ALERT>> Spy satellite Nuke Threat? National Reconnaissance Office EXPOSED!!!

[hellcatjr]

U.S. will down failed satellite

By Bill Gertz
February 15, 2008

The Pentagon's plan to shoot down a failed satellite with a missile defense interceptor in the coming days is aimed at preventing toxic fuel from reaching earth. But U.S. officials and experts said yesterday it would also signal that U.S. missile defenses can be used to counter China's strategic anti-satellite weapons.

China conducted its first successful test of an anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon on Jan. 11, 2007, in what defense and military officials called a new strategic threat to the United States.

Bush administration defense and national security officials involved in interagency discussions on the satellite destruction plan said one reason for using the missile defense system against a space target would be to highlight its potential as an ASAT weapon. The Pentagon has been discussing ways to deter and counter China's ASAT weapon, which can threaten U.S. military and civilian communications, especially command and control systems involving satellites.

Publicly, however, officials who announced the plan yesterday sought to play down the ASAT capability.

The Greyhound bus-sized intelligence satellite failed shortly after launch in 2006. Intended to conduct both electronic eavesdropping and photographic intelligence-gathering, the satellite contains a large tank of unused toxic fuel called hydrazine. The fuel would pose a health risk if the tank survived re-entry and landed in a populated area. The satellite has been gradually moving closer to the atmosphere and could come down some time in the next several weeks.

Since the satellite cannot be maneuvered to fall into the ocean, the plan calls for firing a modified Navy SM-3 anti-missile interceptor from an Aegis battle management system equipped warship in the northern Pacific, as the satellite nears the atmosphere.

It will be the first time a missile defense interceptor will be used against a satellite, something that has not been attempted since the 1980s, when the Pentagon tested an anti-satellite missile from a jet fighter.

The administration began notifying the world community about the plan late last month, Deputy National Security Adviser James Jeffries told reporters in announcing the plan.

Asked if the modified SM-3 will be viewed by some foreign states as an ASAT weapon, Mr. Jeffries said that whatever other nations might think, "the truth" is that the missile strike is meant to prevent the hyrdazine tank from landing in a populated area.

Marine Corps Gen. James E. Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, however, made clear that the Navy interceptor, which is designed to hit ballistic missiles as they transit space, was picked because of its ability to hit targets in space.

"Does it have the kinetic capability? That's why we picked it. But you'd have to go in and do modifications to ships, to missiles, to sensors and they would be significant" before it could be an effective ASAT system, he said during the meeting with reporters.

"This is an extreme measure for this problem," Gen. Cartwright said. "It is not transferrable to a fleet configuration."

Gen. Cartwright was asked if the missile shot will show China a U.S. ASAT capability and he did not answer directly.

To configure the missile against the satellite, SM-3 software is being modified that will help guide its nonexplosive warhead to the satellite, which is traveling at about 22,000 miles an hour. Three missiles will be available for the satellite shot and if successful it will result in most of the debris burning up in the atmosphere over several weeks or a month.

China's ASAT weapon test, by contrast, used a ground-based missile to hit an orbiting Chinese weather satellite, and it left some 2,500 pieces of debris in a belt 527 miles in space that military officials say poses a danger to both manned and unmanned spacecraft.

U.S. military and national security officials said the Chinese ASAT test is part of China's asymmetric warfare capabilities and represents a new strategic weapon that could cripple the U.S. military in a future conflict by giving Beijing the capability to shoot down most low-earth orbit satellites.

The window for the shootdown could begin in the next three or four days and last for as many as eight days, Gen. Cartwright said.

Announcement of the plan comes as China and Russia renewed an international effort to ban weapons in space.

John Tkacik, a China specialist at the Heritage Foundation, said the proposed China-Russia agreement, if enforced, would prevent the missile shot against the satellite.

"We have a fleet of Aegis destroyers, including those in the Pacific, and the Japanese have several," Mr. Tkacik said. "The demonstration of these anti-mission capabilities against a satellite, regardless whether it intended as a signal to China or not, will certainly get the attention of the Chinese."

