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« on: February 20, 2008, 06:23:43 PM »



anyone interested in Cobain's death should see some of the bizarre projects Cobain was associated with prior to his death, and some of the CIA people he was directly involved with.

Cobain did the musical background for a William Burroughs-narrated tape, an audio excerpt from that author's book titled 'Exterminator'
(odd elements of bisexuality , heroin addiction, cannibalism and murder involved).

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3100765877510913408&q=burroughs+Cobain&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Cobain wanted Burroughs, a known homosexual activist, to cameo in his 'Heart Shaped Box' video,

and wrote in his journals that he wanted Burroughs to simulate a sexual assault on him. The plan was to depict Burroughs raping Cobain from behind and dying on top of him, and orgasming his life energy into Cobain , complete with medical footage of semen flowing through the interior of a pen*s. Burroughs declined the offer. Cobain considered Burroughs a sort of protege, a fellow bisexual/heroin addict/writer.
Here is the link proving it:

[ http://realitystudio.org/biography/william-s-burroughs-and-kurt-cobain-a-dossier/ ]

It sounds like Cobain was attempting to involve Burroughs in the simulation of some sort of sex magick ritual. Ancient tribes have been known to perform rituals with the dying elders submitting to be ritually killed, and eaten, so that their life force may be passed on and live on in those who carry
on afterward.

It has been said that Cobain was into the occult. Cobain likely had knowledge of real life sex magick or enochian rituals.

Burroughs is a noted occultist (OTO):
http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/2005/phantom.htm


Here is some background on Burroughs , a video biography (featuring some interesting information re: Burrough's activities in murdering his wife, as an assassin for the CIA, and his weapons collection, homosexuality, drug addiction, being sent at 15 to a masonic Los Alamos training camp etc.:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9198809969200913970&q=burroughs+biography&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Cobain may have been killed in some sort of ritual, either voluntarily or involuntarily.


Courtney Love making satanic hand sign



Anyone interested in Cobain cannot miss seeing 'My Own Private Idaho' starring River Phoenix.  It was made by Gus Van Sant , who was very close to the circle of people that Cobain was surrounded by all his life.
Van Sant  lives in Portland, which is closely to the whole west coast Seattle scene.  

I think 'My Own Private Idaho was loosely based on the type of life that Cobain led prior to becoming successful in music.

The main character Mike, played by River Phoenix, is a homeless young Seattle drug addict who prostitutes himself to men to feed his drug habit. I have read that Cobain was himself a homeless drug addict who slept under a bridge and at the library , and hung around pickup spots (prostitution) to feed his drug habit. This was in the years before he became a successful musician.

Another interesting fact is that the main character suffered from narcolepsy, a condition in which sufferers of this disease pass out and fall into a sleeping state when under stress. Cobain was also narcoleptic .
The character in My Own Private Idaho is victimized by a brutal father and was from a broken home, and suffers 'blackout periods' where he does not know what happened.

It is also known that Cobain dabbled in the occult.

My Own Private Idaho was made by gay activist film maker Gus Van Sant, (WRITTEN AND DIRECTED) who also directed 'Last Days' , starring Michael Pitt, and loosely based on Cobain's last weeks of life.

Kurt Cobain and River Phoenix both were personal friends of Michael Stipe, another prominent gay rights advocate, and both Cobain and Phoenix died the same year.

Another eerie coincidence is that there is a scene in My Own Private Idaho where River Phoenix flies to Rome and has a blackout during a homosexual prostitution session with an Italian man, and mysteriously finds himself, presumably days later, on a plane back to Portland, while Cobain had his first brush with death after a concert in Rome. Cobain and River Phoenix knew eachother, and after the death of River Phoenix, Cobain dedicated a song to him at one of his concerts. Phoenix and Cobain died within six months of eachother, both dead of heroin overdose.

My guess is that if Cobain saw 'My Own Private Idaho' when it came out in late October 1991, or later, it would have had a major personal impact on his psyche.

narcolepsy is a known trait of MKultra or Monarch projects

interesting but possibly useless tidbit:

Nirvana's hit record 'Never Mind' has an infant immersed in water on the cover, and MKUltra is known to begin conditioning subjects from infancy, with torture techniques that are known to include water boarding.
The main character in the movie My Own Private Idaho, Mike , is revealed to have been in a mental institution at the age of one, with his mentally unbalanced mother. This would mean that Mike would have been situated perfectly to undergo mind control programming during infancy at the institute.

here is a clip of the beginning of My Own Private Idaho.
Notice one of the earliest scenes place in Seattle, before the story moves on to Idaho:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwAftKY1ks&feature=related

the entire movie is there, in 11 ten minute pieces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVL0qW7lhM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llbj6UEQVIQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbacWabiOE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaK4YO0nXkc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-Kx3YiCK0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMGbDxkpY8k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upjIW-cxT8Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LJs2osoQbQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuygD6ao_uw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aToYZaJjT8Y&feature=related

Check out River Phoenix's childhood being raised by the Children of God hippie cult:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/family/family5.html
Like Cobain, Phoenix was raised with a mission to be an entertainer from early age (like so many of them , from Judy Garland to Jon Benet Ramsey to Britney Spears, etc. etc. That's what the Mickey Mouse Club is all about , after all)

check out the trailer for the film 'Last Days' , based on the final days of Kurt Cobain's life, and written and directed by Gus Van Sant , the same guy who made My Own Private Idaho:

http://www.youtube.com/v/HFWnZW3esb8
If you watch 'Last Days' you will see Cobain going into the same narcoleptic sleep that Phoenix does in 'My Own Private Idaho', and both films were written and directed by Gus Van Sant.



Cobain compared himself to Frances Farmer, who was in and out of mental institutions, another possible 'project'.


Farmer with Tyrone Power in Son of Fury (1942).

Here is a link to information on how Seattle-born actress Frances Farmer was allegedly abused by the psychiatric community, electroshocked, and even raped on military bases:

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/frances/index.htm

A lot of this information had been dismissed, even ridiculed, as hyperbole and exaggeration at the time that it emerged, but in light of what is now publicly known to have happened with MKUltra , Monarch, etc. ........it is really not as far-fetched now as it must have seemed back then, when virtually nothing was known about this type of secret activity.

It sounds almost like they attempted to turn her into a multiple.

Oddly enough, Farmer once worked at the Fairmont Olympic Hotel, another massive gothic rail hotel similar to the one that Cobain was staying at in Banff when given the lyrics. In fact it is part of the same Fairmont chain of hotels.

Here is a picture of Cobain meeting with homosexual author William Burroughs at his lakeside cottage residence just outside of Lawrence, Kansas in October 1993:



This is a photo that Burroughs snapped of Cobain using the cottage toilet. ( Burroughs sent Cobain this photo on Cobain's 27th birthday:


this just gets weirder and weirder the more I look at it.

-Cobain met his idol, author William S. Burroughs, six months before his (Cobain's ) death in April 1994

-Burroughs was famous for having 'accidentally' shot his wife Joan, fatally, in the forehead, at a party in Mexico, (for which he was never imprisoned) in 1951



-In the year 2000, Cobain's widow Courtney Love played the part of Burrough's murdered wife Joan in a film called 'Beat' , starring Kiefer Sutherland, which was a biographical film about
William S. Burroughs: http://imdb.com/title/tt0211941/

-the 1991 David Cronenberg film Naked Lunch ( http://imdb.com/title/tt0102511/ ) which was written by David Cronenberg , loosely reflects events in the life of author Burroughs as he wrote the novel Naked Lunch. The main character, writer Bill Lee, works as an 'exterminator' who 'kills bugs with drugs', is himself a drug addict working for the CIA, spies on drug operations in foreign countries, suffers hallucinations, and answers to a 'controller'.



Here is an example of the kind of metaphors, (what could be termed 'CIA metaphors') embedded in 'Naked Lunch':

In this scene, Peter Weller, (playing the part of William S. Burroughs) is forced to 'prove his credentials' before being allowed entry into the country of 'Annexia'.

So he shoots his wife in the head. At which point , he is told 'Welcome to Annexia'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9CwWpcwe78


It is, imo, a metaphor for how hard-core criminal/satanic secret societies demand that people make incredible personal sacrifices to prove their utter devotion and commitment to the group before being allowed to join:

In this case, William S. Burroughs, who is famous for having 'accidentally' shot his wife in the head, is depicted as actually having carried out the act as a means to gain entry to another secret level or realm of the network.



I have been finding a very close association between director Gus Van Sant and William S. Burroughs.
Van Sant did at least four projects involving William Burroughs, including a music CD, two short films,
and a motion picture:


Elvis Of Letters (1985) Music: William S. Burroughs,Gus Van Sant

The Discipline of DE (1978) Gus Van Sant (9 min, 16 mm black and white, adaptation of William S. Burroughs' short story, narrated by Ken Shapiro) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOCG7ETVu8

Thanksgiving Prayer (1991) Gus Van Sant (2 min, 35 mm color, written by and starring William S. Burroughs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=376pRakLvZU

Even Cowgirls Get the Blues (1993) Gus Van Sant (feature length film, features a diverse cast [Keanu Reeves, Roseanne Barr, Uma Thurman, Rain Phoenix, and k.d. lang], with cameos by William S. Burroughs and Heather Graham,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrlxcg1r5jY


Some more interesting tidbits here:

Gus Van Sant wrote and directed 'Last Days' , a film about the final hours of Kurt Cobain.
Van Sant's 'My Own Private Idaho' features a 'Brokeback Mountain' style campfire scene between Keanu Reaves and River Phoenix
River Phoenix and Kurt Cobain died within six months of each other, both of a heroin overdose.
Gus Van Sant wrote and directed 'Even Cowgirls Get the Blues', a lesbian version of Brokeback Mountain.
Heath Ledger starred as a gay cowboy in Brokeback Mountain.
Peter Weller played the part of William S. Burroughs in 'Naked Lunch'
Peter Weller starred opposite Heath Ledger in 'The Order' .
Heath Ledger died, like Cobain , in his late twenties, alone, involving a drug overdose.

Everything I find out about Gus Van Sant leads to more connections to
this CIA activity.
He is now going to be directing a new film out next year called
'The Electric KoolAid Acid Test', http://slyoyster.com/moviestv/2007/gus-vant-sant-drinking-the-electric-kool-aid/


The book/movie based on a real event, and is all about a CIA-sponsored group called the 'The Merry Pranksters' who toured America in the mid-sixties, methodically distributing marijuana, amphetamines, and LSD.

Names connected to this group include Kesey, Kerouac, Ginsberg, Hunter Thompson, and even William Burroughs , who appeared at a Kesey organized hippy poetry festival in the mid-seventies.


Courtney Love making satanic hand sign

Cobain worshipped homosexual, drug addict author William Burroughs, who at one point visited Rome, and then lived at a house in Tangiers which was used as a child prostitution brothel , prostituting male Moroccan children to visiting male tourists.
The film 'My Own Private Idaho' depicts a Seattle 16 year old gay-male prostitute who has been living on the streets since he was twelve, is narcoleptic, suffers blackouts of missing time, and is transported around the world (including Rome). The boy's 'specialty' is apparently a propensity for passing out whenever he is told to disrobe for his customers. (could be some embedded mind control program, in that the act of disrobing under those circumstances is an embedded 'trigger', that makes him pass out or shift into his 'alter' state)

. The film 'My Own Private Idaho' appears to be showcasing the fruits of the labors of the CIA in some bizarre fashion.
Mike accusing his handler of selling his body for sex 'while he is asleep'.
Cobain is said to have once worked as a gay prostitute to feed his heroin habit, and toured Europe (including Rome) promoting a minor record before becoming famous with his second album. Cobain was also said to be narcoleptic, which has led to speculation that 'My Own Private Idaho' was a film depicting the exact sort of specimen that Cobain was prior to gaining fame as a musician.


Now listen to this bizarre reading by Burroughs , who always wrote semi-autobiographically , speaking of stealing a bag of severed limbs to feed his heroin habit (with , bizarrely, a heroin-addicted Kurt Cobain providing the background music. Cobain arranged to do this project with Burroughs, and later traveled to meet with Burroughs at his cottage) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pfd3OtPQoA#cDv82sCD0b4


First, it is as yet no certainty for me that Burroughs was CIA. I think it likely that he was. He says that he was almost recruited, and says that someone scuttled it for him, but who knows what the truth is ? Put it this way, if he had worked as a killer for the CIA, would he be eager to piss off the CIA by broadcasting that to the world?
Of course not. He would issue a denial of any relation to the CIA, if he knew what was good for him.

anyone interested in this should see his biography film on Google video:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9198809969200913970&q=burroughs+biography&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

it shows him posing with his weapons collection.
He always said "write what you know about" and openly admits that most of his work is semi-autobiographical, so when he starts writing doing heroin about a bag containing severed brown legs, it does get interesting.
He lived in Mexico, South America, Morrocco

from Wikipedia:
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When he found Rome and Ansen’s company dreary, inspired by Paul Bowles' fiction, he decided to head for Tangier, Morocco.[13] In a home owned by a known procurer of homosexual prostitutes for visiting American and English men, he rented a room and began to write a large body of text that he personally referred to as Interzone[14]. Burroughs lived in Tangier for several months, before returning to the United States where he suffered several personal indignities- Ginsberg was in California and refused to see him, A. A. Wyn, the publisher of Junkie, was not forthcoming with his royalties and his parents were threatening to cut off his allowance. All signs pointed him back to Tangier, a place where his parents would have to continue the support and one where drugs were freely available. He left in November 1954 and spent the next four years there working on the fiction that would later become Naked Lunch, as well as attempting to write commercial articles about Tangier. He sent these writings to Ginsberg, his literary agent for Junkie, but none were published until 1989 when Interzone, a collection of short stories, was published. Under the strong influence of a marijuana confection known as majoun and a German-made opioid called Eukodol (oxycodone), Burroughs settled in to write. Eventually, Ginsberg and Kerouac, who had traveled to Tangier in 1957, helped Burroughs edit these episodes into Naked Lunch.[15]
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another interesting fact is that Burroughs often forgot having written some of the material, the drug-addled writings got so biographical and so bizarre at points that it prompted some alarm among Kerouac and Ginsberg:
"Bill, what's all this stuff about boys being hung in limestone caves?"

Another interesting film to watch is David Cronenburg's Naked Lunch,
which is written by Cronenberg and not based directly on Burrough's book of that name, but a story about the main character who is a composite assembled by Cronenberg of William Burrough's various characters.
The main character is someone who talks of being on 'assignment' by his handlers, and travels on missions to different foreign locations, and in contact with dark skinned homosexual boy prostitutes. It also, grotesquely, mentions illicit trafficking in something called 'the real black meat', which is depicted as dead black bugs. In fact the main character is at one an exterminator who kills 'bugs' with
by spraying them with an overdose of addictive chemicals.

So here's this guy with a weapons collection who travels around the world with a heroin habit who writes stories about being under the control of handlers, a gay heroin addict, working as an 'exterminator' of 'black bugs' who seem to love the white powder
he sprays them with, and bags of severed legs etc.
Then I hear that Cobain did the background music for one of Burrough's
audio readings and it gets even weirder. I find out that Burroughs murdered his wife 'by accident' , shooting her in the head. I find out that Cobain worked
as homosexual teen prostitute to feed his heroin habit at one time before becoming successful in music and was later obsessed with William Burroughs.
Then I find out that after the heroin addicted Cobain was found shot in the head, with many speculating that his wife Courtney Love had motive to have him killed,Courtney goes on to a career as an actress, and to play the part of Burrough's murdered (shot in the head) wife Joan in the film 'Beat' which was based on the life of William Burroughs.

