.com/related/2392491/video/x1fi76_pentagon-eyewitness-don-chauncey_newsAmerican Airlines 757? You can actually HEAR THE GUY TELLING HER WHAT TO SAY! What a joke! She doesn't sound shocked. She sounds like she's reading from a piece of paper! http://www.dailymotion.com/related/2403042/video/x1fi97_pentagon-eyewitness-dawn-vignola_news---- Dawn's report may be legitimate, but it sure sounded to me like she was cool, collected, and you could hear the guy in the background telling her what to say. Whether or not she's legitimate, there's enough mixed eyewitness reports, that you cannot conclude that an AA 757 hit the Pentagon. In fact, it seems that some people are pretty sure the plane was in fact a smaller plane. It's funny, in the one report the reporter says, "You're sure there was just one plane?" and the witness says "Yes. Just one plane." Re-emphasizing to the public viewers that there's only one plane so that when a guy like me comes around suggesting there were two planes I look crazy. I'm going to conclude from watching those witnesses that they all seem pretty confident that they all saw different things. How can so many different people looking at the same wreck seemingly all see something different? |
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« Reply #246 on: March 21, 2008, 10:44:37 PM » |
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Tell me about Stubblebine. Let's hear it? What's your take on him? If they released a tape of a AA 757 hitting the pentagon you'd say it was fake.
And don't tell me what I believe because you aren't bright enough to figure out what I believe. I believe the official story of 9/11? Keep showing how clueless you are.
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« Reply #247 on: March 21, 2008, 10:50:43 PM » |
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If you don't believe the official story of 9/11, you're not doing a very good job of showing it. Oh..so if a 757 hit the pentagon that means the official story is true right? |
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« Reply #248 on: March 21, 2008, 10:52:27 PM » |
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Oh..they all saw different things? Thats funny.....when I watched the videos they all saw 1 plane fly into the pentagon. Some coincidently said it was a big passenger plane an AA 757 WOW! What a coincidence! Some said they thought it was a commuter plane. ALL said a plane flew into the pentagon. Maybe thats what happend? A plane flying into the pentagon. Gee.....I wonder......what plane could it be........hmmm...thats a tough one huh? |
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« Reply #249 on: March 21, 2008, 10:59:32 PM » |
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Yea, well that guy is her roommate who saw what happened as well, and was also talking to reporters. ---- Dawn's report may be legitimate, but it sure sounded to me like she was cool, collected, and you could hear the guy in the background telling her what to say. Her roommate? He was a witness they both were. It's funny, in the one report the reporter says, "You're sure there was just one plane?" and the witness says "Yes. Just one plane." Re-emphasizing to the public viewers that there's only one plane so that when a guy like me comes around suggesting there were two planes I look crazy. Or maybe they were reporting what happened like they are supposed to...oh I forgot you want to help the debunkers...the local reporters are in on the 9/11 plot as well....nice work. You are just about the only person not involved in 9/11 aren't you? |
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« Reply #250 on: March 21, 2008, 11:01:51 PM » |
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Oh..so if a 757 hit the pentagon that means the official story is true right?
