Policy towards cannabis 'a nonsense', says judge.

[Sub-X]

Policy towards cannabis 'a nonsense', says judge.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/15/ncannabis115.xml
15/02/2008

A judge condemned politicians for downgrading cannabis yesterday as he jailed an "inspirational" teenager whose addiction to the drug turned him into a heroin dealer.

Judge Michael Murphy told Sheffield Crown Court that it was "a nonsense" to claim the drug was not addictive.

"You have to be in court for five minutes to realise what a nonsense that is," he said. "People are often addicted to it. It's an awful drug and it's the gateway to other drugs.

If those who say cannabis is a leisure drug sat in this court, day in day out, and saw what I see I would like to think they would dramatically change their minds as to whether it should be classified as Class C or Class B."

Judge Murphy spoke out after hearing how Jerome Blake, 19, had been an inspirational community worker in Sheffield's deprived Burngreave area. But he began peddling heroin in order to feed his £20-a-day addiction to cannabis.

He was caught selling two £15 wraps of heroin to undercover police officers in the city centre last May - one of 30 suspected dealers held following a surveillance operation codenamed Glen.

Jailing Blake for two years, Judge Murphy told him: "Your case is a tragedy in many ways because you are capable of so much more."

If you believe that,then I have a brick here you can swallow.The guy was selling Heroin,couldnt proof obviously that he was a user,so he says hes addicted to cannabis and sells Heroin to support his £20-a-day habit to get a lighter sentance.Nothing to do with the fact that Heroin is so addictive that it a source of earning money on the quick.This is a crock.

[Joe(WI)]

Hmmmm, must be the CIA feeling like their smack cut was being snubbed by a local grower  afterall, they DID take all that time/effort/life to secure, I mean liberate! Afghanistan!

[trixi1]

But the sheep will believe and bow down and say 'baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa'.

[Me]

If you have an hour of free time and you are bored or you want to have something to laugh about, watch this:

Alex Jones Report - Review of Reefer Madness, AJ is commenting the whole movie...LOL!
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=2660242311799219006

Wikipedia says:
"Reefer Madness (aka Tell Your Children) is a 1936 exploitation film revolving around the tragic events that follow when high school students are lured by pushers to try "marihuana": a hit and run accident, manslaughter, suicide, rape, and descent into madness all ensue. The film was directed by Louis Gasnier and starred a cast composed of mostly unknown bit actors. The actor who played Bill Harper never worked in another film. [1] It was originally financed by a church group and made under the title Tell Your Children.[1][2]

The film was intended to be shown to parents as a morality tale attempting to teach them about the dangers of cannabis use.[1] However, soon after the film was shot, it was purchased by producer Dwain Esper, who re-cut the film for distribution on the exploitation film circuit.[1] The film never gained an audience until it was rediscovered in the 1970s and gained new life as a piece of unintentional comedy among cannabis smokers.[1][3] Today, it is in the public domain in the United States and is considered a cult film.[3] It inspired a musical satire, which premiered off-Broadway in 2001, and a Showtime film, Reefer Madness, based on the musical."

However, i recommand everyone to watch "American Drug War- The last white hope". It's a very good movie about the war on drugs and its real purpose.

Here is AJ interviewing the maker of "American Drug War":
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=5465548355486394343

Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTl3T7BkyUk

Buy it or get it somewhere else, i can't tell you where.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

I used to be in favour of Cannabis being legalised but having seen the effects that this relatively new (in my area) form called ‘Skunk’ has had on some of my friends, well now I’m not too sure. I say that because I’ve seen people get messed up on that stuff. And I understand that some people can handle it better than others but I don’t think it’s totally safe and I do think it’s addictive. Whether that has something to do with how the plant is now being grown or how it’s treated I don’t know but for me this new form of ’Skunk’ is not safe.

[Caasi]

Well just like any drug it can be laced, making it more potent and potentially more addictive. Growing it yourself is the surest way to get a  nice clean high every time 

[Me]

I used to be in favour of Cannabis being legalised but having seen the effects that this relatively new (in my area) form called ‘Skunk’ has had on some of my friends, well now I’m not too sure. I say that because I’ve seen people get messed up on that stuff. And I understand that some people can handle it better than others but I don’t think it’s totally safe and I do think it’s addictive. Whether that has something to do with how the plant is now being grown or how it’s treated I don’t know but for me this new form of ’Skunk’ is not safe.