It has been said that Jeffrey Dahmer may have been MKUltra, some sort of MKUltra experiment gone wrong, or the fall guy for a group
of people who were involved. (anyone remember the story of how the police let Dahmer go when they caught him abusing a bleeding boy?
Ever wonder what type of hand signals or code words may have gotten Dahmer out of that situation? Or maybe they ran his name, and found
his file flagged with some sort of 'hands off' designation?)
Kay Griggs has said in interviews that she thinks Jeffrey Dahmer was connected to CIA black ops.

Jeffrey Dahmer preyed on young male heroin addicted prostitutes, many of them of black or foreign descent, and severed their limbs, etc.
I do think it would have been interesting to hear what William Burroughs thought of the Jeffery Dahmer situation. (I was not saying that I thought his audio story was based on Dahmer. I meant that Burroughs seemed to have prior knowledge of similar situations, so it would have been interesting to hear what he had to say about it.)

some interesting details of Burroughs' life:

- at 15 he was sent to a Masonic training camp known as 'ranch school'.
- he was a known member of the occult order the OTO

Also, I would not necessarily use the term 'CIA agent' in reference to Burroughs. The phrase that I used was "Burroughs was CIA",
ie: an asset , possibly an MKUltra mind controlled assassin who did not even officially work as a CIA agent, but was nonetheless an asset performing work for the agency under various 'alters'.
His writings seem to suggest involvement with alter egos, missing time,
violence, and narcotics .

This could also explain why someone high up ensured that Burroughs got away with fatally shooting his own wife in the head.

It is a common mafia tactic to demand proof that a commissioned hit has been carried out, in the form of a hand or finger provided from the corpse of the victim.

I would recommend that anyone who watches Naked Lunch watch it with an eye for metaphor.
The film could be a metaphor for what William Burroughs true life was.
It could be that he worked as an assassin for the CIA exterminating 'bugs' (bothersome targets, security risks, people who knew too much etc.), and that there is a sideline to this profession in selling the actual body parts of one's targets on some human flesh market.

Could this be what Dahmer truly was? Another Burroughs, who killed heroin junkies, 'projects', child prostitutes, drug mules, etc., for the CIA to shut them up once they had outlived their usefulness?


re: My Own Private Idaho

I think this is a veiled story about a mind controlled project, the main character 'Mike'. Mike was a narcoleptic who experiences missing time, frequently blacking out, and is constantly moved around by a handler/handlers.
(narcolepsy is said to be common among mind controlled people)

In the movie, the life story of Mike fits the model for a mind control victim. He is a homeless teen aged male prostitute suffering from drug addiction and mental problems. It emerges that Mike's birth was the product of an incestuous relationship between Mike's brother and Mike's mother. Mike's mother was jailed for murdering a crooked card dealer who had dared rip off the mob/CIA casino that he had worked for in Reno. Mike was an infant at the time of the murder, and his mother was sent to a psychiatric facility, and Mike actually lived at the psychiatric hospital with her. Assuming she had spent a number of years at the institution undergoing 'treatment' for having committed murder, it would mean that Mike spent his entire early childhood in a psychiatric institute.

So Mike may have been the victim of experiments and procedures from infancy, and completely transformed due to having spent his early life in a psychiatric institution where handlers would have had regular access to him.
It also emerges that Mike's handler, Scott, is none other than the son of the powerful masonic mayor of Portland. Scott moves Mike from one prostitution/crime/drugs scenario to another , regularly traveling with him, with Mike suffering narcoleptic 'blackouts' and missing time throughout the film. Mike also at one point states that he has been with his handler for four years. In the film, the character Mike is roughly sixteen or seventeen years old, which means that Mike has been travelling around with Scott, being prostituted and blacking out since he was twelve or thirteen years old.

I can only speculate here, but what emerges is a picture of a mind-controlled slave who is being used alternately as a child prostitute, possibly an international drug courier, and a street thug who participates in gang muggings. Watch the film.

Gus Van Sant may have written this film with full knowledge of CIA operations, and full knowledge of mind control and how it relates to child prostitution, drug operations, street gangs etc. The alarming thing to me is that the film would have been made to appeal to the 'in crowd' , the people who 'got it' would have loved it, but the general public would have been confused by what they were looking at. What alarms me is that people like Gus Van Sant and his subculture of financial backers and promoters etc. brazenly make films about this sort of thing, knowing that there are huge numbers of 'insiders' who will understand it, while the general public has not a fraction of a clue what they are really watching. It begs the question: how many people secretly know about this stuff? If major films can be done to appeal to large numbers of people , then there may be a hell of a lot of people capable of 'reading between the lines' in enjoying such films.

Question:

Why do strange cryptic little films like 'My Own Private Idaho' reach 'cult status' , when virtually no one normal can figure out what the hell is going on?


Answer:

The term 'cult status' is a hell of a lot more descriptive than you think.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 06:40:39 PM »

Excellent post.  Very interesting stuff.  Thanks:)
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 06:43:55 PM »

Interesting stuff.  But Burroughs was a libertarian - anarchist.  He advocated legalization of drugs, sex, pornography and free speech.  His fiction detailed drug and sex experiences.  It also features agencies like the CIA, KGB, mafia, military, media all in elaborate conspiracies to control the population.  He was a critic of the Nixon/Reagan/Bush regimes, saying that they were just power hungry thugs.   He was also friends with Tim Leary.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 06:50:54 PM »

Interesting stuff.  But Burroughs was a libertarian - anarchist.  He advocated legalization of drugs, sex, pornography and free speech.  His fiction detailed drug and sex experiences.  It also features agencies like the CIA, KGB, mafia, military, media all in elaborate conspiracies to control the population.  He was a critic of the Nixon/Reagan/Bush regimes, saying that they were just power hungry thugs.   He was also friends with Tim Leary.



I don't see how any of that contradicts my theory that he was working for the CIA
in some capacity, likely as a combination 'handler'/pimp, enforcer, assassin, drug
dealer.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 06:54:39 PM »

did you know that Cobain was a fan of J.D. Salinger too?
Ring any bells?
Also, the character Mike , played by River Phoenix, is depicted to be about sixteen/seventeen years old, but he reveals in conversation with Scott, his
sidekick/pimp, that he has been with Scott on the streets for four years.
This means that Mike has been being prostituted since at least as early
as thirteen. Thirteen!

And think of how Gus Van Sant was a young writer who knew William Burroughs and worked with him at the age of 33, and then later wrote 'My Own Private Idaho' at the age of 39. Burroughs is famous for his advice to 'write about what you know'. Can you think of a young protege of Burroughs daring to write about anything other than something he had been directly involved in? He would not dare.
In other words, 'My Own Private Idaho' would have to have been based more closely on real events , either directly involving Van Sant, or something
esoteric that he had special firsthand knowledge of, than most people realize.
So just what is it exactly that the Portland-based Van Sant was involved with which included:


strippers
youth gangs
Portland political/police corruption
interstate/international homosexual child prostitution
narcotic drugs
muggings
casinos
murder
psychiatric institutions
narcolepsy
missing time
illegitimacy ?
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 11:39:44 PM »

Interesting stuff.  But Burroughs was a libertarian - anarchist.  He advocated legalization of drugs, sex, pornography and free speech.  His fiction detailed drug and sex experiences.  It also features agencies like the CIA, KGB, mafia, military, media all in elaborate conspiracies to control the population.  He was a critic of the Nixon/Reagan/Bush regimes, saying that they were just power hungry thugs.   He was also friends with Tim Leary.



Early life and education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs
Burroughs was born in 1914, the younger of two sons of a prominent family in St. Louis, Missouri. His grandfather, William Seward Burroughs I, founded the Burroughs Adding Machine company, which evolved into the Burroughs Corporation. Burroughs' mother, Laura Hammon Lee (1888-1970), was the daughter of a minister whose family claimed to be related to Robert E. Lee. His maternal uncle, Ivy Lee, was an advertising pioneer later employed as a publicist for the Rockefellers. His father, Mortimer Perry Burroughs, ran an antique and gift shop, Cobblestone Gardens; first in St. Louis, then in Palm Beach, Florida.

Burroughs attended John Burroughs School in St. Louis where his first published essay, "Personal Magnetism," was published in the John Burroughs Review in 1929.[1] He then attended The Los Alamos Ranch School in New Mexico, which was stressful for him. The school was a boarding school for the wealthy, "where the spindly sons of the rich could be transformed into manly specimens." [2]. Burroughs kept journals documenting an erotic attachment to another boy. These remained undiscovered, and in fact he kept his sexual orientation concealed well into adulthood. He was soon expelled from Los Alamos after taking chloral hydrate in Santa Fe with a fellow student.


Harvard University
He finished high school at Taylor School in St. Louis and, in 1932, left home to pursue an arts degree at Harvard University. During the summers, he worked as a cub reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, even covering the police docket. He disliked the work, and refused to cover some events like the death of a drowned child. He lost his virginity in an East St. Louis brothel that summer with a female prostitute he regularly patronized.[3] While at Harvard Burroughs made trips to New York City and was introduced to the gay subculture there. He visited lesbian dives, piano bars, and the Harlem and Greenwich Village homosexual underground with a wealthy friend from Kansas City, Richard Stern. They would drive from Boston to New York in a reckless fashion. Once, Stern scared Burroughs so much, he asked that he be let out of the vehicle.[4]

Burroughs graduated from Harvard University in 1936. According to Ted Morgan's Literary Outlaw,

His parents, upon his graduation, had decided to give him a monthly allowance of $200 out of their earnings from Cobblestone Gardens, a tidy sum in those days. It was enough to keep him going, and indeed it guaranteed his survival for the next twenty-five years, arriving with welcome regularity. The allowance was a ticket to freedom; it allowed him to live where he wanted to and to forego employment. -Ted Morgan, Literary Outlaw. p.65. New York:Avon Books, 1988.[5]

Burroughs's parents were not overly wealthy; they had sold the rights to his grandfather's invention and had no share in the Burroughs Corporation. Shortly before the 1929 stock market crash Burroughs's parents sold their stock in the Burroughs Corporation for $200,000.[6]

Beginning of The Beats

Burroughs enlisted in the U.S. Army early in 1942, shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor brought the U.S. into World War II. But when he was classified as a 1-A Infantry, not an officer, he became dejected. His mother recognized her son's depression and got Burroughs a civilian disability discharge — a release from duty based on the premise he should have not been allowed to enlist due to previous mental instability. After being evaluated by a family friend, who was also a neurologist at a psychiatric treatment center, Burroughs waited five months in limbo at Jefferson Barracks outside St. Louis before being discharged. During that time he met a Chicago soldier also awaiting release, and once Burroughs was free, he moved to Chicago and held a variety of jobs, including one as an exterminator. When two of his friends from St. Louis, Lucien Carr, a University of Chicago student, and David Kammerer, Carr's homosexual admirer, left for New York City, Burroughs followed.

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Joan Vollmer
 
Joan Vollmer Adams Burroughs in New York City.

In 1944, Burroughs began living with Joan Vollmer Adams in an apartment they shared with Jack Kerouac and Edie Parker, Kerouac's first wife. Vollmer Adams was married to a GI with whom she had a young daughter, Julie Adams. Burroughs and Kerouac got into trouble with the law for failing to report a murder. The murder involved Lucien Carr, who had killed David Kammerer in a confrontation over Kammerer's incessant and unwanted advances. During this time, Burroughs began using morphine and quickly became addicted. He eventually sold heroin in Greenwich Village to support his habit.

Vollmer also became an addict, but her drug of choice was an amphetamine, Benzedrine, which was sold over the counter as a decongestant inhalant at that time. Because of her addiction and social circle, her husband immediately divorced her after returning from the war. Vollmer would become Burroughs’ common law wife. Burroughs was soon arrested for forging a narcotics prescription and was sentenced to return to his parents' care in St. Louis. Vollmer's addiction led to a temporary psychosis, which resulted in her admission to a hospital, and the custody of her child was endangered. Yet after Burroughs completed his "house arrest" in St. Louis, he returned to New York, released Vollmer from the psychiatric ward of Bellevue Hospital, and moved with her and her daughter to Texas. Vollmer soon became pregnant with Burroughs' child. Their son, William S. Burroughs, Jr., was born in 1947. The family moved briefly to New Orleans in 1948.

Burroughs was arrested after police searched his home and found letters between him and Allen Ginsberg referring to a possible delivery of marijuana. Burroughs fled to Mexico to escape possible detention in Louisiana's Angola state prison. Vollmer and their children followed him. Burroughs planned to stay in Mexico for at least five years, the length of his charge's statute of limitations. Burroughs also attended classes at Mexico City College in 1950 in Spanish, "Mexican picture writing" and codices, and the Mayan language.

In 1951, Burroughs shot and killed Vollmer in a drunken game of "William Tell" at a party above the American-owned Bounty Bar in Mexico City. He spent 13 days in jail before his brother came to Mexico City and bribed Mexican lawyers and officials, which allowed Burroughs to be released on bail while he awaited trial for the killing, which was ruled culpable homicide.[9] Vollmer’s daughter, Julie Adams, went to live with her grandmother, and William S. Burroughs, Jr. went to St. Louis to live with his grandparents. Burroughs reported every Monday morning to the jail in Mexico City while his prominent Mexican attorney worked to resolve the case. According to James Grauerholz two witnesses had agreed to testify that the gun had gone off accidentally while he was checking to see if it was loaded, and the ballistics experts were bribed to support this story.[10] Nevertheless, the trial was continuously delayed and Burroughs began to write what would eventually become the short novel Queer while awaiting his trial. However, when his attorney fled Mexico after his own legal problems involving a car accident and altercation with the son of a government official, Burroughs decided, according to Ted Morgan, to "skip" and return to the United States. He was convicted in absentia of homicide and sentenced to two years, which was suspended.[11]

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Although I loved Repo Man, I would not call this elitest flunkie a Libertarian.

It kind of tarnishes the word.

Libertarians do not believe in their mommies getting them out of military service becasue they are not officers.  Libertarians do not believe in escaping justice for murder, etc.
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Bad Trip To Edgewood (1993)
45 min - Aug 12, 2007 -  (6 ratings)
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Bad trip to Edgewood: US Army drug testing, television documentary archive, 1950–1992


Documentary programme



BADTRIP: 1/1

One VHS (Vertical Helix Scan) video cassette of television documentary film Bad Trip to Edgewood, broadcast in March 1993. 55 minutes
Interview Transcripts



BADTRIP: 2/1 Jul-Aug 1992

'Interview notes'. Typescript notes of preliminary research interviews conducted Jul-Aug 1992, with US Army volunteers in the LSD and BZ drug testing programme at Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland, from 1956 to 1971, including William Spellbring, Troy Roark, James Dell, Steve Bonner, Maurice Hahn, James Stanley, William Jordan, Lyman Lewis, Roger Hagerman, Chris Roop, Ronald Brookes Mason (formerly Ronald Tatanish), Calvin Sweet, and Otto Hytien, in which they describing their test experiences, their reasons for participating in the tests, subsequent career and medical conditions. Also notes on interviews with other individuals in involved in testing programs including Richard Kupfer, Attorney for James Stanley; Rita Furman-former wife of Ron Tatanish; Dr Richard P Wheat, doctor at Stanford University Hospital San Francisco concerning cases of Serratia Marcescens infection 1950 and the death of Edward Nevin; Belinda Blauer, daughter of Harold Blauer who received a lethal injection of an experimental agent at New York State Psychiatric Institute, 1953; and Dr James Ketchum, US Army psychiatrist at Edgewood Arsenal 1961-1966, 1968-1971, describing tests he carried out and comments on the films made of the test subjects reactions.