Does it? Rather than just knocking everything that I say, why don't you tell me where you think the holes in the official story are? Until you make a stand against the official story and tell me what you think happened that day at the Pentagon, like I said you're not convincing anybody that you don't believe the official story. Let's hear it, Mr. Official Story. I'm here to unite people, not divide people. This is a discussion board, and if you have something to add, then add it. By the way... if you think a pilot maneuvered a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon as it's claimed happened, you should watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqN9qKV-2ZU&feature=relatedWe have set out in search of truth. The highest goal of human life is the discovery of truth. Only those who seek the truth shall find it. Those who do not - will never find it. Those who seek the truth shall profit from it; the non-seekers can derive no benefit there from. |
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« Reply #251 on: March 21, 2008, 11:13:42 PM » |
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Does it? Rather than just knocking everything that I say, why don't you tell me where you think the holes in the official story are? Try reading the thread. I have to keep repeating myself because you are lazy? Until you make a stand against the official story and tell me what you think happened that day at the Pentagon, like I said you're not convincing anybody that you don't believe the official story. I don't take orders from you. Try reading the thread. Let's hear it, Mr. Official Story. I'm here to unite people, not divide people. This is a discussion board, and if you have something to add, then add it. You mean repeat it for you, because your lazy? So tell us. Who flew those planes into the WTC? The official story says it was terrorists? Who was it? I'll give you a hint.....Flt 77 hitting the pentagon exposes the culprits. That's why Stubblebine loves you saying it didn't. |
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« Reply #252 on: March 21, 2008, 11:20:11 PM » |
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Try reading the thread. I have to keep repeating myself because you are lazy?
I don't take orders from you. Try reading the thread.
You mean repeat it for you, because your lazy?
So tell us. Who flew those planes into the WTC? The official story says it was terrorists? Who was it? I'll give you a hint.....Flt 77 hitting the pentagon exposes the culprits. That's why Stubblebine loves you saying it didn't.
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I'm done arguing with you, jim. I went back and noticed that you disagree with every poster on here. You're a naysayer who believes the official story. You refuse time and time again to take an objective outlook on what really happened at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001.
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I'm done arguing with you, jim. I went back and noticed that you disagree with every poster on here. Every poster? You refuse time and time again to take an objective outlook on what really happened at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001. That's an interesting statement you made. I think everyone who reads it should think really hard about what you are saying.  |
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« Reply #255 on: March 22, 2008, 05:21:28 AM » |
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I'm done arguing with you, jim. I went back and noticed that you disagree with every poster on here. If you went back then you'd know all about Stubblebine and what I think of him, and wether I agree with him or not. So evidently you didn't. How does it feel to be manipulated by a super spook of the NWO? You're a naysayer who believes the official story. And you're a gullible clueless person who is to lazy to read a thread. Keep telling me what I believe and what the witnesses really saw, you've been wrong about everything you've posted, at least you're consistant. You refuse time and time again to take an objective outlook on what really happened at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001. HAAA...yea, I should be more accepting of things like no evidence of a flyover means a flyover, and no witnesses reporting two planes means two planes, and agreeing with a super spook of the NWO means I am fighting the NWO. It's just ashame I don't research the pentagon with an open mind like you and instead defend the official story of what happened on 9/11 huh? Keep posting how clueless and manipulated you are. |
