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« Reply #1120 on: September 23, 2009, 04:43:33 PM »

ewww   Undecided   Cheesy Cheesy

Hey I don't see you coming up with money making ideas,my talents are wasted here  Cheesy


Another example of Irish MSM bias  Roll Eyes


Higgins accuses the Church of ignoring arms issues in treaty
Irish Independent
23 September 2009




SOCIALIST MEP Joe Higgins last night accused the Catholic Church of ignoring the arms and weapons issues contained in the Lisbon Treaty while people starved around the world.

Mr Higgins said that Christian organisations, including the Catholic Church, were not asking questions about the EU's military agenda while, at the same time, it was telling people to "love their fellow man".

"I'm not looking for direction from the Catholic Church. It is puzzling that it wouldn't raise the issue of armaments.

"To have a major economic power bloc blatantly providing for more criminal wastage of resources on weapons of massive destruction in the face of massive poverty and destitution on our globe should surely be a cause for strenuous objection," he said.

Mr Higgins joined other anti-war organisations yesterday, including the Peace and Neutrality Alliance, to promote a 'No' vote in the Lisbon referendum.

They argue that the EU armaments industry is given a formal place in the Lisbon Treaty.

The role of the European Defence Agency (EDA) is essentially to co-ordinate the armaments industry in the EU, making it an integral part of EU operations, they said.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church last night refused to clarify its official position on the Lisbon Treaty.

An Irish Bishop's Conference statement issued on Monday night said that Catholics were free in conscience to vote 'Yes' or 'No' on October 2.




But doubts persist as to whether the Irish will go along with the wishes of the EU core states and approve the Lisbon Treaty in the re-run referendum. Berlin is therefore intensifying its direct pressure. Most recently, the President of the European Parliament, Hans-Gert Poettering (German CDU) visited Dublin to seek - together with Irish parliamentarians - an approach for a retroactive correction of the Irish majority decision. Poettering also intervened at a conference of Irish Bishops. This is very significant because the Catholic Church enjoys wide influence in Ireland. "The EU is applying pressure on Irish Bishops" reported Radio Vatican with rare candor thereafter. The clergy is being asked to "support the EU Lisbon Treaty." Radio Vatican reported that the CDU politician is hoping that "if the treaty is put to the vote again in the Irish Republic, this time it could suffice for a 'Yes,' thanks to the support of the church."[3]




One of the Ireland's senior bishops on European affairs has said Catholics have no reason to vote No in the Lisbon Treaty referendum on religious or ethical grounds.

Bishop Noel Treanor told an Oireachtas Committee today that he can unequivocally state that a Catholic can vote Yes in good conscience.

Bishop Treanor is the Irish Bishops' Conference Representative to the Commission of the Bishops' Conferences of the European Community.

Bishop Treanor also said that the Lisbon Treaty does not alter the legal position of abortion in Ireland.

He said there are some organisations that are giving out misleading and inaccurate information on the treaty.

He said none of them speak on behalf of the Catholic Church.

A group from the No side has called for public debate on the Lisbon Treaty.






PROTESTANT CHURCHES have been criticised for being “so clearly partisan” in their Monday statement on the referendum.

Rev Ian Ellis, editor of the Church of Ireland Gazette, told The Irish Times yesterday he was “surprised that the Protestant joint statement is so clearly partisan, effectively calling for a Yes vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum. By contrast, the statement from the Catholic bishops is fair in that the bishops explicitly state that they do not seek to align themselves with either side”.

However, he described comments on the treaty by the Catholic Bishop of Down and Connor, Dr Noel Treanor, as “quite astounding”.

“Many people are rightly concerned about the future of national sovereignty under Lisbon, and that clearly can have religious and ethical implications.

“This has been illustrated by a report in the very reputable Irish Medical News that the Lisbon Treaty, by adopting the Fundamental Charter for Human Rights, would give further weight before the courts to the provision contained in the European Convention of Human Rights allowing for the confining of alcoholics and drug addicts.”

He added:“The Irish Medical News reports that it has established that this provision in fact contravenes the Mental Health Act of 2001. This is a matter of the utmost ethical concern. Bishop Treanor’s dismissal of any religious or ethical considerations in relation to the Lisbon Treaty referendum shows a very unexpected lack of awareness of such implications and is quite astounding.”

Rev Ellis was referring to a report in the Irish Medical News which quoted a consultant psychiatrist, Dr Seán Ó Dómhnaill, as saying that “more than 715,000 Irish people could be involuntarily detained under a provision in the Lisbon Treaty allowing alcoholics and drug addicts to be confined,which contravenes the Mental Health Act 2001”.
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« Reply #1121 on: September 23, 2009, 06:26:07 PM »

People that have been following this thread may have gotten the impression I dislike Pat Cox...well the truth is, I do  Wink



Fantastic Mr. Cox and Friends
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/94173
23 September 2009




American Rightwingers, Astroturfers, Pharmaceutical Companies, Irish Developers, Influence Peddlers and More...

    There are about 6 stories to Pat Cox: the Public Pat, Pat the Builder (aka the Eastern Adventurer), Dr. Cox - Medicine Man, Our Friend in Washington, the Cox Crusader, and lastly, Forty-Hat Pat. Let's meet them all.

Fantastic Mr. Cox and Friends:

So far, we have all seen a basic, well airbrushed, glamour picture of Pat Cox: there are the resume fillers of the family man, the Irish and European politician - nay, statesman even - and the lobbyist for Michelin, Microsoft and others [1].

But if we look closer, there are several faces of Pat Cox, one overlapping with the next, but also relatively separate from others - like a series of interlinked Olympic rings. Cox's rich tapestry of political, "pro-bono" and commercial work has up until now remained relatively unappreciated by the general public - this article is just one humble attempt to rectify that injustice.

Unweaving the woven threads into discrete categories, we may see that there are about 6 stories to Pat Cox: the Public Pat, Pat the Builder (aka the Eastern Adventurer), Dr. Cox - Medicine Man, Our Friend in Washington, the Cox Crusader, and lastly, Forty-Hat Pat.

The Public Pat:

There is a fairly standard boilerplate resume that accompanies Pat Cox: the Family Man, MEP from 1989-2004, European Parliament President from 2002-2004, European Movement leader, Smurfit Business School board member [2], that last refuge of politicians - corporate lobbying - and now perhaps a good chance of being a post-Lisbon Commission President.

Although it has been mentioned fairly widely that he has worked for Microsoft, Pfizer and Michelin, it's not really clear when he started with them, what he does - or how he does it. Lobbying is essentially paying a third party to influence the political system (ethically of course!) - although as Mr. Cox would put it, it is really about meeting industry stakeholders on behalf of clients to "help shape the telling of the story". [3]

We do know some specifics from the Financial Times: that from May 2005 to 2009 for example, Cox has served as Independent Member of the Supervisory Board of Michelin SCA (Compagnie Generale des Etablissements Michelin SCA) - and that he is also Member of the Company's Remuneration Committee - which presumably decides who gets paid what. [4]

Eastern Promise, and to Russia with Love - Pat the Builder:

Mr. Cox is often praised for his pro-bono work, and rightfully so. And it would perhaps be a trifle bolshie to begrudge him networking opportunities based on such. Nonetheless, one has to admire the manner in which he seems to have consistently leveraged his charity work into paid employment and broadened financial opportunities.

In March of 2004, for example, Pat joined a kind of diplomacy-Thunderbirds team at "International Crisis Group", with suitably jet-setting offices in Washington, the EU - and Moscow. [5][6]
There he joined his fellow namesake - and fellow Anglosphere Liberal - Paddy Ashdown, who of course had previous political management experience in the Balkans (and even hands-on conflict management, so-to-speak, in Northern Ireland some time before that).

In October of 2004, Pat said that the EU's enlargement to 25 members was an "investment in solidarity." [7] In July of 2005, he made a public point of the moral "duty of care" the EU owed to the western Balkans. Within the former Soviet sphere of influence, to be sure, but not so gauche as to impinge on modern Russia's sphere of influence, we are glad to see.

Incidentally, about three months later, his new lobbying partner Dal Col was getting a bit of cash thrown his way to help shape the story of a Moscow-backed Ukrainian Prime Minister Yanukovych [8][9] in the US. Yanukovych's point man Kieslev (an Odessa-born US citizen who ponied up the cash) [10] explained it thus:

    “Our message to [the West] is that the Regions Party program is based on real experience of real business people,” ...
    “We want to build an economy which will reach EU membership through evolutionary steps rather than quick populist programs that will never get executed by [Ukrainian President Viktor] Yushchenko,” ...
    A reporter for Kiev Post added:
    "While Regions [Yanukovych's Group] may not want to spread word throughout its Russian favoring eastern Ukrainian electorate that the bloc supports Ukraine’s “gradual” European Union integration, its Kiselev’s job to spread this message in the West." [11]



By cosmic synchronicity, Pat once again got the chance to network with Paddy Ashdown in July 2007: he joined the EU-Russia Centre [12], with all their good stuff about encouraging social stability and international security in the shared relationships and hinterlands of Europe and Russia, using the best human-rights vocabulary. [13]

Then, about five months later in December of 2007 [14][15], Pat's ship came in, when he was invited to join the board at the memorably-named Tiger Developments (originally formed as joint venture between O'Flynn Construction & Goodbody Stockbrokers in 1999).

At about the same time that Irish roundabouts and country petrol stations had advertisements inviting the public to get in on the ground level with property expos for Romania, Bulgaria, and Spain, this Irish construction firm was doing their bit. As it happened, they had just opened an office in Riga, Latvia, and were seeking to expand into the former Soviet sphere of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States (after having conquered the UK and Germany.)

Pat the Builder with his networking skills and knowledge base of the Wild East, was thus able to practice what he preached about expanding opportunity and stability on the eastern frontier of the EU, by making a - literally - concrete investment in solidarity. Although, if Pat does not record this on his current resumé, it is possible he is just too humble to boast.

We might be forgiven for hoping, also, that the O'Flynn Construction buyout of Tiger shares from their previous Goodbody Stockbroker partners in 2006 - just as we were coming to the height of the Irish property bubble - did no harm at all to either Goodbody's or their private clients involved, whoever they were.

Our Friends in Washington:

Upon Pat's assumption into the European Parliament Presidency, in February 2002 he employed Texan Ross Mandel as an advisor. Mandel was also former Internet and communications advisor to Nouveau Republican billionaire and corporate libertarian Steve Forbes, in his US Presidential bids of 1996 and 2000 (yes, you recognise that name from the magazine). Mandel would later introduce Pat to his other lobbying partner, Bill Dal Col - also a Steve Forbes advisor amongst other things [16] - in their lobbying partnership called European Integration Soutions.

Perhaps it was under his rhetorical influence that in December 2002, that Pat made the velvet-gloved comment that "Sometimes our friends in Washington are heavier handed than the situation might require" regarding Bush II's faux pas at pushing Turkey's accession into the EU [17] (a long-term US strategic interest.)

Then, during Ireland's Presidency of the EU Commission in January 2004, the American Chamber of Commerce in the EU - described as "sort of like our embassy" by the chamber vice president - (and with members such as Microsoft and Pfizer, as well as being the "most effective lobbying force in town" by The Economist [19]), called on the Irish Commission Minister to make the single market "function more effectively" with the upcoming enlargement. [20]

Certainly, Pat cannot be accused of neglecting his own part to play: in June 2004 [21], "AmCham EU" presented Cox with it's very first annual Transatlantic Business Award of the Year. Pat also received a "Polish Business Oscar" in 2003 [22] for promoting Polish business, from their finance minister (apparently, it is only one's own country that top EU leaders are not meant to promote.)