BADTRIP: 2/2 [1992]

'Doctors'. Typed transcripts of interviews with doctors concerning the US Army chemical and biological warfare testing including: Dr James Ketchum, psychiatrist at Edgewood during 1950s describing testing of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and 3 quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ) on army volunteers 1950s-1970s; Dr Richard Wheat, doctor at Stanford University Hospital, San Francisco discussing outbreak of Serratia Marcescens in 1951 and revelation of Army biological testing at that time; and Dr Alexander Shuglin, expert in psycho pharmacology discussing human testing of chemicals such as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), scopolomene, atropine and 3 quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ), and opinion of scientific value of the US Army testing project.

BADTRIP: 2/3 [1992]

'Interview transcripts'. Typescript transcripts of filmed interviews with Lt Gen Ronald R Blanck, Surgeon General US Army and Commanding General, US Army Medical Command, commenting on current US Army medical research programmes and the conduct of the Army's biological and chemical research projects in the 1950s and 1960s; Richard Kupfer, attorney for James B Stanley, explaining the Supreme Court judgement and the claim filed before Congress; Richard Kelly, commenting on the case of Richard Blauer and the related law suits; Dr Fred Sidell lecturing a class of Army officers at Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland, on incapacitating agents; Dr Victor Yu, who studied infectious diseases at Stanford in1977, focusing on Serratia Marcescens and antibiotic treatment, and author of articles concerning links between US Army biological testing and cases of serratia infection.

BADTRIP: 2/4 [1992]

'Interview transcripts – guinea pigs'. Typescript transcripts of interviews with US Army volunteers in the drug testing programme at Edgewood Arsenal, Maryland, 1956-1971, including Steve Bonner, James Dell, Otto Hytien, Bill Jordan, Lyman Lewis, Troy Roark, Calvin Sweet, and James Stanley, in which they describe their reactions to lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and 3 quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ), their reasons for participating in the tests, subsequent career and medical conditions. Also contains transcript of interview with Belinda Blauer, daughter of Harold Blauer, civilian, who died in 1953 as a result of a lethal injection of a mescaline derivative (Experimental Agent 1298) supplied by the US Army to New York State Psychiatric Institute, discussing the 1975 revelations concerning his death.
Collected evidence



BADTRIP: 3/1 1964-1992

'LSD – US Army follow-up studies'. Letters and survey form from National Research Council, Washington, relating to follow-up study of US servicemen participating in experimental testing of LSD between 1955-1967, 30 May 1984 attached to Dept of the Army Information for Members of Congress 6 Dec 1979; article 'Army suspends drug test program' 23 Aug 1975 from Facts on File World News Digest, 5 Oct 1990; LSD follow-up study report, US Army Medical Department, US Army Health Services Command, Oct 1980, 158pp; copy of American nuclear guinea pigs: three decades of radiation experiments on US citizens report prepared by the Subcommittee on Energy Conservation and Power of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, US House of Representatives, Nov 1986, 38pp; photocopy of 'Veterans as government guinea pigs: are they receiving care and compensation?' DAV Magazine, Oct 1991, 5pp; photocopy of building location map at Edgewood Arsenal; results of National Library of Medicine MEDLINE Database search on 'physostigmine and chemical and nerve and agents', 18 Sep 1992, 9pp; Possible Long-term health effects of short term exposure to chemical agents, Volume 3 Final Report: current health status of test subjects, Committee on Toxicology, Board on Toxicology and Environmental Health Hazards, Commission on Life Sciences, National Research Council, Washington DC 1985. 99pp

BADTRIP: 3/2 1964-1973

'Medical research papers'. Copies of letters and information sent to William R Jordan relating to the effects of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD); notes on scientific article 'LSD through inhalation route', James Ketchum, George K Aghaganian and Oscar H L Bing, Edgewood Arsenal, July 1964; CAR 301060: estimate of minimal effective dose in man (U), Edgewood Arsenal Technical Memorandum EATM 114-12, Arthur H Hayes, July 1967; Department of Army memoranda re approval of drug testing project, 6 Mar 1972-Oct 1973

BADTRIP: 3/3 1953-1993

'UK Tests.' File containing research notes, extracts of reports, interview notes, newspaper articles, scientific articles, correspondence and memoranda concerning research into chemical and biological warfare conducted at the UK Ministry of Defence establishment at Porton Down, Wiltshire, from 1916-1970s. Mentions Nancekuke Base, Cornwall and accidental exposure of Thomas H Griffiths to nerve gas in 1958.Also includes material relating to the Tripartite (quadripartite) Agreement between US, UK and Canada (and later Australia) regarding research into chemical and biological weapons and parallels with the human 'guinea pigs' used to test lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) at Edgewood Arsenal, background notes on Bad Trip to Edgewood programme with notes recording conversation with Dr James Ketchum, former US Army psychiatrist at Edgewood Arsenal who visited Porton Down in 1965, and scripts for Bad Trip to Edgewood documentary.

BADTRIP: 3/4 1968, 1987-1992

'Army literature'. US Army Medical Research and Development Command Newsletter, Nov 1989–May 1992; Information booklets about US Army bases with biological and chemical research facilities-Fort Detrick and Fort McClellan; printed literature relating to US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease, US Army Medical Biological Development Research Program, US Army Medical Research Institute of Chemical Defence, Chemical Corps, and Chemical Research Development and Emergency Centre. Also annotated information from seminars about the US Army Medical Chemical Defense Research Program, and US Army Medical Biological Defense Research Program.

BADTRIP: 3/5 1955-1991

'Brain washing'. Copies of newspaper and scientific articles and relating to brainwashing, communist indoctrination techniques, use of drugs in brain washing, and CIA drug testing. Also copies catalogue entries for film footage [1967–1982] relating to mind control.

BADTRIP: 3/6 1975-1990, mainly 1979

'BZ – 3 Quinuclidinyl Benzilate'. Copies of newspaper articles, scientific reports, and memoranda relating to testing of 3 quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ) on US Army volunteers at Edgewood, storage and disposal of the chemical, and the campaign by American Citizens for Honest in Government, sponsored by the Church of Scientology.

BADTRIP: 3/7 1959-1992

'Chemical warfare'. Copies of articles and reports concerning chemical weapons development and testing in the US and USSR. Including an annotated bibliography produced for Congress titled 'Chemical and Biological Warfare: Selected references 1988-1991, Valentin Leskovesek Oct 1991; and a section of 'Summary of major events and problems, US Army Chemical Corps, Jan 1960.

BADTRIP: 3/8 1952 –1979

'CIA'. Mainly contains copies of censored memoranda relating to the CIA behaviour control projects MKULTRA, ARTICHOKE and BLUEBIRD which involved testing drugs such as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD); testing carried out at Edgewood Arsenal; and death of Frank Olsen. Also contains news articles, including 'Sex drugs and the CIA, the shocking search for an "ultimate weapon"' John Marks, Saturday Review 1979.

BADTRIP: 3/9 1975-1977

'US Congress'. Copies of reports of Congressional hearings including Human Drug testing by the CIA Sep 1977; Unauthorized storage of toxic agents Sep 1975; Project MKULTRA, the CIA's program of research in behavioral modification Aug 1977; Biological testing involving human subjects by the Department of Defense 1977; Intelligence activities Apr 1976; Foreign and Military Intelligence Final Report Book I, April 1976. Also contains statement from Ronald V Dellums, U.S. Congressional Representative from California, Ninth District, on the abuses in the Edgewood Arsenal drug testing program.

BADTRIP: 3/10 [1992]

'Database of documents'. Printout from database listing research files by titles with lists of documents contained in them.

BADTRIP: 3/11 1962, [1992]

'Films'. List and description of film footage from Edgewood Arsenal, Fort Detrick and NBC/CBS of recording biological and chemical warfare test, trials of techniques for release of such weapons, some of which have been requested under FOI; also contains a list of films in the 'FT Archive', 9 Dec 1992; quotes from the Chemical Corps 1962 film 'Armour for the inner man' and description of its screening at the Eighth Annual Army Human Factors Engineering Conference, Oct 1962.

BADTRIP: 3/12 1975, 1980, 1987-1991

'Guinea-pigs: James Stanley'. Copies of news articles, 1987, relating to the Supreme Court ruling in the suit of James Stanley, unwitting volunteer of US army testing of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) in 1958. Also correspondence between Harry Johnston MC, Florida, and the Department of the Army concerning a Private Bill For the Relief of James B Stanley [1989–1990], and transcripts of committee hearings.

BADTRIP: 3/13 1980-1992

'Guinea-pigs: Harold Blauer'. News articles and papers relating to death of Harold Blauer as result of injection of Experimental Agent 1298 at New York State Psychiatric Institute, 8 Jan 1953, the revelation by the US Army in 1975 that the cause of death was a lethal dose of a mescaline derivative (Experimental Agent 1298), and subsequent court proceedings of Blauer's daughter Elizabeth Barrett. Includes copies of Blauer's medical case notes.

BADTRIP: 3/14 1975-1978

'Guinea-pigs: Frank Olson'. Copies of newspaper cuttings describing the 1975 reopening of the case of Dr Frank R Olson who apparently committed suicide after being an unwitting subject of CIA testing of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) in Nov 1953. Also reports of the Presidential apology to the Olson family, and thee black and white negatives of images of Olson family's audience with US President Gerald Ford, 21 Jul 1975. Also contains notes of interviews with Col Vincent L Ruwet present during administering of LSD to Olson, Mrs Herbert G Tanner, wife of HG Tanner unwitting subject of LSD test with Olson; Dr Benjamin Wilson worked on Chemical Corps test projects; Lyman Kirkpatrick, CIA Inspector General who investigated Olson's death; and Sidney Gottlieb, the doctor involved in the testing project; copy of article by Tad Szule 'The CIA's electric kool-aid acid test'; copies of censored memoranda from US Department of Army relating to Olson's death.

BADTRIP: 3/15 1991

'Gulf War'. Copy of article 'Double jeopardy for US troops' from Gannett News Service 31 Dec 1991, concerning US Army testing of experimental drugs on troops stationed in the Persian Gulf.

BADTRIP: 3/16 1951-1977

'Army documents'. Copies of sections of Inspector General, Department of the Army, 'Use of volunteers in Chemical Agent Research', 10 Mar 1976; advertisement for volunteers for the Chemical Warfare Laboratory at Army Chemical Centre, Maryland; 'Chemical Warfare Laboratories Report 2071 on psychochemical agents', 14 Sep 1956; Edgewood Arsenal report titled 'Human assessment of EA1729 and EA3528 by inhalation route' by James Ketchum, George K Aghajanian, and Oscar H L Bing, Jul 1964; 'Clinical investigation of EA1729' by Van M Sim Jun 1961; 'Special Report, First Psychochemical Conference 12 May 1954', Amedeo S Marrazzi, Sep 1955; and 'US Army Activity in the US Biological Warfare programs' Vol I and II, 24 Feb 1977.

BADTRIP: 3/17 [1980]

'Nevin case: Depositions (File 1)'. Copies of papers relating to 1980 court action concerning Edward J Nevin a civilian non-volunteer who died as a result of bacterial infection at Stanford Lane Hospital 1 Nov 1950, linked to US bacteriological warfare testing of Serratia Marcescens in San Francisco, Sep 1950. Includes depositions of William M Creasy, former US Army Chemical Engineer at Edgewood, Charles R Phillips, chemist and civilian employee at Fort Detrick and Edgewood, and Richard P Wheat physician who treated Nevin and other Serratia Marcescens patients.

BADTRIP: 3/18 1979-1980

'Nevin case: Depositions (File 2)'. Papers relating to the case of Mabel Nevin et al versus USA, including copies of 'Order denying motion for Summary Judgement' Jun 1980, 'Reply memorandum, Mar 1980, 'Notice of motion to dismiss or in the alternative for summary judgement', and deposition of Richard P Wheat MD 20 Jun 1979. Also contains copy of scientific article 'Serratia Marcescens, Historical perspective and clinical review' Victor L Yu, New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 300, No16, 19 Apr 1979.

BADTRIP: 3/19 1950-1951, 1976-1988

'Public trials'. Copies of scientific articles on case of Serratia Marcescens infection 1976-1977, 1984 by various authors; copies of news cuttings relating to Nevin case and US Army biological testing as well as Army Navy collaboration in 1951 germ warfare tests on a navy supply ship shipment, 1979-1980, 1988; copy of Chemical Corps Biological Laboratories report 'Biological Warfare trials at San Francisco, California 20-27 Sep 1950', 22 Jan 1951; memoranda relating to exposure of Larry Hoaditch to chemicals by US Army at Fort Hood; extract of US Army Medical Research and Development Command report 'Problem definition studies on potential environmental pollutants VIII. Chemistry and toxicology of BZ (93-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate)' Aug 1977; report on Army and Navy collaboration in San Francisco tests; US Naval Radiological Defense Laboratory report on 'Testing of the NRDL fall-out collectors during experiments at San Francisco, California, Sep 1950, 30 Oct 1950; news reports of Nevin case, 1979 and 1981; copies of scientific articles relating to Serratia infection by Victor L Yu, 1979 and 1984, and 'Infection due to chromobacteria, report of eleven cases', Richard P Wheat, Anne Zuckerman and Lowell A Rantz, Archives of Internal Medicine, Oct 1951 Vol 88; memoranda with extracts of US Senate hearing 'Biological testing involving human subjects by the Department of Defense, examination of serious deficiencies in the defense department's efforts to protect the human subjects of drug research' 8 Mar and 23 May 1977, 1980;press release by Church of Scientology, 2 Apr 1981 relating to US Army test spraying of zinc cadmium sulfide in San Francisco 1965–1967 with related documentation.

BADTRIP: 3/20 1979-1984

'Public trials: Florida and Washington'. Church of Scientology press release regarding US Army secret biological testing in Washington DC in 1964-1965, accompanied by extracts of the Army report of the study; copies of newspaper articles concerning biological test in Washington as well as CIA biological testing in Florida during 1955, and zinc cadmium sulfide used in tests in San Francisco 1965 and 1967.

BADTRIP: 3/21 1954-1980

'Public trials: New York'. Copy of Dept of Army report of 'A study of the vulnerability of subway passengers in New York City to covert attack with biological agents', Jan 1968; American Citizens for Honesty in Government press release and research report relating to open air testing of biological agents by the CIA in New York 1956; copies of CIA memoranda concerning funding of MKULTRA Subproject 30, May 1954; copies of newspaper articles 1979-1980 relating CIA biological testing in NY during 1956 and 1966; and 'Report on CIA/ Army open-air testing submitted to Congress' with accompanying papers released by the American Citizens for Honesty in Government.