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You brought Stubblebine into this, you ass. I don't understand your point... I mean, I understand it, but it doesn't add up. The guy is no Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brzezinski, Bush, Cheney, or the like-there-of. If he was one world order scum then why would he and his wife take a stand against Codex? I get that he and his wife are weirdos. Okay... MAJOR weirdos. It's clear from reading about the guy that he's interested in mind over matter and jedi type mind powers. It's clear that he's experimented with LSD and is experienced in something called "remote viewing." Look.... The law is F*cked up alright? Not all cops are bad. Our foreign policy is F*cked up and the war is bad. Not all the troops are bad. I see Stubs as a guy who's just trying to make a living doing what he loves to do... and that's being a Mind Freak. Look, my grandfather made his living as an executive for the Federal Reserve! He was just making a living and raising a family! He wasn't some one world order scumbag! What I see from Stubs is you guilting him by association as someone attempting to mind control the masses by saying no 757 hit the Pentagon. I can see where you're coming from, but I see it as a reach, man. The guy likes out of body experiences and LSD. The guy is an explorer of space, time, and the mind. I see utter weirdo-ness about him, but I see no evil. I see narrow-mindedness in you, Jim. Read about Stubs, man. He talks about UFOs, remote viewing, and Martians. http://members.tripod.com/~psitech/stubblebine.htmlYou assume that he's a bad guy, but I see no hard proof that he's bad. In fact, here's a quote from him: It is not a tool to be used by the callous or the undisciplined or those people who have for want of another word or another thought, let me call it an evil intent and I know that word has all kinds of ramifications, but it is tool that is to be used to help, not a tool that is to be used for illicit purposes, so that gives you a little bit of an idea of what it can do and what it can't do. I frequently get the question what is the difference between RV and natural or personal psychic abilities, I get that question very frequently from people who don't understand when they listen to the words that I am talking about, so they say, ah! but I know a psychic who does, so they say what is the difference between what you do in a RV sense and what they do in a pure natural, psychic fashion or manner.Sometimes in pursuing your dreams you end up associated with bad people, but that does not always make you a bad person. There is a light side and a dark side of the Force, my friend. I don't see Stubs playing the role of the Emperor, or Vader for that matter. If you've got dirt on him, I'd love to see it. I don't want a link to an article I have to pay for, either. |
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You brought Stubblebine into this, you ass. Yea, how does it feel to be manipulated? I don't understand your point... I mean, I understand it, but it doesn't add up. The guy is no Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brzezinski, Bush, Cheney, or the like-there-of. No, he's just the top spook for the Army that's all. If he was one world order scum then why would he and his wife take a stand against Codex? I'm here to talk about 9/11 not codex. Why is he pretending to be a 9/11 truther? My guess is infiltration which is what spooks do. Looks like I'm not the only one. You enjoy being manipulated by Rumsfeld and Stubblebine don't you? http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/08/natural_solutions_foundations_disinformation_should_be_ignored.htmhttp://www.thenhf.com/codex_71.htmI get that he and his wife are weirdos. Okay... MAJOR weirdos. Probably not as weird as you think. When he tells you he spent years trying to walk through walls, my guess is he and his buddies are laughing their asses off. You really think he is going to tell you a damn thing about what he was really up to? You don't get to be the top Intelligence agent of the Army by blabbering away at the secrets you were part of. It's clear from reading about the guy that he's interested in mind over matter and jedi type mind powers. It's clear that he's experimented with LSD and is experienced in something called "remote viewing." You think the top spook at the army is telling you anything that he doesn't want you to know, or believe? Look.... The law is F*cked up alright? Not all cops are bad. I was a cop in the USAF don't try and give me a lecture on cops. Our foreign policy is F*cked up and the war is bad. Not all the troops are bad. I served in the USAF and the Army don't try and give me a lecture on troops. I see Stubs as a guy who's just trying to make a living doing what he loves to do... and that's being a Mind Freak. And I see him as earning a living instituting Homeland Security and manipulating sheep like you. Look, my grandfather made his living as an executive for the Federal Reserve! He was just making a living and raising a family! He wasn't some one world order scumbag! I don't give a rats ass about your grandfather, but when you or anyone else tries to imply that M Walter or Lloyd England who was nearly killed by a lightpole that he said a Commercial Airliner knocked over, are "in on it" or operatives I don't see you defending these working class Americans. What I see from Stubs is you guilting him by association as someone attempting to mind control the masses by saying no 757 hit the Pentagon. I can see where you're coming from, but I see it as a reach, man. The guy likes out of body experiences and LSD. And likes receiving money when wars break out as he sits of Defense company boards and institutes homeland security. The guy is an explorer of space, time, and the mind. I see utter weirdo-ness about him, but I see no evil. I see someone who is a top spook at the army and knows damn well what hit the pentagon. I see narrow-mindedness in you, Jim. And I see you are a clueless sheep. Like I give a shit You assume that he's a bad guy, but I see no hard proof that he's bad. In fact, here's a quote from him:
It is not a tool to be used by the callous or the undisciplined or those people who have for want of another word or another thought, let me call it an evil intent and I know that word has all kinds of ramifications, but it is tool that is to be used to help, not a tool that is to be used for illicit purposes, so that gives you a little bit of an idea of what it can do and what it can't do. I frequently get the question what is the difference between RV and natural or personal psychic abilities, I get that question very frequently from people who don't understand when they listen to the words that I am talking about, so they say, ah! but I know a psychic who does, so they say what is the difference between what you do in a RV sense and what they do in a pure natural, psychic fashion or manner. Which means nothing Sometimes in pursuing your dreams you end up associated with bad people, but that does not always make you a bad person. You're quite the philosopher. There is a light side and a dark side of the Force, my friend. I don't see Stubs playing the role of the Emperor, or Vader for that matter. I never said he stared in star wars movies If you've got dirt on him, I'd love to see it. I don't want a link to an article I have to pay for, either. How does it feel to be manipulated? I'm going to let you in on a little secret. The perps that help carry out 9/11 are the same perps that tried to kill me with anthrax. They were successfull at murdering my colleagues with their anthrax. I will go after the "people" that tried to kill me and murdered thousands of others on 9/11. And when I sit and watch you push disINfo garbage I will call you on it. This isn't a game with me, and if I don't hold your hand and be you little buddy it's because there is a war on. AJ is right when he talks about an Info War, and when you help Rumsfeld and the other perps that tried to kill me I will expose you. I would advise you to stop implying...no outright writing that I support the "official version", when I am purposely going after the people who killed my colleagues, or you might not be around here much longer. If you want to debate issues and continue to show how uninformed and ignorant you are on them that's your right, but you better be carefull about any accusations you make against me. |
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I've stated my side of the holes in the official story. Apparently you do not agree with what I believe is misfactual about the official accounting of what happened at the Pentagon. I'm seeking truth, man. I listen to facts that make sense.
All you can say is that someone got hit by a light pole and a bunch of conflicting eyewitness accounts prove the official story!
Who perpetrated the attacks on 9/11 and who did they conspire with? How did they carry them out? If you've got proof, then prove it to me.
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She forgot to mention that her husband gets money setting up homeland security, and sits on Defense boards...but guess what that's what spooks do. Infiltrate. Stubblebine knows damn well what hit the pentagon.
How does it feel to be manipulated?
Man... you've got issues. Natural Solutions opened my eyes to Codex Alimentarius. They contribute greatly to the fight AGAINST the New World Order. Do you think Codex is a hoax? If you can prove Codex is a hoax, I'd appreciate you doing so because that'd mean I've got some phone calls to make. I've got an entire movement against it over here. |
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Just so you know... I understand that as a nation to defeat codex, we must sever our ties with the WTO. Everytime I bring up Codex, I emphasize that in order to get out of it we must sever our ties with the WTO. Naturally Solutions doesn't advocate the WTO nor do they encourage people to support our relationship with the WTO. Opening up people's eyes to Codex opens people's eyes to our relationship with the WTO being a threat to our national sovereignty. It is a key step in rising up against the establishment. Natural Solutions is an EYE OPENER. That's a good thing. Cognitive dissonance... I mean... I can see that possibility... but... I'm not stupid enough to think that we can just say no to Codex. I understand that as long as we're with WTO we have to abide by Codex... I understand how to stop it as does Natural Solutions. You overthink things, Jim. In your world there is no hope for liberty and justice because you believe that all forms of establishment are corrupt in one way or another. We do not live in a complete Matrix, man. Some things in this world can be trusted. Trust your own eyes and ears first, yeah... But to lose objectivity... I don't know what to say...  You don't trust what people say... not because what they're saying is false... You don't trust what they're saying because of who is saying it! Bill Clinton admitted to MKULTRA! By your reasoning that'd mean that MKULTRA never happened and that Stubs isn't the mind-control freak that you claim he is! |