You don't know what you are talking about. Watch the movie "american drug war".

AJ interviewing Kevin Booth, the maker of "American Drug War", the 2nd:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-92711040778775053

[cad420guy]

I used to be in favour of Cannabis being legalised but having seen the effects that this relatively new (in my area) form called ‘Skunk’ has had on some of my friends, well now I’m not too sure. I say that because I’ve seen people get messed up on that stuff. And I understand that some people can handle it better than others but I don’t think it’s totally safe and I do think it’s addictive. Whether that has something to do with how the plant is now being grown or how it’s treated I don’t know but for me this new form of ’Skunk’ is not safe.

You are just being another sheeple, listening to the propaganda.  We have been through this many times, ANYTHING can be addictive if you let it, period.  Cannabis itself is NOT addictive.  There is no such thing as "skunk" weed, there used to be in the 70's, but that is because it smelled like a skunk.  Could it be that your "friends" are just lazy and possible also drink and do other things?
And selling herion for a 20 cannabis habit, nonsense.  It's just an easy out for the "it wasn't me, it was the "drug", so I am not responsible."

[StemCell]

I used to be in favour of Cannabis being legalised but having seen the effects that this relatively new (in my area) form called ‘Skunk’ has had on some of my friends, well now I’m not too sure. I say that because I’ve seen people get messed up on that stuff. And I understand that some people can handle it better than others but I don’t think it’s totally safe and I do think it’s addictive. Whether that has something to do with how the plant is now being grown or how it’s treated I don’t know but for me this new form of ’Skunk’ is not safe.

No matter if you feel it's safe or not, you should believe in freedom. No human should have the right to tell another what to ingest. Educating others is fine, but once you ban one thing you've set it up to have anything banned. Much like we see today with drugs, firearms..etc.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

You don't know what you are talking about. Watch the movie "american drug war".

AJ interviewing Kevin Booth, the maker of "American Drug War", the 2nd:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-92711040778775053

Listen, you are not talking to someone who ‘doesn’t know what they are talking about’ I’ve seen the affects with my own eyes. I’ve seen people I know personally, close friends, turn into paranoid, depressed ghosts of their former selves through their use of ‘Skunk‘. A lady, who my mum works with, daughter is now in a Psychiatric Hospital because of her experience with ’Skunk’ so please don’t be so patronising. Is there any information in the film that could change this?  

[thrashbassist]

"MARIJUANA IS EVIL! JUST DRINK YOUR FLUORIDE AND SHUT UP! Trust us, we know what's best for you. One minute it's marijuana, the next you're raping children with a clown suit on! This is proven by the.. uh... study for marijuana... thing. BIGBROTHERISWATCHING!"
 

[φυδγε]

This ain't your daddy's weed!  Don't listen to the DEA lies about marijuana and reefer madness.  Weed potency is undetermined by science since weed is still illegal for scientific testing.  Weed cannot be laced nor can it cause psychosis, but every news network would convince you otherwise. 

If you want to see how the NARCO's deal with the drug war in Europe, google "grit weed" and see how that operation worked.  The NARCO's started to put silicon beads in their street weed and it started causing health hazards to the users.  Of course once all the weed was tainted, the government (e.g. London) could wave the flag of victory while saying weed was at last a hazardous substance.  So the only way for weed to be dangerous is when your government puts foreign substances in the weed and thus makes it dangerous when before it was harmless.

The drug war is real.  Today US NARCO's treat the drug war the same as terrorism.  When you hear about warrantless wiretaps and warrantless searches, you are hearing about the NARCO-TERRORISM drug war.

If we keep this thread alive, I will post more on the topic.   There is so much to say about the drug war.

Keep the dialog going!!!

[φυδγε]

"MARIJUANA IS EVIL! JUST DRINK YOUR FLUORIDE AND SHUT UP! Trust us, we know what's best for you. One minute it's marijuana, the next you're raping children with a clown suit on! This is proven by the.. uh... study for marijuana... thing. BIGBROTHERISWATCHING!"
 

Good response.  ROFLMAO.  The clown suit statement touched me in the soft parts! 

Don't listen to the psychosis/skunk lies.  Sorry if someone has mental illness, weed was likely the grease on the wheel and not the cause.  Since weed is unregulated and sold on the streets mostly by dealers who are watched closely by the NARCOS, you cannot guarantee the quality of a buy without lots of knowledge and planning.