BADTRIP: 3/22 1950-1951, 1979

'Public trials: San Francisco'. US Chemical Corps Biological Division report 'Biological warfare trials at San Francisco, California 20-27 Sep 1950', 22 Jan 1951.Also copies of newspaper articles relating to US Army's germ warfare testing in public areas 1979.

BADTRIP: 3/23 1977-1992

'Miscellaneous documents'. Copies of printed material including US Army activity in the US Biological Warfare Programs, Vol I 24 Feb 1977; 'Department of the Army, Information for Members of Congress, 8 Mar 1977' relating to US Army activities in the US biological warfare testing program'; abstracts of the Declassified Documents Quarterly Catalog Vol 3 No 3, Jul-Sep 1977 and Vol 3 No 1 Jan-Mar 1977; extracts from Medical Directory 1985 and 1992 relating to Lt Cdr William Maxwell Hollyhock RN; news reports relating to biological warfare tests, Jul 1985, the death of James Thornwell, volunteer participant in Army lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) testing, 28 Jun 1984, and the case of Charles A Laswell subjected to radiation during Army testing at Eniwetok in the Pacific during 1947-1948, 15 Nov 1980; and transcript of Paul Altmeyer report for American Broadcasting Company's 'News Closeup' titled 'Mission: mind control' relating to CIA testing of chemical warfare agents, broadcast 30 Jan 1979.

BADTRIP: 3/24 1986-1987

'Supreme Court'. Copies of printed court documents relating to the case of US versus James B Stanley, including 'Respondent's brief in opposition in the case of USA Vs James B Stanley, and Board of Regents of the University of Maryland versus James B Stanley', Supreme Court, Oct Term 1986; an extract of Supreme Court Reporter 107 recording the 1987 judgement, and US Supreme Court Vol 483 Cases Adjudged, Oct Term 1986. Also contains news articles relating to the Supreme Court judgement of the Stanley case, Jun 1987 including Nat Hentoff's interview with former Supreme Court judge William J Brennan Jr in, 'The justice breaks his silence' Playboy, in which he comments on the Stanley case.

BADTRIP: 3/25 1976

'Use of volunteers in chemical agent research'. Photocopy of the Inspector General, Department of the Army, Report 98, Use of volunteers in chemical agent research, 10 Mar 1976. 267pp

BADTRIP: 3/26 1963

'Report to the President'. Photocopy of Report to the President, Skybolt and Nassau, American policy making and Anglo-American Relations, Richard E Neustadt, relating to a joint UK/USA nuclear deterrent project 'Skybolt' and the Conference in Nassau, Bahamas, Dec 1962 between the UK Prime Minister Harold Macmillan and US President John F Kennedy, 15 Nov 1963. 135pp

BADTRIP: 3/27 1953-1982

'Project MKULTRA: File 1'. Photocopies of censored documents referring to CIA operations involved the use of drugs including Project MKULTRA, experimentation in behaviour control, and its numerous sub-projects: Operation MONGOOSE, a covert action program to overthrow Fidel Castro, ruler of Cuba, 1959-; Project ZRRIFLE, an assassination program; and Projects BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, researching the use of drugs in interrogation. File also contains notes of interviews with W Timothy Adams, Lyman Kirkpatrick, Edward Hunter, and Chester Leese, and related material on CIA projects for chemical development and testing, and methods of surveillance and assassination.

BADTRIP: 3/28 1953-1969

'Project MKULTRA: File 2'. Photocopies of censored CIA documentation of Project MKULTRA, CIA experimentation in behaviour control, and its numerous sub-projects.

BADTRIP: 3/29 1952-1970

'Project MKULTRA: File 3'. Photocopies of censored CIA documentation of Project MKULTRA, CIA experimentation in behaviour control and its numerous sub-projects.

BADTRIP: 3/30 1951-1988

'Miscellaneous memoranda on drug research projects'. Photocopies of miscellaneous censored CIA documents relating death of Frank R Olsen, and Project MKULTRA, CIA experimentation in behaviour control.

BADTRIP: 3/31 1951-1988

'Miscellaneous memoranda on LSD research projects'. Photocopies of assorted CIA and Army memoranda, news articles, notes of interviews, relating to testing of biological and chemical weapons, also radiation experimentation.

BADTRIP: 3/32 1976

'US Army report re use of volunteers'. Photocopy of US Department of the Army Research Report concerning the use of Volunteers in Chemical Agent Research, Col James R Taylor and Maj William N Johnson, 1976, which covers the history of chemical research in the US Army; guidelines and authorisation for use of human volunteers; research projects concerning chemical incapacitating agents including lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), benzilates and glycolates, with particular focus on the Chemical Corps work at Edgewood Arsenal. 185pp

BADTRIP: 3/33 1979

'Mission Mind Control, PAL copy'. VHS (Vertical Helix Scan) video cassette of 'News Closeup: Mission mind control', a documentary broadcast on American Broadcasting Companies television network, 30 Jan 1979, produced and written by Paul Altmeyer relating to CIA testing of chemical agents on humans. 90 minutes

BADTRIP: 3/34 1975

'World in Action: Guinea Pig Soldiers'. VHS (Vertical Helix Scan) video cassette of a Granada Television production, titled World in Action: Guinea Pig Soldiers' relating to the cover up of US Army and CIA testing of incapacitating agents on humans, Gus Macdonald, Executive Director and David Boulton, Producer. 30 minutes

BADTRIP: 3/35 1985

'Unit 731'. VHS (Vertical Helix Scan) video cassette of a Television South (TVS) documentary titled Unit 731 about Lt Surgeon General Shiro Ishii and Unit 731 of the Japanese Imperial Army which conducted biological warfare tests on humans, including prisoners of war, during 1933 –1945. Directed by David C Rea, and produced by Peter Williams. 55 minutes
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 12:22:57 AM »

About Courtney and the devil sign... have you ever been to a rock concert? I really don't think she was doing it as a genuine devil-worshipping gesture (even though she *is* the devil), but more in a "hey rock on" kind of way...
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 12:29:18 AM »

About Courtney and the devil sign... have you ever been to a rock concert? I really don't think she was doing it as a genuine devil-worshipping gesture (even though she *is* the devil), but more in a "hey rock on" kind of way...

i believe that is just an offhanded thing.

the rest of the story is rather interesting

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she's not that smart  the devil :sign  we will rock you
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 04:39:00 AM »




The Portland, Oregon-based Gus Van Sant seems to be ever so closely entwined  with this
CIA drug culture, so let' have a look at the sorts of things that they get up to in
Portland, Oregon, shall we?




http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=27068

Ex-employee supports corruption claims Witness, newly found notes suggest link between official misconduct, ’89 Franke killing

By Jim Redden

The Portland Tribune, Nov 16, 2004

Kevin Francke has never believed that his brother, Michael, was killed during a botched car prowl.

Michael Francke was the head of the Oregon Corrections Department when he was stabbed to death outside his Salem office on Jan. 17, 1989.
A small-time criminal named Frank Gable eventually was arrested and convicted of the killing.

But Kevin Francke said that the week before he died, his brother personally warned the family of a likely threat on his life.
According to Kevin Francke, Michael called his sister-in-law, Katie, and said he had discovered a network of corrupt officials within his department.

“Michael said he was going to clean house. I believe they had him killed,” Kevin Francke said.

State officials long have dismissed such allegations.
They say there was no corruption in the Corrections Department at the time of Francke’s death, so there was no conspiracy to kill him.

But now the Portland Tribune has discovered information that supports Kevin Francke’s claims that at least one person his brother worked with was engaged in questionable behavior before and after the murder.

Among other things, the Portland Tribune has interviewed a former Utah Corrections Department employee who claims firsthand knowledge of wrongdoing by Scott McAlister,
the assistant Oregon attorney general who was assigned to the Corrections Department until shortly before Francke was killed.

Linda Parker worked for McAlister in 1989 after he was hired as the inspector general of the Utah Corrections Department. At one time, they also dated.

Parker told the Portland Tribune on Saturday that she saw McAlister with numerous documents related to the Francke murder investigation,
documents he should not have received since he was no longer working for the Oregon Justice Department. Parker said the documents were sent to him from Oregon after he moved to Utah.

“He had me file them for him. He was following the investigation very closely,” she said.

And, Parker said, she heard McAlister describe Francke’s killing as a botched hit that was “supposed to look like a suicide.”

“He was very angry that it had not been done right. He said they’d (screwed) it up,” Parker said.

She said that McAlister bragged about setting up inmates in Oregon and Utah on phony charges if they angered him,
and that he personally transported cocaine from Oregon to Utah on at least two occasions and arranged for other shipments of cocaine from Oregon as well.

And Parker said McAlister used a sedative “like Valium” to beat a lie detector test about his knowledge of Francke’s murder.
The Aug. 11, 1989, test appeared to show that McAlister had no inside knowledge of the murder.

McAlister currently is a lawyer in Tempe, Ariz. Contacted by the Portland Tribune, he adamantly denied Parker’s accusations.

McAlister denied knowing anything about Francke’s murder, describing him as “a friend.”
He also denied possessing or using drugs in either Oregon or Utah, saying, “I was a law enforcement officer at the time.”

Gable, who is serving a life sentence without possibility of parole in a Florida prison, has maintained his innocence and asked the Oregon Court of Appeals for a new trial.
His attorney, David Celuch, said he will pursue Parker’s claims on behalf of Gable.

“We are interested in all potential new evidence in the case and will follow up on it,” Celuch told the Portland Tribune.
Other charges proved true

Parker has made other allegations against McAlister that have been proved right.

In early 1990, she told the Utah FBI that McAlister possessed child pornography.
Parker said McAlister gave her the films as part of what she claims was an ill-conceived effort to persuade her to have group sex with him and another woman.

The FBI got a search warrant for McAlister’s home, seizing more pornography.
It referred the case to the Salt Lake County district attorney’s office, which charged McAlister with a felony count of sexual exploitation of a minor.

Parker testified against McAlister at a pretrial hearing on Aug. 2, 1990.
He pleaded guilty to a class A misdemeanor charge of distribution of pornographic material on Oct. 12, 1990, and served seven days in a Salt Lake County jail.

A short time later, Parker was contacted by Roger Harris, one of Gable’s defense investigators.
Harris was looking for evidence that other people could have been involved in Francke’s death. Parker agreed to talk about McAlister.

The result was a 12-page statement that Parker signed on Dec. 11, 1990. It details numerous accusations of illegal activities and official misconduct by McAlister, many with Oregon connections.

Parker said she stands by these charges, which include drug trafficking and drug use.

She also made the accusations to FBI and district attorney investigators during the pornography investigation, Parker said.
She does not believe they were ever pursued.

“To this day, I don’t know why nothing more happened to McAlister,” she said.
“As I told the FBI, if I did these things, I’d be in jail for a long time.”

The FBI has not yet responded to a Freedom of Information Act request from the Portland Tribune for its documents.
Paul Murphy, the public information officer for the Utah attorney general’s office, said he can’t locate the office’s records on McAlister.

Parker, who has since remarried and changed her name, spoke to the Portland Tribune on the condition that her current name and address not be revealed.
She said her life was threatened after she testified against McAlister in the child pornography case. That night, Parker said, all four tires on her car were slashed.

Parker said she also was threatened after filing a federal sexual harassment suit against McAlister and the Utah Department of Corrections.
According to Parker, a letter sent to her home contained a note that said, “Drop the suit or you’re dead.”
She said her house was broken into a few days later.

Parker said she reported the threats to the police, but they did nothing.

“I moved. I left the state because I believed if I stayed there, I’d be dead,” Parker told the Portland Tribune.

The state of Utah settled her sexual harassment case for an undisclosed amount in late 1990.
Notes raise other questions

The Portland Tribune has located other documents that raise questions about the investigation into Francke’s death.

They include two handwritten notes by Loren Glover, one of the state police detectives assigned to the case.
They confirm Kevin Francke’s claim that Francke family members raised the corruption allegations with investigators within days of the murder.

The first note is dated Jan. 20, 1989, just three days after the killing.
According to the note, Kevin Francke told Glover that Michael had called the week before he died and suggested he was
“making a lot of enemies within the prisons in Oregon.”

The second note, dated the next day, summarizes a conversation with Michael’s widow, Bingta Francke.
According to the note, Bingta said that “Kevin thought that some who worked in the corrections system could have killed Michael Francke.”
Bingta also called the prison system a “good-old-boy system.”

The notes contradict claims by state officials that Francke’s family did not raise allegations of corruption at the time of the murder.

Former Oregon Gov. Neil Goldschmidt’s legal counsel Cory Streisinger made that point in a confidential Aug. 22, 1989, memo to Goldschmidt.

“Nothing in Mike Francke’s files or anywhere else indicate that he was working on anything other than his pressing budget problems,
and Mike’s family made no mention of the much-reported phone call
about ‘organized criminal activity’ when they had their initial interviews with police,” Streisinger wrote.

Glover’s notes prove otherwise.

Another newly discovered document involves Jodie Swearingen, who was a 16-year-old Salem runaway when Francke was murdered.
Swearingen repeatedly told investigators that she had witnessed the murder. She also testified before the Marion County grand jury that indicted Gable for the murder.

State police reports obtained by the Portland Tribune show that Swearingen told investigators she saw Gable kill Francke.
But Swearingen told a different story to two Albany attorneys, J.D. Bispham and his wife, Carol Bispham, who took notes of the conversation.

According to the notes, Swearingen told the Bisphams that she had lied to the grand jury and was afraid of being charged with perjury and being an accessory to the murder.
According to the notes, Swearingen said she actually saw a Salem drug dealer named Timothy Natividad kill Francke.

“Tim kinda took long strides up behind Francke as he opened car door,” the notes say.
“Tim grabbed him Tims L hand on M.F. left shoulderused R hand & stabbed MF as MF was turning to R clockwise.”

It’s not clear when Swearingen met with the Bisphams.
Contacted by the Portland Tribune, they declined to discussed the meeting, citing attorney-client confidentiality.

But Thomas McCallum, a private investigator who worked on Gable’s defense team, confirmed the authenticity of the notes.
McCallum said he and another defense investigator personally picked the notes up from the Bisphams’ office.

Natividad was shot and killed by his girlfriend, Elizabeth Godlove, during a domestic dispute a few weeks after Francke was killed.
Godlove was found not guilty of any crime by a Marion County jury.
‘Pet theories’?

The new documents were found among thousands of pages of records compiled by Gable’s court-appointed defense attorney, Robert Abel.
They were not entered into evidence in the trial because Abel did not attempt to show that anyone else had killed Gable.

Abel dismissed the McAlister and Natividad allegations as unsupported “pet theories” pursued by his investigators.
Testifying during a May 2000 postconviction relief hearing in Marion County Circuit Court, Abel said the leads the defense team pursued were fruitless.

“And what I did was Ñ is I assigned these out and they were divided up, and they went back and came back to me with a bunch of garbage, just like 30,000 pages,” Abel said.

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Interestingly, in the film 'My Own Private Idaho', the mayor of Portland has a son who is involved in drugs, prostitution, and street crime,
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He had a very strange childhood. He was put on Ritalin for hyperactivity during the day, and on sedatives to sleep at night. After his parents divorced at aged 7, he was reportedly extremely difficult to control, so much so that his parents tried moving him around back and forth 'taking turns' dealing with him and sending him to stay with other relatives.