Mr. Jeffries said President Bush authorized the anti-satellite blast because of concerns that if the satellite fell in a populated area "there was a possibility of death or injury to human beings beyond that associated with the fall of satellites and other space objects normally."

"Specifically, there was enough of a risk for the president to be quite concerned about human life," he said.

[Brendan]

Arsenal of Hypocrisy: The Space Program and the Military Industrial Complex



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4835966027154828456


The Battle For America's Soul



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7223759591440544028

[37]

Well, last year China shot down a satellite...this year we have to prove we can do the same.  Can they not determine where this thing will come down?  I mean if it's the ocean, then why would you want to blast it in space, and scatter more debris in near earth orbit?  This is muscle flexing like we haven't seen since the Cold War.  Instead of matching atomic bomb tests with the Russians, we are shooting satellites out of the heavens against China.

[Brendan]

The same weapons manufacturers that sell space weapons to the US also sell them to every other military power on the globe! All of this saber rattling being reported by the media is a farce- The same weapons corporations sell satellites and missiles to China, Russia, the US, Pakistan, India, etc.

Here's another article:


Source: http://santamariatimes.com/articles/2008/02/14/news/breaking/breaking11.txt


Broken spy satellite launched from Vandenberg to be shot down

By Staff, wire reports


President Bush decided to make a first-of-its-kind attempt to use a missile to bring down a broken U.S. spy satellite — launched from Vandenberg AFB 14 months ago — because of the potential danger to people from its rocket fuel, officials said today.

Briefing reporters at the Pentagon, Deputy National Security Adviser James Jeffrey did not say when the attempted intercept would be conducted, but the satellite is expected to hit Earth during the first week of March.

Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at the same briefing that the “window of opportunity” for such a shootdown, presumably to be launched from a Navy ship, will open in the next three or four days and last for seven or eight days. He did not say whether the Pentagon has decided on an exact launch date.

The National Reconnaissance Office satellite blasted off aboard a United Launch Alliance Delta 2 rocket in December 2006 from Vandenberg’s Space Launch Complex-2.

Cartwright said this will be an unprecedented effort; he would not say exactly what are the odds of success.

“This is the first time we’ve used a tactical missile to engage a spacecraft,” said Cartwright.
 
Source: http://santamariatimes.com/articles/2008/02/14/news/breaking/breaking11.txt

[el midgetron]

Notice how yesturday the AP was saying this was a "first-of-its-kind" attempt by the US to shoot down a satellite. Those stories seem to have been replaced today but there are still traces of them on the net. Today they are saying its a "counter" to China's anti-satellite missles (a counter to something we are twenty years ahead of China on??).

WASHINGTON (Feb. 14) - President Bush decided to make a first-of-its-kind attempt to use a missile to bring down a broken U.S. spy satellite because of the potential danger to people from its rocket fuel, officials said Thursday.

Shooting down a satellite is particularly sensitive because of the controversy surrounding China's anti-satellite test last year, when Beijing shot down one of its defunct weather satellites, drawing immediate criticism from the U.S. and other countries.

http://search.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=comsearch30&query=President+Bush+decided+to+make+a+first-of-its-kind+attempt+to+&do=Search

Of course we know this isn't a "first"..........

The United States has been able to bring down satellites with missiles since the mid-1980s, according to a history of ASAT programs posted on the Union of Concerned Scientists Web site. In its own test, the U.S. military knocked a satellite out of orbit in 1985.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

[Brendan]

"A National Security Council official says that some of the debris could involve hazardous materials. The satellite is not nuclear-powered so there should be no risk from radioactive materials, although some spacecraft do carry tiny plutonium-powered heaters, but these would not pose a debris hazard."

"Falling Radar Satellite Adds to NRO Troubles":

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw020408p2.xml&headline=Falling%20Radar%20Satellite%20Adds%20to%20NRO%20Troubles

There could be plutonium on board! How stupid can humans be? Every time we launch plutonium into space, we risk releasing it into the atmosphere. Its already happened. Given the 10% failure rate of rockets, launching plutonium into space is like a game of russian roulette.

