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« on: February 20, 2008, 08:50:07 PM »

Alan Colmes just said on air that they had just hit the satellite!!!  Still waiting a confirmation story but still i think this is first mention.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 08:50:37 PM »

Yeah Cooper said it too, had a guest on
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 08:54:27 PM »

Both MSNBC and Reuters also have a mention at the top of their pages that a "military source" has said that they hit the satellite.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 08:55:35 PM »

Let's see where the debris falls now...
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 09:00:00 PM »

1,000 lbs of nuke fuel just exploded.

anyone ever hear of fallout?
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 09:00:36 PM »

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Navy Missile Hits Spy Satellite

    WASHINGTON (AP) - A missile launched from a Navy ship successfully struck a dying U.S. spy satellite passing 130 miles over the Pacific on Wednesday, a defense official said. Full details were not immediately available.

It happened just after 10:30 p.m. EST.

Two officials said the missile was launched successfully. One official, who is close to the process, said it hit the target. He said details on the results were not immediately known.

The goal in this first-of-its-kind mission for the Navy was not just to hit the satellite but to obliterate a tank aboard the spacecraft carrying 1,000 pounds of a toxic fuel called hydrazine.

U.S. officials have said the fuel would pose a potential health hazard to humans if it landed in a populated area. Although the odds of that were small even if the Pentagon had chosen not to try to shoot down the satellite, it was determined that it was worth trying to eliminate even that small chance.

Officials said it might take a day or longer to know for sure if the toxic fuel was blown up.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP)—A defense official says a missile launched from a Navy ship in the Pacific hit the U.S. spy satellite it was targeting 130 miles above Earth's surface. Full details are not yet available.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 09:09:23 PM »

Nuclear fallout


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout
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Fallout is the residual radiation hazard from a nuclear explosion, so named because it "falls out" of the atmosphere into which it is spread during the explosion. It commonly refers to the radioactive dust created when a nuclear weapon explodes. This radioactive dust, consisting of hot particles, is a kind of radioactive contamination. It can lead to contamination of the food chain. Fallout can also refer to the dust or debris that results from the nuclear explosion.Weapons of mass destruction


Types
There are many types of fallout, ranging from the global type to the more area-restricted types. Also the degenerative, indirect, exact, growing, and observant types.


Worldwide
After an air burst, the fission products, unfissioned nuclear material, and weapon residues which have been vaporized by the heat of the fireball will condense into a fine suspension of very small particles 10 nm to 20 µm in diameter. These particles may be quickly drawn up into the stratosphere, particularly if the explosive yield exceeds 10 kt.
 

Atmospheric nuclear weapon tests almost doubled the concentration of radioactive 14C in the Northern Hemisphere, before levels slowly declined following the Partial Test Ban Treaty.

Initially little was known about the dispersion of nuclear fallout on a global scale. The AEC assumed that fallout would be dispersed evenly across the globe, dispersed by atmospheric winds and will gradually settle to the earth's surface after weeks, months, and even years as worldwide fallout. Nuclear products were deposited in the Northern Hemisphere becoming "far more dangerous than they had originally been estimated[citation needed]."

The radio-biological hazard of worldwide fallout is essentially a long-term one because of the potential accumulation of long-lived radioisotopes (such as strontium-90 and caesium-137) in the body as a result of ingestion of foods containing the radioactive materials. This hazard is much less serious than those which are associated with local fallout, which is of much greater immediate operational concern. These will cause many deaths immediately effecting global one.


Local
In a land or water surface burst, large amounts of earth or water will be vaporized by the heat of the fireball and drawn up into the radioactive cloud. This material will become radioactive when it condenses with fission products and other radiocontaminants that have become neutron-activated. Many of the isotopes in the table below will decay into the isotopes that many people are more familiar with.
 

The roughly 280 mile long fallout plume from 15 Mt shot Castle Bravo, ca. 1954
Table (according to T. Imanaka et. al) of the relative abilities of isotopes to form solidsIsotope   Refractory index
91Sr   0.2
92Sr   1.0
95Zr   1.0
99Mo   1.0
106Ru   0.0
131Sb   0.1
132Te   0.0
134Te   0.0
137Cs   0.0
140Ba   0.3
141La   0.7
144Ce   1.0


Per capita thyroid doses in the continental United States resulting from all exposure routes from all atmospheric nuclear tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site from 1951-1962.