He moved so frequently that his education was a shambles. He stopped and restarted high school several times before finally dropping out.
This means that a lot of his time was spent NOT in school as a youth. He was known to sleep in libraries and in a hospital waiting room,
which also raises alarms for me. (any connection to a medical facility is suspect in the case of Monarch programming)
He lost jobs because he would fall asleep if left alone. It is possible that he had a multiple personality disorder.

I have read differing accounts. Some say he developed narcolepsy later , when he was 18. Some accounts say he would fall asleep during interviews, and sleep at odd hours and places throughout the day. Still other accounts are that Cobain lied about being narcoleptic in an interview as some sort of joke and it was reported as a fact. Do a search on it. There are a few references to it.

Narcolepsy or 'sleeping' may have been the only explanation that Cobain could come up with to explain to
himself the 'missing time' that he was experiencing.

Odd that some escribe Nirvana as a band that was 'created' by the industry, more than a natural organic outgrowth
of the music scene.  The band was nonexistent, as far as a live performing entity in the region,  prior to landing a record deal.  No one knew about them, they did very few live
shows, and suddenly they had a recording contract.

 That lends itself in support of the theory that grunge was cooked up, that it was part of some plan. Another thing that always struck me as odd, was that Nirvana got a pretty big signing bonus to record their first and relatively unknown record, 'Bleach', and actually toured Europe. Who paid for all that, and why? Was Bleach an album
worthy of a European tour? No one in North American had even heard of it, and yet they
are touring Europe to promote it?
Or were they there (in Rome, btw) for other purposes other than to promote an album?
Drug couriers?
Another bizarre Gus Van Sant twist, is that he directed a THIRD film that seemed to involve Cobain elements in it.
He did the film Good Will Hunting , which was about a young school janitor with psychological problems who rose to social prominence exceeding that of the students at the school. This is similar to stories of Cobain getting the cleaning contract as janitor for his former high school just recently after dropping out, and then rising to prominence. It is alleged that Matt Damon wrote the film, but there are many who think that it is a false story that someone as young as Damon, with his education, etc. , could have written it. (Gus Van Sant may have written it, imo) Which would mean that Van Sant wrote three films loosely based on Cobain.

another thing that strikes me as odd, is that Courtney Love made a habit of plying the media with 'heroin' stories.
She was notorious for playing the media and at least once voluntarily contacted them with a story about hers and Kurt's drug use.

This was written off as a publicity ploy . What if it were something else? What if it really is true that grunge was created
by the CIA, and that part of the plan was to popularize heroin use by associating it with glamorous rock stars?
In that case, Love would have been following orders to make their drug use public.


What if Cobain's plan to stop using drugs angered the people who had made him who he was? Maybe they wanted him
to stay addicted to maintain control of him, and feared that once he kicked the drugs , he was going to start remembering things
and revealing things that they did not want him talking about? What if the drugs were crucial to suppressing his memories, and they wanted to keep him quiet?

This reminds me of the stories of aging prostitutes who are mysteriously murdered by 'serial killers' almost the moment they
kick heroine and try to retire. Can't let them go 'straight' with all that they know about who supplied them their drugs, and setting a bad example to all the other addicts out there. Think of it. If a hooker were to kick the drugs, and start helping her friends and younger girls kick the drugs, next thing you know you have a confict on your hands. The dealers want the money to keep rolling in. They do everything they can to keep the girls addicted and hooking, while the 'reformed' prostitute is working against them, trying to save her friends that are still alive and get them off the drugs, and the worst part is that she becomes walking proof that it is possible.

Then the dummy might get the bright idea to help the police bust the suppliers of the drugs by sharing what she knows about who. A terribly bad influence on the youngsters, and a threat to the security of the network, she is found dead in the river like a lot of others.

Maybe Cobain was set to go making a nuisance of himself the same way. Off the drugs, and in rehab boasting about how he'd like to warn his young fans about drugs etc.

Nirvana came from 'out of nowhere' , and suddenly got heavy MTV rotation of their videos, and coincidentally
happened to be already touring in Europe on the strength of a no-name unknown album.
Then it goes around to all the young people that Cobain's on heroin, heroin is the in thing, and oh, somebody knows someone else who can get them some to try out. This looks contrived to me. The same people providing the music and the MTV publicity etc.are the ones providing the drugs: the international narcotics trade.
It is known that MTV is allegedly owned by figurehead Murray Sumner Rothstein (aka Sumner Redstone) , who is a former
OSS/CAI encryption specialist. Rothstein worked for the OSS cracking Japanese codes during WWII.
Rothstein/Redstone is CIA all the way.
The CIA is notorious for running drugs all over the world.

So now are we starting to see why the heroin-addicted Cobain found himself on MTV and in 40,000 seat venues?

Why would they create a music trend for youth?
This is just a theory, but lets say that at time, they foresaw a looming rejection of the MTV 'ghetto chic' gangsta culture by white youth,
and feared the subsequent death of a large portion of the drug culture. So their strategy was to create a 'white ghetto' trend in its place, with
which to lure teens into street culture and drugs.

As far as Cobain possibly being a mind control project, I don't think it is preposterous. He may have just been a throw-away that they had
used, or planned to use., for various operations in his earlier years, who surprised them by becoming a successful musician.

MKUltra was very real . A reality. There were and are mind-controlled people. So why not an average, poor, neglected kid like Cobain?

He lived an unpredictable enough life. Cobain frequently dropped out of school and moved around . He was a troubled child and teen who was put on ritalin. He was so hyperactive that most people could not handle his behavioral problems, and he ended up moving frequently. They had to sedate him at night to get him to sleep. (where would he go if not sedated and under their watch?) His parents separated when he was aged 7,
and he was sent to live with a father who neglected him and who like to blast 'Queen' in his truck.  Cobain had a strained relationship with his father. He was removed from the protection of his mother at age 7, so heaven knows what may have been done with him.

He was known at one point to regularly sleep at the public library and in a hospital waiting room.
I have never said that the film 'My Own Private Idaho' had even a 50% chance of being a chronologically exact carbon copy of Cobain's life. I was saying that the main character could be an archetype of the type of person that Cobain was at one point, or various different points of his life because of all the coincidences between that character's life and Cobain's life. The character could be a composite of several similar such people or 'projects' who were all serving the same basic function. The film depicts a gang atmosphere and network of similar individuals. I do not accept the claim that Cobain led too steady and predictable a life for it to apply, because the evidence shows otherwise.

And let me be clear about what I am saying here. I am not implying that Van Sant necessarily decided to base the entire movie My Own Private Idaho
directly on Cobain. In fact it is unlikely that Van Sant would have known of Cobain at the time he made the film, because it was made prior
to Cobain being made famous. That is not the point. The point is that the film could have been based on the life of heroine-addicted MKultra teens,
and it just happens that one of them became a famous later on.

The film would not have been about Cobain specifically, but about someone living under almost the identical conditions that Cobain may have.
It would have been more of a generalized theme. For example, MKUltra projects are known to frequently suffer narcolepsy, as did the main character in the film. Lets say that My Own Private Idaho may have been window on a subculture, based on a subset of these people that happened to be operating
in the clandestine world of drug trafficking/addiction, the attendant male prostitution, crime, and CIA operations at that time.
Would these aspects of the film have been intended as self-evident to the general movie- going public? No. Would they have been evident to the intelligence community/subculture involved in such things? Yes. The film would have been a hit within portions of the intelligence community, and
'fill in the gaps' for others on the periphery of the operation.

It would also fit within the masonic pattern of partial disclosure , ie: deliberately revealing portions of their activities publically.

Why this type of veiled 'disclosure' in the media is done so frequently in conjunction with intelligence operations has been a subject of some speculation among observers.
Some say that it is a masonic tradition that they must 'play fair' to an extent, and are required by masonic law to make
some sort of a public record/warning of their activities. Others say that it is a means of communicating key information within
a worldwide network. Still others say that it is simple gloating, a compulsion to grind even the offal and overspill and entrails
and floor sweepings into sausage and sell it to the public whose brethren are often a very component in the sausage.

Nothing goes to waste, and therefore you have masonic CIA writers and artists like William Burroughs managing to peddle the byproducts of their
own grimy existence as 'art' , as some sort of confirmation of the idiocy of the general public.
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Some have speculated that Cobain's programming may have been breaking down and that this may have been the reason that he wither committed suicide or was
killed at age 27. (mind controlled individuals often start to lose their 'program' near the age of 30, and it is said that the CIA routinely kills such individuals when they begin to overcome their embedded psychic controls , and even start to remember exactly what was done to them as infants/babies/toddlers , and by whom, which of course would pose a danger to those individuals).


On his last record before his death, Cobain did a song dedicated to Frances Farmer called Frances Farmer will have her revenge on Seattle.

The following video of him singing it live in California was shot just four months prior to his death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Hxo2fr7Wk

Now lets just pretend for a moment that it is true that the CIA killed Cobain, and that Cobain was a mind-control project. Why would they kill him, and why then?
What may have tipped off the CIA to Cobain's deteriorating condition , was things like Cobain becoming fascinated with Francis Farmer, herself a famous victim of psychiatric abuse, and comparing himself to her. Worse, he had a tendency to do things like write songs about that sort of thing.
He also connected with William S. Burroughs, another possible 'project' , who wrote books that he did not remember writing, (books which spoke of his having a 'controller', who sent him on secret missions). Why would Cobain have such a morbid interest in such things?
Was this normal for a successful multimillionaire rock star in his twenties? Maybe the CIA knew the answer to those questions and more.

The CIA may have realized that Cobain was going to become a real handful as he remembered more and more of the details of his trauma-based conditioning. (what was done to him and by whom) God knows what else he had stored in memory, and what else he would make public as his memories returned.
Would he remember details of secret crimes he'd been involved with? Names? Faces? Victims?

The chorus of Cobain's Frances Farmer song is 'I miss the comfort in being sad'.
This would sound bizarre to the average person, but could it possibly make sense to someone suffering Cobain's deteriorating
condition? Could it be that the more Cobain flourished financially, artistically and spiritually, the more he broke the bonds
of his conditioning, and the more traumatic memories returned. In other words , there was some 'comfort in being sad',
and a large measure of 'discomfort in being happy', either because it triggered the return of bad memories or because he may have been programmed with some embedded triggers that caused him pain whenever he verged off his controlled emotional path.
Anyone who has looked into how Monarch programming works will find that a common feature of it is that a victim can be made to feel physical pain , as a kind of programmed internal aversion therapy, whenever they begin to remember certain things. Some experience headaches, some black out, some may have some other extreme physical reaction. Cobain was known to experience both blackouts and chronic pain. He said he'd turned to heroin to escape this.
Another reputed 'embed' with Monarch  victims is that of suicide. It is said that some
victims can be programmed to commit suicide if they begin to remember too much
of what their 'alters' happen to have experienced (crimes they may have committed,
or crimes that may have been done/inflicted on   them.)

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Re: Cobain and narcolepsy.  Cobain once fell asleep during an interview and
afterward told them he was narcoleptic. 
I wonder if the sleep state is some transitional phase between one alter
and another. Could it be that , when triggered, some of these 'projects'
begin the process of shifting to an alter, but some part of it involves
first a sudden 'sleep attack' or loss of conciousness, prior to awakening
as an alter?  In other words, the sleeping phase or unconciousness phase
provides the necessary interlude, the 'gap', through which the alternate system is
booted. Like a computer that first shuts down completely, turns off,
before  rebooting.

He told the media he was narcoleptic probably because he had no other explanation
to offer them , or to offer himself, of what was happening to him. He 'fell asleep'
while on the phone with William Burroughs.
When asked about the lyics to 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', and what they meant , he drew
a blank.  He said "We sleep too much."  When pressed again about the meaning of the
lyrics , he said essentially 'your guess is as good as  mine': "It's your crossword puzzle.
You can make of the lyrics what you want them to be".

The media began reporting that he was narcoleptic, and Cobain later refuted it,
saying that he had only made it up because he fell asleep during an interview.
Why would he say that ? Why not just tell them he fell asleep during the interview
because he was exhausted? Why invent something like that?

Of course the media would accept some explanation for why he was always falling asleep.
Some people have said he did not want to let on that he fell asleep during the interview
because he had been high on heroin, and that not only had this made him fall asleep,
it had made him feel it necessary to invent a cover story .

But this whole 'drug addicts always falling asleep in the middle of conversations' thing is
interesting . Why has this only come to bear on Cobain?
Thousands of celebrities and politicians etc. have succumbed to drug addiction. Type in the search terms 'Cobain narcolepsy' on a search engine and you get several hits.
Try the same on Keith Richards for example, and you get nothing . Keith Richards was known for the opposite extreme of staying awake for days
on end.

I would not be so quick to dismiss all of Cobain's problems as due to drug use. There are millions of drug addicts around. Yet narcolepsy is a rare medical disorder.

This 'drug use' explanation for any and all things ailing Cobain seems to be the blanket explanation for everything.

There are people who have claimed that his chronic stomach ailment was due to substance abuse, from ingesting all sorts of toxic substances.
There are accounts of him having performed homosexual acts as a teen to feed his heroin habit.

Cobain had psychiatric problems all his life. From early childhood he was diagnosed as hyperactive, prescribed sedatives for insomnia, etc.
He was not doing heroin at eight years old, on none that I know of.

Which came first? The chicken, or the heavy breathing?
It is entirely possible that Cobain was mentally compromised first, and his drug use a secondary outgrowth of dealing with those problems.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 06:16:09 AM »

keep it coming!
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For those of you who question Cobain's being bisexual:

-Cobain stated “I’m definitely gay in spirit” and “I probably could be bisexual”.

-In the liner notes of a b-sides followup record , called Incesticide, released on-the-fly to capitalize on the runaway sales success of
Nevermind, Cobain writes of performing at a gay-rights benefit concert in Portland,  organized by Gus Van Sant
http://members.fortunecity.com/myparasite/incesticide.htm

-Cobain would French kiss his bass player on stage during public performances.

-He often dressed in a negligee or 'nighty' or slip on stage, and once in the video for 'In Bloom' simulated
a sexual act with Krist Novoselic onstage while wearing it.


Also , Courtney is quoted as saying that Cobain had "made out with half the guys in Seattle"



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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 06:59:24 AM »

I think the Burroughs Cobain connection is just a coincidence. Kurt was just a fan of Burroughs like many many young disenfranchised kids are. He was a severely depressed heroin addict and 'nodded out' during interviews because of his drugs use. He hated stardom and commercialised. He had been taking massive amounts of heroin way more than the usual fatal doseage for quite some time leading up to his suicide and was sleeping in the back of his beat up old car because his fellow drug users would kick him out of the drug dens because they were certain he would OD and bring the cops round. He absolutely hated authority and no way would he have cooperated with the CIA drug running. I remember a story about when he was in Spain and all the kids at the concert that had come to see him play were holding up pieces of tin foil with burnt heroin on them and giving him the thumbs up, it broke his heart. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 07:02:53 AM »

For those of you who question Cobain's being bisexual:

-Cobain stated “I’m definitely gay in spirit” and “I probably could be bisexual”.