Now we're going to shoot down a satellite that has nuclear material on board.

[Brendan]

"Stratcom: The Gun That's Still Loaded":



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8226512712257119119

[UpsetBrit]

Is there any chance of nuclear material being on this satellite? In that documentary Arsenal of Hypocrisy it says that only 1lb of plutonium is needed to give the entire human population a lethal dose when detonated in the atmosphere.

[rawiron1]

EnviroMENTAList will complain that the ASAT shot will pollute the air with its fuel contributing to green house gasses.  They'd rather have the satelite crash in a forest and burn the whole forest down killing tons of animals.

Jason

[trixi1]

Thoughts crossed my mind that I believe they would shoot to destroy it so others couldn't find out all the operational and physical aspects of the thing and what they've used it for.

The other is to show that 'they control space' and no one else has the right to be there and they can take you out 'like that' with a push of a button.

[hellcatjr]

Thoughts crossed my mind that I believe they would shoot to destroy it so others couldn't find out all the operational and physical aspects of the thing and what they've used it for.

The other is to show that 'they control space' and no one else has the right to be there and they can take you out 'like that' with a push of a button.

But both Russia AND China have accomplished that task, so it's really just a fart in the wind?

[Brendan]

We are a safer world with missile defense than without it.

Bullshit.

Source: http://www.missiledefenseadvocacy.org/news/article.php?cat=general&articleid=1015

02/15/2008

Out of Space
By: Riki Ellison


Dear Members and Friends,

The Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General James Cartwright, announced that the Aegis Sea-Based Missile Defense system will be used to intercept a falling U.S. satellite containing toxic rocket fuel in order to reduce the risk of harm to human life as well as to manmade platforms in space, in the air and on earth.

The capability, the adaptability, the investment and the proven technology of our country's missile defense systems has given our nation and our military an option which it never had before to protect human life globally from falling objects from space.

The current threat of a 5,000 pound National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) satellite carrying over 1,000 pounds of Hydrazine gas tumbling down through the atmosphere could be negated by the use of any of the current missile defense systems. All of the deployed missile defense systems, with the exception of Patriot, have successfully intercepted fast moving small objects in space. Since the United States' decision to deploy missile defense in December of 2002, there have been 16 successful intercepts in space by three different missile defense systems.

The deployed U.S. Aegis ships, equipped with missile defense capability, offer self contained tracking and discrimination and hold numerous Standard Missile-3s in their berths for multiple shots if required to add redundancy and further reduce the risk. This sea-based system has repeated successes destroying very fast warheads around six feet long and between 1,000 and 2,000 pounds in space (link to testing statistics). The most recent successes were by the Japanese Aegis Ship Kongo on December 17, 2007 and the United States Aegis cruiser Lake Erie (CG 70) on November 6, 2007.

In addition to reducing risk to human life globally, the potential kinetic energy intercept of a tumbling, uncontrolled NRO satellite by the Aegis ship's Standard Missile-3 provides a real use military operational case that, in addition to reducing risk to human life, can enhance the current operational development of the SM-3 and its Aegis System. A typical Aegis Missile Defense test costs the Department of Defense around $40 million.

We endorse the flexible use of this remarkable capability and clearly see the return on investment of missile defense for the American taxpayer and Congress.

Our country's investment and leadership internationally in Missile Defense provides global options that make our world a safer place.

We are a safer world with missile defense than without it.

Out of Space,

Riki Ellison

President and Founder
Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance

Source: http://www.missiledefenseadvocacy.org/news/article.php?cat=general&articleid=1015

[Brendan]

White House 'strongly influenced' satellite shoot-down plan

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Satellite_shootdown_plan_provokes_international_concern_0215.html

Satellite shoot-down plan provokes concern from Russia
-- Michael Roston
Published: Friday February 15, 2008

US government officials formally briefed the international press on Thursday regarding their plans
to use a missile defense interceptor to shoot down a bus-sized spy satellite that will re-enter Earth's
atmosphere in the next week. And the plan is already provoking concern in the Russian Federation.