There will be large amounts of particles of less than 100 nm to several millimeters in diameter generated in a surface burst in addition to the very fine particles which contribute to worldwide fallout. The larger particles spill out of the stem and cascade down the outside of the fireball in a downdraft even while the cloud rises, so fallout begins to arrive near ground zero within an hour, and more than half the total bomb debris is deposited on the ground within about 24 hours as local fallout.

The chemical properties of the different elements in the fallout will control the rate at which they are deposited on the ground. The less volatile elements will deposit first.

Severe local fallout contamination can extend far beyond the blast and thermal effects, particularly in the case of high yield surface detonations. The ground track of fallout from an explosion depends on the weather situation from the time of detonation onwards. In stronger winds, fallout travels faster but takes the same time to descend, so although it covers a larger path, it is more spread out or diluted. So the width of the fallout pattern for any given dose rate is reduced where the downwind distance is increased by higher winds. The total amount of activity deposited up to any given time is the same irrespective of the wind pattern, so the overall casualty figures from fallout will generally be independent of the winds. But thunderstorms can bring down activity as rain more rapidly than dry fallout, particularly if the mushroom cloud is low enough to be below, or mixed with, the thunderstorm.

Whenever individuals remain in a radiologically contaminated area, such contamination will lead to an immediate external radiation exposure as well as a possible later internal hazard from inhalation and ingestion of radiocontaminants, such as the rather short-lived iodine-131, which is accumulated in the thyroid.


Factors affecting fallout

Nevada nuclear test total fallout outdoor gamma doses, 1950-57. The fallout is to the north and east because testing was only allowed when the wind was blowing in those directions.


Location

A formerly secret RAND Corporation simulation of the Castle Bravo fallout indicating that high levels on Rongelap may have been caused by a hotspot. Hotspots downwind are typical of bursts on coral in humid atmospheres and also occurred in the 1954 Yankee and Nectar water surface bursts, and the 1956 coral surface bursts Zuni and Tewa.

There are two main considerations for the location of an explosion: height and surface composition. A nuclear weapon detonated in the air, called an air burst, will produce less fallout than a comparable explosion near the ground. Less particulate matter will be contaminated by an air burst. Detonations at the surface (surface bursts) will tend to produce more fallout material.

In case of water surface bursts, the particles tend to be rather lighter and smaller, producing less local fallout but extending over a greater area. The particles contain mostly sea salts with some water; these can have a cloud seeding effect causing local rainout and areas of high local fallout. Fallout from a seawater burst is difficult to remove once it has soaked into porous surfaces because the fission products are present as metallic ions which become chemically bonded to many surfaces. Water and detergent washing is effective on removing less than about 50% of this chemically bonded activity from concrete or steel (complete decontamination requires aggressive treatment like sandblasting, or acidic treatment). After the Crossroads underwater test, it was found that wet fallout needs to be immediately removed from ships by continuous water washdown (such as from the fire sprinkler system on the decks).

For subsurface bursts, there is an additional phenomenon present called "base surge". The base surge is a cloud that rolls outward from the bottom of the subsiding column, which is cause by an excessive density of dust or water droplets in the air. For underwater bursts, the visible surge is, in effect, a cloud of liquid (usually water) droplets with the property of flowing almost as if it were a homogeneous fluid. After the water evaporates, an invisible base surge of small radioactive particles may persist.

For subsurface land bursts, the surge is made up of small solid particles, but it still behaves like a fluid. A soil earth medium favors base surge formation in an underground burst. Although the base surge typically contains only about 10% of the total bomb debris in a subsurface burst, it can create larger radiation doses than fallout near the detonation, because it arrives sooner than fallout, before much radioactive decay has occurred.


Meteorological

Comparison of fallout gamma dose and dose rate contours for a 1 Mt fission land surface burst, based on DELFIC calculations. Because of radioactive decay, the dose rate contours contract after fallout has arrived, but dose contours continue to grow

Meteorological conditions will greatly influence fallout, particularly local fallout. Atmospheric winds are able to bring fallout over large areas. For example, as a result of a Castle Bravo surface burst of a 15 Mt thermonuclear device at Bikini Atoll on March 1, 1954, a roughly cigar-shaped area of the Pacific extending over 500 km downwind and varying in width to a maximum of 100 km was severely contaminated. There are three very different versions of the fallout pattern from this test, because the fallout was only measured on a small number of widely spaced Pacific Atolls. The two alternative versions both ascribe the high radiation levels at north Rongelap to a downwind hotspot caused by the large amount of radioactivity carried on fallout particles of about 50-100 micrometres size [1].