-In the liner notes of a b-sides followup record , called Incesticide, released on-the-fly to capitalize on the runaway sales success of
Nevermind, Cobain writes of performing at a gay-rights benefit concert in Portland,  organized by Gus Van Sant
http://members.fortunecity.com/myparasite/incesticide.htm

-Cobain would French kiss his bass player on stage during public performances.

-He often dressed in a negligee or 'nighty' or slip on stage, and once in the video for 'In Bloom' simulated
a sexual act with Krist Novoselic onstage while wearing it.


Also , Courtney is quoted as saying that Cobain had "made out with half the guys in Seattle"


That was Kurt's reaction to the 'jock' type homophobic fans that his band were attracting. It was his way of saying f**k you don't follow my band.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 07:05:28 AM »

That was Kurt's reaction to the 'jock' type homophobic fans that his band were attracting. It was his way of saying f**k you don't follow my band.

just like skull and bones guys doing sex acts on each other.

it is alpha male stuff.

just because George Bush engaged in homosexual activity in the coffin does not mean that he personally is fully sexually attracted to men.

he just wants to show that he has the balls to be gay.


http://www.georgebushisgay.com/
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 08:29:23 AM »

He absolutely hated authority and no way would he have cooperated with the CIA drug running.

You are missing the whole thrust of the thread. Please read what you are replying to.

No one is saying that a man with a government badge came up to Cobain and said "Hi, are you Kurt Cobain? I work for the government. Here is my identification.  How would you like to cooperate with CIA drug running??", and that Cobain had the decision to make there and then.

It's not that simple.

Read the posts more thoroughly. The whole theory is that he may have been controlled.
It states that he had a heroin habit and no income during his youth.  It is said that he worked as a gay male street hooker to feed his habit at one point.

Anyway, I am not going to repost everything that I posted,  for your benefit. At least read what you are responding to.

Also, a lot of kiddie fans hear the term 'European tour' in reference to the 'Bleach' album , and forget that
this 'tour' would have consisted of taking a greyhound bus from city to city and playing bars.

As I said, it doesn't add up that his label would send him 'touring' overseas, when the record was not even a hit
in the U.S.

He had a heroin habit at that point, so lets just say that maybe  he had some big bills to pay, and maybe was offered some 'work' in Europe.  (other than playing noise songs in bars)
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2008, 10:17:04 AM »

I did read the thread and I just think it's way off the mark. Do you really think the CIA would use a bunch of scruffy muscians to move drugs through to Europe? That's absurd.
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I did read the thread and I just think it's way off the mark. Do you really think the CIA would use a bunch of scruffy muscians to move drugs through to Europe? That's absurd.

that's not the whole of it. I don't think you read the thread carefully at all.  What is the point of
smuggling drugs around Europe if no one is buying them? What if no one is addicted and could
give a rat's ass if you brought in TEN TONS of the stuff?

The point is that they were creating a 'drug culture'.  That means setting up a whole system
wherein you have a market for your narcotics.  You target the young. You seed the market.
If you have to bring in bands to make drugs fashionable and have them play at the bars where
 your dealers and users and 'party pushers'
are going to be stationed.  You bring in the drug-addicted musicians from overseas to make
it all look so glamorous. 
The CIA use a bunch of scruffy bikers and rappers and mafiosi  to move drugs around the 
United States, so there is nothing absurd about it at all.
The 'Merry Pranksters' distributed LSD for the CIA.  I don't think you read the thread
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2008, 10:42:43 AM »

Around 1990/91 Europe already had a massive drug culture, I know I live here. In 91 Nirvana played a legendary gig at Reading festival and they already had a large fan base over here after a guy name Everet True had championed the in the popular music mag NME (New Musical Express).
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I am not saying they used Nirvana to invent the drug culture.
They may have used them to invent the grunge culture, and their motive would have been to popularize 'white ghetto' chic,
as at that time there was a  cultural backlash to rap music/gangsta/drug/hooker culture throughout Europe and North America.
The backlash threatened to destroy  a lot of revenue.  So, the answer is to popularize Kurt Cobain and heroin use instead.

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2008, 11:15:36 AM »

just like skull and bones guys doing sex acts on each other.

it is alpha male stuff.


maybe in the case of rich Yale jock-boys.......but I see the Skull n' Bones gay ritual stuff as a means of shaming, compromising,
and swearing-to-secrecy, etc.  Once initiated/tainted, they are likely to repeat the behavior later in life, leaving them vulnerable
to blackmail and control.  It is all part of a control-mechanism.  imo, it is also a means of 'breaking' or 'gelding' these boys, like
race horses, cleansing them of the hyper-competitive instinct/aggression and making them more 'supple', more maleable and receptive to being trained/controlled.

I think the Seattle/Portland Gus Van Sant scene might be something else entirely.
Who would characterize the spectre of an impoverished, skinny, neglected and drug-addicted teen aged 13-17 yrs.
fellating an older , richer , and bigger male, often black or Italian gang members, to be 'alpha male' behaviour?
This is what Cobain was involved with.

Targeting the young males of a people, the very pride and vigor and future, may be the final act in the
complete demoralization, emasculation, domination, and rape of various communities.
Paying these street boys to 'serve' them might represent the ultimate in 'instant gratification' of
some sick impulse.





 
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2008, 05:44:21 PM »

Wow. Truly mind-blowing posts here. Thanks and keep the analysis coming!
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2008, 10:42:26 PM »

I did read the thread and I just think it's way off the mark. Do you really think the CIA would use a bunch of scruffy muscians to move drugs through to Europe? That's absurd.

CIA used Nashville to move drugs throughout the heartland for decades.  You can read Cathy O'Brien or watch Kay Griggs about it:

Mind Control & MKULTRA, Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips
1 hr 44 min - Jul 24, 2006 -  (60 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7461738120783343519


Kay Griggs Talks: Desperate Wives (Blackmail In US Government 1 of 2
3 hr 44 min - Apr 7, 2006 -  (85 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862


Kay Griggs Talks: Desperate Wives (Blackmail In US Government 2 of 2
3 hr 33 min - Apr 7, 2006 -  (32 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9137016279925999679

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2008, 10:48:06 PM »

maybe in the case of rich Yale jock-boys.......but I see the Skull n' Bones gay ritual stuff as a means of shaming, compromising,
and swearing-to-secrecy, etc.  Once initiated/tainted, they are likely to repeat the behavior later in life, leaving them vulnerable
to blackmail and control.  It is all part of a control-mechanism.  imo, it is also a means of 'breaking' or 'gelding' these boys, like
race horses, cleansing them of the hyper-competitive instinct/aggression and making them more 'supple', more maleable and receptive to being trained/controlled.

I think the Seattle/Portland Gus Van Sant scene might be something else entirely.
Who would characterize the spectre of an impoverished, skinny, neglected and drug-addicted teen aged 13-17 yrs.
fellating an older , richer , and bigger male, often black or Italian gang members, to be 'alpha male' behaviour?
This is what Cobain was involved with.

Targeting the young males of a people, the very pride and vigor and future, may be the final act in the
complete demoralization, emasculation, domination, and rape of various communities.
Paying these street boys to 'serve' them might represent the ultimate in 'instant gratification' of
some sick impulse.
 


I am sorry, I was just looking for an excuse to bash the rich Yale jock-boys.  yup different stuff.

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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2008, 09:14:15 AM »

Wow. Truly mind-blowing posts here. Thanks and keep the analysis coming!

Have you watched 'My Own Private Idaho?'
Assuming that Gus Van Sant followed the advice of his CIA protege and writer William Burroughs to 'write about
what you know',  I think 'My Own Private Idaho' may be a veiled expose' of how certain facets of the
CIA street operations work, vis a vis monarch subjects, prostitution, drug trafficking,
etc. 
Re: MOPI

That makes a close examination of the machinations within the film quite interesting and possibly revealing.
It could reveal how the CIA successfully manipulates people and moves them around, often while they unaware
of it.
Is Van Sant drawing on knowledge of things that happened to real people in real life? 
Lets assume for a moment that Van Sant is CIA/mob  connected, and therefore has firsthand knowledge of all the casinos,
mob hits, mind control operations, prostitution-underclass etc. related to his whole body of knowledge.
(write what you know about)  There could be some insight here on how mob hits are done, how babies are 'procured',
etc.

Notable in My Own Private Idaho is the fact that the character of  Mike's mother in the film is said to be  a former Reno casino dancer/stripper who was placed in a psychiatric institution for murdering her boyfriend (the boyfriend was a crooked card dealer who ripped off the casino in Reno he had worked for) Mike is raised in the psyhiatric facility from the age of one, and Mike only
has vague memories of his mother from the age of about three. Beyond infancy, he has never known his mother.
(Reno is close to Bohemian Grove)  He returns to Idaho on a quest to find his mother, but he finds that  she has disappeared from Idaho before he can track her down. He finds her old employer who tells him that his mother "saved up enough money to go to Rome, in search of her 'family', though she did not look Italian."  He and Scott (his handler?) go to Rome to try to find her.

The character Mike (River Phoenix) did not look Italian either, but was also lured to Rome 'in search of family'.
This could mean that Mike's mother herself was lured to Rome in the same way that Mike was.

Assume for a moment  that Van Sant based the character of Mike's mother on a real person and  knows of someone who was moved around in this fashion.
Maybe Mike's mother, too, was told that a family member was there, and went there in search of them, the same way that Mike was lured there in search of her. Or it could be implying that Mike was lured to Rome by his handler, as odd coincidences lead to Mike's 'handler' Scott (Keanu Reeves) , obtaining enough money to take him to Rome via a 'chance encounter' with a wealthy acquaintance.

The impression given throughout the film is that Reeves manipulates and controls Mike , and is actually quite masterful in moving
him about, and moving him among various contacts that he has all over the place . He is moved from Seattle to Portland to Idaho to
Rome, all under the complete and effortless control of Reeves, son of the extremely powerful mayor of Portland (who wields awesome
power for a mere mayor)
Throughout the film he is moved about and prostituted to wealthy illuminati types.

So either Mike's mother was legitimately in Rome, or this was just a ploy used by Reeves to transport him to Rome.
There is also a question as to Mike's true parenthood in the film. They return to Idaho to visit his 'brother', who Mike
refers to as his father. So Mike is either the product of incest between his mother and his brother, or there is an unknown father
somewhere.

Could this be the 'family' that his mother goes to Rome in search of ? Is she searching for Mike's father in Rome?
Another interesting thing is that his mother is described by his brother as a casino dancer/ prostitute, who ended
up murdering a man who was caught ripping off a casino that he worked for in Nevada, and sent to a mental institution instead of prison, ostensibly because she had a new born baby.

She may  have had Illuminati contacts who ensured her civilized treatment in exchange for access to her baby, or she
may have been framed for the murder to grant the CIA access to her baby.

She killed someone who ripped off the mafia-owned casino, went away, and then went to Rome in search of 'family'. Could this be someone linked to her Italian mafia contacts in Reno, who are possibly also her handlers?

useless tidbit:

This reminds me vaguely of a scene in Rosemary's Baby, where Sharon Tate is knocked out and dreams that she is taken by boat
to Rome, where something is done to her body in the Sistine Chapel, before she is impregnated in a satanic ritual.
The film 'Rosemary's Baby' may have been a window on occult mind-control operations and how they work.  There may be
a Rome connection throughout many of these cases.  Interesting is that actress Sharon Tate was murdered
by the Charles Manson cult, which many have speculated were linked to the CIA's  'Operation Chaos' LSD movement.



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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2008, 03:03:25 PM »

You definitely made a strong analysis of many aspects of his life; however, these are all coincidental connections.  I don't see any strong proof to provide evidence to support your theory.  It is just a theory, albeit a detailed one, but nothing substantial.
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2008, 03:11:39 PM »

Interesting. However, I don't believe it for a second.

A rock I took from my backyard keeps away tigers. You don't see any tigers near me, do you? Therefore the rock keeps away tigers.

No offense intended, but it just seems like a bunch of unrelated coincedences to me. Like my rock that keeps away tigers.
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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2008, 03:28:14 PM »

I always thought the song rape me, is about him being mind raped, and he knew it. All public figures are monitored.

Thats what i thought that song meant to him.

Thanks for this info, i was a big fan, and i fully understand people thinking he was mind controled.
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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2008, 09:24:45 PM »

You definitely made a strong analysis of many aspects of his life; however, these are all coincidental connections.  I don't see any strong proof to provide evidence to support your theory.  It is just a theory, albeit a detailed one, but nothing substantial.

it is a substantial theory, and a work in progress, thank you for laborious analysis and research
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2008, 09:28:27 PM »

Interesting. However, I don't believe it for a second.

A rock I took from my backyard keeps away tigers. You don't see any tigers near me, do you? Therefore the rock keeps away tigers.

No offense intended, but it just seems like a bunch of unrelated coincedences to me. Like my rock that keeps away tigers.

enjoy your rock
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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2008, 09:33:50 PM »

it is a substantial theory, and a work in progress, thank you for laborious analysis and research
in contributing.

nicely put : )


please feel free to continue the analysis.

by the way, can you connect it to the Nashville crew that according to Cathy O'Brien did practically the same thing in the US heartland (maybe without all the lyrics)?
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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2008, 07:48:51 PM »

nicely put : )


please feel free to continue the analysis.

by the way, can you connect it to the Nashville crew that according to Cathy O'Brien did practically the same thing in the US heartland (maybe without all the lyrics)?

I am sure the place to begin would be with a string of mysterious deaths related
to country music.  That usually seems to be the giveaway to this whole network.

Any famous Nashville mystery deaths you'd care to share?

Another vein to pursue in this the apparent 'gay agenda' aspect of the CIA/masons, no doubt at the behest of the 'population control' elite , Rothschilds  etc.

Here is an interesting link on that subject:

Toronto Maple Leafs new gay film, & masonic occult ties
http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-60649.html 

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http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=82

TT: You said that they controlled the music you heard. What did they want you to listen to?

Cathy: There was a lot of music going on back those days that I have missed and have only found since I have been recovered and deprogrammed and have been able to choose music for myself. But the 60s freedom music I didn’t get to listen to, and any kind of protest, or anything like that. Instead I had to listen to country music. That ultimately was the industry that I traveled in during the Reagan/Bush administration, under the control primarily of Senator Byrd, who was my owner in MK-ULTRA.

TT: When did Senator Byrd become your controller? And what was he like back then? Because now he’s sort of a doddering old man. He’s always shaking. Was he like that when you knew him.

Cathy: No. I’ve been familiar with him all my life, or all of my mind-controlled existence rather. Because there’s not any “life” under mind control per se, because there’s no capacity for free thought, no capacity for free will, or ultimately any soul expression. So I could only robotically do the things that I was told to do, and during those years I was exposed to numerous high-profile political perpetrators that were involved in MK-ULTRA. They are, of course, named in our book, The Trance-formation of America.

TT: What was the progression of controllers that you had. Was there more than one at a time?

Cathy: I had what is termed “handlers”, and handlers would make sure that I was in various places at certain times, either on military or NASA installations for mind control programming, or in and out of Washington, D.C. I traveled under the guise of the country music industry, because it provided a means of travel in and out of the Caribbean, Mexico, and Canada, which were primarily the areas I was used in, as well as all across the United States. So my handler would make sure that I was in designated areas at specific times, either for programming, or to carry out the covert operations that I was used in during the Reagan/Bush administration.