LEGALIZE IT!

[Joe(WI)]

I'm GLAD noone is arguing with the idea Govt subsidises itself with their smack cut. You want to go out on limb and question WHY they are so damn interested in maryJ?

btw-If ReeferMadness, How Can George Washington Be A Good President? *sees GW toking with Jefferson, snicker*

FURTHERMORE:
Can someone drop the real quote "Were it not for prohibition, there would be no Capone?" What if he WAS the Govt now?
"Were it not for *paste*illegal THC/, there would be no *paste*Govt Black Budget/.

[ghardy]

...and growing your own to ensure your own safety, you then expose yourself to having your home taken from you by force.


the law of no tolerance.

bs....damned if you do....that's it....damned if you do.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

This ain't your daddy's weed!  Don't listen to the DEA lies about marijuana and reefer madness.  Weed potency is undetermined by science since weed is still illegal for scientific testing.  Weed cannot be laced nor can it cause psychosis, but every news network would convince you otherwise. 

If you want to see how the NARCO's deal with the drug war in Europe, google "grit weed" and see how that operation worked.  The NARCO's started to put silicon beads in their street weed and it started causing health hazards to the users.  Of course once all the weed was tainted, the government (e.g. London) could wave the flag of victory while saying weed was at last a hazardous substance.  So the only way for weed to be dangerous is when your government puts foreign substances in the weed and thus makes it dangerous when before it was harmless.

The drug war is real.  Today US NARCO's treat the drug war the same as terrorism.  When you hear about warrantless wiretaps and warrantless searches, you are hearing about the NARCO-TERRORISM drug war.

If we keep this thread alive, I will post more on the topic.   There is so much to say about the drug war.

Keep the dialog going!!!

Yeah I've heard about 'grit weed'. Where I lived in Buckinghamshire about 2-3 years ago there was a massive bust in a place called Aylesbury and just that after everybody was saying that they couldn't get any weed because of the bust. Then this 'grit weed' appeared and they all started smoking it and getting sore throats. Apparently it was coming from London. Coincidence? Who knows?

[Me]

Listen, you are not talking to someone who ‘doesn’t know what they are talking about’ I’ve seen the affects with my own eyes. I’ve seen people I know personally, close friends, turn into paranoid, depressed ghosts of their former selves through their use of ‘Skunk‘. A lady, who my mum works with, daughter is now in a Psychiatric Hospital because of her experience with ’Skunk’ so please don’t be so patronising. Is there any information in the film that could change this? 

Yes there is. And if you think that this girl you were writing about is now in good hands, well... There are "legal" and "illegal" drugs. Legal doesn't mean that they are "SAFE" drugs. Do you know how many people die every year of smoking useless tobacco? Or how many are drinking alcohol till they drop dead? Or how about legal prescription drugs? Do you know how many are addicted to and die from legal prescription drugs? Drugs which were designed by big pharma, and if you look into who is the biggest lobby pushing making drugs like Ganja illegal...it's the big pharma industry..+ the government goes along with it since it can inprison everybody for a joint. And so on...

Watch the damn movie, please... i beg you. You can find the movie on PB. If you don't know what PB is, i can''t help any further.(copyrights-issue)

Btw, some people shoot themselves...shall we ban all guns? Or shall we throw all gunowners into jail?
I don't think so. I am not saying that Ganja is "safe", it will mess up your brain if you are breathing it like air.

[thrashbassist]

Well, I used to smoke/grow weed all the time, so I feel that I'm at least a little bit qualified to talk about it. Truth is I really don't have time for that kinda thing anymore. But in high school I was stoned quite often. The only real danger that can be seen with marijuana is that there are some toxins in it's smoke. Still, it is nowhere near as dangerous as cigarettes and alcohol. The main problem is that it's illegal, and you have shady, back-alley dealers involved. If it were legal, sold by shops/bars, and growing companies following strict guidelines, I would guess that many of these problems would disappear.

The War on Drugs is complete BS. Marijuana is medicine. Legalize it.

[thrashbassist]

50 bucks for anyone who finds any evidence of someone dying from marijuana intoxication/overdose.