At the end of March and beginning of April 2005, Pat was one of two keynote speakers at The Executive Employer Conference, in Phoenix Arizona [23] (the other was that leftie George W. Bush's Secretary of Labour), along with other "top thought leaders", sponsored by the employment and labor law of Littler Mendelson. It was a nice gig, where these bosses of the world united, at "JW Marriott Desert Ridge Resort & Spa, where the world-class facilities and spectacular setting provide unparalleled opportunities to relax and network with your peers and senior Littler attorneys". They even had a highlight called "A Night in Casablanca, Dinner and Intrigue Under the Desert Stars." Zoww-wee!

Pat is obviously a safe pair of hands, and maybe even a fount of key information, as far as certain American and international elements are concerned. In July 2006 [24] he became senior counselor to APCO Worldwide international advisory council [25]. With APCO he also palled around with the founder director of the US Transportation Security Agency (formerly director of US Secret Service), along with the former national security advisor to Ronald Reagan, amongst others (such as key Bush II Neoconservative, Elliott Abrams [26]). They were later even joined in the fun by the former head of the Israeli Security Agency. [27]

APCO Worldwide is a "global communication consultancy" specializing in "influencing decisionmakers and shaping public opinion by crafting compelling messages and recruiting effective allies" according to SourceWatch's references. That sounds comfortingly familiar. Although, according to SourceWatch, APCO "was founded by the law firm of Arnold & Porter, one of Washington D.C.'s largest law firms, also well known as a tobacco industry law firm." In addition, "APCO specializes in helping corporations advance their goals by manipulating legislators, and drafting and advancing model legislation and regulations. Key tools... include the creation of business coalitions and fake, corporate-funded "grassroots" groups tailored to specific issues." This included, for example, Philip Morris hiring "APCO to organize the front group TASSC (The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition) in October, 1993 to help fight public health efforts to control Environmental Tobacco Smoke that occurred in the wake of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's ruling that secondhand tobacco smoke was a Group A human carcinogen." It also includes work for Indonesia in cuddling up to the US. It's also a member of a group called Friends of Europe. [28]

Last - and certainly not least - in September last year (2008), there was mention of Pat being on the Advisory Board of an outfit called World Growth, founded by one Alan Oxley, which purports to be a "non-profit, non-governmental organization established to bring balance to the debate over trade, globalization, and sustainable development...". [29] Presumably, this would be balance in one particular direction - Oxley is also the founder of International Trade Strategies Pty Ltd, which advises cuddly governments like that of Indonesia on things like getting their banking issues in proper order. [30] Another person mentioned as being on the Advisory Board with Pat? Billionaire and one-time US Republican Presidential candidate, Steve Forbes. [31]

There is no current mention of either Pat or Steve being associated with World Growth.


Dr. Cox, Medicine Man:


Not content to merely help rebuild Eastern Europe in the image of the EU, or fight the good fight for the little guy, Pat is also on the side of the Healers of this world.

In September 2004 he became a trustee of Friends of Europe [32] - roguishly described as a "corporate front group" by Corporate Observatory Europe - which helps to shape the story of the EU. It's sponsor members include: Pfizer - the world's largest drug company - and Microsoft (both members of the American Chamber of Commerce in the EU, which gave Pat the brand new prize barely three months before this, if you remember), the European Commission, and APCO Worldwide (which hired him later, too). [33][34]

Next year, in October 2005, he became Chairman of Initiative for Sustainable Healthcare Financing in Europe (ISHFE). This invitation-only conference was not only endorsed by the Ministry of Health of Luxembourg, and hosted by the European Investment Bank; coincidentally, it was also organised in collaboration with the global healthcare company Pfizer, Inc., who also had a non-voting board member.

It is not entirely clear, but it may also have been in 2005 that fortune shined doubly on Pat, becoming a paid lobbyist for Pfizer. That's when he launched his European Integration Solutions lobbying vehicle (and his Irish registered CAPA Ltd. it seems)

Then, in Feb 2007, Pat was not only Moderator of the Initiative for Sustainable Healthcare Financing in Europe, but gave his name to the four-in-one Cox Report issued by same. ISHFE was this time hosted in Helsinki & Strasbourg, and again sponsored by Pfizer. [35]

The Irish Examiner reported the following:

    "Research by a range of medical and economic bodies, including the World Bank, for the report suggested that Europe’s ageing population would not be the major influence on how much Europe spends on healthcare in the future.
    "The report points out that in Europe generally, how much a person costs the health service does not depend on their age as much as on how close to death they are.
    “'New technology, including new forms of drugs, will be the main increased cost facing Europe’s healthcare services in the future,' Mr Cox said." [36]



Although, if we presume that Cox was working at this time to shape the story of Pfizer - the world's largest drug company - at the same time he was impartially moderating a pan-EU healthcare financing forum in which drugs were declared to be the key expense, this seems to have publicly gone unreported.

Two years later in February 2009 [37] - under auspices of Czech Presidency of EU, no less - Pat's name again graced ISHFE's sequel: Cox Report 2 ("the future of health technology assessment (HTA) in Europe"). Again, Pat's work for Pfizer - the fact that Pfizer not only had a public non-voting member, but that seemingly the chairmanship of the board was in the hands of one of it's paid lobbyists - seems to have gone unlauded.

In September 2009 Pfizer made something of a boo-boo, however, having to pay a record-setting fine to avoid prosecution for illegally promoting certain drugs in the unappreciative USA.

After all their selfless work in promoting the right kind of responsible healthcare spending by governments in the EU, we're glad that they have capable people like Pat on their side to shape their story here at least.


Fantastic Mr. Cox and the Cox Crusaders - European Integration Solutions:


Philanthropist and statesman, Pat decided to develop a semi-secret identity and base of operations as a way to earn some butter and bread while fighting the good fight as Patman - Dark Knight-for-hire - for set-upon goodguys and defenceless innocents such as Pfizer and Microsoft. Possibly in late 2004, Pat's new pet project of European Integration Solutions - with the ink still wet on the drawing board - apparently got it's first customer in the form of European Information and Communications Technology Industry Association (EICTA - a member of which is Microsoft - but we don't know when Pat/EIS became a lobbyist for Microsoft specifically).

Pat is very big on the knowledge economy, and freeing it up - from anti-monopoly laws, not "free" as in actual money. Himself and Dick Armey - former US Republican House majority leader - railed unsuccessfully against the Open Source Protocol peasants storming the Windows Bastille; it was so "Soviet" said Pat, so "old Europe" said Dick. [38][39][40]

In Sep 2004 the domain name EU-IS.com was registered by Internet whiz Mandel [41]; this is referred to elsewhere as the website and email address base for Pat and EIS. Although the domain is still registered to Mandel [42], the actual site has, alas, disappeared down the memory hole - and someone who designed it apparently inserted code that prevented archival sites and search engines from caching copies of it's pages [43][44], so we may never fully know the ways of the Dark Knight. Tragically, like some expunged heretical creed, all we have are snippets of, and references to it from a scattering of other sources. [45][46][47]

In April of 2005 "Europe came to K-Street, to invite K-Street to Europe". K-Street is regarded as the physical centre of Washington D.C.'s lobbying industry, with the incestuously cosy insider feel in America of, say, "Dublin 4" in Ireland. Pat, Mandel and Dal Col did 20 meetings in four days, to promote EIS as a lobbying force in the EU on consumer issues, despite not even having leased office space in DC yet. [48]

Like the best superheroes, Fantastic Mr. Cox - has sidekicks with interesting backstories. The Cox Crusader's of the EIS Patcave (is it a moveable base? is it a Patmobile?) which is to say the founding and sole partners (that we know of) - are Pat, Dal Col and Mandel.


In addition to that interesting material already covered, here is some more:


Bill Dal Col - aka "Billy D" from the 'hood, "Hired Gun" & "Insiders' Insider":

[Bill Dal Col] [49]

Resembling "a 15th century monk in a Renaissance painting," he has been a Republican strategist, [50][51][52] favourite of leading Republican Jack Kemp [53] and head of Reagonomics-oriented Empower America think tank (linked with seven Steve Forbes' Presidential campaign leaders ). Also known as a "hired gun", [54] a "Washington insider", and even an "Insiders' Insider" [55]. He was not only Steve Forbes' campaign wing-man, but friend - Forbes was the one who originally referenced him to Kemp. Once a local Republican politician (a thankless job) known as "Billy D" in his Long Island, New York neighbourhood [56], and later a senatorial campaign manager against Hillary Clinton. [57] This last collective effort was referred to, perhaps uncharitably, as "disastrous". [58]

In November 2004, Pat's new American best-friend in the lobbying business - still working with his own state-side Potomac Communications Strategies lobbying venture [59] - received US$40,000 to organise an op-ed and press breakfast for Moscow-favoured Ukrainian PM Yanukovych.

Dal Col was also a donator to DCI PAC [60][61][62] (in the US, a Political Action Committee is in theory to dispense funds [62] political programs rather than on partisan bases).

DCI PAC is associated with the lobbyist DCI Group - "one of the largest independently owned public affairs companies in the United States." They were involved in something of a scandal while working within the McCain Presidental Campaign at one point, since they like Dal Col's Potomac were also receiving funds from Yanukovych - a Kremlin-backed opponent of the McCain camp's "Orange-Revolution" favourites. [63] The funding for foreign consultants created a stir in Ukraine too. [64][65]

Presumably, Dal Col's earlier and smaller contributions to the McCain camp were not sent back because of any of this - since his later, and larger, donation was acccepted. And hopefully, Yanukovych's desire to tell the West his wish for gradual integration to the EU eased the conscience for our fellow.

DCI Group also "has close ties to Karl Rove, Bush's longtime political strategist," [66] one of the most notorious men in US spin-doctoring. Rove is the man who - during Bush II's competition with decorated war veteran John McCain for the 2000 Republican nomination - mounted a vicious campaign to spread a rumour that McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock. [67] McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh with darker skin. It worked.

Doug Davenport, as one of DCI Group's founders "helped build and manage a 50 state grassroots network of political and policy experts to execute large scale public policy campaigns on behalf of the firm's Fortune 500 clients". He also was " a founding member of DCI's federal Campaign Political Action Committee (DCI PAC)." DCI Group's clients include Exxon Mobil, and PhRMA (Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America). [68][69][70] It "represents the country’s leading pharmaceutical research and biotechnology companies."

Such as, of course, Pfizer Inc.

Pat's lobbying partner Dal Col is also friendly towards other American interest groups. Last year - from February to October 2008 - Dal Col contributed substantially to two Republican Senate and Congress contenders, a much lesser amount of to yet another Republican, then a chunk to Rudy Giuliani, the unfortunate John McCain, and of course to DCI PAC (see timeline below). [61]

Dal Col, as well as being a giver, was also a public media apologist for the disastrous Iraq War launched by George W. Bush - rolling his eyes on television at even the suggestion of a faulty casus bellum offered for it. [71] Definitely not an old-style conservative in the manner of Pat Buchanan - a political and intellectual opponent of Forbes. [72] Presumably this defence and his donation [73] made up for the time when he "trashed" Bush II's campaign via the New York Times in 2000. He's also a Facebook fan of Jeb "Florida Recount" Bush. [74]

His own pet state-side lobbying project is Potomac Communications Strategies - although it's not quite clear whether he is the President of, or just consultant for it, or both. Incidentally, Potomac's registration number is 5588 under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). FARA requires all entities lobbying for foreign entities in the US to register this officially, under pain of criminal sanction; [75] a state of affairs considerably less world-wise presumably than our own EU voluntary register, which both Patman and the gang at the EIS Patcave - amongst many, many others - have scrupulously avoided so far.