Officials from the White House, the Pentagon, and NASA formally announced the plan to shoot down the satellite sometime in the next week by launching a missile interceptor from one of the Navy's Aegis
cruisers. The three officials insisted that their efforts to inform foreign governments of the plan demonstrated that this operation was being conducted for the purposes of safety, and not to demonstrate an anti-satellite weapon capability.

"What we're doing today is to reach out to the various U.N. organizations, the U.N. headquarters itself and essentially the entire international community, through capitals, to let them know more details about the satellite coming down, and about our plan to intercept it," said James Jeffrey, the Deputy National Security Adviser, in a Thursday press conference.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4145

"And, of course, these countries may or may not have comments. They may or may not have supportive statements, and we'll see."

The Russian Federation seems to be the first government to sound off on the mission. A report in RIA Novosti, a government-linked news service, (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080215/99347040.html) showed Russian authorities not only worrying about the implications of the launch, but questioning the publicly stated justification of preventing poisonous rocket fuel from raining down on the planet.

"Igor Barinov, first deputy chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, also expressed concern that the U.S. had made a unilateral decision to destroy the satellite," the government-linked news agency said on Friday. "He said that decisions, which could jeopardize collective security, 'should be made taking into account all parties concerned and all countries involved in space research.'"

Barinov also said he was informed by, "Russian military experts," that "the satellite could have an
on board nuclear power source."

While the Thursday press briefing also sought to present a united governmental front on the planned satellite strike, other news reports seemed to hint that the order to go forward with the operation came from the top.

"Two defence officials also cited disagreement within the administration over the action and said the decision appeared to have been strongly influenced by the White House," according to a Friday morning report from Reuters
http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKN1447206620080215

Concerns within the government may result from the debris that will be created by the strike, and what it could do to satellites, the International Space Station, and future work in space.

The government briefers took pains in the press conference to offer assurances that little debris would remain in space from the satellite shot, saying that, "what we're attempting to do here is to intercept this just prior to it hitting the Earth's atmosphere...It reduces the amount of debris that would be in space."

But one expert on the weaponization of space questioned the safety of the plan.

"Some of the debris will remain in orbit," wrote Jeffrey Lewis of the New America Foundation at his blog Arms Control Wonk.
(http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1795/the-shot)
"There would be only a 1 in 1000 chance of wiping out the [International Space Station]. Great."

And the debris-related risks posed by the operation may reinforce concerns that the real purpose of the test is to demonstrate the offensive anti-satellite capability possessed by the United States.

"Bush administration defense and national security officials involved in interagency discussions on the satellite destruction plan said one reason for using the missile defense system against a space target would be to highlight its potential as an ASAT weapon," reported the Washington Times' Bill Gertz. (http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080215/NATION/190574197/0/SPORTS)

"The Pentagon has been discussing ways to deter and counter China's ASAT weapon, which can threaten U.S. military and civilian communications, especially command and control systems involving satellites."

China, which shot down an aging weather satellite in orbit in Jan. 2007, has been notably quiet so far regarding the US plan. A news report at the official Xinhua News Agency (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/15/content_7605783.htm) described the operation in a matter of fact way, and offered no comment from Chinese government officials.

After coming under heavy US criticism for the Jan. 2007 shot, the Chinese have insisted they did nothing wrong.

"The recent test conducted by China in outer space was not directed against any country," said Premier Wen Jiaobao in March 2007. (http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx/t304313.htm)

It did not pose a threat to anyone, nor did it violate the relevant international treaties. China stands for the peaceful use of outer space and opposes arms race in outer space."

China and Russia have both continued to call for a treaty outlawing the use of weapons in space, which the US has opposed. And as the Boston Globe noted Friday, the two countries reiterated their calls for a treaty banning the weaponization of space days before the Pentagon operation was announced

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/02/15/broken_satellite_will_be_shot_down/?page=1

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/02/15/broken_satellite_will_be_shot_down/?page=2

[rphope]

MSM & Alt Media information overload leading up to the planned attempt at spy satellite destruction.  