Disclaimer: thrash doesn't actually mean that, he was being sarcastic

[Joe(WI)]

Heck, lets ban TRAVEL!
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2006/08/24/71690.htm

U.S. Traffic Deaths on Rise

By Ken Thomas
August 24, 2006

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Traffic deaths in the United States reached their highest levels since 1990, the government reported this week. The spike in fatalities was attributed to an increase in motorcycle and pedestrian fatalities.
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said 43,443 people were killed on the highways last year, up 1.4 percent from 42,836 in 2004. It was the highest number of fatalities in a single year since 1990, when 44,599 people were killed.

The fatality rate also grew slightly to 1.47 deaths per 100 million miles traveled, an increase from 1.45 in 2004. It was the first increase in the fatality rate since 1986.

"We have no tolerance for any numbers higher than zero,'' said Acting Transportation Secretary Maria Cino. "Motorcyclists need to wear their helmets, drivers need to buckle up, and all motorists need to stay sober.''

The annual report found that motorcycle fatalities rose for the eighth straight year, growing 13 percent since 2004. The government said 4,553 motorcyclists died in 2005, compared with 4,028 in 2004. Nearly half of the people who died were not wearing helmets.

Pedestrian deaths increased from 4,675 in 2004 to 4,881 in 2005. NHTSA said it was investigating the increase to try to learn what led to the growth.
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[DAVIDENGLAND]

Yes there is. And if you think that this girl you were writing about is now in good hands, well... There are "legal" and "illegal" drugs. Legal doesn't mean that they are "SAFE" drugs. Do you know how many people die every year of smoking useless tobacco? Or how many are drinking alcohol till they drop dead? Or how about legal prescription drugs? Do you know how many are addicted to and die from legal prescription drugs? Drugs which were designed by big pharma, and if you look into who is the biggest lobby pushing making drugs like Ganja illegal...it's the big pharma industry..+ the government goes along with it since it can inprison everybody for a joint. And so on...

Watch the damn movie, please... i beg you. You can find the movie on PB. If you don't know what PB is, i can''t help any further.(copyrights-issue)

Btw, some people shoot themselves...shall we ban all guns? Or shall we throw all gunowners into jail?
I don't think so. I am not saying that Ganja is "safe", it will mess up your brain if you are breathing it like air.

Yeah ok I’m familiar with what you are saying about Big Pharma and I totally agree with you there. I understand also why we took over Afghanistan, of course it was because the Taleban had got the opium production down to just a hundred tonnes or so and yeah I’ve been to Kevin Booth’s sites both Sacred Cow (found it because I love Bill Hicks) and also the drug war one but I gotta tell you round where I live these young kids 14/15/16 yrs old and up are walking around like zombies because of this ‘Skunk’.

[jesqueal]

First of all. SKUNK does exist. To the guy who said it doesn't - you're clearly so far outside the weed game you don't know your clipper from  your rizla. Skunk is so strong that it increases the disintegrating effect that marijuana normally has (normally not enough to be a problem) on the little 'councils' and 'roundtable' groups that make up the conciousness...thus inducing schizophrenia-like symptoms, when they all move towards 'independence' is you get me. Skunk is super-strong, but it doesn't exist in America as far as I know. I heard a story about Jay-Z coming to Europe, tooting half a joint of Euro-weed and pulling a white one! Skunk IS addictive, but not physiologically - like tobacco. Instead it is psychologically addictive, like a habit. Weed IS a gateway to other drugs, especially skunk. When kids start getting high from about 15, they spend about 2 years in the high, giggly phase of adventures and random fun and then can't handle the transition to the meditative, thoughtful stage that enlightens the mind, but doesn't truly kick in for a few years after beginning to smoke.



Second of all. There are so many small-growers in the UK that there is NO monopoly - in other words, grit is being sprayed onto the weed by a huge variety of people, not by the government. Its because of the busts, and short supplies, and growers/dealers needing to shift stock. It wouldn't surprise me if weed was being shipped in from Dutch government and put on the streets by the UK government for money, not at all, but the grit weed is a problem with the average man's evil not the NWO.

I love weed, I don't mind skunk because I know I can handle it. If you're thinking about starting weed I would definitely advise learning what skunk is, how to see and smell it, then stay away from it for a few years. Shalom

[jesqueal]

LEGALISE! It' the only way

[cad420guy]

The only real danger that can be seen with marijuana is that there are some toxins in it's smoke.

Vaporize, problem solved.

[DAVIDENGLAND]

I am not saying that Ganja is "safe", it will mess up your brain if you are breathing it like air.

Good point. That's the problem, they are on it from the moment they wake up right up until they go to sleep. But they think it's safe.