The Texas Kid: Ross Mandel - Corporate Astroturfers & Rightwing Teabaggers


[Ross Mandel][76]

We know he ran the Internet campaign for and contributed to Steve Forbes. [77] He is the CEO of Human Capital Advisors, Limited Liability Corporation, Texas. [78] He's created some genuinely innovative and creative investing vehicles [79], and advises on similar matters to others.

We know he became an advisor to Pat near the start of his European Parliament Presidency, but not what he advised on, or how he was introduced.

He was on the Board of Advisors of Townhall.com [80] - a US media spinoff and political rallying point of of the corporate libertarian/right-wing Heritage Foundation.

Mandel has also been an active member of Freedom Works, which has been described as a "notorious rightwing advocacy group... a powerful PR organization headed by former Republican House Majority leader Dick Armey and funded by Koch [family] money." You remember Dick "old Europe" Armey of course - he was on the side of Pat, Microsoft and Apple Pie.

The Koch family in turn have been described - from the same admittedly hostile source - as "some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced... the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society." [81]

For those unfamiliar with the John Birch Society: a previous leader once described the commanding General of the victorious Allied forces in Europe during World War II, and later Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower as: a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy." [82]

Furthermore, "Koch’s Freedom Works mega-beast... Freedomworks.org has drawn fire in the past for using fake grassroots internet campaigns, called “astroturfing,” to push for pet Koch projects such as privatizing social security" ("astroturf" is a common synthetic substitute for grass in US field sports). It has been funded by recreational drug-peddlers Philip Morris, and in a previous incarnation by MetLife, a major insurance company. You remember Philip Morris - they hired Pat's APCO friends for astroturfing too.

This organisation's network of friends has recently been linked to those high-profile Teaparty/Teabagging and Townhall "astroturf" protests against that notorious Communist conspiracy called Public Healthcare in the US. [83][84]

Phew - we're just glad this Texas Kid is on our guy's side!


Forty-Hats Pat, and his race to the top:


Of course it's a rhetorical flourish to say that Pat wears forty hats in terms of how many jobs he has - we don't actually know how many jobs he has.

Sometimes in his enthusiasm, Pat seems to get his job methodology mixed up. As when he repeatedly talks about "selling" a treaty or entire Constitution [85][86] - as in: "If we [the politicians] can agree it, we can sell it [to the public]".

We do know that what those naive, wimpy and idealistic Americans call "Conflict of Interest" and "Full Disclosure" in politics and lobbying industries seems to be refreshingly unrestrictive, or at least ruggedly individualistic in the EU - you can register publicly as a lobbyist if you feel like it, and many like Pat just don't feel like it. [87]

Despite being described as a firm operating in DC and Brussels (and Dallas) [88], no apparent record of EIM [89] was found in Washington DC [90], Belgian [91], or Irish [92] company registers online as of August 2009. We haven't checked the county registers in Dallas or Denton, but do hope that they at least got the office in Washington.

At least Pat's other apparent vehicle, CAPA Ltd. (Cork), seems to show up in the Irish Company Registry Office around 2005 - although we're not actually sure what that does either, and no website exists for it.

EIM allegedly had an office in what was apparently a private Brussels apartment, with a Cyprus phone number (how cosmopolitan! [93]).

We are heartened that at least EIM's objective of lobbying the EU on consumer issues on behalf of US companies and others, has in no way prevented Pat from becoming the EU Commissioner on Consumer Affairs' "Special Adviser". Again, we don't know what what this actually means, what advice Pat will be giving, and how he separates this hat from his others without getting them all mixed up, and how everyone is held accountable either way.

If she asks him a question about how big companies operate, for example, does he have to interview himself in front of a mirror? Does he get to refuse to answer certain questions posed by himself? And in his work with major members of the American Chamber of Commerce, how does he decide to share about what she is up to - maybe each hemisphere of his brain compartmentalises each job? And if he can't share the details of either job with the other - what exactly does he get paid for? It's all very sophisticated.

It's nice too, that he and his various hats are not befuddled by being both impartial moderator and co-imprimator - along with governments and international institutions - of pan-European healthcare finance, while at the same time being storyteller for the world's largest drug company.

It's good of him to donate his time to campaigning for Irish referenda to get the right answer - and we hope he hasn't been too affected by the second-hand smoke, if you will, from any American rightwing astroturf pard'ners. [94]

And thank God that at least we are not in the Politically Correct USA, where someone might "make a Federal case out of it" all, so-to-speak.

It's also good to see that since Fantastic Mr. Cox's public pronouncements on the necessity of transparency and accountability [95], and previous actions from the high ground (he once participated vociferously in recalling a previous European Commission on grounds of financial hanky-panky), Europe knows he is a sound man and safe pair of hands too (not just the American and Israeli security agency types). Obviously it is out of line for us to demand him to conform to the highest standards of transparency and accountability, by declaring all his professional, commercial, political, personal and "pro-bono" interests and sympathies publicly - both past and present.

That sort of indignity is best reserved for the "No"-siders surely.


With the 2004 Charlemagne Prize given to Pat, they had this say:


    "This liberal Irishman is possessor of three key qualities: transparency, a popular touch and a pragmatic approach to politics. He demands that the other institutions and organs of the Union should demonstrate the same qualities. On the presentation to the Thessaloniki European Council of the draft constitution of the Convention, he made the following ringing declaration:

    'Having the Treaty agreed well before the next European elections is important. Our citizens have the right to know what they are voting for..." [96]



Indeed.

And a pity we can't actually vote for this transparent, popular, and pragmatic thought leader as our next Commission President - but we're sure they'll choose a safe pair of hands.

And, lest anyone cast aspersions on poor Pat, he did suspend his leadership in the European Movement during the Lisbon II campaign. Bless his heart!

=============== Fantastic Mr. Cox and Friends: Timeline===============

1989-2004: Pat Cox MEP
1993-1996: Bill Dal Col a US "Republican strategist" heads Empower America think tank;
1996 & 2000: Bill Dal Col "hired gun", is twice Presidential campaign manager for (and friend of) Republican Steve Forbes;
Also 2000 Manager for "disastrous" NY Republican senate campaign against Hillary Clinton;
Ross Mandel Chairman of the Technology and Internet Committee of Steve Forbes Presidential Campaigns.
1999: Tiger Developments formed as joint venture between O'Flynn Construction & Goodbody Stockbrokers;
Primarily involved in UK and Irish markets at first;
2002-2004: Pat Cox EP President
Feb 2002: Ross Mandel, CEO of Human Capital Advisors, is advisor to Cox as EP President; active member of right-wing Koch family sponsored Freedomworks; on the Board of Advisors of Townhall.com, a spin-off of The Heritage Foundation. Mr. Mandel also advises several public and private companies.
Dec 2002: Cox: "Sometimes our friends in Washington are heavier handed than the situation might require" re: Turkey
Jan 2003: Bill Dal Col, publicly a "Republican strategist", and also President of Potomac Communications Strategies,
is a media apologist for Bush's disastrous Iraq campaign and highly questionable casus bellum
Dec 2003: Cox gets Polish Business Oscar
Jan-Mar 2004: William Dal Col donates $1,000 to Presidential elections for George W. Bush
Jan 2004: AmCham EU calls on Irish Commission Presidency to:
Make single market function more effectively with upcoming enlargement;
Mar 2004-2009: International Crisis Group, Cox elected in Dublin meeting as Member of the Board of Trustees "pro-bono";
"ICG's international headquarters are in Brussels, with advocacy offices in Washington DC, New York, London and Moscow. In addition, ICG's field analysts work in over 40 crisis-affected countries and territories."
in ICG Joins Paddy Ashdown, former leader UK Liberal Democrats, and
EU High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina from 2002 until 2006
May 2004: International Charlemagne Prize, Aachen
Jun 2004: American Chamber of Commerce to the EU:
Presents Cox with inaugural Transatlantic Business Award of the Year
Sep 2004-2009: Listed as Trustee of Friends of Europe, (co-sponsored by Pfizer, Microsoft, APCO, European Commission; also Security & Defence Agenda (SDA), Shell International);
"an open forum for debate among EU and national policymakers, NGOs, business leaders, the media and civil society" (Friends of Europe) or
"a corporate front group" (Corporate Europe Observatory);
Sep 2004-2012: EU-IS.COM registered by Human Capital Advisors LLC Texas, administered by Mandel, Ross, Texas;
Oct 2004: Cox: EU's enlargement to 25 members is an "investment in solidarity".
Nov 2004: Potomac Communications Strategies, Inс, registration no. 5588 - Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)
“task was to provide media advice and to prepare an ‘op-ed’ piece”, arranging a press breakfast;
$ 40,000 to do it from an ”independent observer” Odessa born, US citizen Alex Kiselev; economic advisor on economic integration; go-between for PR firms in US, for Ukraine’s Russia-leaning Prime Minister Yanukovych;
Davis Manafort, of DCI Group, causes controversy while campaigning for McCain because of similar subcontracting of lobbying for the Kremlin-favoured Yanukovych, whose opponents were supported by McCain; DCI Group also has a Political Action Committee for distributing funds to politicians - DCI PAC, to which Bill Dal Col contributes;
2004?-2009: European Integration Solutions, "a Washington DC - Brussels based transatlantic consulting firm".
"patcox@eu-is.com"; lobbies EU on consumer issues;
Cox is Managing Partner/Chairman and Managing Director (CEO);
"Late" 2004: 1st major client: European Information and Communications Technology Industry Association (EICTA);
Apr 2005: "Europe came to K Street last week to invite K Street to Europe."
Cox with his two American partners, Bill Dal Col - who was introduced by the other, Ross Mandel;
do 20 meetings in four days, sign lease for DC office space, although EIS not yet formally launched;
Dal Col "consults" for Potomac Communications Strategies;
APCO: "A lot of our clients are looking to build strong relationships with decision-makers across the parliament and commission";
May 2005-2009: Michelin SCA (Compagnie Generale des Etablissements Michelin SCA);
Cox serves as Independent Member of the Supervisory Board,
also Member of the Company's Remuneration Committee;
Oct 2005: Initiative for Sustainable Healthcare Financing in Europe (ISHFE);
one-day invitation-only Conference on Financing Sustainable Healthcare in Europe. Endorsed by the Ministry of Health of Luxembourg, and hosted by the European Investment Bank, it was organised in collaboration with the global healthcare company Pfizer, Inc.
Pat Cox (Chairman) European Movement;
Jack Watters Vice President, Pfizer, Inc., New York (non-voting)
Mar 2005: CAPA Ltd founded (Number 397328, last report due - 04/08/2009) Cork, Ireland
Mar/Apr 2005: The Executive Employer Conference Phoenix, AZ;
Cox is one of two keynote speakers, the other is President George W. Bush's Secretary of Labour;
2005?-2009: Microsoft lobbyist
2005?-2009: Pfizer lobbyist
Jul 2005: Says Europe is better off without proposed software patent directive,
Says he would vote against it even if as elected representative rather than as EICTA lobbyist; also says:
Brussels has "duty of care" toward western Balkans, promoting stability through the accession process
Dec 2005: European Movement International elects him as President
2006: O'Flynn Construction completes purchase of outstanding equity in Tiger Developments owned by private Goodbody clients []
July 2006: APCO Worldwide’s International Advisory Council hires Cox as a senior counselor;
He joins John Magaw, founding director of Transportation Security Administration, former director of U.S. Secret Service; and Richard Allen, former national security adviser to President Reagan.
Sep 2008: joined by Doron Bergerbest-Eilon, founder, president and chief executive officer of comprehensive security consulting firm ASERO Worldwide, former head of the protection and security division and the most senior-ranking security official of the Israeli Security Agency (ISA);
Feb 2007: Initiative for Sustainable Healthcare Financing in Europe (ISHFE) 4 Reports in one; Cox Moderator & "Cox Report", Helsinki & Strasbourg, ISHFE sponsored by Pfizer;
July 2007-2009: EU-Russia Centre, Cox is Founding member and "Honorary Vice-President",
with Paddy Ashdown, President.
"an independent information and expertise resource for anyone interested in modern Russia, its democratic status and the future of EU-Russia relations.
It seeks to promote closer ties between the EU and Russia, to develop ideas about the future of the relationship, and to ensure that both sides adhere to international standards concerning the key elements of a civil society such as democracy, civil liberties and an independent judiciary."
Dec 2007: Tiger Developments - Cox joins, is Director of;
Already established in Germany;
Have recently opened office in Latvia, in pursuit of Baltic, former Soviet, eastern EU "neighbouring states" expansion
Feb-Oct 2008: Dal Col, William (A.) as "Potomac Comm. Str." - "P", "Pres." or "Consultant", donates:
$2,000 between two Republican contenders for US Congress and Senate (Feb);
$4,600 to Republican Rudy Giuliani (Sep)
$4,600 to Republican John McCain 2008 Inc. (Sep)
$5,000 to DCI PAC (Oct)