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« Reply #267 on: March 22, 2008, 02:36:47 PM » |
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Just so you know... I understand that as a nation to defeat codex, we must sever our ties with the WTO. Doesn't belong in the thread Everytime I bring up Codex, I emphasize that in order to get out of it we must sever our ties with the WTO. Naturally Solutions doesn't advocate the WTO nor do they encourage people to support our relationship with the WTO. Doesn't belong in the thread Opening up people's eyes to Codex opens people's eyes to our relationship with the WTO being a threat to our national sovereignty. It is a key step in rising up against the establishment. Natural Solutions is an EYE OPENER. That's a good thing. According to these guys they're a controlled opposition group. Hard to believe your Saint Stubblebine would be accused of being a minion of the NWO just because he is a head spook and sets up Homeland Security http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htmBut none of this belongs in the thread for the 3rd time. Cognitive dissonance... I mean... I can see that possibility... but... I'm not stupid enough to think that we can just say no to Codex. I understand that as long as we're with WTO we have to abide by Codex... I understand how to stop it as does Natural Solutions. Bow down to your Leaders Stubblebine and Rumsfeld You overthink things, Jim. No I just think...here's an example of someone overthinking things.. .two planes fly at the pentagon, a passenger jet and a global hawk, the global hawk flies into the pentagon while the passenger jet flies over it. Everyone is fooled and thinks it was actually the passenger jet that hit the pentagon this is backed up by, light poles that seemed to be knocked over but actually were planted with the help of an old cab driver who staged his scene, by busting out his windshield in heavy traffic, also backed up by parts of a global hawk that were found that were actually parts of a 757, so those were planted while no parts of a global hawk prove it was a global hawk, also backed up by no one seeing two planes and no one seeing a flyover........Thats what your trying to push,...... I say a plane flew into tower 1 a plane flew into tower 2 and since every witness at the pentagon claims a plane flew into it, that's what happened...witch BTW proves the planes were not controlled by the "terrorists"....Hani couldn't do that, so you take the no planners argument (no plane hit- and media created story) and amplify the BS even more by accusations against the regular citizen witnesses....I overthink things?..... LOL what a joke In your world there is no hope for liberty and justice because you believe that all forms of establishment are corrupt in one way or another You are keeping your consistency at 100%. You have not posted anything right yet. You don't have a clue about me, stop pretending you do. We do not live in a complete Matrix, man. Some things in this world can be trusted. Unless they are witnesses to what happened at the pentagon. Trust your own eyes and ears first, yeah... But to lose objectivity... I don't know what to say... You don't know quite a bit, that wont stop you though. You don't trust what people say... not because what they're saying is false... You don't trust what they're saying because of who is saying it! Oh..you want to continue to tell me how I feel and who I am? Here's another little secret for you sherlock....guess what I did in the Army? Military Intelligence. CounterIntelligence agent to be exact. So by implying that just cause someone is an Intelligence officer in the Army means I wont trust a word they say keeps your consistently wrong percentage at 100. Bill Clinton admitted to MKULTRA! By your reasoning that'd mean that MKULTRA never happened and that Stubs isn't the mind-control freak that you claim he is! I never claimed he was a mind control freak. You did. I said he is a spook because he is. And he knows damn well what hit the pentagon and knows damn well what he is doing. How does it feel to be manipulated? |
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« Reply #268 on: March 22, 2008, 02:38:25 PM » |
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neither of these links claim Codex is a hoax, they do say that Natural Solutions is using Codex to avoid the issue of the NAU.
correct--as I never claimed codex was a hoax because I have never focused on it--I work on other issues |
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« Reply #269 on: March 22, 2008, 03:06:10 PM » |
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We are nearly 8 pages in and you still have yet to add anything to the thread.
The name of the thread is "Pentagon: What happened on 9/11" not "What didn't happen on 9/11"
Come on, Jim! You tell us what happened! Since everyone else is wrong and you're the all knowing, Mr. Official Story. You tell us what happened.