[jesqueal]

Who is this they? You talk like weed is something they are, not something they do

[ghardy]

asprin kills more people than ol' mary jane. documented.

pharma doesn't want it....why would they want you to grow your own medicine?

clothing industry doesn't want it...clothes made of hemp last 26 times longer.

petroleum industry doesn't want it....all fuel can be made from hemp, and can grow 4 crops a year.

paper lasts longer made from hemp--instead of using dioxins to bleach the wood pulp, all you need to make the hemp fiber white is hydrogen peroxide (still caustic, but not nearly as bad...look up Love Canal, NY)

Henry Ford made a car made mostly from hemp...the plastic was made form hemp that made the dash, the seats were hemp...all but the motor and the frame...not in the Ford plant tour.

ok...i have to admit i did my senior economics thesis on this subject....got a 96...at a very conservative catholic university.

[thrashbassist]

Vaporize, problem solved.

Exactly. And even if you can't afford a full-on vaporizer, you can get a vaporizing pipe for like 50$, not sure tho, I've been out of the "game" for quite a while, but I still check out the latest issue of High Times while I'm browsing at the book store.

[ghardy]

skunk = canabis indica
swag = canabis sativa

two different strains.  ya'll make it sound like something processed with formaldehyde or something.  yea, typically stronger, but not "zombie" stuff.

[cad420guy]

First of all. SKUNK does exist. To the guy who said it doesn't - you're clearly so far outside the weed game you don't know your clipper from  your rizla. Skunk is so strong that it increases the disintegrating effect that marijuana normally has (normally not enough to be a problem) on the little 'councils' and 'roundtable' groups that make up the conciousness...thus inducing schizophrenia-like symptoms, when they all move towards 'independence' is you get me. Skunk is super-strong, but it doesn't exist in America as far as I know. I heard a story about Jay-Z coming to Europe, tooting half a joint of Euro-weed and pulling a white one! Skunk IS addictive, but not physiologically - like tobacco. Instead it is psychologically addictive, like a habit. Weed IS a gateway to other drugs, especially skunk. When kids start getting high from about 15, they spend about 2 years in the high, giggly phase of adventures and random fun and then can't handle the transition to the meditative, thoughtful stage that enlightens the mind, but doesn't truly kick in for a few years after beginning to smoke.



Second of all. There are so many small-growers in the UK that there is NO monopoly - in other words, grit is being sprayed onto the weed by a huge variety of people, not by the government. Its because of the busts, and short supplies, and growers/dealers needing to shift stock. It wouldn't surprise me if weed was being shipped in from Dutch government and put on the streets by the UK government for money, not at all, but the grit weed is a problem with the average man's evil not the NWO.

I love weed, I don't mind skunk because I know I can handle it. If you're thinking about starting weed I would definitely advise learning what skunk is, how to see and smell it, then stay away from it for a few years. Shalom

I guess the 420 in my name doesn't mean jack nor the 25+ years of being "in the game".  Unless it smells like a skunk, it is not skunk period.

[jesqueal]

I guess the 420 in my name doesn't mean jack nor the 25+ years of being "in the game".  Unless it smells like a skunk, it is not skunk period.

What better qualification for something being called 'skunk' than the fact that everyone calls it skunk?

What one strain smelled like in USA 30 years ago is irrelevant. Right now, in the UK, skunk is a definite type of weed - etymology is a whole different kettle of fish

[chris jones]

Tell me something folks, what is more dangerous, a drunk ed upped guy or some guy who just smoked a joint.
Check out the crimes committed by people with a high intake of alcohol and those who smoked some.
Narcotics are essentially the same as booze, though they are illegal, booze is not, but drink a fifth of booze and tell me your responsible and in control.
Trick here is the tax on booze is astronomical,it is socially acceptable and legal.
Who's to say, I don't use booze or drugs, though I did when i was a kid. Booze got me in more trouble than smoking a joint.
Narcotics, thats another world backed by the big money, addiction is both physically and mentally is par for the course once a person submits. Then again, so is booze.
In a few Scandinavian countries dope is legal, pot is sold in coffee shops, no big deal. Those who use Narcotics are considered sick and addicted people, not cool users.
Through the years I have had friends who smoke a joint after work to relax, no fights, no robberies, no insanity. I have known people who like to get hammered (drunk)  one cut a guys throat with a broken bottle, ask him why he did it, he doesn't know.
Th judge had one reason to feel the way he did, if a guy starts on pot, and his dealer go something bet, well, what do you think the dealer wants to do, make money. So he pushes, that how they got the name pushers. First shots free shit. But who is making the big bucks from this insanity. I said yesterday a buddy of mine, a ex green beret Paul Withers, , worked in Laos, clandestine, with the hills tribes, taking care of CIA and their opium trafficking.
I talk to much, sorry folks, my kids tell me its my age.