I don't want to be an alarmast but I have been following this story closely and everyday more alarming info has been leaked from goverment sources all over the world about this errant satellite and the US government plan to shoot it down. Tonight I read that FEMA is planning a large scale response should the shootdown fail.

Here is what we know about this situation to date:

The satellite in question is names US 193 and when it launched late 2006 it was never operational, dead on arrival to orbit.
The US Government has been aware of this situation since 2006.
The Russians are very concerned about this shootdown plan.
The satellite contains 1 half ton (approx 1,000 lbs) of liguid Hydrozine that was never spent, and is most likely frozen. The fact it is frozen means it will most probably survive reentry as a toxic slush and disperse over a wide area. The official line from NASA is that the toxic slush would only affect an area the size of 2 football fields. However once on the ground it can evaporate into a toxic cloud.
JUST SAW THAT THE TANK IS LINED WITH BERYLLIUM!!!! Radioactive material.
The US will attempt a shoot down within the next 2 days and anytime next week before the window of oppurtunity closes.
The track of the satellite in 2 days brings it over the North American mainland every 2 hours!!!!
Now the AP has "obtained" an internal memo from FEMA detailing that it has placed six rescue teams across the country to be prepared to act if the satellite hits the United States.

Some backup:

FEMA mentioned in this article tonight:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23189604/
"It's a bit of an imprecise science at this point," Ham said.

With an eye to the possibility that the missile effort will fail, the government has placed six rescue teams across the country to be prepared to act if the satellite hits the United States, according to a Federal Emergency Management Agency memo dated Feb. 14 and obtained by The Associated Press.

The spacecraft contains 1,000 pounds of hydrazine in a tank that is expected to survive re-entry and a fuel tank liner made of beryllium.

FEMA has prepared a guide for emergency responders that includes information about hydrazine and beryllium. The agency warns officials not to pick up any debris or provide mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to anyone who has inhaled hydrazine or beryllium.


So I am not liking the direction this story is moving. Anytime I see FEMA reaction teams it makes me very nervous these days.



THIS IS THE CURRENT LOCATION AND TRACK OF THE SATELLITE. REFRESH TO UPDATE.

This site is not working any longer. But you can try http://www.n2yo.com/?s=29651

[rphope]

links to other important posts on PP forums concerning this.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=26984.0
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=26868.0

[Dig]