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« Reply #270 on: March 22, 2008, 03:23:26 PM » |
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We are nearly 8 pages in and you still have yet to add anything to the thread. LOL The name of the thread is "Pentagon: What happened on 9/11" not "What didn't happen on 9/11" I know exactly what the title is since I had a hand in naming it Come on, Jim! You tell us what happened! Since everyone else is wrong and you're the all knowing, Mr. Official Story. You tell us what happened. Everyone else isn't wrong. And you've been warned about the "official story" stuff haven't you? And all knowing? I know how to gather evidence. I've done it for a living. I don't need to be "all knowing". I already told you I don't take orders from you, and frankly despite what you blabbed about not adding anything to the thread, I've already given this answer. But I will consider a response only on the condition that you answer this question. Two airliners flew into the twin towers. How did those planes get into the towers? Who piloted those planes? |
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« Reply #271 on: March 22, 2008, 05:00:48 PM » |
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LOL
I know exactly what the title is since I had a hand in naming it
Everyone else isn't wrong. And you've been warned about the "official story" stuff haven't you? And all knowing? I know how to gather evidence. I've done it for a living. I don't need to be "all knowing".
I already told you I don't take orders from you, and frankly despite what you blabbed about not adding anything to the thread, I've already given this answer. But I will consider a response only on the condition that you answer this question.
Two airliners flew into the twin towers. How did those planes get into the towers? Who piloted those planes?
I don't know who piloted those two planes. I'd imagine they got there from either flying directly into the side of the towers or they were holograms. I'm not a "no-planer," but I do believe after watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOeNUax-gaw that those guys have a valid argument. That didn't look like a jetliner to me. Then again, the point is not WHAT hit the towers... The point is what caused the towers to collapse... The thermite and the bombs. There. I answered your question. Now, answer mine. What happened at the Pentagon? |
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« Reply #272 on: March 22, 2008, 05:18:30 PM » |
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can anyone who believes the official story tell me what happened to the engines on impact?No impact craters to the wall according to the pictures I've seen.What about the wings?Where are they and were is the impact areas to the wall as seen in the twin towers impact pictures?Why no luggage?No seats?Nothing...how can a huge airliner simply vanish into a hole the size of my garage door and leave no visible wreckage?
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« Reply #273 on: March 22, 2008, 06:13:37 PM » |
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You're hurting the movement. I can tell from reading the thread that I'm not the only guy you've run off.
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« Reply #274 on: March 22, 2008, 06:30:20 PM » |
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You're hurting the movement. I can tell from reading the thread that I'm not the only guy you've run off.
Yea, your right there was rayantoky the no plane zionist |
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« Reply #275 on: March 22, 2008, 07:25:14 PM » |
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There. I answered your question. Now, answer mine. What happened at the Pentagon? Well, since I wasn't involved in the 9/11 plot I don't know, all I can do is go with what the evidence points to. What happened at the pentagon? A big plane came screeching down knocking over lightpoles crashing into to the first floor of the pentagon. Big planes flew into buildings that day. The wtc had 2 planes crash into them. Another passenger jet crashed..or more likely was shot down in Penn. So why wouldn't the other missing passenger jet crash into the pentagon? Here's why I think a passenger jet crashed into the pentagon. Because the people that were there said it did. Every witness described a plane crash into the pentagon. Most said it was a large passenger plane. Allot of those described it as an American Airlines. Now...that is quite a coincidence. Since we have to try and figure out where that plane went don't we? Well...there's the answer. So, now lets see if the physical evidence shows a passenger jet hitting the pentagon. All the parts are consistent with a passenger jet. No parts are consistent with any other kind. Something knocked over lightpoles...hey...this is all starting to add up isn't it? http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.htmlhttp://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html But there isn't enough wreckage for a 757! There are pictures of the wreckage. The DoD is not being real generous with the photos and videos. But the parts we have seen are from a passenger jet. http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.htmlWhere