?-Sep 2008-?: Cox is allegedly on Advisory Board of World Growth, along with Steve Forbes;
Founded by Alan Oxley, described as "non-profit, non-governmental organization established to bring balance to the debate over trade, globalization, and sustainable development..."
Oxley is founder of International Trade Strategies Pty Ltd (ITS Australia), an international lobby/advisory group which has e.g. worked with the Indonesian government in regard to banking reform.
?-2009: Smurfit Graduate Business School at University College Dublin, board member
Feb 2009: Initiative for Sustainable Healthcare Financing in Europe (ISHFE) led by Cox, a Pfizer lobbyist,
with Pfizer Vice President (non-voting) on steering committee, under auspices of Czech Presidency of EU:
Cox Report 2 "Pragmatic Recommendations for Healthcare Policy Makers";
Program of regular meetings/consultations with EU Commission and various member state ministries.
ISHFE still sponsored by Pfizer
2009: EU Consumers Commissioner Meglena Kuneva hires Cox as a Special Adviser;
Cox in the running for Commission President.

===============References================

The Public Pat:

[1] http://www.corporateeurope.org/lobbycracy/content/2009/...ioned
[2] http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:F5whIX8v8egJ:www.s...fox-a
[3] http://euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=19528
[4] markets.ft.com/tearsheets/businessProfile.asp?s=FR:ML

Eastern Promise/Pat the Builder:

[5] http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=2553&l=3
[6] http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1139&l=1
[7] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3474267.stm
[8] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4038803.stm
[9] http://blog.kievukraine.info/2006/03/ukraines-parliamen....html
[10] http://www2.pravda.com.ua/en/news/2004/11/14/4642.htm
[11] http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/24141/
[12] https://www.zoominfo.com/people/Cox_Pat_6210807.aspx
[13] http://www.eu-russiacentre.org/we/people/founding-members
[14] http://oflynngroup.com/press_releases/pat_cox.html
[15] http://www.tigerdevelopments.com/press/20071204.html


Friends in Washington:


[16] http://www.buyingofthepresident.org/index.php/archives/.../658/
[17] http://www.cypriot.org.uk/Documents/Haber/Open-your-gat...s.htm
[18] http://www.eucommittee.be/AboutUs/members.htm
[19] http://www.eucommittee.be/
[20] http://www.eucommittee.be/Press/2004/jan202004.htm
[21] http://www.eucommittee.be/Press/2004/june12004patcoxawa...d.htm
[22] http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache%3AaPsvqL3cZJ0J%3Aw...gl=ie
[23] http://www.reg4.com/home/Samples/littler05/home.asp
[24] http://www.apcoworldwide.com/uk/content/newsroom/press_...6.cfm
[25] http://www.apcoworldwide.com/content/aboutapco/internat....aspx
[26] http://www.apcoworldwide.com/content/international_advi....aspx
[27] http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page...e=Cox
[28] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=APCO_Worldwide
[29] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Cox
[30] http://web.archive.org/web/20030201234108/www.tradestra...m.au/
[31] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=World_Growth

Dr. Cox, Medicine Man:

[32] http://www.friendsofeurope.org/Aboutus/Whoweare/Praesid....aspx
[33] http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:vXAsdaFK2BIJ:www.f...fox-a
[34] http://www.friendsofeurope.org/Partners/tabid/516/Defau....aspx
[35] http://www.sustainhealthcare.org/navigation/helsinki.html
[36] http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2007/02/14/story25...5.asp
[37] http://www.sustainhealthcare.org/

The Cox Crusaders:

[38] http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/apr2007/g...index
[39] http://dotnet.sys-con.com/node/359254
[40] http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9836948-16.html
[41] http://www.domaincrawler.com/domains/view/eu-is.org
[42] http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/eu-is.com
[43] http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.eu-is.com/pdf/EIS_WhoWeAre.pdf
[44] http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.eu-is.com/
[45] http://pipl.com/directory/people/Bill/Dal%2520Col
[46] http://www.meas.ie/page.php?intPageID=338
[47] http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:H33L7WynU5EJ:europ...fox-a
This is the html version of the file http://europa.eu/50/docs/programme_070307_en.pdf.
[48] http://www.spinwatch.org.uk/latest-news-mainmenu-10/159...urope

Billy D:

[49] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/jan-june00/hamp....html
[50] http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/05/sm.01.html
[51] http://articles.latimes.com/2005/aug/19/nation/na-prez1...?pg=1
[52] http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/p...x.htm
[53] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/jan-june00/hamp....html
[54] http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/06/10/200....html
[55] http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjcxMzE2MGM2NGU5Nz...5MjQ=
[56] http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,984147....html
[57] http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=lazios_drea...tmare
[58] http://slate.msn.com/?id=1006510
[59] http://www.potomacsolutions.com/
http://www.potomacsolutions.com/newwhat.asp
[60] http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=...lliam
[61] http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/wi...le=08
[62] http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/committees/dci-p...le=08 and information to politicians based on specific
[63] http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/08/mccain_watch_wi_1.php
[64] http://blog.taraskuzio.net/2008/07/07/western-consultan...ties/
[65] http://www.archives.gov.ua/Sections/Ukraineomni/ukrelec...b.htm
[66] http://www.colemanfiles.com/associates/dcigroup
[67] http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080128/banks
[68] http://www.colemanfiles.com/associates/dcigroup
[69] http://www.thetrailblazergroup.com/davenport.html
[70] http://www.thetrailblazergroup.com/about.html
[71] http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0301/23/ltm.06.html
[72] http://www.slate.com/id/1003675/
[73] http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=n...earch
[74] http://www.facebook.com/billdc?_fb_noscript=1
[75] http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fara/

Ross Mandel:

[76] http://www.preclick.com/photogallery/display.php?str_qu...D=46f
[77] http://www.city-data.com/elec2/00/elec-CARROLLTON-TX-00....html
[78] http://www.spoke.com/info/p6QjuPT/RossMandel
[79] http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2007/05/28/st....html
[80] http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page...andel
[81] http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing...ll/1/
[82] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Birch_S...ciety
[83] http://exiledonline.com/washington-post-links-freedomwo...vine/
[84] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...02700

Forty Hats Pat:

[85] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3821305.stm
[86] http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page...e=Cox
[87] http://www.corporateeurope.org/lobbycracy/content/2009/...ilure
[88] http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/01/22/story111...6.asp
[89] http://www.marketvisual.com/de/0c0b6714-07ec-4f7f-ac5c-...t+Cox
[90] http://mblr.dc.gov/corp/lookup/results.asp?algorithm=mt...3E%3E
[91] http://kbo-bce-ps.mineco.fgov.be/ps/kbo_ps/kbo_search.j...st=ST
[92] http://www.cro.ie/search/companyresultse.asp
[93] http://blog.brusselssunshine.eu/2009/06/former-parliame....html
[94] http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_40/b3649019.htm
[95] http://brusselsbubble.blogspot.com/2009/05/mep-turned-l....html
[96] http://www.aachen.de/EN/sb/pr_az/karls_pr/laureates/dec....html
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Raymond Crotty - A Hero of Democracy


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Raymond Crotty is the reason why Ireland is the only country in the 27 nations to have a referendum on Lisbon.

http://www.irishdemocrat.co.uk/greaves-summer-school/individualistic-capitalism/

Anthony Coughlan puts the spotlight on the work of the late Raymond Crotty, whose work on economic and pre-history, and his highly original theory of the origins of capitalism, are attracting growing international interest

Raymond Crotty (1925-94) is probably the most original social scientist to come out of modern Ireland.

It is fit therefore that this year’s Desmond Greaves Summer School in Dublin on 22-23 August should have Professor Lars Mjoset of the University of Oslo and Professor Joe Lee of University College Cork assessing the significance of Crotty’s work for Irish and international economic history.

Raymond Crotty is best known in Ireland for his constitutional action in 1987 against the government’s attempt to ratify the EU’s Single European Act Treaty by simple majority vote in the Dáil instead of by referendum.

The Supreme Court upheld Crotty. People owe it to him therefore that all new EU treaties transferring further slices of sovereignty to Brussels must be put to popular referendum in Ireland. A huge democratic achievement for one public-spirited citizen to bring about.

Because of his anti-establishment views and his advocacy of a land tax as a means of putting pressure on Irish landowners to use their land more productively, Crotty offended powerful Irish interests. That did not encourage a sympathetic reception at home for his views on economics and world history and economics -- a situation which is now changing because of Crotty’s growing reputation internationally.


Crotty’s recent posthumously published book, When Histories Collide: the development and impact of individualistic capitalism (Altamira Press, Rowman and Littlefield Publishers, New York and Oxford, 2001, £35) is the fullest exposition of his theory of world history from the neolithic revolution up to the end of the 20th century.

On the way, he seeks to explain phenomena as diverse as the role of pastoral migrations in early civilisation, India’s sacred cows, the decline of the Roman empire, feudalism, slavery, why Britain became the first industrial country, the patterns of western colonisation, the lack of socio-economic development in the contemporary Third World, and the developmental success of Japan and China.

Internationally renowned sociologist Immanuel Wallerstein of Yale, has called the book “an original and challenging work, unusual and exciting”. Professor Charles Tilly of Columbia University says it gives an “astonishing set of insights into the relations between agriculture and civilisation”.

Crotty expounds in this book what is likely to become known as his ‘lactose intolerance’ theory of civilisation.

Lactose intolerance is a device of nature to expedite weaning and to ensure that mothers, having fed their offspring in infancy, are then set free to re-engage in their natural task of reproduction.

Various peoples around the world are lactose intolerant or malabsorbent; that is, consuming milk after infancy makes them ill. Lactose tolerance is based on a genetic mutation acquired in ancient times by pastoralist peoples, the northern Eurasians, the Arab Bedouin and the Nilo-Hamites of Africa. Without it there would be no modern dairy industry.