Beryllium   
Hazard Recognition
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/beryllium/recognition.html
About 1-15% of all people occupationally-exposed to beryllium in air become sensitive to beryllium and may develop chronic beryllium disease (CBD), an irreversible and sometimes fatal scarring of the lungs [More...] Occupational exposure most often occurs in mining, extraction, and in the processing of alloy metals containing beryllium. The adverse health effects of beryllium exposure are caused by the body's immune system reacting with the metal, resulting in an allergic-type response. The following references aid in recognizing hazards and health effects associated with beryllium.
Public Health Statement for Beryllium. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), (2002, September). Provides exposure risks, exposure limits, and health effects of exposure to beryllium.
ToxFAQs - Beryllium. (2002, September). Answers the most frequently asked health questions about beryllium.
Chronic Beryllium Disease Prevention Program. US Department of Energy (DOE), (1999, December . Provides links to DOE policies, guidance, and training regarding beryllium.
Preventing Adverse Health Effects from Exposure to Beryllium on the Job. OSHA Hazard Information Bulletin (HIB), (1999, September 2). Alerts employees working with beryllium about the hazards associated with their work. OSHA has recent information suggesting that the current permissible exposure limit (PEL) for beryllium in the workplace may not be adequate to prevent the occurrence of chronic beryllium disease (CBD) among exposed workers.
Beryllium Associated Workers - Other. Fermilab Environmental Safety and Health (ES&H). References Fermilab's ES&H manual and links to other beryllium related information.
Beryllium. National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) Safety and Health Topic. Provides links to sources of information on a variety of topics relating to beryllium.
NIOSH Criteria Document for Beryllium. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), (1977, August 19), 530 KB PDF, 9 pages. Testimony to the US Department of Labor (DOL) on the effects of occupational exposure to beryllium and results of studies conducted by NIOSH.
Health Effects
Facts About Beryllium Disease. National Jewish Medical and Research Center, (1997). Describes the health effects of beryllium. 
"Environmental Health Perspectives Supplements." Environmental Health Perspectives 104.S5(1996, October). Provides additional articles on the health issues associated with beryllium disease and sensitivity.
Chronic Beryllium Disease (CBD)
Chronic beryllium disease (CBD) occurs when people inhale beryllium dust or fume and can take anywhere from a few months to 30 years to develop. CBD is caused by an immune system reaction to beryllium metal, with symptoms such as persistent coughing, difficulty breathing upon physical exertion, fatigue, chest and joint pain, weight loss, and fevers.
Middleton, D.C. "Chronic beryllium disease: uncommon disease, less common diagnosis." Environmental Health Perspectives 106.12(1998). Discusses methods to diagnose chronic beryllium disease (CBD).
Newman, L.S., et al. "The Natural History of Beryllium Sensitization and Chronic Beryllium Disease." Environmental Health Perspectives 104.S5(1996). Reviews what was known about the natural history of clinical chronic beryllium disease (CBD) in the era that preceded the use of immunologic markers, review data from recent studies of patients with beryllium sensitization and early disease, and summarize the methodology being used in ongoing longitudinal studies designed to address some of the questions listed above.
Acute Beryllium Disease (ABD)
Acute beryllium disease (ABD) rarely occurs in modern industry due to improved industrial protective measures designed to reduce exposure levels. ABD is caused by breathing in relatively high concentrations of beryllium in dust and metal fumes (>100 µg/m3). High level exposures may lead to death or respiratory illness similar to pneumonia or bronchitis. Symptoms associated with ABD include difficulty breathing, cough, and chest pain. These symptoms occur much more rapidly than those associated with chronic beryllium disease (CBD).
Lang, L. "Beryllium: A Chronic Problem." Environmental Health Perspectives 102.6-7(1994). Reviews the causes of acute beryllium disease (ABD).
Lung Cancer
Beryllium and beryllium compounds are known to be human carcinogens according to the most recent Report on Carcinogens (RoC). US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public Health Services, National Toxicology Program (NTP). Provides a table of contents with links to sections of the report.
Beryllium and Beryllium Compounds. 147 KB PDF, 3 pages. Explains the carcinogenicity, properties, use, production, exposure, and regulations regarding beryllium.

[Dig]

"Misfire by US causes 10 nukes to fire at US.  Part of computer malfunction.

FEMA dispursed to assist the small number of survivors."

WTF?

Is there anyone with a brain left in this fricking government?

[rphope]

some distrubing quotes from the AP article:

To kick off the planning, the government assembled a high-security team of about 200 people — Navy scientists and missile defense experts, plus representatives of defense contractors Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, as well as scientists from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. Lockheed is the manufacturer of the Aegis system and Raytheon makes the SM-3 missile. What a team. For a little satellite the size of a bus?

Publicly, officials have expressed confidence that they will succeed in the intercept. Privately, some say there is a rising sense of anxiety, although the consequences of failure are not what they would be in war; if the missile misses, the bus-sized satellite will tumble to Earth on its own, with very small odds that the on-board tank of hydrazine — a toxic fuel — will harm any humans. Getting us ready?

[Dig]

OMFG, is it a satelite nuke or something?

Are they going to say it is a rougue nuke?  is that why Bush is going to Africa?

Why is it even hiting land? 

Isn't most of the planet water?

why would it hit the US? 

that must be like less than 2% of the earth.

This is like winning at roulette?

Is any of this shit believable?

[rphope]

News is moving fast.

US Satellite Could Be Nuclear, Pundit MP Tells Russian TV

http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1256364/us_satellite_could_be_nuclear_pundit_mp_tells_russian_tv/

"The unprecedented decision to shoot down the spy satellite that is on its way down was taken by the supreme commander- in-chief, US President George Bush, personally. Despite the fact that the issue of technology is not one of the US leader's strong points, the military was able to find arguments anyone would understand. Precisely what they are is for the moment unclear."