TT: OK, so Senator Byrd was not the only one. Is there a difference between a handler and an owner, or a controller?

Cathy: I had two different handlers in the course of being under absolute robotic mind control, and my father, I’m sure, would be considered a handler as well, because once he agreed to raise me according to government specifications, he followed their instructions and followed what they told him to do with me, and where to take me, how to condition me, how to control my environment, and things like that. So in essence, he was my first handler. When MK-ULTRA came into my life, the regimentation, the systematic kind of conditioning and abuse and programming that I received from that point on was far more structured than the natural high suggestibility resultant from the incest and the pornography that I was used in as a very young child. My father was approached and told. He didn’t think to do this on his own, in other words. He was being told. So he became a handler. Handlers follow instructions. Owners are the ones who decide which projects or which operations to use someone in, and in my case, that was Senator Byrd, and that was how I ended up on a higher government level. I first met him at Mackinaw Island, at the Governor’s mansion when I was 13 years old, and that’s when he became my owner, which lasted throughout my victimization right up until Mark rescued my daughter and I in 1988.

TT: As far as the operations that you were used in for Project Monarch - it started out with prostitution and pornography, right?

Cathy: Right.

TT: And then did it move into other areas? Were you used as a drug mule?

Cathy: Well, I think the next step that was so significant to me was the use of occultism. At that time the local Catholic church - and again, I’m not saying that all Catholics are involved and that they’re all bad, but there is a criminal faction within the Catholic Church, within the Order of the Jesuits, which is the intelligence arm of the Vatican, a part of which my family ultimately had ties into and was a further causation for me to be victimized within the church system. But nevertheless, the Catholic church was heavily involved in the sexual abuse of children, which was widespread and has definitely come to light. They’ve had to pay out on numerous child abuse cases as a result. But the reversal of the Catholic Mass is, of course, Satanism, and being exposed to Satanism is definitely trauma too horrible to comprehend. Any kind of blood trauma like that is really horrible, and that was used to further dissociate my mind, further compartmentalize it for future programming. And that theme was used right through my second handler. Well, really, right on through my whole victimization there was always some aspect of occultism that came in as well. And alien themes were also a very common trauma base. Anything that’s beyond our ability to affect or control, or something in our minds that we perceive as too big to be able to affect like that is what they would use to ultimately gain control. Superstition begins where knowledge leaves off, and superstition makes a person more suggestible and easily controlled, so they definitely used superstitious kind of themes to further program. Those were significant trauma bases.

TT: Yeah, I understand from your book that there were Satanic rituals that took place at this Catholic church. Were there Satanic rituals that took place elsewhere throughout your life?

Cathy: Definitely, and so often they’re done more as a trauma base for mind control. It’s even used in the military which, for example, has the occult Temple of Set, which is supposedly more intellectually based, which is used to traumatize people. That leaves them widely suggestible for mind control programming. It’s a very deliberate method, and it has proliferated heavily on our military bases. And it was certainly a part of my victimization right up until Mark rescued my daughter and I. And I say “rescued” because I had lost my ability to even think to survive. There was nothing I could do to pull us out of our situation. I couldn’t think about what was happening. I was so robotic by that time. It took someone with eyes to see and ears to hear, and a heart to care to be able to take us out of the situation that we were in.



TT: You seem to be saying that these people were not religiously Satanists. They were just using it to control people.

Cathy: Oftentimes that was the case.

TT: But do you think there is a spiritual aspect to this, where they actually believe in the power of Satan, or of these other gods?

Cathy: I think there are some that believe that, but the primary mind control programmers who use that for a theme certainly know better and know that the so-called “Satanic power” was in the form of a stun gun and sophisticated mind control programming methodisms that included harmonics, and a deliberate, systematic use of sleep, food, and water deprivation. That was what they really knew to be the ultimate power, and didn’t have anything to do with anything spiritual.

TT: There was, in your programming, a lot of imagery from Disney and other popular children’s movies which was used. And also there was something you were forced to participate in called “The Most Dangerous Game.” Have you seen that movie, The Most Dangerous Game?

Cathy: No.

TT: It’s this movie from the 50s about human hunting.

Cathy: I wonder if that was based on the military maneuver, or if the military maneuver sprang from it. I’m not familiar with that movie, but I am familiar with the military maneuver of playing “The Most Dangerous Game”, where a person is in the woods and attempting to survive while they’re being hunted. That was the kind of trauma that I was exposed to for programming purposes.

TT: I thought that it was significant when I found this out the other day: one of Anton LaVey’s favorite places in the world was Disneyland, and his daughter, Zeena LaVey’s favorite movie was The Most Dangerous Game.

Cathy: I think one of the strongest weapons is a scramble of fantasy and reality, kind of along the same lines as military programming tactics. They use a video game for military training, and they can’t tell reality from the video, so when they’re actually in a combat situation, it’s more like they’re just playing out a video game. They loose their ability to consciously comprehend what they’re doing, and to be able to critically analyze it, which is really essential. And so they end up just being able to point and shoot, point and shoot, without giving it any real thought to the magnitude of what’s actually happening. They’ll play it out more like a video game. And oftentimes with mind control programming, they would attempt to scramble it with a movie, hence the conditioning of the Disney movies and all, which were quite extensively used. But the primary one which was used was The Wizard of Oz, because of the kind of dimensional aspects that come into play of “over the rainbow.” We see a lot of indications that this is still going on today.

TT: Do you think that the movies were written and edited specifically for the use of mind control, or was the mind control adapted to the movies?

Cathy: That’s a good question, and I wouldn’t really know.

TT: When your father started participating in Project Monarch, didn’t you say that Gerald Ford came over to the house to give him instructions?

Cathy: Well, he was a local politician, and as his career escalated, so too did my victimization. But then, again, I don’t know how you wanna go about naming names and the best way to put it in this particular article, so I’ll leave it up to you and your discretion. But ultimately for names, I think I’d refer ‘em to the book, because The Trance-formation of America was written for the U.S. Congressional Select Committee on Intelligence Oversight, and the facts that are in the book are all well-documented, where they would be able to have a point of reference for understanding exactly the material that was written there, probably more so that the average person on the street. So the documentation, the absolute facts, and names are definitely in the book.

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The Grand Ole Opry

After graduating from Muskegon Catholic Central, Senator Byrd ordered that I go to Nashville, Tennessee. Although Senator Byrd is from West Virginia, his influence in Nashville is still very strong be cause of the corruption that permeated the country music industry. CIA drug running operations were going on within the country try music industry. White slavery was prevalent. And corruption all the way to the top of the politicians from Tennessee was extensive.

Also, Senator Byrd fancied himself an entertainer. He thought he was a fiddler and he'd play at the Grand Ole Opry on occasion. And it was on one of those occasions that I was first went to Nashville. Playing music behind Senator Byrd was a guy named Wayne Cox.

After the Opry, I was subjected to an occult ritual and witnessed a murder. The first of many that I would witness Wayne Cox commit. He shot a railroad bum right between the eyes and removed his hands. This was so traumatizing to me that I readily accepted the program that I would have to go with Wayne Cox. Of course this was against my will. I was so terrified after what had happened but I couldn't think to refuse. I could not think to not do what I was told.

As my handler, Cox followed Senator Byrd's instructions to insure that I was at certain places at specific times for mind control programming and above all, for further traumatization. Because Senator Byrd was preparing me to participate in criminal covert operations during the Reagan-Bush administration, he wanted numerous memory compartments to be programmed. Which meant I would need to be further traumatized for each "compartment" and Wayne Cox was actively involved as a serial killer in occultism.



CIA drug smuggling

Wayne Cox took me to his homestead in Louisiana where he was working under the direction of Louisiana Senator, J. Bennett Johnston. Senator Johnston was running a whole band of mercenaries that were being sent into South America. These mercenaries were mind control programmed because their government secrets could be kept behind their amnesiac barriers. They were far more efficient than normal soldiers, plus they had physical endurance, plus they followed orders.

Wayne Cox was triggering these mercenaries into operation according to J Bennett Johnston's instructions. These guys, like me, had been so severely traumatized by occult ritual that when they saw that severed hand--that "hand of glory" as it's called--from one of Cox's numerous victims, they automatically went into a trance and robotically carried out the programmed orders.

Senator Johnston firmly believed that when the airplanes took these guys down to South America, the planes should not come back empty. Instead they should come back with large quantities of cocaine for CIA drug operations to fuel the NWO effort. That's when I learned the extent of the ClA's involvement in the drug industry. I learned that the ClA's so-called "war on drugs" is no more than the CIA eliminating the competition.

Incidentally, Wayne Cox remains free from prosecution due to who and what he knows is involved in MK Ultra. He remains free in Chatham, Louisiana to continue his horrific crimes for reasons of "national security."



False idols

The traumas that I endured in Louisiana were certainly sufficient to create the memory compartments that Senator Byrd wanted. One way that J. Bennett Johnston manipulated my mind, was by telling me that he was a space alien and that he had been part of the "Philadelphia experiment". And that when that ship has disappeared, it had come back a space ship. It certainly had a strong effect on my young mind because I felt absolutely helpless thinking that space aliens were in control.

In 1977, J. Bennett Johnston took me to his General Dynamics office. It was highly secured and he showed me a top secret Stealth Fighter. There was no information out about this Stealth Fighter. It wasn't in any college textbooks. There wasn't any people talking about it. I never heard of it before and yet here it was right in front of me, a triangular space ship.

We have to be very careful when we realize that the government is at least 25 years ahead of us technologically. The effects of first seeing that advanced technology can allow for any belief system, and I know for a fact. that there is a plan to convince people that once their advanced technology is revealed, that it is derived from space aliens, and aliens are in control of our country. But in truth, these are people.

They always manipulated me by some aspect that made me feel completely helpless. As though it was beyond my realm to affect at all. They told me that they were gods, that they were aliens and that they were demons. In fact, these are people. These are people that are subject to the same laws as the rest of us. These are people that are certainly within our realm to affect. Remember that. Because they are people, they can be stopped--their charade's gone on long enough!



Meaner and Mena

Since I was primed and ready for mind control programming, I was taken to Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma. Tinker Air Force Base is where many of Johnston's mercenaries had been programmed and I became a "tinker belle"--mind control programmed through high voltage, sleep, food and water deprivation, and subconscious mind manipulation. I was programmed to carry out my first trial run operation. This involved carrying a large quantity of cocaine that had been brought back in on one of those airplanes, to load it up and carry it to a remote area in Washita Forest in the neighboring state of Arkansas. It was 1978. I've since identified this area as the Mena Airport.

I was instructed to deliver a message, a package of information, and a small quantity of J. Bennett Johnston's personal stash of cocaine to then-Governor of Arkansas Bill Clinton. That was my first exposure to Bill Clinton. I saw him cut out two lines of cocaine and snort it. Yes, he did inhale--cocaine. In 1978, Bill Clinton was already heavily involved in the drug industry.

I didn't have a sexual encounter with Bill Clinton then. My sexual exposure to Bill Clinton was extremely limited because I witnessed Bill Clinton involved in homosexual activity. I know that Bill Clinton is bisexual, leaning far more towards the homosexual end.

Consider what's been done to our society since he's been in office. Just this past year, he ordered that we have "gay celebration month" in our school system. That's not gay "awareness"day. This is gay celebration month and Bill Clinton ordered it. It was Hilary Clinton that accessed my sex programming. It was Hilary that I was sexually exposed to. It is my experience that she, too, is bisexual, leaning far more towards a homosexual end.



The Next Generation

In 1980, I was twenty-three and my daughter Kelly was born in Louisiana. She was born right into the CIA's MK Ultra Project. Her level of victimization was much more sophisticated than mine was. Their technology had advanced tremendously by that point. She was subjected to the military/NASA mind control "harmonics" programming as well as the trauma based mind control that I was subjected to. I never contributed to her abuse but I was powerless to help her. I couldn't think to stop what was being done to her anymore than I could think to run away.

Back before the "rite to remain silent"--way back when I was just an itty bitty kid and had hoped--had the ability to think at all, and had hoped that there was someplace in this world where good people existed, where they didn't hurt each other, and I'd dreamed of having a bunch of kids myself. Because I knew that those kids weren't going to be abused. That was one of my fantasies, one of the last hopes that I'd had and now I finally had a daughter of my own - but she was born right into the project and there was absolutely nothing that I could do. As soon as she was born, Senator Byrd ordered that we be transferred back to Nashville, Tennessee.

We were transferred to our second mind control handler, Alex Houston--a ventriloquist and stage hypnotist in the country music industry. Alex Houston followed Senator Byrd's orders to ensure that Kelly and I were at specific places at certain times to carry out the criminal operations that we were forced to participate in and to fulfill the perversions of those controlling our country. The country music industry provided a cover for bringing us into various military and NASA installations for sophisticated mind control programming.

One of our primary mind control programmers was Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino. He was with the psychological warfare division of the US Army and founder of the occult "Temple of Set" that is proliferating on our military bases under the guise of a religion. He doesn't have any religious beliefs that I ever saw, but he used occultism as a trauma base for mind control. The only Satanic power that I ever experienced by Aquino was in the form of a stun gun. The high voltage that he administered to both my daughter and I, compartmentalized memories of programs for later access by certain government leaders and ClA-sanctioned drug lords that had the codes, keys and triggers to that program.



Hail to the Bush

Throughout the 1880s we were forced to carry out numerous activities dealing with the drug industry, pornography, and prostitution. In 1983 Senator Byrd acted in the capacity of a pimp and prostituted me to then-President Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan is an actor and the smoke and mirrors illusion he created certainly fooled many people into believing that our country was still ours when in fact we were rapidly losing control as our country was being sold out into the NWO. It was Ronald Reagan who--I heard him say to then prime minister of Canada Brian Mulrooney (who's also very much involved in this NWO effort) that he believed the only way to world peace is through mind control of the masses.

Consider the ramifications. I know from experience that there's no peace of mind under mind control. Without free thought there's no free will. Without free will--without that God-given free will, there's no spiritual expression. And I wonder at a so-called "world peace" that involves mind control. that keeps people from having a spiritual connection. keeps people from having free will and free thought. It seems to me that in order to have world peace we must have peace of mind. Ronald Reagan's justification for the NWO absolutely terrifies me in that we've got to consider the effects on the spirit.

It was my experience during the Reagan/Bush administration that Ronald Reagan followed orders from George Bush ! Look at George Bush's background. He began with the United Nations, then he went on to head our CIA and then he ran our country right into NWO controls through three administrations: Ronald Reagan followed orders from George Bush; then George Bush was in office; and I know for a fact that Bill Clinton follows orders from George Bush. Not robotically - but because he also believes in mind control of the masses.

In 1984 I was at the Lampe, Missouri at a CIA near-dealh trauma center. It's an enormous cocaine hub, but more importantly a sophisticated mind control center to program paramilitary--guys who are used in paramilitary operations. The Lampe operation was just across the Arkansas border and was very much a part of Clinton's operation. It was there in 1984 that I ever heard (and photographically recorded after severe trauma) Bill Clinton and George Bush talking (they're friends), and George Bush said how when the American people become disillusioned with Republicans in control of our country and running it into the NWO, that Bill Clinton as a Democrat would be put in office.