Today thousands of years of genetic evolution have resulted in high proportions of adult Africans, Europeans and Indians being able to consume milk -- they are lactose tolerant. On the other hand, nearly all adult east and south east Asians and indigenous Americans have a repugnance to milk -- they are lactose intolerant.

In ancient times the acquisition of lactose tolerance made it possible for more pastoralists, and therefore more efficient pastoralists, to subsist on given pastoral resources. It shifted the ancient balance of power from the crop-growing, lactose malabsorbent peoples who built the first city civilisations in the valleys of the Tigris, Euphrates, Indus, Nile and Yangtze, toward the pastoralists.

The modern world is one created by the Indo-European pastoralist peoples who, having acquired lactose tolerance, domesticated the horse and discovered metallurgy. Their acquisition of lactose tolerance was the basis of their survival and increased living standards.

They entered western Europe four to five thousand years ago and used their cattle to clear the forest and grow crops. They used capital, in the form of cattle, seeds and implements, to raise their output by their own efforts.

Whereas production in all other societies had been determined by the fixed amount of land or slaves available, neither the amount nor productivity of capital was inherently limited. In Crotty’s view, this was the origin, uniquely in Europe, of capital, individualism and the rule of law.

The rule of law in Europe was the expression of the unique political-economic relationship that existed between the individual and society in a situation where land did not limit production and where the individual’s production sustained himself and simultaneously enhanced the productivity and security of his fellows.

The individual hunter-gatherer, the individual on the communally grazed rather than individually owned pastures of the Asiatic steppes, and in the crowded river valleys of crop-growing ancient society, were powerless to add to productivity by their own efforts. Rather, by their presence they reduced the amount available to all the other members of society.

Echoing Marx, Crotty saw the principal concern of law as the protection of the property that has been the economic basis of law-governed societies.

Crotty’s study of the third world brought home to him that Ireland’s traditional economic problem of high unemployment and emigration had analogies in most former colonies of the European powers.

Here societies organised in communal, non-individualistic ways -- as Ireland had been in the days of the clans and Brehon law -- had had an alien system imposed on them which conflicted profoundly with their traditional way of doings things.

Their indigenous social structures had been ruptured by the externally imposed social structures of ‘individualistic capitalism’, in particular private property in livestock and pasture land, condemning them to permanent ‘undevelopment’.

These former capitalist colonies contrast with two kind of society that either benefited from capitalist colonialism or else escaped colonisation.

The first of these comprised the settler colonies of north America and Australasia, where the indigenous inhabitants were either few in number or were exterminated by European colonists.

The second group comprised the east Asian cultures of China, Japan and the Pacific Rim, as well as Russia, which largely escaped capitalist colonisation and borrowed eclectically from the West, taking what suited them while keeping their own cultures. The east Asian countries have rapidly developed in recent decades and are characterised by forms of collectivist psychology, behaviour and institutions which Crotty was one of the first to draw attention to.


The Failed Modernisation of Ireland in the Late Nineteenth Century

The Irish Land Question and Sectarian Violence
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T Minus 9 Days! Grin
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« Reply #1124 on: September 23, 2009, 09:33:30 PM »

T Minus 9 Days! Grin

8 Days 2 Hours 57 minutes. but hey, who's counting  Cheesy
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8 Days 2 Hours 57 minutes. but hey, who's counting  Cheesy

Guess it depends on where you are. Grin

So do you think we're in for any surpises?
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Guess it depends on where you are. Grin

So do you think we're in for any surpises?

Many surprises  Wink things have been slightly muted in the MSM of late but that will all change pretty soon.A couple of nice surprises this week one being Jim Corr's(Ireland's answer to Charlie Sheen) article getting a really good response,he has gone from being a conspiracy theorist nut job to making a bit of sense. http://www.jimcorr.com/

Then we have the Gael Poll answers on Lisbon2: 59% NO vs. 41% YES,they did a poll last year leading up to the first referendum and got the result spot on,but of course the MSM have not even published the poll themselves,no surprise there then.

The general feeling is that it will be a No once again(I hate posting this in fear of jinxing the result) but I have been spending a lot of time on forums,trying to get a balanced perspective and that is the way I am seeing it too.Like the poll would suggest it will be close again but as it stands its looking it could be defeated,(for another year at least  Cheesy )
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Many surprises  Wink things have been slightly muted in the MSM of late but that will all change pretty soon.A couple of nice surprises this week one being Jim Corr's(Ireland's answer to Charlie Sheen) article getting a really good response,he has gone from being a conspiracy theorist nut job to making a bit of sense. http://www.jimcorr.com/

Then we have the Gael Poll answers on Lisbon2: 59% NO vs. 41% YES,they did a poll last year leading up to the first referendum and got the result spot on,but of course the MSM have not even published the poll themselves,no surprise there then.

The general feeling is that it will be a No once again(I hate posting this in fear of jinxing the result) but I have been spending a lot of time on forums,trying to get a balanced perspective and that is the way I am seeing it too.Like the poll would suggest it will be close again but as it stands its looking it could be defeated, (for another year at least  Cheesy )

Thanks for the analysis. I honestly thought the yes had like a 60-40 advantage so this is great to hear.

as it stands its looking it could be defeated,(for another year at least  Cheesy )

Exactly like the Quebec referendum on sovereignty here: they do a vote, get a no, then tweak their brainwashing until they think it's worth giving another shot.
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Thanks for the analysis. I honestly thought the yes had like a 60-40 advantage so this is great to hear.

as it stands its looking it could be defeated,(for another year at least  Cheesy )

Exactly like the Quebec referendum on sovereignty here: they do a vote, get a no, then tweak their brainwashing until they think it's worth giving another shot.

Exactly,funnily enough this treaty/*cough cough*constitution is the same repackaged,renamed with a little jiggery pokery for good measure that the French and Dutch voted against,and their reward for being bad little Europeans,they didn't get to vote on it again,unlike us of course the heart of Europe(according to the EU,for now muahahahahahahah  Cheesy )we get to do it twice.I mean I know people say "they love the Irish"but this is seriously taking the piss.

So come October 3rd if the No vote is successful, in a year or 2 we might have the "Shiny,Happy,Super, Bumper,Fun Time Treaty with extra Boobies",or something.(Now I might seriously consider voting Yes for that  Cheesy )
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« Reply #1129 on: September 23, 2009, 10:27:11 PM »

Exactly,funnily enough this treaty/*cough cough*constitution is the same repackaged,renamed with a little jiggery pokery for good measure that the French and Dutch voted against,and their reward for being bad little Europeans,they didn't get to vote on it again,unlike us of course the heart of Europe(according to the EU,for now muahahahahahahah  Cheesy )we get to do it twice.I mean I know people say "they love the Irish"but this is seriously taking the piss.

So come October 3rd if the No vote is successful, in a year or 2 we might have the "Shiny,Happy,Super, Bumper,Fun Time Treaty with extra Boobies",or something.(Now I might seriously consider voting Yes for that  Cheesy )

No truer words have been spoken. Boobies can sell anything.
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No truer words have been spoken. Boobies can sell anything.

Yep  Wink Boobies can even sell boobies,wow cosmic  Cheesy
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Yep  Wink Boobies can even sell boobies,wow cosmic  Cheesy

I could talk about boobies all day... BUT, back to Lisbon. Do you actually think the powers that be will tolerate a no vote? I don't, so if they fail to mindf**k half plus one over the next week, surely Ireland is in for a beating.
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I could talk about boobies all day... BUT, back to Lisbon. Do you actually think the powers that be will tolerate a no vote? I don't, so if they fail to mindf**k half plus one over the next week, surely Ireland is in for a beating.

Well on the surface everything will just remain the same and we continue to function like the rest of the 27 countries in the EU under the Nice treaty,but I couldn't honestly say for sure,withdrawing funds ? treating us with contempt?,stealth sanctions to the far more extreme view of a false flag(although I say this is very unlikely,it is definitely in the realms of possibility,Ireland hasn't been attacked by an outside force since the British empire invaded,we could be seen as a legitimate target as a result of our government selling off our neutrality to the Allied forces in their 2 illegal wars that would certainly be a kick in the arse,but as I said this is purely speculation on my behalf.)   

I just wanted to add something else that is not getting as much attention as it should be,but if this treaty is ratified,waiting in the wings to become the EU first new president Tony Blair,regardless of the will he won't game the MSM are playing,I have a strong feeling and it was backed up a little by Ian Crane the other night,that this will be the case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1214945/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Mandelson-Blair-sordid-little-ploy-deny-British-voters-choice-European-superstate.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0922/1224254989201.html

To even consider this war criminal to be EU president is just another reflection of the lack of consideration for individuals rights,whether it be human or otherwise.
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« Reply #1133 on: September 24, 2009, 10:55:21 AM »

French minister urges EU defence budget
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0924/1224255130055.html
24 September 2009




FRENCH EUROPEAN Affairs minister Pierre Lellouche has proposed setting up an EU defence budget similar to the Common Agricultural Policy.

He has also questioned why just three EU member states currently contribute almost two-thirds of all military spending within the union.

“In order to progress with ‘defence Europe’, it should not be that spending linked to security is completely separate from the EU’s financial perspectives,” said Mr Lellouche, in a session with deputies sitting on the European affairs committee at the French National Assembly last week.

He suggested defence spending should be dealt with like spending on other EU priorities such as agriculture, technology or the environment. There was little point in creating the external action force envisaged in the Lisbon Treaty if Europe wasn’t prepared to pay for its own defence.

“Why do three member states contribute up to two-thirds of military expenditures of the 27 member EU?” asked Mr Lellouche.

Britain, France and Germany currently spend about $170 billion of the estimated total of $285 billion on defence activities. Paris has set the goal of building EU common defence as one of its strategic priorities for the union.

There is no legal base in existing treaties or in the Lisbon Treaty for the EU budget to be used for defence or military spending. However, a mid-term review of the EU budget will begin in the coming months, providing an opportunity for EU states to propose changes to how the EU spends money.

Any proposal to use the EU budget, which is financed by all 27 states, for defence spending would require all member states to agree. This is unlikely given that neutral EU states such as Ireland and Austria would probably oppose any such move.

Mr Lellouche also reiterated that France would block future EU enlargement if Ireland votes against the Lisbon Treaty in the referendum on October 2nd.

The Peace and Neutrality Alliance (Pana) said militarisation of the EU would be “substantially accelerated” by the Lisbon Treaty. The group has also called for the immediate withdrawal of Irish soldiers serving in Afghanistan.

“It is no accident that the Irish supporters of the treaty refuse to confirm that Ireland will not join the military structured co-operation group being established for the more ‘demanding’ wars the EU is planning in the future,” said Roger Cole, chairman of Pana, in a statement.
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« Reply #1134 on: September 24, 2009, 08:03:08 PM »

The Last Word Radio Debate-24/9/09

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Well on the surface everything will just remain the same and we continue to function like the rest of the 27 countries in the EU under the Nice treaty,but I couldn't honestly say for sure,withdrawing funds ? treating us with contempt?,stealth sanctions to the far more extreme view of a false flag(although I say this is very unlikely,it is definitely in the realms of possibility,Ireland hasn't been attacked by an outside force since the British empire invaded,we could be seen as a legitimate target as a result of our government selling off our neutrality to the Allied forces in their 2 illegal wars that would certainly be a kick in the arse,but as I said this is purely speculation on my behalf.)   

I just wanted to add something else that is not getting as much attention as it should be,but if this treaty is ratified,waiting in the wings to become the EU first new president Tony Blair,regardless of the will he won't game the MSM are playing,I have a strong feeling and it was backed up a little by Ian Crane the other night,that this will be the case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1214945/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Mandelson-Blair-sordid-little-ploy-deny-British-voters-choice-European-superstate.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0922/1224254989201.html

To even consider this war criminal to be EU president is just another reflection of the lack of consideration for individuals rights,whether it be human or otherwise.