After Bravo, it was discovered that fallout landing on the ocean disperses in the top water layer (above the thermocline at 100 m depth), and the land equivalent dose rate can be calculated by multiplying the ocean dose rate at two days after burst by a factor of about 530. In other 1954 tests, including Yankee and Nectar, hotspots were mapped out by ships with submersible probes, and similar hotspots occurred in 1956 tests such as Zuni and Tewa [2] However, the major U.S. 'DELFIC' (Defence Land Fallout Interpretive Code) computer calculations use the natural size distributions of particles in soil instead of the afterwind sweep-up spectrum, and this results in more straightforward fallout patterns lacking the downwind hotspot.

Snow and rain, especially if they come from considerable heights, will accelerate local fallout. Under special meteorological conditions, such as a local rain shower that originates above the radio-active cloud, limited areas of heavy contamination just downwind of a nuclear blast may be formed.


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A wide range of biological changes may follow the irradiation of animals. These vary from rapid death following high doses of penetrating whole-body radiation, to essentially normal lives for a variable period of time until the development of delayed radiation effects, in a portion of the exposed population, following low dose exposures.

The unit of actual exposure is the Röntgen which is defined in ionisations per unit volume of air, and all ionisation based instruments (including geiger counters and ionisation chambers) measure exposure. However, effects depend on the energy per unit mass, not the exposure measured in air. A deposit of 1 joule per kilogram has the unit of 1 gray. For 1 MeV energy gamma rays, an exposure of 1 röntgen in air will produce a dose of about 0.01 gray (1 centigray, cGy) in water or surface tissue. Because of shielding by the tissue surrounding the bones, the bone marrow will only receive about 0.67 cGy when the air exposure is 1 röntgen and the surface skin dose is 1 cGy. Some of the lower values reported for the amount of radiation which would kill 50% of personnel (the 'LD50') refer to bone marrow dose, which is only 67% of the air dose.


Short term
Further information: LD50

When comparing the effects of various types or circumstances, the dose which is lethal to 50% of a given population is a common parameter. The term is usually defined for a specific time, which is generally limited to studies of acute lethality. The common time periods used are 30 days or less for most small laboratory animals and to 60 days for large animals and humans. The LD50 figure assumes that the individuals did not receive other injuries or medical treatment.

In the 1950s, the LD50 for gamma rays was set at 3.5 Gy, while under more dire conditions of war (a bad diet, little medical care, poor nursing) the LD50 was 2.5 Gy (250 rad). There have been few documented cases of survival beyond 6 Gy. One person at Chernobyl survived a dose of more than 10 Gy, but many of the persons exposed there were not uniformly exposed over their entire body. If a person is exposed in a non-homogeneous manner then a given dose (averaged over the entire body) is less likely to be of a lethal dose. For instance if a person gets a hand/low arm dose of 100 Gy which gives them an overall dose of 4 Gy then they are more likely to survive than a person who gets a 4 Gy dose uniformly over their entire body. A hand dose of 10 Gy or more will likely result in loss of the hand; a British industrial radiographer who got a lifetime hand dose of 100 Gy lost his hand because of radiation dermatitis[citation needed]. Most people become ill after an exposure to 1 Gy or more. The fetuses of pregnant women are often more vulnerable than the host body and may miscarry, especially in the first trimester. Though the human biology resists mutation from large radiation exposure; grossly mutated fetuses usually miscarry, and this often causes gene-faults.

One hour after a surface burst, the radiation from fallout in the crater region is 30 grays per hour (Gy/h). Civilian dose rates in peacetime range from 30 to 100 µGy per year.

Fallout radiation decays exponentially relatively quickly with time. Most areas become fairly safe for travel and decontamination after three to five weeks.

For yields of up to 10 kt, prompt radiation is the dominant producer of casualties on the battlefield. Humans receiving an acute incapacitating dose (30 Gy) will have their performance degraded almost immediately and become ineffective within several hours. However, they will not die until 5 to 6 days after exposure assuming they do not receive any other injuries.

