Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2017, 12:13:19 AM »
If you're saying it's more likely than not that fire (as opposed to preplanted explosives) brought down WTC 7, then as far as I'm concerned you've just lost all credibility on the issue, and are therefore worth neither the time nor energy it takes to argue with.

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The stand down order is still in effect, why, did you hear anything to the contrary?
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2017, 04:08:37 AM »
The stand down order is still in effect, why, did you hear anything to the contrary?

The stand down order pertained to the hijacked airplanes. WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane.

That (it would seem) is why one almost never hears about WTC 7 anymore.

As a general rule, if it can't be blamed on hijacked airplanes, and hence on the stand down order (LIHOP), the 9/11 half-truth movement wants to sweep it under the rug and say: "Move along, nothing to see here."
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2017, 09:34:39 AM »
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2017, 09:51:45 AM »
The stand down order pertained to the hijacked airplanes. WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane.

That (it would seem) is why one almost never hears about WTC 7 anymore.

As a general rule, if it can't be blamed on hijacked airplanes, and hence on the stand down order (LIHOP), the 9/11 half-truth movement wants to sweep it under the rug and say: "Move along, nothing to see here."


I meant that tongue in cheek about your standing down.

And although the stand down order was LIHOP subsection it was under the umbrella of a MIHOP operation.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2017, 11:07:26 AM »
I meant that tongue in cheek about your standing down.

I figured that was the case, but thought I'd make that general point about LIHOP anyway.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2017, 12:37:53 PM »
Yeah right next to Column 79.

I think it was column 78 in this building... must by why it didn't collapse into its own footprint...

Chechnya High Rise Burns For 29 Hours With No Collapse, WTC 7?
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2017, 03:10:39 PM »
I think it was column 78 in this building... must by why it didn't collapse into its own footprint...

Chechnya High Rise Burns For 29 Hours With No Collapse, WTC 7?
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/chechnya-high-rise-burns-for-29-hours.html

Circumstantial.  ;)

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2017, 10:14:08 AM »
LIHOPING Half Truther just trying to help.....

What plane was supposed to hit this building?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MgJTa7SDaY

So how to incorporate this into your wtc 7 conspiracy theory?

Well...how about......"The dastardly Jewish bankers used their CD expertise to bring down this building in revenge for the execution of the Jew who built it"  ?......

Executed by firing squad as a "Zionist spy" in 1979, Jewish businessman Habib Elghanian was the builder of Tehran's iconic Plasco building that went up in flames on Thursday.
http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/1.766106

What do the "Real" "Full" MIHOP Truthers AE911Truth have to say? (as oppossed to the "Fake" "half" LIHOP truthers)

Let us be clear: It is impossible to know at this early stage what caused the structure to
suddenly come crashing down. But, as with any proper forensic investigation, no plausible
scenario should be ruled out—especially when the available data seem to support that scenario.
Here, six separate videos we have compiled show what appear to be—and in some cases
sound like—explosions emanating from the tower in sequential patterns as it began to crumble.

The building’s tumultuous fall is then accompanied by thick, energetic, rapidly forming plumes
that are reminiscent of what we see in controlled demolitions.

Further, the BBC reported that the fires were nearly extinguished—and that emergency
personnel and occupants had begun reentering the building—when the collapse unexpectedly
occurred. Indeed, videos display very few flames and a thick black smoke—signs of a lowtemperature,
oxygen-starved fire. Moreover, the inferno was limited to the upper floors, yet the
entire 17 stories came down in just a few seconds.

We at AE911Truth are all too familiar with events in which a prematurely formed narrative
makes it harder to subsequently ascertain what truly happened. We therefore adamantly caution
against rushing to any conclusions as investigators work to uncover the truth surrounding this
national tragedy in Iran.

Should the Plasco Building collapse be found to have been caused by pre-placed explosives,
sadly it will not be the first time that explosives were used to bring down a burning high-rise
while people were still inside.

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/PDFs/AE911Truth_Press_Release_Plasco_Building_Collapse_01_20_2017_v2.pdf

Sound familiar?

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Tehran Plasco Building Collapse compilation: Explosives Must Be Investigated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MgJTa7SDaY&feature=youtu.be

The big challenge for this conspiracy theory would be to explain why the Iranian Government(Scary brown people)are protecting the Jewish Banker CD Experts that blew up their building....