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« Reply #1137 on: September 25, 2009, 02:28:27 PM »

Elvis No 2 Lisbon  Cheesy
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« Reply #1138 on: September 25, 2009, 04:15:01 PM »

Nigel Farage wins Lisbon debate in Dublin

Nigel Farage exposes EU shill
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« Reply #1139 on: September 25, 2009, 05:11:16 PM »

And just to put it into perspective, criminal overlords are upping the ante in their effort to enslave the Irish people once and for all. Is that not the bottom line, Sub-X?

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« Reply #1140 on: September 25, 2009, 05:35:31 PM »

The bottom line is the effort to enslave the whole lot of us,EU is just the first step as we all know.Even those who aren't awake know it but welcome it because they don't understand the true implications.Heres an example posted on another forum :


"In the future eventually all states will be part of a few large blocks like EU, USA etc. Humans lived without countries and states for most of their history and a move to a one world governance will happen and is to be welcomed once it is achieved democratically and enhances humanity, society and the planet in general."



Poor foolish fool  Roll Eyes
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The bottom line is the effort to enslave the whole lot of us,EU is just the first step as we all know.Even those who aren't awake know it but welcome it because they don't understand the true implications.Heres an example posted on another forum :


"In the future eventually all states will be part of a few large blocks like EU, USA etc. Humans lived without countries and states for most of their history and a move to a one world governance will happen and is to be welcomed once it is achieved democratically and enhances humanity, society and the planet in general."



Poor foolish fool  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #1142 on: September 25, 2009, 08:59:35 PM »

Heres one of those surprises you were asking about Freeski  Wink



Support for ratification tragic, says Siptu education president

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0926/1224255280692.html
26 September 2009




THE PRESIDENT of Siptu’s education branch last night described the union’s decision to support the ratification of the treaty as tragic.

Kieran Allen said the union had not consulted with its membership before making the decision and said that it was now on the same side of the debate as employers’ group Ibec, which supported reducing workers’ wages.

Mr Allen said Siptu’s decision to support the treaty, which was in part prompted by a commitment by Labour to legislate on collective bargaining if they were in government, suggested to the Government that the trade union movement was weak and that this was a “very dangerous signal”.

Speaking during a debate on the Lisbon Treaty in Liberty Hall with Siptu general president Jack O’Connor, Mr Allen said the grounds on which Siptu had opted to support the treaty were “entirely spurious” as no legislation on collective bargaining had been presented.

The treaty was a bad deal, Mr Allen said, as it would lead to greater military spending and give the European Court of Justice, which had ruled against workers in the past, extra powers.

In response, Mr O’Connor said the treaty would not create an ideal world he wanted to live in, but rather it was a matter of choosing the best option on the table and that was a Yes vote.

He said the treaty reflected many social democratic values through the introduction of the Charter of Fundamental Rights and multiple social clauses. “It is better to have them enshrined in primary law than not.”

Mr O’Connor said articles 165 and 168 of the treaty make it clear that the responsibility for education and health services would continue to rest with the member states and that privatisation would not be a direct result of Lisbon.

He said the aspects of the treaty relating to defence were of some concern, but that all decisions were based on unanimity and that Ireland had acquired a protocol on defence matters.
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« Reply #1143 on: September 26, 2009, 06:38:15 PM »

Wow, does this mean the union tried to pull a fast one (a lie) on the membership but has been outed? That's a pretty big union so if nothing else this might shift the debate to the nasty parts of Lisbon. Are the unions as fake and corrupt over there as they are here in North America? Probably.
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« Reply #1144 on: September 27, 2009, 06:23:51 AM »

Wow, does this mean the union tried to pull a fast one (a lie) on the membership but has been outed? That's a pretty big union so if nothing else this might shift the debate to the nasty parts of Lisbon. Are the unions as fake and corrupt over there as they are here in North America? Probably.

Yes some of the Irish unions are as corrupt and useless as those in the N.America.

With the polls apparently showing in favour of the Yes side,if this is the out come,we still have a get out of jail free card in the Czechs.


Lisbon support at 55 per cent - poll 27/9/09

Czechs make Irish referendum irrelevant
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The Irish Government and the Irish voters haven't noticed it yet, but what has been happening in the Czech Republic this week will make the October 2nd Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty irrelevant.

   The Irish Government and the Irish ego won't like it. During these past weeks of campaigning, the Irish have allowed themselves to be convinced that the future of Europe depends on their decision.The politicians in Dublin and the rich corporatist lobbyists -- and the propagandists from the European Commission -- who have been running the Yes campaign have been insisting that the Irish overturn their No vote last year, or risk being isolated (and vilified) by other EU states.The voters have been told that a Yes vote is utterly crucial to the 27 member Europe Union. They have been told that is only their wilfully ignorant No vote last year that is holding up Europe.

Errr, not quite. There has also been the problem for the Brussels elite of the independent-minded Czech president, Vaclav Klaus. He has been delaying signing the treaty into law until after Czech elections in November. Now it appears the caretaker government will continue perhaps until as late as June. So Mr Klaus can continue to delay signing the treaty until then -- which is exactly when the general election is due in Britain. And that of course would almost certainly mean a Cameron government and a British referendum on Lisbon.

     Brussels has realised all this since the Czech politicians decided earlier this week to delay the elections. What few have quite grasped, though, is what else is will mean. A new Commission is due to be appointed. The idea has been that, at the European Council meeting at the end of next month, the heads of state and prime ministers would chose a new Commission under the new Lisbon rules because the Irish would have said Yes and Klaus would have been pressured to sign.

    That is clearly out now. The Irish can say Yes more often than Molly Bloom, but Klaus will not sign until next year. So the betting among Brussels insiders is that at the Council will be so fed up when they gather at the end of October that they will appoint a new Commission anyway -- but under the old rules of the Nice Treaty. That is the treaty that the Irish voters have been told over and over must be replaced by the Lisbon Treaty, or the EU institutions will come to a halt.

   The irony is that the number of commissioners was due to be cut under Nice. The Irish negotiated a change in the Lisbon treaty that would ensure they and all other countries would keep their commissioners. Now it looks like, whether the Irish vote Yes to Lisbon or No to Lisbon, the treaty still will not come into force before the next commission is created. It indeed may fall altogether, but not by the Irish showing any courage and standing by their original No vote in last years referendum. It will fall because of the Czechs and maybe Cameron's Tories.

  So Ireland's vote isn't so very important after all. How satisfying that all those corporate lobbyists have been spending their millions to buy an Irish vote that is now near-worthless anyway.
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« Reply #1145 on: September 27, 2009, 06:34:57 AM »

Excellent, still two aces to play for the good guys!
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I wouldn't be putting too much faith into David Cameroon myself,my faith is with the British people who are very patriotic who will settle for nothing less than a referendum.

Its all heating up now,apparently there was a debate this morning on Newstalk radio,between Declan Ganley and Proinsias De Rossa where De Rossa called Ganley a CIA agent and Ganely commenting on De Rossa support for the IRA,and also calling De Rossa a traitor for voting for not respecting the vote of the Irish people.

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« Reply #1147 on: September 27, 2009, 10:09:30 AM »

Same treaty, new threats reveal Brussels' contempt
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Let me answer the first question first. I live in southern England. What has the Irish referendum in just five short days got to do with me and why should my analysis matter a fig?

I can only plead that as the only son of the first son of a man from Youghal, who married an Irish girl, saw his two sons born in Dublin and resided for five years at Enniskerry; I developed and retain a deep affection for the old place.

And it grieves me to see the country and its people in such a mess. Let us not mince words, it is a mess, but I simply do not believe it is a permanent one. More to the point, there is no reason why Ireland and her people should be treated with such contempt.

Contempt? Too strong a word? No, I do not believe so.

You do not lie to people you respect. You only try to browbeat into submission those whom you hold in contempt. That is the only way to describe the treatment afforded to the Irish recently and still being afforded.

I believe you have been lied to by your own politicians (as have also the British), and lied to for years. But is this temporary or are you condemned to be lied to forever? I know of nothing written in the stars that demands the Irish must always elect rogues and liars, when there are good, astute and truthful men and women in Ireland. Next time, maybe things will change. New people, fresh faces, straight arrows. Why not?

Whatever the causes, Ireland's economic position is dire and one does no favours by pretending otherwise. But I ask again: permanent or passing?

I simply do not believe that Ireland is doomed to be in debt forever. It will take time and what another once called blood, sweat, toil and tears. But it will pass. Ireland has a rich terrain, fertile and productive. She has a young generation with among the highest percentages of upscale university degrees in Europe. She had a low-tax economy that brought the foreign investment roaring in. All that was missing was the basic common sense to realise that greed at the top never guarantees prosperity at the bottom for very long. And the greed, alas, trumped the common sense. But that is a blow, not a death sentence.

If the mendacity stems from Dublin, the contempt comes from Brussels. We all know that 15 months ago, the Irish, blessed with a constitution that others would give their eye-teeth for because it makes consultation on vital issues mandatory, were asked for their support for a new EU treaty.

It is not a triviality of a treaty. Dubbed Lisbon, it is the clearest possible replica of the Giscardian EU Constitution already rejected by two founder members of the EU; the French and the Dutch.

It is deliberately written in language so opaque as to be incomprehensible. Brussels-based Dutch Commissioner Karl du Gucht told the European Parliament this month: "People didn't read the Lisbon treaty. They didn't understand the first word of it. This was a deliberate decision of the European Council."

But despite all efforts to make it unreadable, it has indeed been de-ciphered by a group of British academics and rewritten in layman's language. And it is pretty fearsome. No mere tidying-up treaty this. It transfers 105 national competences from Dublin to Brussels and abolishes 40 vetoes -- the right to say, "No, we don't agree."

So last year the Irish, alone among all the peoples of Europe, invoked their constitution and the judges averred they had to be consulted. So they were, and you said: "No, we have grave reservations."

Now you are being forced, at huge expense, to go to the polls

again and reverse your decision. There is a clear message from Brussels here, and it is this: "We have to accept that you are all too dim to get it right first time, so you will damn well do it again, and this time give us the answer we want to hear or we'll make sure you deeply regret it." If that isn't contempt, I need a new dictionary. And I never thought the Irish appreciated being insulted and threatened any more than the next man. Maybe things have changed.

Your own EC Commissioner, Charlie McCreevy, was caught in a moment of blistering honesty. He admitted the Treaty of Lisbon "would be rejected by 95 per cent of the EU member states if they were allowed to hold referenda". That is one hell of a burden. Tiny Ireland is going to the polls with the lopes and fears of hundreds of millions on her shoulders.

And there is not the slightest reason why that, any more than an article by an Englishman, should matter a fig. What might matter is the pride of the Irish. So let me take two further revelations about that treaty.

The President of the EU Commission, Senhor Barroso, said recently and with glee, not humour, that he and his colleagues were building a new empire. That was his word. Now the Brits know a bit about empires. We once ran the biggest the world has ever seen, and hundreds of thousands of Irishmen helped build and administer it.

In an empire only the biggest parts away from the metropolis of it all are called dominions. In the future EU, that would be France and Germany. The smaller parts are simply called colonies and treated as such. That, for Senhor Barroso, is the Ireland of the future.