[cad420guy]

skunk = canabis indica
swag = canabis sativa

two different strains.

Incorrect;
swag = the Mexican brick crap from over the border.
Indica = a higher CBD than THC and is more of a sleepy type "high"
Sativa = higher THC than CBD and is more of a soring body "high"

[ghardy]

no, you dont go driving like an idiot when you smoke.  just the opposite.

the worst thing i did in college was drive 20mph to denny's for a grand-slam breakfast...munchies are a bitch!

[ghardy]

Incorrect;
swag = the Mexican brick crap from over the border.
Indica = a higher CBD than THC and is more of a sleepy type "high"
Sativa = higher THC than CBD and is more of a soring body "high"

yea, yea....didn't want to gummy up the issue.  but your right

[cad420guy]

What better qualification for something being called 'skunk' than the fact that everyone calls it skunk?

What one strain smelled like in USA 30 years ago is irrelevant. Right now, in the UK, skunk is a definite type of weed - etymology is a whole different kettle of fish

So over here they use the word "Chronic", that just means it's good stuff.  Strains actually have names, like blueberry, purple kush, etc.  Just because someone calls skunk does not make it true.  Skunk is just a word to use when they do not know the strain.  There is one strain called cat piss because it smells like cat piss.  Blueberry smells like blueberries.

[life0repeats]

thing is that there are people addicted to weed.  but there are people addicted to sex, food, and all types of things.  and for some people weed will be a gateway, but if it wasn't weed as the gateway it would be something else.

[Sub-X]

First of all. SKUNK does exist. To the guy who said it doesn't - you're clearly so far outside the weed game you don't know your clipper from  your rizla. Skunk is so strong that it increases the disintegrating effect that marijuana normally has (normally not enough to be a problem) on the little 'councils' and 'roundtable' groups that make up the conciousness...thus inducing schizophrenia-like symptoms, when they all move towards 'independence' is you get me. Skunk is super-strong, but it doesn't exist in America as far as I know. I heard a story about Jay-Z coming to Europe, tooting half a joint of Euro-weed and pulling a white one! Skunk IS addictive, but not physiologically - like tobacco. Instead it is psychologically addictive, like a habit. Weed IS a gateway to other drugs, especially skunk. When kids start getting high from about 15, they spend about 2 years in the high, giggly phase of adventures and random fun and then can't handle the transition to the meditative, thoughtful stage that enlightens the mind, but doesn't truly kick in for a few years after beginning to smoke.

Jesqueal I was with you all the way up to "its a gateway drug", ,it is not a gateway drug to harder drugs.I can not stand that anti-weed term of propaganda.As you say later on the gate way term was originally used "the transition to the meditative" thats what it refers to but then adopted by the anti-weed whiners as a term used against weed.If you want to drugs you going to do them,there is no gateway other than in circles you mix in.``

I have to add that I love the finger pointing crew that condemn people that smoke weed,as a way to hide their own socialy acceptable addictions,i.e. shopping,drinking,prescription drugs etc. etc.
 

[ghardy]

ALCOHOL is a gateway drug

WEED helps some people just cope with the corruption and what's going on.

[jesqueal]

Jesqueal I was with you all the way up to "its a gateway drug", ,it is not a gateway drug to harder drugs.I can not stand that anti-weed term of propaganda.As you say later on the gate way term was originally used "the transition to the meditative" thats what it refers to but then adopted by the anti-weed whiners as a term used against weed.If you want to drugs you going to do them,there is no gateway other than in circles you mix in.``

I guess you might be right - perhaps those who move from weed to harder drugs were just the people who would have been on harder drugs anyway were it not for the weed.

I still stand by it though - in my hometown, I know of literally hundreds of smokers and I can only name 3 who don't/havn't done harder drugs like ketamine or extacy, the people chasing that high that weed used to give them instead of realising that what comes after the high, the mental super-powers that weed gives, is what's more important than the feeling of being all intoxicated and jacked up