Individuals receiving less than a total of 1.5 Gy will not be incapacitated. People receiving doses greater than 1.5 Gy will become disabled; some will eventually die.

A dose of 5.3 Gy to 8.3 Gy is considered lethal but not immediately incapacitating. Personnel exposed to this amount of radiation will have their performance degraded within 2 to 3 hours, depending on how physically demanding the tasks they must perform are, and will remain in this disabled state at least 2 days. However, at that point they will experience a recovery period and be effective at performing non-demanding tasks for about 6 days, after which they will relapse for about 4 weeks. At this time they will begin exhibiting symptoms of radiation poisoning of sufficient severity to render them totally ineffective. Death follows at approximately 6 weeks after exposure, although results may vary.


Long term
Late or delayed effects of radiation occur following a wide range of doses and dose rates. Delayed effects may appear months to years after irradiation and include a wide variety of effects involving almost all tissues or organs. Some of the possible delayed consequences of radiation injury are life shortening, carcinogenesis, cataract formation, chronic radiodermatitis, decreased fertility, and genetic mutations. [1]


Tactical military considerations

Comparison of predicted fallout "hotline" with test results in the 3.53 Mt 15% fission Zuni test at Bikini in 1956. The predictions were made under simulated tactical nuclear war conditions aboard ship by Edward A. Schuert.

Blast injuries and thermal burns from the use of nuclear weapons for military action in many cases will far outnumber radiation injuries. However, radiation effects are considerably more complex and varied than are blast or thermal effects and are subject to considerable misunderstanding.

The closer to ground an atomic bomb is detonated, the more dust and debris is thrown into the air, resulting in greater amounts of local fallout. From a tactical standpoint, this has the disadvantage of hindering any occupation/invading efforts until the fallout clears, but more directly, the impact with the ground severely limits the destructive force of the bomb. For these reasons, ground bursts are not usually considered tactically advantageous, with the exception of hardened underground targets such as missile silos or command centers, however "salting" enemy territory with a fallout-heavy atomic burst can be used to deny ill-equipped civilians/military personnel access to a contaminated area.


Fallout protection
During the Cold War, the governments of the U.S. and USSR attempted to educate their citizens about surviving a nuclear attack. In the U.S., this effort became known as Civil Defense. The government provided procedures on minimizing short-term exposure to fallout, but currently, the popular attitude towards fallout protection is that short-term survival in a global thermonuclear war would be futile, and fallout shelters are no longer maintained even though fallout shelters could almost entirely eliminate the fallout-related casualties of a Chernobyl-type accident.[citation needed]


Nuclear reactor accident
Fallout can also refer to nuclear accidents, although a nuclear reactor does not explode like a nuclear weapon. The isotopic signature of bomb fallout is very different from the fallout from a serious power reactor accident (such as Chernobyl). The key differences are in volatility and half-life.


Volatility
The boiling point of an element (or its compounds) is able to control the percentage of that element which is released by a power reactor accident. In addition the ability of an element to form a solid controls the rate at which it is deposited on the ground after it has been injected into the atmosphere by a nuclear detonation.


Half-life
In bomb fallout, a large amount of short-lived isotopes such as 97Zr are present. This isotope and the other short-lived isotopes are being constantly generated in a power reactor, but because the criticality occurs over a long length of time the majority of these short lived isotopes decay before they can be released.

Below is shown a comparison of the calculated gamma dose rates in open air from the fallout of a fission bomb and of the Chernobyl release. It is clear that average half-life of the Chernobyl release is longer than that for the bomb fallout.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 09:17:50 PM »

So who was on the ship for the lunar eclipse nuke blast satanic ritual orgy in the lower decks?

Condi

George

Robert

Anybody else "out of the country?"
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008, 09:18:27 PM »

So who was on the ship for the lunar eclipse nuke blast satanic ritual orgy aboard the ship?

Condi

George

Robert

Anybody else "out of the country?"

Rummy?
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2008, 09:20:11 PM »

Rummy?

he would definitely be there

what about blair, fox, chiraq
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008, 09:23:01 PM »

he would definitely be there

what about blair, fox, chiraq

Blair is in Europe somewhere making sure he becomes the dictator of the EU soon. Chiraq unsure, Fox might be in Spain having a drink with his buddy Blair...
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2008, 09:24:12 PM »

Wait a minute?  Bush was on that ship?
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2008, 09:26:19 PM »

Wait a minute?  Bush was on that ship?