Obviously, it happened according to plan. But I tell you this so that you know this has nothing to do with party lines. this is not about Democrats or Republicans. This is about NWO controls -- those who are for them and those who are against them.



Education or indoctrination?

It was also in the 80s that I was forced to work under the direction of Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Education, Bill Bennett. This was the same Bill Bennett who is a professed Jesuit, definitely the criminal faction of the Jesuits, a mind manipulator, a mind programmer who believes that all of our children should be taught by Jesuits and has said so publicly, He is also instrumental, along with his companion, Lamar Alexander, in bringing in this Outcome Based Education (OBE).

They agreed with Adolph Hitler who said that regardless of the few people that could still think for themselves, he wasn't concerned with them because he had control of the minds of the children And these people controlling our country believed that they could control the future by controlling our children by controlling their education.

It's happening.

But I never heard them once suppose that people would see their children go to school and come back with socialistic values and acting robotic, and then refuse to tolerate what's being done in the public school system. People everywhere are home schooling their children. They're finding alternative ways because there's been an ongoing effort by people all across this country to take back our schools.

There has been sufficient public out cry to make change were it not for the fact that the governors have been corrupted. Not all governors have been corrupted. I don't know that all governors even know exactly what OBE is all about. But I am aware that Senator Byrd decided that he would put the states in a financial position whereby they would be forced to accept OBE in order to get any kind of federal funding for education. For this purpose, this year every governor in the United States but one accepted OBE into the school systems. Only Alabama's Governor James said the federal government has no business meddling in the minds of our children. We must be aware of OBE and mind control on all levels for our children's' sake.
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2008, 04:42:48 AM »

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Another vein to pursue in this the apparent 'gay agenda' aspect of the CIA/masons, no doubt at the behest of the 'population control' elite , Rothschilds  etc...........



DAVID GEFFEN

In 1991 Nirvana's contract (Sub Pop) was bought out by Geffen. Nirvana were the first non-mainstream band to join the label.


Geffen Records was founded in 1980 by music industry businessman David Geffen who struck a deal with Warner Bros Records to create Geffen Records. Geffen Records' first signee was disco superstar Donna Summer, whose gold-selling album The Wanderer became the label's first release in 1980. The label followed it up with Double Fantasy by John Lennon and Yoko Ono. It was Lennon's first album of all-new material in several years. Two days after it entered the charts, Lennon was assassinated in New York City. Subsequently, the album went on to sell millions and gave Geffen its first number-one album and single.

The December release of John Lennon's album Double Fantasy seems an impressive feat for a new label, but at the time Lennon stated that Geffen was the only one with enough confidence in him to agree to a deal without hearing the record first. In December 1980 Lennon was fatally shot and Double Fantasy became a massive seller.

The death of Lennon seems very fortunate for Geffen and years later that 'luck' again would surface with the death of Kurt Cobain.

Courtney Love, Cobain's wife was also in a band who were signed to Geffen called Hole. Four days after Cobain's death Hole released an album called coincidently, Live Through This. It was a commercial and critical success. Rolling Stone, Spin and the Village Voice all declared it "Album of the Year", and by November the record was certified gold. By April 1995, it went platinum. Many people believe that Love had something to do with the death of Kurt. Rumors were rife that he wanted a divorce and that he was going to cut her out of his estate. Tom Grant a Private Investigator who was initially hired by Love to keep a track on Kurt certainly believes that Love was involved in his death.

http://www.freewebs.com/cobainwasmurdered/abitboutkurt.htm

Tom Grant also worked on the PAULA JONES case.


More about - David Geffen -

‘’I never went to business school. I was just bumbling through a lot of my life. I was like the guy behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz.‘’.


Geffen, who is openly gay, was the subject of a persistent but false 1990s rumor that he had married actor Keanu Reeves.
In the mid 1990s three men decided to form new company. Those three men were Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Geffen. The company was to be called Dreamworks.
Geffen has developed a reputation as a prominent philanthropist for his publicized support of medical research, AIDS organizations, the arts and theatre. He was an early financial supporter of President Bill Clinton. In 2001 he had a falling out with the former President over Clinton's decision to not pardon Leonard Peltier, on whose behalf he had lobbied the President.
Geffen is currently supporting Barack Obama for President and raised $1.3 million for Obama in a star-studded Beverly Hills fund raiser. On 21 February 2007, in an interview with Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Geffen described Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton in unflattering terms: "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling." He said that Hillary Clinton was "incredibly polarizing" and described Bill Clinton as "reckless" and cast doubt on those who say he has become a different person since leaving office.


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DAVID GEFFEN

In 1991 Nirvana's contract (Sub Pop) was bought out by Geffen. Nirvana were the first non-mainstream band to join the label.


Geffen Records was founded in 1980 by music industry businessman David Geffen who struck a deal with Warner Bros Records to create Geffen Records. Geffen Records' first signee was disco superstar Donna Summer, whose gold-selling album The Wanderer became the label's first release in 1980. The label followed it up with Double Fantasy by John Lennon and Yoko Ono. It was Lennon's first album of all-new material in several years. Two days after it entered the charts, Lennon was assassinated in New York City. Subsequently, the album went on to sell millions and gave Geffen its first number-one album and single.

The December release of John Lennon's album Double Fantasy seems an impressive feat for a new label, but at the time Lennon stated that Geffen was the only one with enough confidence in him to agree to a deal without hearing the record first. In December 1980 Lennon was fatally shot and Double Fantasy became a massive seller.

The death of Lennon seems very fortunate for Geffen and years later that 'luck' again would surface with the death of Kurt Cobain.

Courtney Love, Cobain's wife was also in a band who were signed to Geffen called Hole. Four days after Cobain's death Hole released an album called coincidently, Live Through This. It was a commercial and critical success. Rolling Stone, Spin and the Village Voice all declared it "Album of the Year", and by November the record was certified gold. By April 1995, it went platinum. Many people believe that Love had something to do with the death of Kurt. Rumors were rife that he wanted a divorce and that he was going to cut her out of his estate. Tom Grant a Private Investigator who was initially hired by Love to keep a track on Kurt certainly believes that Love was involved in his death.

http://www.freewebs.com/cobainwasmurdered/abitboutkurt.htm

Tom Grant also worked on the PAULA JONES case.


More about - David Geffen -

‘’I never went to business school. I was just bumbling through a lot of my life. I was like the guy behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz.‘’.


Geffen, who is openly gay, was the subject of a persistent but false 1990s rumor that he had married actor Keanu Reeves.
In the mid 1990s three men decided to form new company. Those three men were Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg, and David Geffen. The company was to be called Dreamworks.
Geffen has developed a reputation as a prominent philanthropist for his publicized support of medical research, AIDS organizations, the arts and theatre. He was an early financial supporter of President Bill Clinton. In 2001 he had a falling out with the former President over Clinton's decision to not pardon Leonard Peltier, on whose behalf he had lobbied the President.
Geffen is currently supporting Barack Obama for President and raised $1.3 million for Obama in a star-studded Beverly Hills fund raiser. On 21 February 2007, in an interview with Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Geffen described Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton in unflattering terms: "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling." He said that Hillary Clinton was "incredibly polarizing" and described Bill Clinton as "reckless" and cast doubt on those who say he has become a different person since leaving office.




that innuendo and casual linking of David Geffen to such an unconceivable conspiracy seems rather far fetched.  but just a little research shows that David Geffen is one powerful dude (Not a Rockefeller or a Rothschild, but pretty powerful nontheless):

http://www.amazon.com/Operator-David-Geffen-Builds-Hollywood/dp/0679457542

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DreamWorks cofounder David Geffen, as portrayed by Wall Street Journal reporter Tom King, is in various ways a saint, a visionary, and an absolute maniac. In his saintly mode, Geffen both raises and gives record-breaking sums of money to AIDS foundations, advises and supports the President and progressive causes, and races to visit old friends stricken with grief or illness (even the washed-up agent Sue Mengers, whose friendship could do him no earthly good).

As a visionary in the music, movie, and Broadway theater industries, Geffen orchestrates the sale of his record companies, which made him a billionaire, and brings you Laura Nyro; Cats; Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young; Tom Cruise; the Eagles; Nirvana; Bob Dylan; John Lennon; Guns N' Roses; Saving Private Ryan; and Joni Mitchell (who immortalized his deepest yearnings in her tune "Free Man in Paris").

But the most impressive and detailed portion of King's landmark biography is Geffen's performance as an entertainment entrepreneur, and in this capacity he is apparently a visionary and a maniac at the same time. Not only does he discover all manner of talents and works of art and hire the best hit-sniffers in the business, he also masters the fine Hollywood art of the Machiavellian tantrum. Geffen allegedly softens up his prey in a business deal by offering up disarming gossip about his own life--his traumatic courtship of Cher, or Marlo Thomas, perhaps, or the male prostitute he is said to have boasted about being in bed with the night John Lennon was shot. At some point, minutes or decades into an apparent friendship, Geffen is shown betraying anyone, even best friends and mentors, in his relentless quest for winning a deal. King's book provides a ringside seat; it's fascinating to watch Tinseltown's titans slug it out in championship bouts, maneuvering, lying, reuniting, and seizing power like crazed Renaissance princes.

In one memorable encounter, Geffen protests that Sid Sheinberg of MCA is displeasing his DreamWorks colleague, Steven Spielberg. "David, stop screaming," says Sheinberg. "I'm not screaming!" Geffen screams. "David, you know what would make me happy?" says Speilberg. "Stop screaming." It turns out that Geffen doesn't even know the details of the deal in question. But nobody knows how to strike a deal--with mind and maniacal heart--like David Geffen. --Tim Appelo

From Library Journal
It's easy to see why David Geffen hates this book. King, who has written about the entertainment business for the Wall Street Journal for nearly ten years, portrays Geffen as a mixed-up, tantrum-prone, greed-driven, Machiavellian huckster. King clearly got a good deal of access to friends and past associates as well as Geffen himself before the mogul decided to withdraw authorization from the project. And Geffen apparently has plenty of enemies willing to tell tales of infantile and brutish behavior. King carefully orders these to reveal the chronology of Geffen's rise and subsequent manipulations; and plentiful personal anecdotes will satisfy readers looking for cocktail-party small talk. It may all even be true; but truth is not the only measure of biography. King's journalistic training is his biggest problem. His unnuanced, just-the-facts style does not sustain interest through more than 500 pages of narrative, and his insistence on resolving inconsistencies and explaining behavior with formulaic psychology results in a cardboard cutout of his subject. Most surprisingly from a WSJ reporter, Geffen's skills as a deal-maker are left relatively unexplored beyond retellings of who were the players and who got what out of the deal. There will be demand for the book, and King's early access means it will be the most fully researched source on Geffen for years to come, but most libraries can make do with a single copy of this workmanlike effort.
---Eric Bryant, "Library Journal"
Copyright 2000 Reed Business Information, Inc.


 A Spectacular Portrait of a Frightening Time, March 20, 2000

"The Operator" makes for compelling reading. King has done a tremendous job of capturing a frightening time in Hollywood, and showing readers what made it so frightening. This book is not just about Geffen but about all the lives he touched, helped and often ruined. Some of the icons of the 80s and 90s figure powerfully into this story--The Eagles, Neil Young, Michael Eisner, Spielberg, Katzenberg and Nirvana.

King's portrait of a man who was not afraid to burn bridges, betray his mentors, and ingratiate himself with people he loathed is a classic tale of the lonely but powerful maverick who has great skills but also severe character flaws. The tragedy of Geffen is that there is much to admire in this man, but it is impossible to overlook the pain he caused so many people who were apparently loyal to him.

The book is balanced; I understand why Geffen is upset by the book but I think an objective reader comes away with equal measures of fear and respect for the man. In a sense I think King has done Geffen a favor by allowing readers a glimpse of the human component behind the wealth and power. There is no excuse for some of the things Geffen has done, but there is a reason: without psychoanalyzing Geffen, King manages to infer a climate, and provide contour to this man's psyche, that would permit a successful man to behave, at times, with such impunity and disregard for the well being of others. The question at the core of this existential puzzle is: Why would a self-made man with everything do more harm than good? In this book Spielberg is portrayed as a man at the opposite end of the spectrum: a man who is grateful for his success, indebted to the people who helped him achieve it, satisfied with the money he has made, and eager to give something in return.

The richer Geffen became, the more good he did, but it is confounding that he hurt so many people in the process, not because they offended him personally but because they sought to be as good at dealmaking as he was. Geffen's most disturbing trait as relayed in this book is his willingness to sabotage the careers of others by manufacturing toxic and unfounded rumors. What is touching is that Geffen seems at points to realize that his best traits are undermined by his worst traits--greed and a vengeful spirit--but seems at a loss to change his behavior. There is a move towards redemption in the final portion of this book, but it is hard to gauge its sincerity.

King is a spectacular journalist and I hope he writes more biographies. My only criticisms are that 1) the last fifth of this long book is the weakest portion, not owing to King's prose but simply to the fact that that Geffen's life became less interesting after he sold Geffen, and 2) the book feels as if large sections of the manuscript were omitted, perhaps for legal or length reasons. I would love to see what King left on the cutting room floor.

The story of David Geffen is not yet finished and, like Michael Milken, his third act could be a spectacular feat of personal redemption. I think this book sits alongside "Wired," "Outrageous Conduct" and "High Concept" as a truly important book about a watershed but ultimately frightening period for Hollywood.
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 What Makes David Run?, September 3, 2002 By    sweetmolly (RICHMOND, VA USA) - See all my reviews

This review is from: The Operator: David Geffen Builds, Buys, and Sells the New Hollywood (Paperback)
This excellent biography well researched and beautifully written has but one flaw: the subject. David Geffen is so contradictory, no matter how much information about him is amassed; we are still baffled. In keeping with the rest of his personality, I understand this book was "partially" authorized. That is, when Mr. King began the project, DG was forthcoming and enthusiastic, only to totally reverse himself later on and be bitterly opposed to the undertaking.

David Geffen is a poster boy for ADD. He is frenetically active, but with a remarkably short attention span. He disliked school because it wasted his time. He can be a caring friend or an implacable enemy. He can be embarrassing intimate with almost complete strangers, yet distant as a north star toward his own family. He has lived a gay promiscuous life, yet fell hard for Cher and wanted to marry her. Easy going Cher recognized him as a "controller" and walked away. He shows great generosity personally and publicly; yet hasn't a qualm about financially ruining friend and foe alike for a perceived slight, and sometimes just for the hell of it.

No matter how much you thank your lucky stars that you never, ever have to do business with David Geffen, you cannot help but be awestruck at his genius as a businessman, visualizer and strategist. He is beyond compare, and in spite of Mr. King's admirable dissecting of various business deals, it is impossible to follow Geffen's leap of ideas and creativity to make things happen.

In spite of David Geffen's striving for the most money, the best deal, and the top of the financial ladder, I would not call him a materialistic man. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't feel an emotional bond to his beautiful artwork and homes. Name him a good price and he will sell it to you--as is. He has never had a sustained relationship, and now going on his 60th year, he has everything but someone to leave it to.

"The Operator" is a meticulous undertaking, and Mr. King has an easy writing style that is very balanced toward his multi-sided subject. I will look for other books by this author. A very enjoyable read.
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