Lets not forget BUSH LEFT THE COUNTRY. HE IS IN AFRICA.

[Dig]

It could be part of a false flag nuke attack, where the f**k is this thing?

[rphope]

WTF!!!! it's all over the web about all of these emergency plans.

Look at this

NASA Readies Backup Shuttle Runway to Aid Spy Satellite Shot

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/080215-sts122-backup-landing-site.html

[thrashbassist]

WHERE is Cheney, Rice, and crew? If they're out of the country, we know something's up.

[thrashbassist]

Also, WHERE are the Rockefeller's?

[Dig]

guys, everything is monitered for chatter.  I had an idea, but may be far fetched. 

Anyway here it is if you want to play along...

search the following in every search engine you can think of till they know that we know:

"spy satellite shoot down part of false flag FEMA nuke attack"

maybe then if they were planning it they can abort

if they were not, what was the cost?

anyway up to you guys, could be a long shot, but it smell like shit!

[Jackson Holly]

Sane:

http://www.n2yo.com/?s=29651

... here's the tracking link ... it timed out for me.

[rphope]

See the Falling Spy Satellite

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/080215-sts122-backup-landing-site.html

Look at this:

Today through Feb. 22, USA 193 will make a number of evening passes over North America and western Europe. It's orbit is inclined 58.5-degrees to the equator, a setup that makes it readily observable from most of the Northern Hemisphere.

During this period, USA 193 will move along a general southwest-to-northeast trajectory and pass over a number of cities in the United States, southern Canada and western Europe.
To spot a specific satellite, you need to know when and where to look.

Predictions for the times and locations of USA 193 are available at the Heavens Above website (www.heavens-above.com). Based on this website's sighting information, USA 193 will be very favorably placed for observation over a number of large cities, assuming it is still in orbit around the Earth and weather conditions permit.

From Chicago, as an example, the spy satellite is predicted to reach as high as 38-degrees above the horizon (nearly four fists) on Feb. 17. That same date, as seen from Orlando, Florida, an evening pass as high as 65-degrees is predicted.

From Boston and Seattle, nearly overhead passes are forecast for (respectively) Feb.18 and Feb. 22. And on the latter date, London, England should have a fine pass, with USA 193 arcing as high as 77-degrees above the horizon.

It should be stressed that because of the rapidly changing nature of its orbit, sighting information from Heavens-Above should be checked frequently.

[Dig]

ALERT: FOREIGN ENVOYS ON NOTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


U.S. Makes Case About Satellite To Foreign Envoys
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021503249.html



By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 16, 2008; Page A02

The State Department sent cables to all embassies yesterday instructing diplomats to explain to foreign governments how the upcoming attempt to shoot down an out-of-control spy satellite is different from China's destruction of one of its orbiting satellites early last year.

"This particular action is different than any actions that, for example, the Chinese may have taken in testing an anti-satellite weapon," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters. "The missions are quite different, and the technical aspects of the missions are quite different."

The administration is sensitive to international concerns that the United States might be moving toward beefing up its anti-satellite weapons or developing an offensive anti-satellite system, and the diplomatic message is an attempt to convince foreign countries that they need not worry. Unlike the Chinese anti-satellite test, the cable said, the U.S. attempt to destroy the potentially dangerous satellite is being done for peaceful reasons and in a transparent way.

"Our role is to reassure nations around the world as to the nature of what we are trying to do," McCormack said. "It's an attempt to try to protect populations on the ground."

National security and military officials said Thursday that the Navy would try to shoot down the malfunctioning satellite as it begins to reenter Earth's atmosphere -- as early as next week. They said President Bush ordered the action because the satellite is carrying 1,000 pounds of frozen hydrazine fuel, which could be harmful if it falls to Earth and a person came into contact with it.

The announcement came at a somewhat awkward time, because earlier in the week Russia and China had put forward a proposal at a 65-member United Nations Disarmament Conference to ban the development of weapons in space. The proposal would not necessarily prohibit the United States, or any nation, from shooting down satellites from the ground, but it does forbid development of offensive weapons based in space. The United States has been in a small minority opposing similar treaty proposals.