are the seats and luggage? Ask Sgt Mark Williams he was there... When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him."It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."Members of Congress who toured the site Thursday said rescue officials reported that much of the fuselage of the hijacked airplane remains intact in the ruins.from: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/sept01/2001-09-14-pentagon-usat.htm#moreYea, yea, I know. It's all a lie made up by the media. Sgt Williams isn't real and if he is he is part of the 9/11 plot. Which means Andrea Sloan is also part of the plot since she is the reporter filing the story. So I'm just going with the evidence here, while you and others can just say any particular piece of evidence you don't like is planted and witnesses are in on the plot, I'll just go with the evidence. Now the best part. Whoever flew this plane into the pentagon is one hell of a pilot. He nearly did the impossible. So who was this guy? OOOOPS! He was Hani Hanjour and we can prove for a fact the he was a horrible pilot, as his instructors testified to under oath at the Moussaoui trial. Well... this explains quite a bit. Not one of these guys ever flew a passenger jet before 9/11. You think those guys that flew into the WTC just aimed at the big building? No, they flew over several states straight to their target. A passenger jet that is supposed to be piloted by Hani Hanjour who couldn't pilot a cessna proves these planes were controlled another way. That proves inside job. WTC 7 coming down just like a controlled demolition proves explosives at the WTC just like a passenger jet flying into the pentagon proves these "hijackers' weren't controlling the planes. Let alone the fact that it was hit an hour and a half after the first hijacking. |
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« Reply #276 on: March 23, 2008, 08:11:40 AM » |
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WTC 7 coming down just like a controlled demolition proves explosives at the WTC actually that part is just for the newbies and dummies, although it is certainly true, however more importantly in my view is the fact that the WTC Towers came down at all, especially in 10seconds, proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the towers were demolished. Steel does not melt in office fires and the jet fuel had burned up in the first few minutes. I shall not go into it all here but there are many other pieces of evidence, including eyewitnesses, that prove beyond any lawful doubt that the towers were demolished. |
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END THE CRIMINAL SIEGE OF GAZA - FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!
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« Reply #277 on: March 28, 2008, 01:28:50 AM » |
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I'm sure this has already been said, but here are my .02 anyways. btw ... this is a great forum!!!  I'm personally agnositc/neutral about the pentagon, but a few things that don't add up to me are: * The tip of a 757 is as flimsy as the wings, yet it went through 5 walls of reinforced concrete. * The engines of a 757 are six tons of steel & titanium each, and neither one left even a small dent upon impact. * The amount of debris from Flight 77 could've easily been planted, and the two six ton steel & titanium rolls royce engines were not found. * 84 video recordings of the pentagon strike are not being shown to the public. What do you guys think about the Rumsfeld quote where he mentions a missile hitting the pentagon? Did he have a slip of the tongue, was it disinformation, or is it completely meaningless? "Here we are talking about plastic knives, and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building, and similar that damaged the World Trade Center." - Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense October 12th, 2001 In an interview with Parade Magazine, from inside the pentagon |
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« Reply #278 on: March 28, 2008, 12:28:49 PM » |
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"Here we are talking about plastic knives, and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building, and similar that damaged the World Trade Center."
-Donald Rumsfeld
Secretary of Defense
October 12th, 2001
In an interview with Parade Magazine, from inside the pentagon
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« Reply #279 on: April 01, 2008, 01:48:09 PM » |
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All of those "witnesses" stink ! Calling it in to the news and yes she knew for sure it was an AA 757..absolutely. I am a pilot and I can hardly tell the difference between a 757 and 767 or 737 AND while the plane is going 400 plus ! C'mon ! And they all mentioned how it sped up just prior to impact...ROFL How could they tell? Did they see the afterburners light up? HAHAAA Are you a friend of Mike Rivero? or ARE you Mike Rivero? How the FFFK can you think a plane, a 757, could punch holes thru concrete with its soft nose radome and yet 6 ton steel engines not only don't leave a mark but THEY FRIGGIN DISAPPEAR !! |
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