I thought Bush was in Africa?? Mind Africa can keep him in my eyes..
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2008, 09:29:50 PM »

Are you guys doing some kind of drinking game like on Super Tuesday?  Bush and Condi are in Africa arent they
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2008, 09:35:41 PM »

So did they call off the fricking multinational wargames?

Ar we still on martial law standby?

Have all the battlestation orders been rescinded?

Is Robert Gates heading back to duty?
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2008, 09:36:42 PM »

So did they call off the fricking multinational wargames?

Ar we still on martial law standby?

Have all the battlestation orders been rescinded?

Is Robert Gates heading back to duty?

What the CRAP is going on?  War-games?  Martial Law?  Did i miss something?Huh?
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2008, 09:39:03 PM »

So did they call off the fricking multinational wargames?

Ar we still on martial law standby?

Have all the battlestation orders been rescinded?

Is Robert Gates heading back to duty?
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2008, 09:39:14 PM »

Putin - who I think is an evil snake - says they could have just let it burn up and fall, but they wanted a shootdown as a power display and threat to Russia and every other country that they can take out their space ships if they want.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2008, 09:39:32 PM »


Animated Video: Watch how the missile is expected to hit the failed satellite, and the debris that results.
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I cannot believe that this was a "spontaneous decision" to deal with a similar situation that has occured multiple times before (there are over 3,000 satellites up there and they come down all the time.)

So what about the nuke fallout?

Is this a test of the missle defense system?

Did they do a missile to missile nuke test and they are going to be testing fallout over North America?

Is that why they have thousands of nuke ratiation testers all over US/Canada?

But the US would never test nuke fallout on its citizens.
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I cannot believe that this was a "spontaneous decision" to deal with a similar situation that has occured multiple times before (there are over 3,000 satellites up there and they come down all the time.)

So what about the nuke fallout?

Is this a test of the missle defense system?

Did they do a missile to missile nuke test and they are going to be testing fallout over North America?

Is that why they have thousands of nuke ratiation testers all over US/Canada?

But the US would never test nuke fallout on its citizens.

There is no conspiracy...btw were you being serious about the martial law thing?
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2008, 09:42:58 PM »

What the CRAP is going on?  War-games?  Martial Law?  Did i miss something?Huh?

Multinational wargames... http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=306.0

Martial Law standby from FEMA for any area that FEMA deems has "debris" from the "satellite"

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Multinational wargames... http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=306.0

Martial Law standby from FEMA for any area that FEMA deems has "debris" from the "satellite"



Holy crap....i just got an emergency supply bag ready, i'm gone if the feds start marching in
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2008, 09:44:48 PM »

There is no conspiracy...btw were you being serious about the martial law thing?

this is not countrywide, just any few miles that FEMA is ordered to f**k with.

They can say shit like "well we report radiation here, everyone needs to clear out" or whatever.

I do not think they will do it in an area that has a pp forum member : )
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2008, 09:45:51 PM »

this is not countrywide, just any few miles that FEMA is ordered to f**k with.

They can say shit like "well we report radiation here, everyone needs to clear out" or whatever.

I do not think they will do it in an area that has a pp forum member : )
Bastards, and of course the MSM will never tell us.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2008, 09:51:08 PM »

Here are the wargames:

Exercise Initial Thunder (Vancouver and Victoria)   
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=27710.0
AGENCIES INVLOVED:
CBRNE: chemical, biological, radiological and explosives counter-terrorism exercise.
CRTI: Chemical, Biological, Radiological-Nuclear, and Explosives Research and Technology Initiative.
DND: Department of National Defence.
DRDC: Defence Research and Development Canada, a department of the DND serving the scientific needs of the military.
AECL: Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd. The engineers of the Candu reactor do research at CRL, Chalk River Laboratories.
CBSA: Canada Border Services Agency.
CNSC: Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, Canada's regulator of nuclear energy.
DGNS: Director General of National Defence, monitors safe uses of ionizing radiation sources.
NRCan: Natural Resources Canada, champions expertise in earth sciences, metals and minerals.
FNEP: Federal Nuclear Emergency Program.
NEEC -- National Environmental Emergencies Centre.
CANUTEC: Canadian Transport Emergency Centre of the Department of Transport.
BCAS: B.C. Ambulance Services.
RCMP: Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
BC PEP: B.C. Provincial Emergency Program, advises and coordinates locale services during disasters.