Theresa Hitchens, director of the Center for Defense Information, said the administration's plans to shoot down the satellite -- using a missile that is part of the missile defense program -- will inevitably be interpreted by some as a test of an anti-satellite system.

"I don't believe our missile defense was developed as a secret offensive system, but this plan [to shoot down the satellite] shows the technology can go either way," Hitchens said. "We've given the Chinese and the Russians more cause for concern, and there could be very unfortunate consequences."

John Tkacik, a China specialist at the Heritage Foundation, agreed that the satellite shoot-down will be seen by Chinese and Russian leaders as further indication that the United States intends to develop its abilities to intercept incoming ballistic missiles that travel through the atmosphere and briefly through space.

"I don't think the U.S. is in fact sending that message, but I'm certain the Chinese will think so," Tkacik said. He also said he wishes the administration were more serious about expanding the missile defense system into space.

David Wright, a senior scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said the Navy has no better than a 50 percent chance of hitting its target. He also said he is concerned that a successful strike could push debris further into space and harm spacecraft in low orbit.

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NSA, FBI, CIA, OFFICE OF RECONNASAINCE

DON'T YOU THINK IT IS ABOUT TIME?

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Sane:

http://www.n2yo.com/?s=29651

... here's the tracking link ... it timed out for me.

I can't even get it. I use firefox and it keeps telling the connection was reset.

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guys, everything is monitered for chatter.  I had an idea, but may be far fetched. 

Anyway here it is if you want to play along...

search the following in every search engine you can think of till they know that we know:

"spy satellite shoot down part of false flag FEMA nuke attack"

maybe then if they were planning it they can abort

if they were not, what was the cost?

anyway up to you guys, could be a long shot, but it smell like shit!

I'll do it sane. It can't hurt. Much much plannign went into all of this. Important obvservation is that the US government knew about this since December 2006. If that is the case then why all the panic. I think it is all planned.

Still wondering where that missing Nuke went too...

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I can't even get it. I use firefox and it keeps telling the connection was reset.

Try this

http://www.heavens-above.com/

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are any other forums talking about this?

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http://www.heavens-above.com/usa193.aspx?lat=40.714&lng=-74.006&loc=New+York&alt=2&tz=EST

Direct link, I am in NY - you can change your location accordingly

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I think this picture auto-updates.

but how would we know?

is there any truther site with a telescope system?

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THIS IS THE CURRENT LOCATION AND TRACK OF THE SATELLITE. REFRESH TO UPDATE.

This site is not working any longer. But you can try http://www.n2yo.com/?s=29651

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I think this picture auto-updates.

but how would we know?

is there any truther site with a telescope system?

I think this is the ISS.

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This out of Italy

US SATELLITE: MARCH 6 IMPACT-DAY IF NOT DESTROYED
http://www.agi.it/world/news/200802151832-cro-ren0084-art.html

(AGI) - Geneva, Feb. 15 - The Pentagon wants to destroy the spy satellite that went out of control, if the operation is not successful the device will enter the atmosphere on March 6.
  This was announced by Christina Rocca, U.S. ambassador at the permanent Conference on Disarmament in Geneva, specifying that the satellite will come down between "58.5 degrees north and 58.5 degrees south in latitude". This covers half the planet, from the European border with Russia to the part of the Pacific Ocean between New Zealand and the Antarctic, including China, India and Australia. Rocca explained that if the USA don't succeed in destroying the device, Washington is ready to "offer assistance to all (involved) governments to reduce the consequences of the impact". President George W. Bush yesterday ordered the destruction of the spy satellite "L-21" using a missile launched from a battle cruiser of the U.S. Navy.
  "L-21", launched in December 2006, went out of control immediately after launch. It is the size of a small bus and weighs 9 tonnes, it still contains a consistent quantity of hydrazine, a highly toxic fuel, which could also explode on impact.

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Bush meets Saudi FM at White House

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j4gGOxrmqReI0p8_wx_CnoiAcyCA

How come this is being kept so quite?