Authorities described the building, built more than five decades ago, as having a weak structure. Thursday's fire was the worst in Tehran since a 2005 blaze at a historic mosque killed 59 worshippers and injured nearly 200 others.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4142622/Rescue-teams-pull-2-bodies-Iran-building-rubble.html
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2017, 11:37:43 AM »
Date ?

9/11
1/19

Coincidence - AGAIN !
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2017, 12:23:28 PM »
LIHOPING Half Truther just trying to help.....

What plane was supposed to hit this building?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MgJTa7SDaY

So how to incorporate this into your wtc 7 conspiracy theory?

Well...how about......"The dastardly Jewish bankers used their CD expertise to bring down this building in revenge for the execution of the Jew who built it"......

....


The Plasco building and WTC seem to be of very different constructions and size.

WTC7 was 47 storey internally steel framed, and the framing was quite complex for various reasons which people here probably know. It wasn't considered to be weak and was not uninsurable because of its weak structure.

The full construction specs are proving difficult to locate for the Plasco building, but from the imagery and reports it was 17 storeys high and had a steel frame of sorts on the outside, but it looks like only on two sides, and the main structure of the building looks like it is concrete and/or steel reinforced concrete. The building was considered weak and uninsurable because the lack of required safety standards.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-building-idUSKBN1530YP

So the two events are not comparable.

Just so we know Jimd3100, is it your position that WTC7 collapsed due to fire?


Date ?

9/11
1/19

Coincidence - AGAIN !

This, along with the zionist connections of the building's designer, is far too delicious..

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2017, 05:28:28 PM »
MIHOPing "conspiracy theorist" here just trying to help...

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/09/15-years-later-physics-journal-concludes-3-wtc-towers-collapsed-due-controlled-demolition.html

15 Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due To Controlled Demolition

Jay Syrmopoulos
Activist Post
September 12, 2016

Over the past 15 years many highly respected academics and experts have come forward to challenge the official narrative on the collapse of the WTC towers forwarded by the U.S. government. The official government position holds that the collapse of all three towers was due to intense heat inside of the buildings.

But a new forensic investigation into the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers on 9/11, published in Europhysics News – a highly respected European physics magazine – claims that “the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition.”

While many in the mainstream have attempted to label anyone questioning the official narrative as a “tin foil hat” conspiracy theorist, many highly respected experts have come forward to lampoon the idea that the buildings collapsed due to the intense heat and fires following two terrorist-directed plane crashes.

“Given the far-reaching implications, it is morally imperative that this hypothesis be the subject of a truly scientific and impartial investigation by responsible authorities,” the four physicists conclude in the damning report.

The new study is the work of Steven Jones, former full professor of physics at Brigham Young University, Robert Korol, a professor emeritus of civil engineering at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada, Anthony Szamboti, a mechanical design engineer with over 25 years of structural design experience in the aerospace and communications industries and Ted Walter, the director of strategy and development for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a nonprofit organization that today represents more than 2,500 architects and engineers.

The comprehensive study in Europhysics News directly challenges the official narrative and lends to a growing body of evidence that seriously questions the veracity of the government narrative.

In 2002, the National Institute of Standards and Technology remarked that the case was exceptionally bizarre. There were no other known cases of total structural collapses in high-rise buildings caused by fires and so it is deeply unusual that it should have happened three times in the space of one day, noted NIST.

Official investigations have never been able to thoroughly and coherently explain how this might have happened and various teams tasked with examining the collapse have raised difficult questions about the veracity of the government’s story.

Perhaps most damning of all, the experts claimed that after a thorough forensic analysis of video footage of the building’s collapse, it revealed signs of a controlled implosion. Additionally, Jones has co-authored a number of papers documenting evidence of unreacted nano-thermitic material in the WTC dust.

The authors of the study note that the buildings fell with such speed and symmetry that they there was no other feasible explanation for the sudden collapse at free-fall speeds – directly refuting studies that attempted to debunk the idea that the building fell without resistance. These respected experts’ new forensic analysis only adds to the growing movement of people calling for a new and impartial investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2017, 05:31:30 PM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/conspiracy-theory-foundations-of-a-weaponized-term/5319708

"Conspiracy Theory”: Foundations of a Weaponized Term

Subtle and Deceptive Tactics to Discredit Truth in Media and Research

By Prof. James F. Tracy
Global Research
January 22, 2013



“Conspiracy theory” is a term that at once strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain events off limits to inquiry or debate. Especially in the United States raising legitimate questions about dubious official narratives destined to inform public opinion (and thereby public policy) is a major thought crime that must be cauterized from the public psyche at all costs.