Project "Burnt Frost" (All of US/Canada/US interests overseas):
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=27692.0
AUDIENCE   PRINCIPAL   STAFF   TARGETS   TACTICS   STATUS
Interagency   NSC, DOS, DHS   OSD (Mr Henry), JCS (Gen Cartwright), DHS/FEMA   NSC, WHO-LA, DOS, Select Agencies   Complete interagency coordination of PA products   On-Going
Foreign Governments   DOS   DOS (Mr Buenneke, Mr Katsapis)   Burnt Frost partners, MD Cooperative Program partners, Allies approached for Chinese ASAT demarche, other major spacefaring nations notified on reentry    Conduct Diplomatic Notations, Briefings to Washington Diplomatic Corps   
International Organizations   DOS   DOS (Mr Buenneke, Mr Katsapis)   NATO, UN Security Council, Conference on Disarmament, Committee on the Peaceful Use of Outer Space, European Space Agency   Conduct Diplomatic Notifications   
Congress   OASD/LA   Amb Jeffrey (NSC), Mr Henry (OSD), Gen Cartwright (JCS),
Mr Griffin (NASA), Gen Chilton (STRATCOM)   Senate, House   Conduct Congressional Briefings 
Media & US/Intl Public   OASD/PA   NSC (Amb Jeffrey), JCS (Gen Cartwright), DHS (Mr Cannon), NASA (Mr Griffin)   National/International Press   Conduct DoD Press Briefing 
AUDIENCE   PRINCIPAL   STAFF   TARGETS   TACTICS   STATUS
Echo Chamber   OASD/PA   OASD/PA (Ms Healy, Lt Col Finn, Maj Ryder)   Opinion Influencers   Conduct Conf Call for Military Analysts
Potential Country (Countries) of Impact   DOS   DOS(Mr Buenneke, Mr Katsapis) , NRO Task Force, USSTRATCOM, NASA   Foreign national governments, regional and local first responders   Provide consequence management advisories (NLT 28 Feb 08); Diplomatic and NASA notifications satellite orbit and Tracking and Impact Predictions (T-4 days and onwards); Publication of Impact Prediction Lines (T-24 hours and onwards)
Potential Country (Countries) of Impact   DOS   USSTRATCOM, Appropriate COCOM, Interagency Hydrazine Response and Payload Recovery Teams   Foreign national governments, regional and local govts, local population   Conduct Consequence Mgt and payload recovery in foreign nation(s) where debris lands   
Media & US/Intl Public   OASD/PA   OSD (Mr Henry), JCS (Gen Cartwright)   National/International Press   Conduct Press Briefing and/or Issue News Release on Engagement Results   Estimated
DoD members   OASD/PA   OASD/PA (Ms Gleason, Ms Ressler)   Internal Audience   Obtain AFIS, Pentagon Channel Coverage   Estimated Start:
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2008, 09:52:11 PM »

Also, be aware of these guys who have "shoot to kill" orders:>

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=26316.0
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2008, 09:52:30 PM »

Here are the wargames:

Exercise Initial Thunder (Vancouver and Victoria)   
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=27710.0
AGENCIES INVLOVED:
CBRNE: chemical, biological, radiological and explosives counter-terrorism exercise.
CRTI: Chemical, Biological, Radiological-Nuclear, and Explosives Research and Technology Initiative.
DND: Department of National Defence.
DRDC: Defence Research and Development Canada, a department of the DND serving the scientific needs of the military.
AECL: Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd. The engineers of the Candu reactor do research at CRL, Chalk River Laboratories.
CBSA: Canada Border Services Agency.
CNSC: Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, Canada's regulator of nuclear energy.
DGNS: Director General of National Defence, monitors safe uses of ionizing radiation sources.
NRCan: Natural Resources Canada, champions expertise in earth sciences, metals and minerals.
FNEP: Federal Nuclear Emergency Program.
NEEC -- National Environmental Emergencies Centre.
CANUTEC: Canadian Transport Emergency Centre of the Department of Transport.
BCAS: B.C. Ambulance Services.
RCMP: Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
BC PEP: B.C. Provincial Emergency Program, advises and coordinates locale services during disasters.