Odd, when you think about all the struggles and the pain over the centuries for Ireland to become free and remain free, that the descendants of Daniel O'Connell and Padraig Pearse are now being required to end it all. On threat of sanctions if they do not do as they are damned well told. And possessed of an establishment wholly prepared to appease, to capitulate and to bow the knee to the men across the water.

Ah, some might say, but we still have our constitution and the next time we will use our referendum to say: "Thus far but no further." Alas, there will be no next time. Ever.

For what the decoding scholars also found were the ratchet mechanisms. Under the powers vested in Brussels by this document is the right to produce fresh Euro-law, any law they see fit, without any further consultation. As of right. This Lisbon treaty trumps all national laws and all national constitutions, forever.

Now you are being told that there is a bit of stick here but also carrot. Wrong. It is all threat, no carrot. In June last year four great concerns swayed the issue. You have been told these have been amended. You have been lied to. (Again.) Once Ireland is in the bag (permanent) those concerns will be "considered" (temporary). And it will take about 10 minutes to consider them and discard them. Nothing has changed. The document that seeks your obedience next Friday is exactly the same as the one you rejected last year. Only the threats have changed.

There are three conflicting concerns here and they will all be trooping to the polling booths next Friday. For the very few at the top there is the gravy train. It is lush, it is oh-so-comfortable, and it is guaranteed for the holders of high office, so long as it is plain their loyalty lies well east of Dublin. There is the fear; of penalty and sanction, of David with his voting sling taking on the armoured giant called Goliath, the natural timorousness of the little guy standing up to the street bully. And there is the pride; the refusal to be treated with such mendacity and contempt; to be threatened in one's own land, menaced in one's own home.

Greed, fear, pride. These three. And next Saturday noon we shall all know which rules our modern Ireland.
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I wouldn't be putting too much faith into David Cameroon myself,my faith is with the British people who are very patriotic who will settle for nothing less than a referendum.

Its all heating up now,apparently there was a debate this morning on Newstalk radio,between Declan Ganley and Proinsias De Rossa where De Rossa called Ganley a CIA agent and Ganely commenting on De Rossa support for the IRA,and also calling De Rossa a traitor for voting for not respecting the vote of the Irish people.

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=162

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20 REASONS TO VOTE NO TO THE LISBON TREATY


1: Lisbon will undermine the Rights of Irish Workers – Big Business will be the Big Winners.

2: It will allow for even more States to join the EU – whose Citizens are used to far lower rates of pay.

3: Rates of pay here will be subjected to a ‘Race to the bottom’ as employers will pay as little as possible.

4: It will strengthen the hand of the EU to make Laws on the Irish People in over 30 new policy areas.

5: These will incl Crime, Justice, Tourism, Immigration, Culture, Transport, Sport, Energy & Public Health.

6: We will lose or seriously weaken the National veto we have at present in those areas concerned.

7: It will make the ‘EU Charter of Fundamental Rights’ legally binding on us all.

8: The European Court of Justice will decide what our Rights are under the Charter.

9: The Constitution of Ireland will be under the Laws of the EU in many more areas than now.

10: It will change in future the way majority decisions are made at EU level.

11: Under Lisbon over 60 more areas move to Qualified Majority Voting – that is we can be outvoted on matters of concern to us.

12: We have just .08% of the population of the EU and will have even less when the EU expands again – how much influence is that?

13: The Lisbon Treaty is open to be changed by amendment in future - and 80% of our Laws are made at EU Level.

14: The EU for the 1st time becomes a Legal Entity in its own right - you will be an EU Citizen like it or not & under the Treaty you will be subject to as yet unspecified ‘duties’ as an EU Citizen.

15: The EU will have its own President - who will however not be elected by the People but selected instead by the EU’s top Politicians on the European Council.

16: The EU intends to become a Great Power on the World Stage – we will be obliged to be part of it.

17: We will have to support any other EU State that is attacked by Terrorists or another Country outside the EU.

18: We cannot be Neutral in such a case - even if we had nothing to do with why it happened.

19: The ‘Guarantees’ obtained do not change a word in the Lisbon Treaty – it stays exactly the same.

20: We already voted NO to the Lisbon Treaty in last years Referendum – our votes were thrown in the Bin!
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« Reply #1150 on: September 27, 2009, 03:26:39 PM »

No campaigners cry foul over Lisbon guide
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0927/breaking36.htm
27 September 2009




Opponents of the Lisbon Treaty have accused the European Commission of deliberately interfering in the Lisbon Treaty referendum campaign in order to secure a Yes vote.

Former Green MEP and chairwoman of the People’s Movement, Patricia McKenna, said the inclusion of a 16-page guide in national newspapers today was both "an unlawful use of taxpayer's money" and a breach of Irish law.

The insert, entitled Your Guide to The Lisbon Treaty has been produced on behalf of the European Commission's Publications Office.

Referring to the McKenna judgement established by the Supreme Court in 1995, which ruled that taxpayers’ money can not be used to promote one side in a referendum, the People's Movement called on the head of the European Commission office in Dublin to make a statement on the matter.

“This interference by the EU Commission flies in the face of public assurances given last year by the head of their Dublin office, Martin Territt who said that they were not taking part in the campaign," said Ms McKenna.

" It is now incumbent on the EU Commission to justify the placing of these Pro-Lisbon supplements in all today's Sunday newspapers," she added.

The People's Movement said it will be seeking legal advice on the Commission's guide this week.

“The public deserve a full breakdown on all monies spent by the European Commission since last year’s referendum on pushing directly or indirectly the Lisbon Treaty in Ireland. This is public money and its expenditure should be open and transparent,” she added.

Ms McKenna called on Minister of the Environment John Gormley to investigate the matter without delay.




Free flights to Ireland to push for a ‘Yes’ vote an outrage – McKenna

http://www.people.ie/press/090924.pdf
23 September 2009




Former MEP Patricia McKenna, chairperson of the People’s Movement, has called for an investigation into a letter being circulated by EU officials in Brussels which offersfree flights to Ireland to canvas for a ‘Yes’ to Lisbon. McKenna said she had received a copy of a letter, from a source in Brussels, which had been circulated by officials in Brussels offering free flights to people so they could come and canvas for a ‘Yes’ vote in the days running up to the referendum: “It is absolutely outrageous that EU officials are offering free flights to people to come to Ireland to canvas for a Yes vote in the forthcoming referendum and it demonstrates the lengths to which EU officials are willing to go to get their own way on this issue.”

McKenna said: “After logging on to a website link in the letter I discovered that one can only avail of these flights if they actually canvas for a ‘Yes’ vote and if they fail to do so they may be left in Ireland without a return ticket”.
The website called ‘Europe for Ireland’ states: “you must agree in writing to canvass for a Yes vote while in Dublin. We will put you in touch with one of the relevant organizations in Dublin (if you do not turn up to canvass, your return flight may be jeopardized).”

“This is absolutely unbelievable and I am calling on those responsible to come out publicly and justify this deliberate interference in a sovereign decision of the Irish people. I would also like them to outline exactly where the funding for these flights is coming from and if the Standards in Public Office Commission and the Referendum Commission have been notified” said McKenna.
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« Reply #1151 on: September 27, 2009, 05:55:24 PM »

Housing estate turns into No man's land
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0928/1224255367811.html
28 September 2009





A CANVASS at 7pm on a Saturday? Everything about it spelt shambolic. Lisbon (again) with its articles, weightings, competences and subsidiarity versus that Saturday evening feeling, that first calming glass of wine, deliberate avoidance of news, settling in for the X Factor? Declan Ganley’s crew was going to get short shrift.

The Ráithín estate in Mullingar is home to what union leaders and politicians call “ordinary working people”, the men and women most vulnerable to job losses and benefit cuts, the ones presumed to be the most fearful and amenable to “it’s the economy, stupid”.

So in theory, a No crew at the door plus general irritation equals a quick rout and home in time for the X Factor ourselves with a bit of luck. Except Ganley arrives in his 06 G Mercedes, crackling with energy, humour and mischief, radiating unreasonable doses of verbiage and aftershave and no deadline. It’s a big estate and in quick order, is parcelled out between the half dozen local canvassers, who include Mick McCauley, a taxi driver.

So why be a No man, Mick? “The Government is sinking us deeper and deeper into recession. They’ve squandered all the EU money that’s come into this country. . .”

Like it or not, for whatever reason, Mick is a No and he is putting his back into it. His clients he says, are also Nos with “a couple who are undecided”. His brother Noel, another taxi driver, says: “If Fianna Fáil want me to vote Yes, I’ll vote No – and you can quote me on that.”

Okay, put the brothers down to general taxi driver antipathy.

But how to explain all the others? An “undecided”, a courteous nurse, weary after working five nights in a row in a Dublin hospital now being canvassed while “making the dinner”, apologises for looking sleepy. But she listens with increasing interest as Ganley delivers the usual spiel: Ireland’s voting weight halved versus Germany’s being doubled; an “unelected” president and foreign minister of Europe; the “diminished” power to nominate our own commissioner.

“There is no upside. We are giving away a lot of our freedom and sovereignty. We give up a lot and get nothing in return,” he says calmly.

The nurse is now on full alert. “I must sit down and study it,” she says. “And they have their hands in your pocket now with the levies”, murmurs Ganley sympathetically. “I’ll study this,” she repeats earnestly with a nod at the leaflet.

Nearby, a relaxed young man announces that he too is an undecided, but is wavering towards a No. Next door, a young woman takes one look and says: “I’ll be a No.” Why? “I don’t see why we’re voting again.”

The next two are undecideds, veering towards a No. A young woman says: “I’m still wavering. I’m reading everything that’s coming in the door.” Ganley hands her a leaflet: “We quote [treaty] articles; they [the Yes side] say it will be good for kittens. Don’t be taken in. If you hand over those powers, you’re never going to get them back again.”

It’s working. She reaches for a second leaflet for her friend in the house. Do you mind saying how you voted last time? “I voted Yes the last time, but I don’t think I knew enough about it. So now I’m not sure. I’m thinking about it.”

The next is an abrupt “I’m votin’ No,” who won’t even trouble herself with a leaflet.

A content-looking middle-aged man at the next house nods knowledgably at certain points as Ganley ticks off his list. Particular nodding points coincide with the “unelected” president and the French and Dutch votes. He is more than leaning towards a No.

A young part-time hotel worker/farmer is thrilled to find Ganley on his doorstep: “You done well the other night,” he says about the Prime Time debate with Michael O’Leary. So why is he a No? “Dad said he’s voting No because of you,” he says happily.

After an hour of canvassing, during which there is just one gruff dismissal, questions arise. Have we been set up? Or have people perfected a way of getting rid of canvassers: just agree with them and they’ll go away? Or is there something else stirring?

The first is a non-runner: the inhabitants don’t recognise Ganley for the most part, still less his local escorts. The second is always a possibility but since many of the responders admit to being undecided, that merely invites engagement. As for the third, Ganley simply insists that the No vote has “hardened”.

“Galway is the same,” he says. He talks about the enormous amount of money being ploughed into the Yes side.

“And who’s funding it?” he asks, without blinking.

You of all people have the cheek to ask that, says a slackjawed Irish Times .

“I like saying that,” he says with a great guffaw. “It’s nice to dish it back.”

Does he feel hated? “Yes . . . ”

How? Long pause.

“I sense it – in their tone, in their approach, in their fear.”

How does it manifest itself?

Quite unexpectedly, his head rears, his jaw clenches and for a moment, he seems to fight for control. There is certainly a tear in his eye.

“It’s there,” he says finally, through the clenched jaw. But he feels unable to talk about it.

“I love my country and we are doing it such a disservice. Talk about a lack of hope. This is a fight for the soul of Ireland.”

