Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?

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Offline CaptObvious1234

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Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« on: March 18, 2015, 03:26:22 PM »
Many people view Vladimir Putin as the most influential man in Russia. But in reality he represents the clan or organisation that controls goverment from shadows.

Real goverment(in all independent countries) if it wants to survive it has to hide - nobody must know who are they otherwise they are easily dealth with. Its must be a groupe of the most  richest, talanted, strong willed, lethal, cunning, ruthless, wise individuals, because constantly they must bribe, kill, scare, outsmart opposition that pose danger to their ruling which is lunched at them by other governments that are equal or stronger then they are.

So lets return to Vladimir Putin. He is mortal and not kryptonia who can control politicians, oligarhs, criminals and opposition in his goverment along with spies, killers and terrorists that are invading his country at peaceful times. This kind of task requires organisation. Putin is part of this organisation or real goverment and his role in it is:

Be a good actor to lie to the public and present himself as a very influential leader to his own people and the rest of the worlds simple folks.

Be a scapegoat that will take the blame for fails of real/shadow government decisions.

In conclusion you can clearly see that its impossible for Mr. Putin have any real influence as he is just a representative of russias elite. He is a part of huge organisation/government/clan.


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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2015, 10:41:31 AM »
P.S. I doubt that humanity had democracy at all. First it was open monarchy, with royal family governing.  Now its elite/"royal family" from "underground" showing its peasants democracy fairytale.

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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 02:18:36 AM »
Thanks God, yes.  8)

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Offline regmeok

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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 06:45:20 AM »
. He is a part of huge organisation/government/clan.

not a shoker. the bigger issue is whether Russia has its own clan. 1917 destroyed royalty,  destroyed european educated citizens (who represented the nation, the society),  riped off people's property and capital, blocked any russian people independent cooperation for almost 100 years...and much more... the point is - it is likely that Russia has no elite, just managers/establishment who either ignore russians or do not like them (and whose real estate, bank accounts and children are somewhere in London...or EU...rarely in US).

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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 11:55:33 AM »
not a shoker. the bigger issue is whether Russia has its own clan. 1917 destroyed royalty,  destroyed european educated citizens (who represented the nation, the society),  riped off people's property and capital, blocked any russian people independent cooperation for almost 100 years...and much more... the point is - it is likely that Russia has no elite, just managers/establishment who either ignore russians or do not like them (and whose real estate, bank accounts and children are somewhere in London...or EU...rarely in US).

Very Interesting.  :)

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Old money being destroyed by New money

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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 03:20:36 PM »
Very Interesting.  :)
basically there are 2 schools of thought
(a)Russia has no elites and it is UK (energy sectors) +US (central bank, ministry of economics) (crypto)colony (this idea of dual control  is usually applied to France and Italy, but not to Germany and Japan )
(b)Russia has no elites and it is UK and EU (crypto)colony (for example despite the sanctions EU assists greatly with RF army reforming via supplying technologies and manufacturing machinery) other frequently used wordings with regard to (b) are 'european spear', 'askari supplier' and 'british nuclear platform' 

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In england the old elite has been under constant attack by the new elite.
Old money being destroyed by New money
not sure what exactly did u refer to and how would you elucidate that further...
but i believe there is only one old elite (lets say 100 partially interrelated families which only multiply its assets in comparison to 'new money' (Nouveau riche?) who usually loose assets in 2-3 generations or who may well be a front man, walking wallet. (somebody like Mittal or maybe Soros)

not saying that there cannot be a battle within the elite but it is more likely that we would have no chance to see it until some dramatic or significant results would become apparent (if any). but a battle within the establishment fractions (say next 101-10000 families including some known to the public political dynasties like Bushes, Clintons) would more likely be shown to public 

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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2017, 05:51:59 AM »
Both countries used to have a wealthy aristocracy whose wealth was based on Land Ownership.

Russia had a violent revolution and got rid of its aristocracy
Britian had a soft revolution and bankrupted its aristocracy

The bankers, industrialists ( new money )
The Aristocracy, land owners, ( old money )


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Re: Does Vladimir Putin is the most influential man in Russia?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2017, 12:09:34 PM »
 
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Britian had a soft revolution and bankrupted its aristocracy
did u mean 17century events? too far ago. as for me those who was representing a 'new money' in 17c looks like 'old money' holder in 19-20c if it managed to expand its assets through generations. marriages, elite colleges and gentlemen clubs and other societies* will do the rest (meaning integration into 'elite'/'shareholders'** due to creation of and participation in some sort of power 'knots' which alltogether create the invisible core behind the government institutes*** and public officials... ). plus another issue is whether the old land-based aristocracy did lose its cash instead of  investing it into industrial sphere or banking business.****

*afaik british intelligence service was an offshoot of one of the private clubs... and access to information is a ticket to some higher circles. (in case you are not already there)

**one theory on power states that either you manage resources (thus you have no time to manage people and, thus, you have not time/ability to create 'knots' with tree of fiduciary vassal relationships) or you manage people (and not the resources). so people with cash (or property) on their hands might be 'knights' in fact. plus there is a thought that at some point (at some cash amount) the ownership of wealth become 'collective' 

***some even speculates that the britain itself was an offshoot of ost-indian trade company and/or venice and holland capital which transformed that territories to something reminding a country with governmental institutions somewhere in late 16 early 17c (perhaps starting with william orange) ... goes without saying that this kind of people suggest that history before books printing era is smth like a 'war legend' manufactured much later with no regard to the reality. simply and roughly speaking their view of the world is ... 1st was 'italy'(venice, genua) -> then civilisation/colonisation goes to 'spain', 'france' -> 'portugal', 'holland' -> then to 'britain' and 'germany' -> then 'poland','russia', 'sweden'... and most of these countries started to write their 'war legends' only in the time of creation  of nation-states (with mass armies and logistics) which is 17 century ( basically they all pursue the same goals - to state that i.we(nation/state) are old and united (when factually a century ago your territories might have had a hundreds of mini-states/feuds), ii. and located with particular territory (so you basically claim the land) iii. and our king and royal dynasties are ancient enough iv. if we were separated or lost population that is because of some wars etc. (for example to legend russian history we use 'vikings' and 'mongols'. the 'mongols' legend was later used for some asian lands colonisation purposes. not that uncommon practice)

**** for example i found an article on some italy aristocracy. where it was implied that the modern richest families are almost the same as they were in 1400...

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