Project "Burnt Frost" (All of US/Canada/US interests overseas):
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=27692.0
AUDIENCE   PRINCIPAL   STAFF   TARGETS   TACTICS   STATUS
Interagency   NSC, DOS, DHS   OSD (Mr Henry), JCS (Gen Cartwright), DHS/FEMA   NSC, WHO-LA, DOS, Select Agencies   Complete interagency coordination of PA products   On-Going
Foreign Governments   DOS   DOS (Mr Buenneke, Mr Katsapis)   Burnt Frost partners, MD Cooperative Program partners, Allies approached for Chinese ASAT demarche, other major spacefaring nations notified on reentry    Conduct Diplomatic Notations, Briefings to Washington Diplomatic Corps   
International Organizations   DOS   DOS (Mr Buenneke, Mr Katsapis)   NATO, UN Security Council, Conference on Disarmament, Committee on the Peaceful Use of Outer Space, European Space Agency   Conduct Diplomatic Notifications   
Congress   OASD/LA   Amb Jeffrey (NSC), Mr Henry (OSD), Gen Cartwright (JCS),
Mr Griffin (NASA), Gen Chilton (STRATCOM)   Senate, House   Conduct Congressional Briefings 
Media & US/Intl Public   OASD/PA   NSC (Amb Jeffrey), JCS (Gen Cartwright), DHS (Mr Cannon), NASA (Mr Griffin)   National/International Press   Conduct DoD Press Briefing 
AUDIENCE   PRINCIPAL   STAFF   TARGETS   TACTICS   STATUS
Echo Chamber   OASD/PA   OASD/PA (Ms Healy, Lt Col Finn, Maj Ryder)   Opinion Influencers   Conduct Conf Call for Military Analysts
Potential Country (Countries) of Impact   DOS   DOS(Mr Buenneke, Mr Katsapis) , NRO Task Force, USSTRATCOM, NASA   Foreign national governments, regional and local first responders   Provide consequence management advisories (NLT 28 Feb 08); Diplomatic and NASA notifications satellite orbit and Tracking and Impact Predictions (T-4 days and onwards); Publication of Impact Prediction Lines (T-24 hours and onwards)
Potential Country (Countries) of Impact   DOS   USSTRATCOM, Appropriate COCOM, Interagency Hydrazine Response and Payload Recovery Teams   Foreign national governments, regional and local govts, local population   Conduct Consequence Mgt and payload recovery in foreign nation(s) where debris lands   
Media & US/Intl Public   OASD/PA   OSD (Mr Henry), JCS (Gen Cartwright)   National/International Press   Conduct Press Briefing and/or Issue News Release on Engagement Results   Estimated
DoD members   OASD/PA   OASD/PA (Ms Gleason, Ms Ressler)   Internal Audience   Obtain AFIS, Pentagon Channel Coverage   Estimated Start:
Thanks for the links! You're all over this man good job.
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2008, 09:55:01 PM »

Perhaps there was something else on the satellite that needed to be destroyed?  It was from the National Reconnaissance Office, so there could be other reasons to want it in pieces. 
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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2008, 09:57:54 PM »

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Thanks for the links! You're all over this man good job.

Actually rphope is the one who got all the info, he is the one responsible for 80+% of tonight's research.
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2008, 09:59:52 PM »

I don't think they used a nuke.doesn't it take a lb of plutonium(or some other radioactive substance)to make an emp big enough to disrupt electricity to the whole northern hemisphere?Even over the ocean?I gotta get up early but the reports should be coming in soon.Somebody should have something on it.On a non related topic I watched the first half of the eclipse and when the news man had his pic up it was almost orange but when I looked outside it did not look anything like it did on tv(position or eclipse stage wise.?)
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2008, 10:01:51 PM »

Perhaps there was something else on the satellite that needed to be destroyed?  It was from the National Reconnaissance Office, so there could be other reasons to want it in pieces. 

yeah we though about that, but it would not warrent a nuke fallout over the entire western hemisphere risk along with over 100 agencies on "wargame" exercises. 