Meanwhile, his little troop is winding up the canvass and they have a quick exchange. “One Yes in the whole estate,” he pronounces. “One Yes.”

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« Reply #1152 on: September 27, 2009, 07:27:47 PM »

Fistfight between Ganley and De Rossa ‘narrowly avoided’
Irish Examiner
28 September 2009




STEP aside Bernard Dunne: rumours abounded that the battle over the Lisbon Treaty nearly ended in fisticuffs between Labour MEP Proinsias De Rossa and Libertas leader Declan Ganley.

It is understood Mr Ganley and Mr De Rossa almost came to blows following an explosive exchange in the aftermath of Newstalk’s The Wide Angle programme yesterday afternoon.

Once the programme went off air it is understood the two men engaged in a slanging match and name-calling flew back and forth.

It is understood that various expletives were uttered as the two men went all but toe-to-toe, before People Before Profit campaigner Richard Boyd Barrett, another guest on the programme, stepped in as peacemaker.

The politics.ie website reported that a fistfight was "narrowly avoided".

A Newstalk source told the Irish Examiner, however, that no one at the station saw any physical contact between the two. They confirmed that strong words including "profanities" were exchanged between the two men on leaving the studio and that Mr Boyd Barrett had stepped in to try and ease the situation.

Mr Boyd Barrett said it was not true to say that the two men had come to blows, but admitted the exchange was "very heated".

"They were right up next to each other, shouting in each other’s faces," Mr Boyd Barrett said. "It was very heated. It was completely over the top. Certainly there were heated exchanges and I suppose I suggested to them that they should calm down."

It is understood Newstalk has video footage of the verbal altercation but there is no sound on the clip.

Mr De Rossa last night sought to play down the incident, saying he could not state "hand-on-heart" the exact terms used, but he admitted that "there were words exchanged".

"We left the building and we were exchanging words of various kinds."

The incident comes at the end of testy exchanges between both sides of the debate.

Last week Mr Ganley was labelled a "failed politician" by Ryanair chief Michael O’Leary, who was criticised by Mr Ganley for "swanning around" with an EU Commissioner.

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So did the original De Rossa "attack" get much meainstream media play, and when did this "trip" take place?
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So did the original De Rossa "attack" get much meainstream media play, and when did this "trip" take place?

The trip happened about 2 weeks or so before the referendum last year,as for the MSM ,they reported it but not much was said about it after it happened,because the CCTV cameras around that area would have showed what really happened,so it wasn't followed up .I have met a couple of the We Are Change Ireland lads and they are no way threatening at all,nice enough guys really,certainly not the violent type.

Gardai probe gang attack on Proinsias de Rossa

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Some comic relief  Wink



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« Reply #1156 on: September 29, 2009, 09:32:16 AM »

Irish No will not stop Europe advancing, says France
http://euobserver.com/9/28736
29 September 2009




France has indicated that even if the Irish vote No in their referendum on the Lisbon Treaty on Friday, it will not hinder the European Union from taking steps towards further integration.

Pierre Lellouche, France's state secretary for Europe, told French TV on Monday morning (28 September), that a "solution" will be found in case of a second Irish rejection of the treaty as "whatever happens, Europe will advance because we don't have a choice."

"The institutional fate of 500 million Europeans is in the hands of 3 or 4 million Irish. It's a very undecided country," he said.

"We are faced with a world that is soon going to have more than 9 billion people. There is enormous work to do in the fields of energy, immigration, industry and social affairs and we're not going to stop. So we will find a solution if ever we are faced with this type of situation," he added, but refused to say whether there is actually a Plan B in the event of a No vote.

The French comments are further indication of the impatience felt by larger member states that a referendum in one small member state could derail the Lisbon Treaty completely.

Earlier this month, Italian leader Silvio Berlusconi also advocated the creation of a core of EU states that would push ahead with integration.

"If the Lisbon Treaty on EU reform does not pass, we need to completely revisit the current functioning of Europe to create a core of states that operate beyond unanimity," he said.

Recent polls indicate that the result will be a Yes on 2 October. The Ireland of this year is profoundly changed in comparison to when the first vote took place 16 months ago. The financial crisis has plunged the country into double-figure unemployment and it is facing a predicted decline in GDP of 9.8 percent this year. Analysts suggest that fears about jobs and economic security are likely to play towards a Yes vote.

But Brussels remains nervous about the outcome, with the No side fighting a vocal campaign focusing on many of the same issues that were raised ahead of the first vote.

A rejection would stop the treaty coming into force across the 27-nation Union as it needs to be ratified by all member states, meaning the country has become the focus of anti-treaty campaigners from across Europe.
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« Reply #1157 on: September 29, 2009, 03:12:37 PM »

How do we close information gap between Dublin and Brussels?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0929/1224255438228.html
29 September 2009




THE EU will be uppermost in everyone’s mind in Ireland this week as the public gets its second chance to cast a verdict on the Lisbon Treaty.

After experiencing two referendum campaigns in 16 months Irish people probably know more about the Lisbon Treaty than any other Europeans. Even internal markets’ commissioner Charlie McCreevy, who last year claimed you’d be “insane” to attempt to read the treaty, has admitted to browsing through the several hundred pages of text at bedtime.

But before we all start patting ourselves on the back about our new-found understanding of qualified majority voting and protocols, perhaps we should consider how to close the information gap between Dublin and Brussels? Every week Government Ministers travel to Brussels to agree new laws and make decisions that affect how we all live our lives. But the public and even politicians struggle to keep tabs on the hundreds of decisions taken every year by ministers and MEPs at the EU institutions.

A prime example of this EU information gap occurred last week when EU justice ministers met in Brussels to discuss a range of issues, including the controversial Metock immigration case. The plaintiffs were four couples living in Ireland, who successfully challenged deportation orders issued by the Government at the European Court of Justice (ECJ). Each couple included an EU national, who was not Irish, and a non-EU national, who had claimed asylum in Ireland. In a landmark judgment in 2006 the ECJ ruled that the Government had broken EU law by introducing restrictions on the rights of non-EU spouses to reside in the Republic.

The ECJ ruling was hugely controversial as the Government claimed it undermined a central plank of its immigration policy – tackling “sham marriages”. It forced the Department of Justice to halt 1,500 deportations and change the way it treats non-EU spouses. The ruling alarmed other EU states, notably Denmark, which teamed up with Ireland to urge its European partners to redraft a core EU law on the freedom of movement of citizens.

Last Monday at the Council of Ministers in Brussels, Ireland and Denmark failed to persuade other EU states to work towards amending the freedom of movement directive. After months of lobbying both countries admitted defeat, at least in the medium term. In other words, Europe’s highest court has forced the Government to change a key element of its immigration policy. Despite the importance of the case, not a paragraph was written in the Irish newspapers about the outcome. No television or radio station mentioned the climbdown by Ireland and Denmark. The Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern did not issue a press release on the decision and no opposition politician, to my knowledge, has even commented on it.

When contacted by The Irish Times a Government spokeswoman said Ireland continued to have real concerns about the “potential for exploitation” of the directive on freedom of movement following the Metock ruling. She said the Government would be monitoring the situation closely and would continue to report abuse and fraud to the European Commission and other EU states.

Clearly, the public cannot rely on Ministers to bring to their attention decisions in Brussels that have not met Irish concerns. The media should be playing its part as a watchdog and highlighting these types of debates at EU level. But with just a handful of Irish reporters based in Brussels inevitably stories slip through the net.

Irish MEPs keep a close eye on legislation passing through the European Parliament but debates and decisions at the Council of Ministers are a different matter entirely. Most of the sensitive discussions at the council, including the debate on Metock, are held in private session, making it very difficult for the public or even journalists to find out what has happened.

The Lisbon Treaty will help by forcing the council to televise all debates when new legislation is being decided, although sensitive discussions such as Metock would still be held behind closed doors. It would also give MEPs a say over new legislation in the justice area for the first time, which should improve the level of scrutiny over such EU decisions.

The Lisbon Treaty also forces the European Commission to send all new legislative proposals to national parliaments for consideration in an attempt to bridge the gulf between domestic politics and EU politics. Parliaments can attempt to delay or block a proposal if they feel it infringes on an area that would best be handled through domestic rather than European legislation. This would address concerns raised by no campaigners about a “democratic deficit” at the heart of the EU project.

Whether our political system is capable of releasing TDs from their constituency duties to properly debate EU laws in the Dáil is another matter entirely. Perhaps our experience of ratifying the Lisbon Treaty should inspire us to reform domestic politics as well.
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PRESS RELEASE

29th September 2009

Call for OSCE election monitors to oversee Lisbon Referendum amid growing concern about electoral fraud

There has been a formal call for the OSCE to oversee the Irish Lisbon referendum amid growing concerns that the result of the Irish referendum may be manipulated by postal vote fraud. A source within the Dublin City Council have informed the former MEP candidate Fiachra Ó Luain of efforts by the head of the Franchise department to actively register residents of retirement homes, prisons and even the army. The source has said that the head of the Franchise department has unsupervised and unregulated access to the postal votes and suggests that there may be concerted efforts to influence the outcome of the Lisbon referendum by manipulation of the postal vote system. This corroborates the fact that the ‘People’s Movement’, who are calling for a No vote, received notice from various county councils of the issue of postal votes the day after they had been sent out.

Earlier this week Emmett Stagg TD, stated that 600 polling cards had been received by international residents who are not legally entitled to vote in the referendum. This compounds suspicions that there are deliberate efforts to alter the result of the Lisbon referendum. The Gael poll that was accurate to within 0.5% in 2008 puts the No vote at 59%, contradicting the result of the less extensive Red C poll.

During the June 2009 European elections, 3000 first preference votes were found to have been misappropriated from Fiachra Ó Luain to another candidate in the Ireland North West constituency during a recheck of a random 10% of the votes. The Garda Siochána (Irish police) were asked to investigate how this occurred by the Independent candidate Mr. Fiachra Ó Luain who suspects that this was not an inadvertent mistake. The fact that the police responded by putting the same Garda who had been in charge of the election count in charge of the investigation, and the fact that the Returning Officer in charge of the count has “refused” to give a statement has raised further suspicion of foul play on behalf of the authorities. Following a complaint to the local Superintendent, Ó Luain later wrote to the Garda Commissioner Fachtna Murphy and Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government Mr. John Gormley requesting a new, full and transparent Garda investigation, with the full co-operation of the Returning Officer. As of yet there has been no explanation as to why after three and a half months there has literally no investigation into how thousands of votes can be misallocated. In a bid to draw public attention to the issue of mass vote misallocation and an apparent Garda cover-up, Ó Luain made a YouTube video that can be seen at YouTube - FiachraForEurope's Channel. Following this the 28 year old Independent politician received information about deliberate attempts to manipulate the postal vote system within the Franchise department of the Dublin City Council.

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« Reply #1159 on: September 29, 2009, 04:48:51 PM »

The trip happened about 2 weeks or so before the referendum last year,as for the MSM ,they reported it but not much was said about it after it happened,because the CCTV cameras around that area would have showed what really happened,so it wasn't followed up .I have met a couple of the We Are Change Ireland lads and they are no way threatening at all,nice enough guys really,certainly not the violent type.

Gardai probe gang attack on Proinsias de Rossa

De Rossa assaulted after Lisbon debate

Did you see the video Huh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofg3_O77yJs

I was trying to find the one with him holding out his finger like a child right after it happened  Roll Eyes

Yes, I saw it. This whole world is a bogus mindf**k. Excuse the language.
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