Conspiracy theory’s acutely negative connotations may be traced to liberal historian Richard Hofstadter’s well-known fusillades against the “New Right.” Yet it was the Central Intelligence Agency that likely played the greatest role in effectively “weaponizing” the term. In the groundswell of public skepticism toward the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the CIA sent a detailed directive to all of its bureaus. Titled “Countering Criticism of the Warren Commission Report,” the dispatch played a definitive role in making the “conspiracy theory” term a weapon to be wielded against almost any individual or group calling the government’s increasingly clandestine programs and activities into question.

This important memorandum and its broad implications for American politics and public discourse are detailed in a forthcoming book by Florida State University political scientist Lance de-Haven-Smith, Conspiracy Theory in America. Dr. de-Haven-Smith devised the state crimes against democracy concept to interpret and explain potential government complicity in events such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the major political assassinations of the 1960s, and 9/11.

CIA Document 1035-960” was released in response to a 1976 FOIA request by the New York Times. The directive is especially significant because it outlines the CIA’s concern regarding “the whole reputation of the American government” vis-à-vis the Warren Commission Report. The agency was especially interested in maintaining its own image and role as it “contributed information to the [Warren] investigation.”

The memorandum lays out a detailed series of actions and techniques for “countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries.” For example, approaching “friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors)” to remind them of the Warren Commission’s integrity and soundness should be prioritized. “[T]he charges of the critics are without serious foundation,” the document reads, and “further speculative discussion only plays in to the hands of the [Communist] opposition.”

The agency also directed its members “[t]o employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose.”

1035-960 further delineates specific techniques for countering “conspiratorial” arguments centering on the Warren Commission’s findings. Such responses and their coupling with the pejorative label have been routinely wheeled out in various guises by corporate media outlets, commentators and political leaders to this day against those demanding truth and accountability about momentous public events.

*  No significant new evidence has emerged which the [Warren] Commission did not consider.
*  Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others.
*  Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States.
*  Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it.
*  Oswald would not have been any sensible person’s choice for a co-conspirator.
*  Such vague accusations as that “more than ten people have died mysteriously” [during the Warren Commission’s inquiry] can always be explained in some natural way e.g.: the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes.

Today more so than ever news media personalities and commentators occupy powerful positions for initiating propaganda activities closely resembling those set out in 1035-960 against anyone who might question state-sanctioned narratives of controversial and poorly understood occurrences. Indeed, as the motives and methods encompassed in the document have become fully internalized by intellectual workers and operationalized through such media, the almost uniform public acceptance of official accounts concerning unresolved events such as the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building bombing, 9/11, and most recently the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, is largely guaranteed.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2017, 06:22:06 PM »
Just follow the news stories. The best 9/11 documentary IMHO

9/11 Core of Corruption - In the Shadows - 2009 (full length)
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2017, 01:11:32 AM »
Does this mean it's now politically correct to say Saudi Arabia did not "quarterback" 9/11?

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2017, 01:40:12 AM »
Does this mean it's now politically correct to say Saudi Arabia did not "quarterback" 9/11?



Yes.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2017, 06:03:19 AM »
EXCLUSIVE: BUSH OPERATIVES SABOTAGED TRUMP EFFORT TO MAKE RELEASE OF ’28 PAGES’ PART OF GOP PLATFORM - Trump insisted on making declassification of documents on Saudi involvement in 9/11 an official party pledge

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Whistleblower Philip Haney, retired DHS officer
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Imo, criminal elements of the us govt (deep state perhaps)were trying to hide massive crimes and those documents were in all of those buildings and they had to be destroyed.

However, there are ties between Saydis and the petrodollar deal. So that could be an issue since the petrodollar world reserve currency is now a problem.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2017, 06:20:53 AM »
Read this: Here's a "not so secret" 3 part analysis of what really happened on 911 which I think was released by the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI):

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