I mean this was a test of the missile defense system to give the MIC the opportunity to say "see we can survive nuke holocaust, keep the pressure on Iran!"

We just used over $2 Billion in technology.  You think that was done to prevent NRO secrets?  And why was it done on the exact second of a lunar eclipse that was blacked out by the MSM. We know the Illuminati/Pagan/Satanists love the astrological crap to conduct their fun wargame stuff.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2008, 10:09:03 PM »

So did they call off the fricking multinational wargames?

There's also a two week long joint US - Philippines wargame on here in the Wild East. It started 2 days ago (18 Feb).

The focus is 'Disaster Response' and 'Humanitarian Missions'.

Big Brother loves us so much.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/18/content_7626724.htm
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2008, 10:11:12 PM »

There's also a two week long joint US - Philippines wargame on here in the Wild East. It started 2 days ago (18 Feb).

The focus is 'Disaster Response' and 'Humanitarian Missions'.

Big Brother loves us so much.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/18/content_7626724.htm

please start a new thread with it in the new room:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=306.0
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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2008, 10:12:45 PM »

Got me Sane, I can't think of any reason other than the potential civilian casualties.  If they have another reason to blow it up, then it could be occult in origin... Cry

Maybe they just need another source to scare the sheeple with, like SkyLab.  Plus it gives them an excuse to try out martial law plans to some degree.

You are right though, the timing of the exercise is a bit of a mystery.
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2008, 10:17:36 PM »

DOD has info as well: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49024

Missile Hits Decaying Satellite Over Pacific
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 20, 2008 – A network of land-, air-, sea- and spaced-based sensors confirms that the U.S. military intercepted a non-functioning National Reconnaissance Office satellite which was in its final orbits before entering the earth's atmosphere.

At approximately 10:26 p.m. EST today, a U.S. Navy AEGIS warship, the USS Lake Erie (CG-70), fired a single modified tactical Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) hitting the satellite approximately 247 kilometers (133 nautical miles) over the Pacific Ocean as it traveled in space at more than 17,000 mph. USS Decatur (DDG-73) and USS Russell (DDG-59) were also part of the task force.

The objective was to rupture the fuel tank to dissipate the approximately 1,000 pounds (453 kg) of hydrazine, a hazardous fuel which could pose a danger to people on earth, before it entered into earth's atmosphere. Confirmation that the fuel tank has been fragmented should be available within 24 hours.

Due to the relatively low altitude of the satellite at the time of the engagement, debris will begin to re-enter the earth’s atmosphere immediately. Nearly all of the debris will burn up on reentry within 24-48 hours and the remaining debris should re-enter within 40 days.

DoD will conduct a press briefing at 7 a.m. EST to provide further information related to the operation. The briefing can be viewed live on www.Defenselink.com through the Pentagon Channel.

"Nearly all of the debris will burn up on reentry within 24-48 hours and the remaining debris should re-enter within 40 days."


WTF?

We have to be under wargames for 40 fricking days while they test for the nuclear fallout?

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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2008, 10:18:51 PM »

You are right though, the timing of the exercise is a bit of a mystery.

and that the media did not report it.

usually lunar eclipses are reported a month in advance, I have heard nothing until today.
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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2008, 10:22:46 PM »

The operation was so extraordinary, with such intense international publicity and political ramifications, that Defense Secretary Robert Gates—not a military commander—was to make the final decision to pull the trigger.

The government organized hazardous materials teams, under the code name "Burnt Frost," to be flown to the site of any dangerous or otherwise sensitive debris that might land in the United States or elsewhere.

Also, six federal response groups that are positioned across the country by the Federal Emergency Management Agency have been alerted but not activated, FEMA spokesman James McIntyre said. "These are purely precautionary and preparedness actions only," he said.
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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2008, 10:34:17 PM »

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The objective was to rupture the fuel tank to dissipate the approximately 1,000 pounds (453 kg) of hydrazine, a hazardous fuel which could pose a danger to people on earth, before it entered into earth's atmosphere.

Note: they want to 'rupture' the tank and 'dissipate the fuel'. They don't want to blow it up, destroy, burn up the stuff.

If they let it fall it would have burned up. Maybe now it will fall gently over the earth over a period of 40 days. And they can monitor it coming down over the pacific from the Philippines to the west coast of America.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but... Roll Eyes
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